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Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.10.05 18:47:00 - [1] Word around the tavern in Rens this morning is that MC responded to their northern POS's being shot at by giving up their northern holdings. That was about 12 hours ago, can we get a C/D for the fans at home?
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.10.05 18:47:00 - [2] Word around the tavern in Rens this morning is that MC responded to their northern POS's being shot at by giving up their northern holdings. That was about 12 hours ago, can we get a C/D for the fans at home?
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.05 18:55:00 - [3] with the increased MC activity now down in the south I wouldn't be surprised
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.05 18:55:00 - [4] with the increased MC activity now down in the south I wouldn't be surprised
Yuto Kang Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.10.05 18:58:00 - [5] As usual the tavern in Rens is not the best place to get accurate information - well, still a decent place for blackjack and hookers. MC has got a NAP with Morsus Mihi, they are simply going the way of least resistance here. Why get involved in another POS war in the north which would be a logistic nightmare and divide your forces when you can simply take your POS down, have minimal pilots involved in the process and continue your plans down in the south? Tbh MC has not been the source for much Pew Pew pleasure in the north anyway, so they won't be missed much. Still, respectable enemies on the battlefield. Have fun in the south MC. ___________________________
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.10.05 19:01:00 - [6] This answers my question perfectly, and I appreciate your candor. The lack of smack from Goon and non-Goon shows me great respect. End of thread.
Verei	Posted - 2007.10.05 19:08:00 - [7] Edited by: Verei on 05/10/2007 19:08:12 Path of least resistance? MC is bogged down in the South and constantly yells at BoB for 'ping ponging' between two systems. What kind of resistance would MC put up in the North? Personally, it's pretty weak for the North, many of whom were kicked out of their home systems by MC, to say "go ahead, just take your stuff and go." It's not respect or strength, it's weakness.
Yuto Kang Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.10.05 19:10:00 - [8] I'm sorry unidentified alt character in noobcorp, did you said something? Man up, use your main, say something, welcome to a real discussion. ___________________________
Verei	Posted - 2007.10.05 19:14:00 - [9] I'm in an alliance that doesn't fold 5 minutes after it's invaded. That's all you need to know.
Arnaldur Svartnaggur The Greater Goon	Posted - 2007.10.05 19:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Verei I'm in an alliance that doesn't fold 5 minutes after it's invaded. That's all you need to know. so everyone else in the entire game with the exception of xetic, m.pire and f4tal? rise too i guess
bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2007.10.05 19:20:00 - [11] The MC did what they went North to do, namely put down D2 and discourage the hell out of anyone up there who might have thought about following their example. Their reason for being there has passed. Frankly I'm surprised they stayed as long as they did. ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]
Astarte Nosferatu We Know Derek Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.10.05 19:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Verei I'm in an alliance that doesn't fold 5 minutes after it's invaded. That's all you need to know. People that don't show their corp/alliance ticker in CAOD are considered alts. Alts aren't allowed to post in CAOD. So either show what corp/alliance you are in, or get the **** out, alt. signature removed - please email us to find out why - Jacques([email protected]) snip Do not discuss moderation in your sig - hutch
CrispyKritters Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.10.05 19:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke This answers my question perfectly, and I appreciate your candor. The lack of smack from Goon and non-Goon shows me great respect. End of thread. What should we smack about?
Centa Kest	Posted - 2007.10.05 19:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Verei I'm in an alliance that doesn't fold 5 minutes after it's invaded. That's all you need to know. must not be in mine then, i think it took alittle over 3min's for us to die
wicked cheese Eth3real Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.05 19:45:00 - [15] Originally by: Centa Kest Originally by: Verei I'm in an alliance that doesn't fold 5 minutes after it's invaded. That's all you need to know. must not be in mine then, i think it took alittle over 3min's for us to die centa is me, stupid forums ><
Dravun Dark-Rising	Posted - 2007.10.05 19:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Verei I'm in an alliance that doesn't fold 5 minutes after it's invaded. That's all you need to know. I can tell your really proud to be there as well. Alt's are for the spineless
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.05 19:55:00 - [17] I'm not sure why MC was holding onto that space to begin with, but I will agree, that it's pretty weak letting them pull out without at least inflicting a little damage. I don't recall the same courtesy being extended when the North was invaded.
Yuto Kang Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.10.05 20:02:00 - [18] Originally by: NATMav I'm not sure why MC was holding onto that space to begin with, but I will agree, that it's pretty weak letting them pull out without at least inflicting a little damage. I don't recall the same courtesy being extended when the North was invaded. I was not in BKG and other MPire systems the whole time, but the 2 weeks I spent there have been enough to sympathize with letting MC go like this. Clearly months of blob and POS wars are tiresome and I don't think any FC would have found fresh and motivated pilots to sit around shooting control towers for hours. Then again, as far as I know only Morsus Mihi has a NAP with them so far, so RZR, TRI, Hydra, Pure., ev0ke, CPU pilots are free to shoot the passing freighters I assume. ___________________________
Ather Ialeas Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.05 20:06:00 - [19] Originally by: NATMav I'm not sure why MC was holding onto that space to begin with, but I will agree, that it's pretty weak letting them pull out without at least inflicting a little damage. I don't recall the same courtesy being extended when the North was invaded. All I ever saw there was some ISK farmers and even those were low in numbers. -
fugazii Union Of Xtreme Military M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.05 20:15:00 - [20] Originally by: NATMav I'm not sure why MC was holding onto that space to begin with, but I will agree, that it's pretty weak letting them pull out without at least inflicting a little damage. I don't recall the same courtesy being extended when the North was invaded. They had some miners up there, along with being paid a bil a week from a Chinese isk farmer corp to use thier constellation. poor civreas.
