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Idaeus Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.10.06 15:36:00 - [61] Originally by: Patch86 Well its fairly clear cut. MC are involved in a POS spam war down south, and you're enabling them to take more POS's on to the front lines that, otherwise, would have been stranded. As you say, it's down south. It's a southern issue, and I doubt anyone up here really cares (in the immediate sense, I'm sure in the intellectual sense there is some caring). After all, the north* fought MC and friends, not BoB. And they're gone now. *And some of us shot everyone, because we're (to quote a Fallen Souls, now YouWhat pilot) pathetic lowsec (even if we spent 60% of the time in nullsec) pirates. IOI - Earned In Blood
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.06 16:45:00 - [62] Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 16:45:46 Originally by: dastommy79 Originally by: Orree Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Orree Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:31:12 Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:10:09 Originally by: Voculus Quote: Just in case any further confirmation is needed, yes, MC has been given blue standings so they can peacefully take down what few assets they have in the north. All that does is help BoB in the end. You're aware of that, aren't you? I disagree with you. Well its fairly clear cut. MC are involved in a POS spam war down south, and you're enabling them to take more POS's on to the front lines that, otherwise, would have been stranded. Not that I'm complaining either way, it being nothing to do with me. As you rightly say, thats not the only factor by which people make decisions. Okay..let me think about this. That must be because MC is strapped for cash to buy new towers AND NPCs stopped selling them, so there's a finite supply now...and...and...the easiest way to get more towers down south would be to go up to BRANCH, spend time un-anchoring them, transporting them from the top of the map to the bottom of the map and then put them up in Catch. I see what you mean now. I guess we all better be careful with the towers still in circulation, then. Are you guys gettin the towers at a discounted rate? not flame, serious question. Not that I'm personally aware of. To some of the other more recent posters in this thread...nice to see a little deeper thinking going on. Very nice. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.06 16:52:00 - [63] Originally by: Prophet Malcalypse3 Why shoot towers and burn diplomatic bridges with a mercenary force you may use in the future? good choice Northern thingies. Yeah, esp. when you use them vs. BoB in the future. Listen to the MC alt guys! isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
MrRx7 Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.06 16:52:00 - [64] Meh theres not much left too shoot, all their mining pos's in the north were either killed or stolen. Its not like I had a vendetta against MC, its just there is nothing else to do. and I really have no desire to fly 50 jumps to nearest hostiles.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.06 17:02:00 - [65] Originally by: Orree Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Orree Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:31:12 Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:10:09 Originally by: Voculus Quote: Just in case any further confirmation is needed, yes, MC has been given blue standings so they can peacefully take down what few assets they have in the north. All that does is help BoB in the end. You're aware of that, aren't you? I disagree with you. Well its fairly clear cut. MC are involved in a POS spam war down south, and you're enabling them to take more POS's on to the front lines that, otherwise, would have been stranded. Not that I'm complaining either way, it being nothing to do with me. As you rightly say, thats not the only factor by which people make decisions. Okay..let me think about this. That must be because MC is strapped for cash to buy new towers AND NPCs stopped selling them, so there's a finite supply now...and...and...the easiest way to get more towers down south would be to go up to BRANCH, spend time un-anchoring them, transporting them from the top of the map to the bottom of the map and then put them up in Catch. I see what you mean now. I guess we all better be careful with the towers still in circulation, then. They still cost money, and money is money. MC may be rich, but itd be downright ridiculous to imagine they're so blasT about that kind of money that it doesn't make a difference either way. If it was really that inconsequential, why would they even bother retrieving them? They're removing those towers because (like everyone) they'd rather not have that amount of cash go up in smoke needlessly. They're involved in a big POS war, and they're moving a rather large quantity of POS's from the north to their southern frontlines. It's not difficult to see how that is a (very sensible) strategic move. But again, I'm not exactly flaming you guys. You can do whatever you like; it's not your problem whats going on down south. You guys have other factors (not least of which fun, and the lack thereof involved in POS wars) to take in to consideration. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2007.10.06 17:02:00 - [66] Fact is; MC aren't currently contracted against the north, so there is no reason MC would commit forces up there. Not to mention the sheer lack of logistical thinking that would go into 'okay-ing' such a move. I, as well as every other EVE pilot is bored of pos wars, and wants some good 20v20 / 50v50 and some lag free fleet fights. Not grinding the reload button watching shield slowly drop on a 44m hp bar. Good choice MM. stop nuking my sig Kruel :P Nuffin but luv - Kreul
General StarScream Cybertronic Decepticons	Posted - 2007.10.06 17:39:00 - [67] Anyone whom support bob will die and suffer then die. then be forced to mine in high sec.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.06 18:21:00 - [68] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Orree Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Orree Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:31:12 Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:10:09 Originally by: Voculus Quote: Just in case any further confirmation is needed, yes, MC has been given blue standings so they can peacefully take down what few assets they have in the north. All that does is help BoB in the end. You're aware of that, aren't you? I disagree with you. Well its fairly clear cut. MC are involved in a POS spam war down south, and you're enabling them to take more POS's on to the front lines that, otherwise, would have been stranded. Not that I'm complaining either way, it being nothing to do with me. As you rightly say, thats not the only factor by which people make decisions. Okay..let me think about this. That must be because MC is strapped for cash to buy new towers AND NPCs stopped selling them, so there's a finite supply now...and...and...the easiest way to get more towers down south would be to go up to BRANCH, spend time un-anchoring them, transporting them from the top of the map to the bottom of the map and then put them up in Catch. I see what you mean now. I guess we all better be careful with the towers still in circulation, then. They still cost money, and money is money. MC may be rich, but itd be downright ridiculous to imagine they're so blasT about that kind of money that it doesn't make a difference either way. If it was really that inconsequential, why would they even bother retrieving them? They're removing those towers because (like everyone) they'd rather not have that amount of cash go up in smoke needlessly. They're involved in a big POS war, and they're moving a rather large quantity of POS's from the north to their southern frontlines. It's not difficult to see how that is a (very sensible) strategic move. But again, I'm not exactly flaming you guys. You can do whatever you like; it's not your problem whats going on down south. You guys have other factors (not least of which fun, and the lack thereof involved in POS wars) to take in to consideration. Well yes...it's not like they are worthless assets. They just aren't as important as some were trying to make them out to be. I doubt seriously the assets themselves figure into their "strategy" very much all. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
OozoO Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.06 18:51:00 - [69] Originally by: Seleene ^^ As usual, Orree says everything that needs to be said. let me quote this here because nasty seleene doesnt allow caod posting. it deserves its rightful place in this thread Originally by: Mynas Atoch Be careful what you wish for .... If I hear a single word from you guys about lag, node deaths, system caps, 'I died before I could load' etc I'm going to quote this to you. MC took the opportunities given to us for creative destruction. We put a lot of effort into creating a varied, interesting, map in the North, out of the ashes of D2's empire. You could have played EVE up there for a year and enjoyed only scenarios that the game works for. Instead you blobbed up and stomped over it all. You chose to create the North YOU wanted, and had the strength to do it. Fair enough; we did it too. But you know what is going to happen if you join the lagfest with more hundreds of pilots. epic Do not discuss moderator actions or troll in your sig. -Kaemonn Email if you understand and your sig will be unlocked.([email protected])
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.06 19:18:00 - [70] How about you include my reply? I think all Mynas was trying to say was that a lot of those guys in the North kept talking about how they were happy to not do the POS thing and just wanted some neighbors to pew pew. They had that and have now taken it away from themselves. At least that's the way I read it. Priorities / desires change, I guess. Meh. Also, about "POS spam"? MC has one tower in Catch. Move along, we're not the alliance you're looking for. - THIS FLEET FOR RENT!
Major Stormer Caldari Copperhead Inc. Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.06 19:44:00 - [71] Originally by: Proxay Fact is; MC aren't currently contracted against the north, so there is no reason MC would commit forces up there. Not to mention the sheer lack of logistical thinking that would go into 'okay-ing' such a move. I, as well as every other EVE pilot is bored of pos wars, and wants some good 20v20 / 50v50 and some lag free fleet fights. Not grinding the reload button watching shield slowly drop on a 44m hp bar. Good choice MM. This IS true, problem is currently the war isnt gonna be settled any other way. (coughgetridofpos'scough) Originally by: SirMolle Excuse me? BoB slave corp? k, if thats what you wish, you just got your wish granted. Forever.