Moctobot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.05 20:23:00 - [21] Originally by: bulabuba The MC did what they went North to do, namely put down D2 and discourage the hell out of anyone up there who might have thought about following their example. Their reason for being there has passed. Frankly I'm surprised they stayed as long as they did.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.05 20:26:00 - [22] Originally by: fugazii Originally by: NATMav I'm not sure why MC was holding onto that space to begin with, but I will agree, that it's pretty weak letting them pull out without at least inflicting a little damage. I don't recall the same courtesy being extended when the North was invaded. They had some miners up there, along with being paid a bil a week from a Chinese isk farmer corp to use thier constellation. poor civreas. And here I thought only Tyraxx rented out space to farmers.
Alte Schabracke University of Caille	Posted - 2007.10.05 20:32:00 - [23] The bigger question for this evening is: Witch northern alliance will pack there bags in the south and head back home soon?
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.05 20:36:00 - [24] Edited by: Narciss Sevar on 05/10/2007 20:36:40 Originally by: NATMav Originally by: fugazii Originally by: NATMav I'm not sure why MC was holding onto that space to begin with, but I will agree, that it's pretty weak letting them pull out without at least inflicting a little damage. I don't recall the same courtesy being extended when the North was invaded. They had some miners up there, along with being paid a bil a week from a Chinese isk farmer corp to use thier constellation. poor civreas. And here I thought only Tyraxx rented out space to farmers. Lol plenty of alliances in the GBC have rented out space to isk farmers. Though i think Tyrax is the first to rent out his enemies space, so kudos to him for that.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer	Posted - 2007.10.05 21:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Narciss Sevar Edited by: Narciss Sevar on 05/10/2007 20:36:40 Originally by: NATMav Originally by: fugazii Originally by: NATMav I'm not sure why MC was holding onto that space to begin with, but I will agree, that it's pretty weak letting them pull out without at least inflicting a little damage. I don't recall the same courtesy being extended when the North was invaded. They had some miners up there, along with being paid a bil a week from a Chinese isk farmer corp to use thier constellation. poor civreas. And here I thought only Tyraxx rented out space to farmers. Lol plenty of alliances in the GBC have rented out space to isk farmers. Though i think Tyrax is the first to rent out his enemies space, so kudos to him for that. Yeah I was poking fun at all the people who cried foul over Tyraxx, and now we hear it straight from M.Pire that MC does it too. I think they owe Xelas an apology as well.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.05 22:26:00 - [26] Originally by: Moctobot Originally by: bulabuba The MC did what they went North to do, namely put down D2 and discourage the hell out of anyone up there who might have thought about following their example. Their reason for being there has passed. Frankly I'm surprised they stayed as long as they did. clever
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.05 22:30:00 - [27] MC and BoB are going down. Entities that NAP them now are fools. isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
Digicomm 101st Space Marine Force	Posted - 2007.10.05 22:39:00 - [28] EvOKE gives me the LOLs
Silvestri Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.05 23:42:00 - [29] Why Nap? After fighting with MC for years now...they are fun but...I wouldn't want them having an established base in my backyard...screw that...lol. Take em out!!
GoGo Yubari PAK	Posted - 2007.10.05 23:43:00 - [30] Originally by: NATMav I don't recall the same courtesy being extended when the North was invaded. Oddly enough, for certain parties, I certainly do. Love by nature. Live by luck. Kill by profession.
KOTH Fluf Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.05 23:51:00 - [31] Morsus Mihi will reset them as soon as they have their stuff out of Tribute and Branch. I for one didnt want to shoot anymore towers. Its been a 3 month housecleaning up here, and I dont think I could shoot another tower right now. MC offered to remove them and I accepted. No big deal. Im sure we will be back to shooting each other soon. Fluf CEO Shiva Morsus Mihi
Mr Broker Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.10.05 23:57:00 - [32] Originally by: Silvestri Why Nap? After fighting with MC for years now...they are fun but...I wouldn't want them having an established base in my backyard...screw that...lol. Take em out!! Because we are honorable and only want good fights. MC can't give good fights when they are trapped down south. We'll just have to go to them, at our own pace of course.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.06 00:00:00 - [33] Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 00:02:19 Just in case any further confirmation is needed, yes, MC has been given blue standings so they can peacefully take down what few assets they have in the north. Not that we particularly care how "weak" some of you smackers think this is, suffice it to say that at least for Morsus Mihi's part, we respect Mercenary Coalition and don't mind doing them a favor, especially when it is in mutual interest. While we may very well be shooting at them soon enough, there isn't much point in doing it up here right now. They are obviously otherwise engaged down south, so there is clearly some wisdom in their decision to pull out. I'm sure Mostly Harmless and whoever else was shooting at MC's "stuff" in Branch were more than happy and unafraid to do so and would have continued on had they been forced to go to the trouble of removing MC by force. I am certain there are those in MC who who would rather have fought it out, as well. It never ceases to amaze me how one-dimensional is the thinking of the average CAOD denizen. As if there's only one way, one right way to do something. As if something was always as simple and black and white as the first thing that comes to their minds. As always, MM stands ready to back up our friends and fight anyone who wishes to fight, including MC. It simply wasn't necessary this time. Great. We can move on. EDIT: Okay..well, Fluf beat me to it. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Anton Marx Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.06 03:29:00 - [34] \o/ more MC poses in Catch ...is all I have to say - Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate - [UMCON]Anton Marx
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.06 04:01:00 - [35] Quote: Just in case any further confirmation is needed, yes, MC has been given blue standings so they can peacefully take down what few assets they have in the north. All that does is help BoB in the end. You're aware of that, aren't you? _________________________________________________________
Thargat Caldari North Star Networks Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.06 04:14:00 - [36] Originally by: Voculus All that does is help BoB in the end. You're aware of that, aren't you? Sure they are... MM must be aligned to bob now.... seriously... boohoo. Goodnight There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius.