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.07 05:34:00 - [72] Originally by: Thargat Sure they are... MM must be aligned to bob now.... seriously... boohoo. Goodnight LOL, who the f**k asked you, troll? GTFO of this thread, and go camp the EC gate some more. _________________________________________________________
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.07 11:29:00 - [73] Originally by: Seleene Also, about "POS spam"? MC has one tower in Catch. Move along, we're not the alliance you're looking for. Sorry, as one of the two biggest players in a raging sovereignty war, I assumed you were involved in the POS warfare as much as anyone. But either way, my point about saving the money (and saved money being helpful in any war of any type) still stands. If you didn't care about the money, you wouldn't be bothering with the somewhat tedious task of moving all the towers out of the north. Its not exactly controversial to assume you don't want some of your stuffs destroyed if you can help it. And facts are facts, its easier to move towers to safety if you're blue to your neighbours than it is if you're at war. If Northerners were bothered about helping the war in the South, destroying your towers would be a sensible place to start. Although again, I'm not flaming. No-one says they have to care about whats going on down South (my own alliance's involvement in shooting up the MAD Pact is testament to the "its not only about BoB" philosophy). I'm just saying that it does have an effect on the war, whether the participants care about this effect or not. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.07 11:57:00 - [74] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 07/10/2007 12:04:11 Originally by: Patch86 If you didn't care about the money, you wouldn't be bothering with the somewhat tedious task of moving all the towers out of the north. You are right. When we take down both POS in QYZM/I-7 that will allow us to TREBLE our commitment to taking Catch. Tyrrax is quaking in his boots at the prospect. Seriously, you shouldn't read CAOD, and then assume you understand what is going on in EVE. --- "IAC/AAA/RA have done a great job defending IAC against BoB/MC/FIX/AXE/other n****..." Sesfan of Goon
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.07 12:07:00 - [75] Originally by: Seleene I think all Mynas was trying to say was that a lot of those guys in the North kept talking about how they were happy to not do the POS thing and just wanted some neighbors to pew pew. They had that and have now taken it away from themselves. At least that's the way I read it. Priorities / desires change, I guess. Meh. You also thought that the old North would come with a serious business proposition about contracting MC to fight against BoB...
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.07 12:11:00 - [76] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam You also thought that the old North would come with a serious business proposition about contracting MC to fight against BoB... Yep. Life is full of little disappointments. "IAC/AAA/RA have done a great job defending IAC against BoB/MC/FIX/AXE/other n****..." Sesfan of Goon .
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.07 12:17:00 - [77] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: OozoO Originally by: Mynas Atoch Be careful what you wish for .... If I hear a single word from you guys about lag, node deaths, system caps, 'I died before I could load' etc I'm going to quote this to you. MC took the opportunities given to us for creative destruction. We put a lot of effort into creating a varied, interesting, map in the North, out of the ashes of D2's empire. You could have played EVE up there for a year and enjoyed only scenarios that the game works for. Instead you blobbed up and stomped over it all. You chose to create the North YOU wanted, and had the strength to do it. Fair enough; we did it too. But you know what is going to happen if you join the lagfest with more hundreds of pilots. epic How about you include my reply? I think all Mynas was trying to say was that a lot of those guys in the North kept talking about how they were happy to not do the POS thing and just wanted some neighbors to pew pew. They had that and have now taken it away from themselves. At least that's the way I read it. Priorities / desires change, I guess. Meh. It's not RZR/MM's fault that M.Pire and co folded like they did. It took a Tri gang of 100 BS to tip the scale in BKG the one time we entered the arena. The numbers M.Pire and their allies could field should have been able to match Rzr's at least. Outnumbered if Youwhat had stepped up to help their supposed allies. Fix your own home before you start critisizing someone elses. Originally by: consider telos ..then we had a fight and he was so dead and then I like became champion of eve and then ccp gave me a medal and a t-shirt and asked me to go out with him on a date to mcD'
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.10.07 13:20:00 - [78] Originally by: MrRx7 Meh theres not much left too shoot, all their mining pos's in the north were either killed or stolen. Its not like I had a vendetta against MC, its just there is nothing else to do. and I really have no desire to fly 50 jumps to nearest hostiles. Gee...now why would this be? Hey, maybe TRI will let you join in on that bandwagon, if you ask nice enough.