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.06 04:22:00 - [37] MC/BoB are rich(as entities). Letting them take those towers down I dont think really affects their abilities to tower spam if they so desired. For MM/RZR not having to go through the hassle of taking them down is probably worth it. Besides strategically, it doesn't hurt to do a good turn which can probably be returned later. What everyone fails to realize is that even after "The Great War" is over, the pilots don't disappear. They reform/merge/re-invent themselves. Besides I think if they deploy them downsouth they will just get blown up anyway :) P.S. Good Job RZR/MM
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.06 05:09:00 - [38] Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:10:09 Originally by: Voculus Quote: Just in case any further confirmation is needed, yes, MC has been given blue standings so they can peacefully take down what few assets they have in the north. All that does is help BoB in the end. You're aware of that, aren't you? I disagree with you. May I ask what IRON is up to these days? "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
WETRAIN Minmatar R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.06 05:26:00 - [39] YOUWHAT?MOFO YOUWHAT? WHATYOUWHAT? I KILL YOU!?
Lucian Sulla Port Royal Independent Kontractors Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.10.06 06:11:00 - [40] Originally by: Orree Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:31:12 Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:10:09 Originally by: Voculus Quote: Just in case any further confirmation is needed, yes, MC has been given blue standings so they can peacefully take down what few assets they have in the north. All that does is help BoB in the end. You're aware of that, aren't you? I disagree with you. Besides, its really not as if that is the only factor by which people make decisions. May I ask what IRON is up to these days? Hiding in 8-2 and waiting for the end? No, really, I'm sure they'll finish building a cap fleet anyday now. Just leave the towers up, IRON will volunteer to kill them as soon as they can.
Ather Ialeas Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.06 06:46:00 - [41] Originally by: Voculus Quote: Just in case any further confirmation is needed, yes, MC has been given blue standings so they can peacefully take down what few assets they have in the north. All that does is help BoB in the end. You're aware of that, aren't you? MM & MC - blue IRON & MM - ? IRON & MC - neutral or red Figure out the ? and go harrass the escaping hauler parties if it really matters to you. -
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.06 07:18:00 - [42] Originally by: Orree It never ceases to amaze me how one-dimensional is the thinking of the average CAOD denizen. As if there's only one way, one right way to do something. As if something was always as simple and black and white as the first thing that comes to their minds. ^^ As usual, Orree says everything that needs to be said. - THIS FLEET FOR RENT!
Kasheem Cetanes DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.06 08:13:00 - [43] Edited by: Kasheem Cetanes on 06/10/2007 08:13:29 I personally think it is ridiculous that MM some how convinced the rest of us that letting MC just unanchore and get out was a good idea. Especially when, in the grander scheme of things, it would have been better if MC had had to split off up north. In addition, the way we made F4t4l, M. Pire, AND COW gave us all their in space assets before leaving, MC certainly seems to be getting off easy when we could destroy to take so much
Mr Broker Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.10.06 08:20:00 - [44] Originally by: Kasheem Cetanes Edited by: Kasheem Cetanes on 06/10/2007 08:13:29 I personally think it is ridiculous that MM some how convinced the rest of us that letting MC just unanchore and get out was a good idea. Especially when, in the grander scheme of things, it would have been better if MC had had to split off up north. In addition, the way we made F4t4l, M. Pire, AND COW gave us all their in space assets before leaving, MC certainly seems to be getting off easy when we could destroy to take so much It's a good think you don't speak for your alliance. Just maybe MM leadership are experienced and know what they are doing?
Kola XXX Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.06 09:27:00 - [45] It's a good think you don't speak for your alliance. Just maybe MM leadership are experienced and know what they are doing? alt when are you gonna do something other than smack the forums and pretend to be a smart guy? you spelled thing wrong when you were flaming that guy ....winner..it's a good thing you don't speak for any alliance
Cadiz Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.10.06 09:51:00 - [46] Edited by: Cadiz on 06/10/2007 09:53:51 Quote: I personally think it is ridiculous that MM some how convinced the rest of us that letting MC just unanchore and get out was a good idea. Especially when, in the grander scheme of things, it would have been better if MC had had to split off up north. In addition, the way we made F4t4l, M. Pire, AND COW gave us all their in space assets before leaving, MC certainly seems to be getting off easy when we could destroy to take so much I think the bet here is that MC probably wouldn't have split off in any real force, and simply would arranged things to be as long, tedious, and generally unenjoyable for the attacking party as possible. If that was indeed the assumption, then the course of action taken here is pretty logical, as shooting POSes without the hope of fleet actions to break up the tedium is about as fun as dental surgery sans anaesthetic. Plus, who knows? Such civility and graciousness may reap some rewards somewhere far down the road... ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence."
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.10.06 10:07:00 - [47] Originally by: Moctobot Originally by: bulabuba The MC did what they went North to do, namely put down D2 and discourage the hell out of anyone up there who might have thought about following their example. Their reason for being there has passed. Frankly I'm surprised they stayed as long as they did. - Gob Stealth bombers work!
Lieutenant Obvious Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.06 10:24:00 - [48] Originally by: Kasheem Cetanes Edited by: Kasheem Cetanes on 06/10/2007 08:13:29 I personally think it is ridiculous that MM some how convinced the rest of us that letting MC just unanchore and get out was a good idea. Especially when, in the grander scheme of things, it would have been better if MC had had to split off up north. In addition, the way we made F4t4l, M. Pire, AND COW gave us all their in space assets before leaving, MC certainly seems to be getting off easy when we could destroy to take so much You need to gag yourself buddy. I don't know much, but I know you know less after that stupid brainfart.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.06 10:31:00 - [49] Originally by: Kasheem Cetanes Edited by: Kasheem Cetanes on 06/10/2007 08:13:29 I personally think it is ridiculous that MM some how convinced the rest of us that letting MC just unanchore and get out was a good idea. Especially when, in the grander scheme of things, it would have been better if MC had had to split off up north. In addition, the way we made F4t4l, M. Pire, AND COW gave us all their in space assets before leaving, MC certainly seems to be getting off easy when we could destroy to take so much You don't know what you are talking about. MC are still red to RZR. RZR been shooting MC pos every night this week so far in Branch. This is a low priority decision. RAWR and RZR came to diff conclusions and we're happy with that.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.06 11:01:00 - [50] Originally by: Orree Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:31:12 Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:10:09 Originally by: Voculus Quote: Just in case any further confirmation is needed, yes, MC has been given blue standings so they can peacefully take down what few assets they have in the north. All that does is help BoB in the end. You're aware of that, aren't you? I disagree with you. Well its fairly clear cut. MC are involved in a POS spam war down south, and you're enabling them to take more POS's on to the front lines that, otherwise, would have been stranded. Not that I'm complaining either way, it being nothing to do with me. As you rightly say, thats not the only factor by which people make decisions. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Yuto Kang Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.10.06 11:38:00 - [51] It's funny that after RAWR and RZR successfully attacked BKG to make M.Pire pull-out from the conflict in the south, evicted all McPets from the northern regions, effectively weaking BoB support in the north by that and thus/also laying the groundwork for TRI vs. YW some people have the nerve to moan about decisions the leadership makes. RAWR and RZR have shown that they can co-ordinate collaborative fleet ops very well, but also can act as single entities and thus they have a different stance on the situation with MC, which is perfectly fine. RZR keeps shooting MC, while RAWR will allow them safe passage through Tribute. This might be due to the good relations Fluf has with some MC members, RAWR pilots are annoyed with hours of silly POS shooting or because down the road maybe MC will pay back this favor in some way or another. Tbh this thread should have ended after the first 2-3 posts, no one here is in the position to question decisions made by RZR or RAWR leadership as they don't have to answer to anyone. ___________________________
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.06 12:17:00 - [52] Originally by: Kasheem Cetanes Edited by: Kasheem Cetanes on 06/10/2007 08:13:29 I personally think it is ridiculous that MM some how convinced the rest of us that letting MC just unanchore and get out was a good idea. Especially when, in the grander scheme of things, it would have been better if MC had had to split off up north. In addition, the way we made F4t4l, M. Pire, AND COW gave us all their in space assets before leaving, MC certainly seems to be getting off easy when we could destroy to take so much I honestly don't know who you are, i've never seen you before for sure, but uhm maybe read stuff before posting this nonsense, if you want to shoot MC, go ahead they are still red to us and as far as i'm concerned will always be. Even though i'd rather have taken a couple of shots at them aswell, shooting pos' for the last 4 weeks gets kinda boring and this way we can concentrate on just fighting internet spaceships and not towers.
Mr Broker Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.10.06 12:22:00 - [53] Originally by: Kola XXX It's a good think you don't speak for your alliance. Just maybe MM leadership are experienced and know what they are doing? alt when are you gonna do something other than smack the forums and pretend to be a smart guy? you spelled thing wrong when you were flaming that guy ....winner..it's a good thing you don't speak for any alliance When you stop ignoring me, thought that went without saying, "smart guy".
Sae Eha	Posted - 2007.10.06 12:37:00 - [54] Originally by: Yuto Kang This might be due to the good relations Fluf has with some MC members, RAWR pilots are annoyed with hours of silly POS shooting or because down the road maybe MC will pay back this favor in some way or another. If anything, this is the payback for MC keeping the cap blob out of MM space.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.06 12:40:00 - [55] Originally by: Mr Broker Originally by: Silvestri Why Nap? After fighting with MC for years now...they are fun but...I wouldn't want them having an established base in my backyard...screw that...lol. Take em out!! Because we are honorable and only want good fights. MC can't give good fights when they are trapped down south. We'll just have to go to them, at our own pace of course. The "we just want good fights" is getting very old as an excuse for being pussies. isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.06 14:14:00 - [56] Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 06/10/2007 14:14:53 Originally by: Death Merchant even after "The Great War" is over that could require several thousand pilots, on one side or the other of the conflict, to completely retire from new eden. i think the great war may be here until the space-cows-come-home.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.06 14:53:00 - [57] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Orree Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:31:12 Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:10:09 Originally by: Voculus Quote: Just in case any further confirmation is needed, yes, MC has been given blue standings so they can peacefully take down what few assets they have in the north. All that does is help BoB in the end. You're aware of that, aren't you? I disagree with you. Well its fairly clear cut. MC are involved in a POS spam war down south, and you're enabling them to take more POS's on to the front lines that, otherwise, would have been stranded. Not that I'm complaining either way, it being nothing to do with me. As you rightly say, thats not the only factor by which people make decisions. Okay..let me think about this. That must be because MC is strapped for cash to buy new towers AND NPCs stopped selling them, so there's a finite supply now...and...and...the easiest way to get more towers down south would be to go up to BRANCH, spend time un-anchoring them, transporting them from the top of the map to the bottom of the map and then put them up in Catch. I see what you mean now. I guess we all better be careful with the towers still in circulation, then. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Arnaud Toroge Amarr mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.06 15:06:00 - [58] Edited by: Arnaud Toroge on 06/10/2007 15:09:46 Quote: All that does is help BoB in the end. You're aware of that, aren't you? ...I think it helps out MM also...they dont have to mess with MC for a bit and can focus more on making themselves more powerful...I think that MM knows exactly what they are doing. And, I don't even know what to say about anyone who actually enjoys shooting at PoS's cause I know back when I was involved in PoS warfare in Curse Alliance for a month or two straight i hated even logging into eve (and look where Curse Alliance is now...sigh) I <3 Muffin_Factory though :D =========================================