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.07 18:37:00 - [79] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 07/10/2007 12:04:11 Originally by: Patch86 If you didn't care about the money, you wouldn't be bothering with the somewhat tedious task of moving all the towers out of the north. You are right. When we take down both POS in QYZM/I-7 that will allow us to TREBLE our commitment to taking Catch. Tyrrax is quaking in his boots at the prospect. Seriously, you shouldn't read CAOD, and then assume you understand what is going on in EVE. --- "IAC/AAA/RA have done a great job defending IAC against BoB/MC/FIX/AXE/other n****..." Sesfan of Goon me thinks somebodys cranky today. Pass's mynas a beer so he can relax I driks alots
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios	Posted - 2007.10.07 19:37:00 - [80] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 07/10/2007 12:17:23 Originally by: Seleene Originally by: OozoO Originally by: Mynas Atoch Be careful what you wish for .... If I hear a single word from you guys about lag, node deaths, system caps, 'I died before I could load' etc I'm going to quote this to you. MC took the opportunities given to us for creative destruction. We put a lot of effort into creating a varied, interesting, map in the North, out of the ashes of D2's empire. You could have played EVE up there for a year and enjoyed only scenarios that the game works for. Instead you blobbed up and stomped over it all. You chose to create the North YOU wanted, and had the strength to do it. Fair enough; we did it too. But you know what is going to happen if you join the lagfest with more hundreds of pilots. epic How about you include my reply? I think all Mynas was trying to say was that a lot of those guys in the North kept talking about how they were happy to not do the POS thing and just wanted some neighbors to pew pew. They had that and have now taken it away from themselves. At least that's the way I read it. Priorities / desires change, I guess. Meh. It's not RZR/MM's fault that M.Pire and co folded like they did. It took a Tri gang of 100 BS to tip the scale in BKG the one time we entered the arena. The numbers M.Pire and their allies could field should have been able to match RZR and allies at least. Outnumbered if Youwhat had stepped up to help their supposed allies. Fix your own home before you start critisizing someone elses. I'am not involved in any way in the Northen wars pos and after d2 disband,but correct me if i'am wrong COW/MPIRE/Fatal didnt had any chance after you(triumvirate) entered and "assist" their foes ,from my perspective yes they folded but folded like man not like some crappy alliance. Youwaht did a mistake i think ,to trust that after the new north had folded they would be attacked by their long term and only blues in the north mainly triumvirate. And besides i don¦t get this animosity to MC ,because last time i remember when MC was in the North they didnt got any resistance from the all mighty d2 and d2 let they allies to rot evacuating every asset. If this seemed like smack i'am sorry but i'am tired off reading CAOD and tougth to replly to this thread because it seems it isnt plaged by smack.
Hummer H3 Irational Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.07 19:46:00 - [81] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr if Youwhat had stepped up to help their supposed allies. I suspect that History will show that YouWhat were quietly behind the scenes starting fall apart, management against management. Its hard to look at regional politics when internal strife is drawing all your attention. I think many YW also saw their future as part of the north rather than with their previous afiliation with the south. However thats no longer an issue now the north is entirely Red to those who remained YW.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.10.07 19:55:00 - [82] Originally by: Seleene How about you include my reply? I think all Mynas was trying to say was that a lot of those guys in the North kept talking about how they were happy to not do the POS thing and just wanted some neighbors to pew pew. They had that and have now taken it away from themselves. At least that's the way I read it. Priorities / desires change, I guess. Meh. Then it is very good that they removed MC from the north. Because MC is for sure not know to give some pew pew. They set up a massive blob and then try to steamroll down everything with that blob, of course counting that the lag favours them highly with their 50+ carriers. I guess people who want to do some funny pew pew fleet action won't lament being rid of the MC guys. Can't even blame MC for their choice of action. They are, as they say, mercenaries. So they need to do the work they have to do. They cannot afford to have some battles for fun - that wouldn't make their contractors happy. The contractor want to see results, nothing else.