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.06 15:11:00 - [59] Originally by: Orree Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Orree Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:31:12 Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:10:09 Originally by: Voculus Quote: Just in case any further confirmation is needed, yes, MC has been given blue standings so they can peacefully take down what few assets they have in the north. All that does is help BoB in the end. You're aware of that, aren't you? I disagree with you. Well its fairly clear cut. MC are involved in a POS spam war down south, and you're enabling them to take more POS's on to the front lines that, otherwise, would have been stranded. Not that I'm complaining either way, it being nothing to do with me. As you rightly say, thats not the only factor by which people make decisions. Okay..let me think about this. That must be because MC is strapped for cash to buy new towers AND NPCs stopped selling them, so there's a finite supply now...and...and...the easiest way to get more towers down south would be to go up to BRANCH, spend time un-anchoring them, transporting them from the top of the map to the bottom of the map and then put them up in Catch. I see what you mean now. I guess we all better be careful with the towers still in circulation, then. Are you guys gettin the towers at a discounted rate? not flame, serious question. I driks alots
Nemain Darru Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.06 15:33:00 - [60] Originally by: Prophet Malcalypse3 Why shoot towers and burn diplomatic bridges with a mercenary force you may use in the future? good choice Northern thingies. off topic KALLISTE Malaclypse :D Shoot first. Think later.
Idaeus Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.10.06 15:36:00 - [61] Originally by: Patch86 Well its fairly clear cut. MC are involved in a POS spam war down south, and you're enabling them to take more POS's on to the front lines that, otherwise, would have been stranded. As you say, it's down south. It's a southern issue, and I doubt anyone up here really cares (in the immediate sense, I'm sure in the intellectual sense there is some caring). After all, the north* fought MC and friends, not BoB. And they're gone now. *And some of us shot everyone, because we're (to quote a Fallen Souls, now YouWhat pilot) pathetic lowsec (even if we spent 60% of the time in nullsec) pirates. IOI - Earned In Blood
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.06 16:45:00 - [62] Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 16:45:46 Originally by: dastommy79 Originally by: Orree Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Orree Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:31:12 Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:10:09 Originally by: Voculus Quote: Just in case any further confirmation is needed, yes, MC has been given blue standings so they can peacefully take down what few assets they have in the north. All that does is help BoB in the end. You're aware of that, aren't you? I disagree with you. Well its fairly clear cut. MC are involved in a POS spam war down south, and you're enabling them to take more POS's on to the front lines that, otherwise, would have been stranded. Not that I'm complaining either way, it being nothing to do with me. As you rightly say, thats not the only factor by which people make decisions. Okay..let me think about this. That must be because MC is strapped for cash to buy new towers AND NPCs stopped selling them, so there's a finite supply now...and...and...the easiest way to get more towers down south would be to go up to BRANCH, spend time un-anchoring them, transporting them from the top of the map to the bottom of the map and then put them up in Catch. I see what you mean now. I guess we all better be careful with the towers still in circulation, then. Are you guys gettin the towers at a discounted rate? not flame, serious question. Not that I'm personally aware of. To some of the other more recent posters in this thread...nice to see a little deeper thinking going on. Very nice. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.06 16:52:00 - [63] Originally by: Prophet Malcalypse3 Why shoot towers and burn diplomatic bridges with a mercenary force you may use in the future? good choice Northern thingies. Yeah, esp. when you use them vs. BoB in the future. Listen to the MC alt guys! isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
MrRx7 Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.06 16:52:00 - [64] Meh theres not much left too shoot, all their mining pos's in the north were either killed or stolen. Its not like I had a vendetta against MC, its just there is nothing else to do. and I really have no desire to fly 50 jumps to nearest hostiles.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.06 17:02:00 - [65] Originally by: Orree Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Orree Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:31:12 Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:10:09 Originally by: Voculus Quote: Just in case any further confirmation is needed, yes, MC has been given blue standings so they can peacefully take down what few assets they have in the north. All that does is help BoB in the end. You're aware of that, aren't you? I disagree with you. Well its fairly clear cut. MC are involved in a POS spam war down south, and you're enabling them to take more POS's on to the front lines that, otherwise, would have been stranded. Not that I'm complaining either way, it being nothing to do with me. As you rightly say, thats not the only factor by which people make decisions. Okay..let me think about this. That must be because MC is strapped for cash to buy new towers AND NPCs stopped selling them, so there's a finite supply now...and...and...the easiest way to get more towers down south would be to go up to BRANCH, spend time un-anchoring them, transporting them from the top of the map to the bottom of the map and then put them up in Catch. I see what you mean now. I guess we all better be careful with the towers still in circulation, then. They still cost money, and money is money. MC may be rich, but itd be downright ridiculous to imagine they're so blasT about that kind of money that it doesn't make a difference either way. If it was really that inconsequential, why would they even bother retrieving them? They're removing those towers because (like everyone) they'd rather not have that amount of cash go up in smoke needlessly. They're involved in a big POS war, and they're moving a rather large quantity of POS's from the north to their southern frontlines. It's not difficult to see how that is a (very sensible) strategic move. But again, I'm not exactly flaming you guys. You can do whatever you like; it's not your problem whats going on down south. You guys have other factors (not least of which fun, and the lack thereof involved in POS wars) to take in to consideration. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2007.10.06 17:02:00 - [66] Fact is; MC aren't currently contracted against the north, so there is no reason MC would commit forces up there. Not to mention the sheer lack of logistical thinking that would go into 'okay-ing' such a move. I, as well as every other EVE pilot is bored of pos wars, and wants some good 20v20 / 50v50 and some lag free fleet fights. Not grinding the reload button watching shield slowly drop on a 44m hp bar. Good choice MM. stop nuking my sig Kruel :P Nuffin but luv - Kreul
General StarScream Cybertronic Decepticons	Posted - 2007.10.06 17:39:00 - [67] Anyone whom support bob will die and suffer then die. then be forced to mine in high sec.
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.06 18:21:00 - [68] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Orree Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Orree Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:31:12 Edited by: Orree on 06/10/2007 05:10:09 Originally by: Voculus Quote: Just in case any further confirmation is needed, yes, MC has been given blue standings so they can peacefully take down what few assets they have in the north. All that does is help BoB in the end. You're aware of that, aren't you? I disagree with you. Well its fairly clear cut. MC are involved in a POS spam war down south, and you're enabling them to take more POS's on to the front lines that, otherwise, would have been stranded. Not that I'm complaining either way, it being nothing to do with me. As you rightly say, thats not the only factor by which people make decisions. Okay..let me think about this. That must be because MC is strapped for cash to buy new towers AND NPCs stopped selling them, so there's a finite supply now...and...and...the easiest way to get more towers down south would be to go up to BRANCH, spend time un-anchoring them, transporting them from the top of the map to the bottom of the map and then put them up in Catch. I see what you mean now. I guess we all better be careful with the towers still in circulation, then. They still cost money, and money is money. MC may be rich, but itd be downright ridiculous to imagine they're so blasT about that kind of money that it doesn't make a difference either way. If it was really that inconsequential, why would they even bother retrieving them? They're removing those towers because (like everyone) they'd rather not have that amount of cash go up in smoke needlessly. They're involved in a big POS war, and they're moving a rather large quantity of POS's from the north to their southern frontlines. It's not difficult to see how that is a (very sensible) strategic move. But again, I'm not exactly flaming you guys. You can do whatever you like; it's not your problem whats going on down south. You guys have other factors (not least of which fun, and the lack thereof involved in POS wars) to take in to consideration. Well yes...it's not like they are worthless assets. They just aren't as important as some were trying to make them out to be. I doubt seriously the assets themselves figure into their "strategy" very much all. "How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli
OozoO Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.06 18:51:00 - [69] Originally by: Seleene ^^ As usual, Orree says everything that needs to be said. let me quote this here because nasty seleene doesnt allow caod posting. it deserves its rightful place in this thread Originally by: Mynas Atoch Be careful what you wish for .... If I hear a single word from you guys about lag, node deaths, system caps, 'I died before I could load' etc I'm going to quote this to you. MC took the opportunities given to us for creative destruction. We put a lot of effort into creating a varied, interesting, map in the North, out of the ashes of D2's empire. You could have played EVE up there for a year and enjoyed only scenarios that the game works for. Instead you blobbed up and stomped over it all. You chose to create the North YOU wanted, and had the strength to do it. Fair enough; we did it too. But you know what is going to happen if you join the lagfest with more hundreds of pilots. epic Do not discuss moderator actions or troll in your sig. -Kaemonn Email if you understand and your sig will be unlocked.([email protected])
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.06 19:18:00 - [70] How about you include my reply? I think all Mynas was trying to say was that a lot of those guys in the North kept talking about how they were happy to not do the POS thing and just wanted some neighbors to pew pew. They had that and have now taken it away from themselves. At least that's the way I read it. Priorities / desires change, I guess. Meh. Also, about "POS spam"? MC has one tower in Catch. Move along, we're not the alliance you're looking for. - THIS FLEET FOR RENT!
Major Stormer Caldari Copperhead Inc. Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.06 19:44:00 - [71] Originally by: Proxay Fact is; MC aren't currently contracted against the north, so there is no reason MC would commit forces up there. Not to mention the sheer lack of logistical thinking that would go into 'okay-ing' such a move. I, as well as every other EVE pilot is bored of pos wars, and wants some good 20v20 / 50v50 and some lag free fleet fights. Not grinding the reload button watching shield slowly drop on a 44m hp bar. Good choice MM. This IS true, problem is currently the war isnt gonna be settled any other way. (coughgetridofpos'scough) Originally by: SirMolle Excuse me? BoB slave corp? k, if thats what you wish, you just got your wish granted. Forever.
Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.10.07 05:34:00 - [72] Originally by: Thargat Sure they are... MM must be aligned to bob now.... seriously... boohoo. Goodnight LOL, who the f**k asked you, troll? GTFO of this thread, and go camp the EC gate some more. _________________________________________________________
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.07 11:29:00 - [73] Originally by: Seleene Also, about "POS spam"? MC has one tower in Catch. Move along, we're not the alliance you're looking for. Sorry, as one of the two biggest players in a raging sovereignty war, I assumed you were involved in the POS warfare as much as anyone. But either way, my point about saving the money (and saved money being helpful in any war of any type) still stands. If you didn't care about the money, you wouldn't be bothering with the somewhat tedious task of moving all the towers out of the north. Its not exactly controversial to assume you don't want some of your stuffs destroyed if you can help it. And facts are facts, its easier to move towers to safety if you're blue to your neighbours than it is if you're at war. If Northerners were bothered about helping the war in the South, destroying your towers would be a sensible place to start. Although again, I'm not flaming. No-one says they have to care about whats going on down South (my own alliance's involvement in shooting up the MAD Pact is testament to the "its not only about BoB" philosophy). I'm just saying that it does have an effect on the war, whether the participants care about this effect or not. ------ Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts!