torN Deception GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.07 20:26:00 - [83] Originally by: Prophet Malcalypse3 a mercenary force MC alt identified. That horse is thoroughly dead, you can stop beating it. Nobody outside of week old newbies actually believes that MC are mercenaries rather than BoB vassals. Do you really think that BoB is even reimbursing MC for the hundreds of billions of isk in losses it has sustained as a result of this "campaign", much less paying them a profit? Maybe sirmolle is giving seleene a reach-around, but that's the extent of their payment.
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.07 21:01:00 - [84] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 07/10/2007 12:17:23 Originally by: Seleene Originally by: OozoO Originally by: Mynas Atoch Be careful what you wish for .... If I hear a single word from you guys about lag, node deaths, system caps, 'I died before I could load' etc I'm going to quote this to you. MC took the opportunities given to us for creative destruction. We put a lot of effort into creating a varied, interesting, map in the North, out of the ashes of D2's empire. You could have played EVE up there for a year and enjoyed only scenarios that the game works for. Instead you blobbed up and stomped over it all. You chose to create the North YOU wanted, and had the strength to do it. Fair enough; we did it too. But you know what is going to happen if you join the lagfest with more hundreds of pilots. epic How about you include my reply? I think all Mynas was trying to say was that a lot of those guys in the North kept talking about how they were happy to not do the POS thing and just wanted some neighbors to pew pew. They had that and have now taken it away from themselves. At least that's the way I read it. Priorities / desires change, I guess. Meh. It's not RZR/MM's fault that M.Pire and co folded like they did. It took a Tri gang of 100 BS to tip the scale in BKG the one time we entered the arena. The numbers M.Pire and their allies could field should have been able to match RZR and allies at least. Outnumbered if Youwhat had stepped up to help their supposed allies. Fix your own home before you start critisizing someone elses. Nothing wrong with our home. :) Don't hate me, learn to love me
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.07 21:14:00 - [85] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Nothing wrong with our home. :) There is, i just spelled it out in my post.(?) Originally by: consider telos ..then we had a fight and he was so dead and then I like became champion of eve and then ccp gave me a medal and a t-shirt and asked me to go out with him on a date to mcD'
tartrus Templars of Space Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.08 04:26:00 - [86] Edited by: tartrus on 08/10/2007 04:29:30 Originally by: Arnaldur Svartnaggur Originally by: Verei I'm in an alliance that doesn't fold 5 minutes after it's invaded. That's all you need to know. so everyone else in the entire game with the exception of xetic, m.pire and f4tal? rise too i guess haha man u need to learn ya facts. 3 assualts MM and RZR pulled on those guys 3 time fought back then advanced and was fought back. they didnt fold. MM and RZR just got more friends than fatal cow and mpire could handle. all 3 alliance i will always speak highly for. why get demorilised and stick aorund and fight a battle u cant win. when u can pull out and go hav fun else were. dont get me wrong im all about fighting to the death im an honourable fighter. but it would of been like one time a friend of mine got his vulture stuck by 2 MC commandships the minite i heard i went out in my sleip we started to pount the eos then bam he cyno's income 3 MS. i was gonna stay and kill the eos( was chopping him) and being imoblie would of been easy but my vulture mate told me to leave "no point staying and dying to a fight we cant win anyway". anyway my 2 cents all my personal feeling nothing todo with my corp or alliance. but im sure MC r having to much fun to worry about there place up north. epic i no but i hate idiots who read COAD and think thats the way it was edit: i no way am i speaking badly of MM and RZR here it was smart move. im over my old feeling like my sig says I would rather fight bob than old friends. personal feelings aside
Marc Vestabule Minmatar Amnion Partners	Posted - 2007.10.08 13:05:00 - [87] From MM killboard it appears like MC has reset MM back to red. I wonder if they were professional enough to informed MM first.

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