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.07 11:57:00 - [74] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 07/10/2007 12:04:11 Originally by: Patch86 If you didn't care about the money, you wouldn't be bothering with the somewhat tedious task of moving all the towers out of the north. You are right. When we take down both POS in QYZM/I-7 that will allow us to TREBLE our commitment to taking Catch. Tyrrax is quaking in his boots at the prospect. Seriously, you shouldn't read CAOD, and then assume you understand what is going on in EVE. --- "IAC/AAA/RA have done a great job defending IAC against BoB/MC/FIX/AXE/other n****..." Sesfan of Goon
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.07 12:07:00 - [75] Originally by: Seleene I think all Mynas was trying to say was that a lot of those guys in the North kept talking about how they were happy to not do the POS thing and just wanted some neighbors to pew pew. They had that and have now taken it away from themselves. At least that's the way I read it. Priorities / desires change, I guess. Meh. You also thought that the old North would come with a serious business proposition about contracting MC to fight against BoB...
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.07 12:11:00 - [76] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam You also thought that the old North would come with a serious business proposition about contracting MC to fight against BoB... Yep. Life is full of little disappointments. "IAC/AAA/RA have done a great job defending IAC against BoB/MC/FIX/AXE/other n****..." Sesfan of Goon .
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.07 12:17:00 - [77] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: OozoO Originally by: Mynas Atoch Be careful what you wish for .... If I hear a single word from you guys about lag, node deaths, system caps, 'I died before I could load' etc I'm going to quote this to you. MC took the opportunities given to us for creative destruction. We put a lot of effort into creating a varied, interesting, map in the North, out of the ashes of D2's empire. You could have played EVE up there for a year and enjoyed only scenarios that the game works for. Instead you blobbed up and stomped over it all. You chose to create the North YOU wanted, and had the strength to do it. Fair enough; we did it too. But you know what is going to happen if you join the lagfest with more hundreds of pilots. epic How about you include my reply? I think all Mynas was trying to say was that a lot of those guys in the North kept talking about how they were happy to not do the POS thing and just wanted some neighbors to pew pew. They had that and have now taken it away from themselves. At least that's the way I read it. Priorities / desires change, I guess. Meh. It's not RZR/MM's fault that M.Pire and co folded like they did. It took a Tri gang of 100 BS to tip the scale in BKG the one time we entered the arena. The numbers M.Pire and their allies could field should have been able to match Rzr's at least. Outnumbered if Youwhat had stepped up to help their supposed allies. Fix your own home before you start critisizing someone elses. Originally by: consider telos ..then we had a fight and he was so dead and then I like became champion of eve and then ccp gave me a medal and a t-shirt and asked me to go out with him on a date to mcD'
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.10.07 13:20:00 - [78] Originally by: MrRx7 Meh theres not much left too shoot, all their mining pos's in the north were either killed or stolen. Its not like I had a vendetta against MC, its just there is nothing else to do. and I really have no desire to fly 50 jumps to nearest hostiles. Gee...now why would this be? Hey, maybe TRI will let you join in on that bandwagon, if you ask nice enough.
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.07 18:37:00 - [79] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 07/10/2007 12:04:11 Originally by: Patch86 If you didn't care about the money, you wouldn't be bothering with the somewhat tedious task of moving all the towers out of the north. You are right. When we take down both POS in QYZM/I-7 that will allow us to TREBLE our commitment to taking Catch. Tyrrax is quaking in his boots at the prospect. Seriously, you shouldn't read CAOD, and then assume you understand what is going on in EVE. --- "IAC/AAA/RA have done a great job defending IAC against BoB/MC/FIX/AXE/other n****..." Sesfan of Goon me thinks somebodys cranky today. Pass's mynas a beer so he can relax I driks alots
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios	Posted - 2007.10.07 19:37:00 - [80] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 07/10/2007 12:17:23 Originally by: Seleene Originally by: OozoO Originally by: Mynas Atoch Be careful what you wish for .... If I hear a single word from you guys about lag, node deaths, system caps, 'I died before I could load' etc I'm going to quote this to you. MC took the opportunities given to us for creative destruction. We put a lot of effort into creating a varied, interesting, map in the North, out of the ashes of D2's empire. You could have played EVE up there for a year and enjoyed only scenarios that the game works for. Instead you blobbed up and stomped over it all. You chose to create the North YOU wanted, and had the strength to do it. Fair enough; we did it too. But you know what is going to happen if you join the lagfest with more hundreds of pilots. epic How about you include my reply? I think all Mynas was trying to say was that a lot of those guys in the North kept talking about how they were happy to not do the POS thing and just wanted some neighbors to pew pew. They had that and have now taken it away from themselves. At least that's the way I read it. Priorities / desires change, I guess. Meh. It's not RZR/MM's fault that M.Pire and co folded like they did. It took a Tri gang of 100 BS to tip the scale in BKG the one time we entered the arena. The numbers M.Pire and their allies could field should have been able to match RZR and allies at least. Outnumbered if Youwhat had stepped up to help their supposed allies. Fix your own home before you start critisizing someone elses. I'am not involved in any way in the Northen wars pos and after d2 disband,but correct me if i'am wrong COW/MPIRE/Fatal didnt had any chance after you(triumvirate) entered and "assist" their foes ,from my perspective yes they folded but folded like man not like some crappy alliance. Youwaht did a mistake i think ,to trust that after the new north had folded they would be attacked by their long term and only blues in the north mainly triumvirate. And besides i don¦t get this animosity to MC ,because last time i remember when MC was in the North they didnt got any resistance from the all mighty d2 and d2 let they allies to rot evacuating every asset. If this seemed like smack i'am sorry but i'am tired off reading CAOD and tougth to replly to this thread because it seems it isnt plaged by smack.
Hummer H3 Irational Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.07 19:46:00 - [81] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr if Youwhat had stepped up to help their supposed allies. I suspect that History will show that YouWhat were quietly behind the scenes starting fall apart, management against management. Its hard to look at regional politics when internal strife is drawing all your attention. I think many YW also saw their future as part of the north rather than with their previous afiliation with the south. However thats no longer an issue now the north is entirely Red to those who remained YW.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.10.07 19:55:00 - [82] Originally by: Seleene How about you include my reply? I think all Mynas was trying to say was that a lot of those guys in the North kept talking about how they were happy to not do the POS thing and just wanted some neighbors to pew pew. They had that and have now taken it away from themselves. At least that's the way I read it. Priorities / desires change, I guess. Meh. Then it is very good that they removed MC from the north. Because MC is for sure not know to give some pew pew. They set up a massive blob and then try to steamroll down everything with that blob, of course counting that the lag favours them highly with their 50+ carriers. I guess people who want to do some funny pew pew fleet action won't lament being rid of the MC guys. Can't even blame MC for their choice of action. They are, as they say, mercenaries. So they need to do the work they have to do. They cannot afford to have some battles for fun - that wouldn't make their contractors happy. The contractor want to see results, nothing else.
torN Deception GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.07 20:26:00 - [83] Originally by: Prophet Malcalypse3 a mercenary force MC alt identified. That horse is thoroughly dead, you can stop beating it. Nobody outside of week old newbies actually believes that MC are mercenaries rather than BoB vassals. Do you really think that BoB is even reimbursing MC for the hundreds of billions of isk in losses it has sustained as a result of this "campaign", much less paying them a profit? Maybe sirmolle is giving seleene a reach-around, but that's the extent of their payment.
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.07 21:01:00 - [84] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 07/10/2007 12:17:23 Originally by: Seleene Originally by: OozoO Originally by: Mynas Atoch Be careful what you wish for .... If I hear a single word from you guys about lag, node deaths, system caps, 'I died before I could load' etc I'm going to quote this to you. MC took the opportunities given to us for creative destruction. We put a lot of effort into creating a varied, interesting, map in the North, out of the ashes of D2's empire. You could have played EVE up there for a year and enjoyed only scenarios that the game works for. Instead you blobbed up and stomped over it all. You chose to create the North YOU wanted, and had the strength to do it. Fair enough; we did it too. But you know what is going to happen if you join the lagfest with more hundreds of pilots. epic How about you include my reply? I think all Mynas was trying to say was that a lot of those guys in the North kept talking about how they were happy to not do the POS thing and just wanted some neighbors to pew pew. They had that and have now taken it away from themselves. At least that's the way I read it. Priorities / desires change, I guess. Meh. It's not RZR/MM's fault that M.Pire and co folded like they did. It took a Tri gang of 100 BS to tip the scale in BKG the one time we entered the arena. The numbers M.Pire and their allies could field should have been able to match RZR and allies at least. Outnumbered if Youwhat had stepped up to help their supposed allies. Fix your own home before you start critisizing someone elses. Nothing wrong with our home. :) Don't hate me, learn to love me
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.07 21:14:00 - [85] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Nothing wrong with our home. :) There is, i just spelled it out in my post.(?) Originally by: consider telos ..then we had a fight and he was so dead and then I like became champion of eve and then ccp gave me a medal and a t-shirt and asked me to go out with him on a date to mcD'
tartrus Templars of Space Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.08 04:26:00 - [86] Edited by: tartrus on 08/10/2007 04:29:30 Originally by: Arnaldur Svartnaggur Originally by: Verei I'm in an alliance that doesn't fold 5 minutes after it's invaded. That's all you need to know. so everyone else in the entire game with the exception of xetic, m.pire and f4tal? rise too i guess haha man u need to learn ya facts. 3 assualts MM and RZR pulled on those guys 3 time fought back then advanced and was fought back. they didnt fold. MM and RZR just got more friends than fatal cow and mpire could handle. all 3 alliance i will always speak highly for. why get demorilised and stick aorund and fight a battle u cant win. when u can pull out and go hav fun else were. dont get me wrong im all about fighting to the death im an honourable fighter. but it would of been like one time a friend of mine got his vulture stuck by 2 MC commandships the minite i heard i went out in my sleip we started to pount the eos then bam he cyno's income 3 MS. i was gonna stay and kill the eos( was chopping him) and being imoblie would of been easy but my vulture mate told me to leave "no point staying and dying to a fight we cant win anyway". anyway my 2 cents all my personal feeling nothing todo with my corp or alliance. but im sure MC r having to much fun to worry about there place up north. epic i no but i hate idiots who read COAD and think thats the way it was edit: i no way am i speaking badly of MM and RZR here it was smart move. im over my old feeling like my sig says I would rather fight bob than old friends. personal feelings aside
Marc Vestabule Minmatar Amnion Partners	Posted - 2007.10.08 13:05:00 - [87] From MM killboard it appears like MC has reset MM back to red. I wonder if they were professional enough to informed MM first.

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