Originally by: Siren Sylvanis

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Sounds like a really good idea, if it could have been implemented when the Eve map was drawn. But since the map's already set, you really can't just rearrange every single star system in Eve.

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Originally by: Mister Xerox

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Wow, you guys are new... *LOL*

Before the Castor expansion (which was over 3 years ago), you it was once neccessary to pass through lowsec just to get from one empire to its neighbor. It was the age of high piracy where the few avenues between empires were massively camped by massive pirate fleets in almighty cruisers (and BS, as they became more prevalent). I believe that one of the most notorious was the m0o pirate corp at a chokepoint not far from Yulai.

You want to go /back/ to that? *LOL*

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Originally by: Mister Xerox

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Wow, you guys are new... *LOL*

Before the Castor expansion (which was over 3 years ago), you it was once neccessary to pass through lowsec just to get from one empire to its neighbor. It was the age of high piracy where the few avenues between empires were massively camped by massive pirate fleets in almighty cruisers (and BS, as they became more prevalent). I believe that one of the most notorious was the m0o pirate corp at a chokepoint not far from Yulai.

You want to go /back/ to that? *LOL*

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Originally by: Brujo Loco

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After seeing all these threads on how to fix low sec, I have been seeing a common number of things people agree on. Mostly that Risk vs. Reward in Low Sec is worthless/nil and whatever variables out of that corollary might sprout. So, I have been thinking lately on this theory I dubbed "The Archipelago Theory". In RL an Archipelago is chain or cluster of islands. They are relatively close to each other and were, in ancient times, according to the needs of expansion and trade of the empires that dwelt upon them at the time, localized market hubs and centers of culture expansion. The Ancient Mediterranean and Asian Powers come to mind readily , there were also Indian/Caribbean counterparts during our history. What I have been trying to collide and conclude into a readily accesible feature for eve is this:

Envision EVE as a boundless sea, the empires as a single mega continent with rivulets, deltas and swamps. All of 0.0 will be "lawless" seas, Low sec as the space between the shores of the single mega continent and hi sec as the main body of the mega continent. Now, with sovereignity and the usual "safety" of 0.0 as long as you dont fall in NBSI mode, you can see 0.0 as the new borders of Pirate Nations gone civilized/Mercantile Trading Companies Hq's. Whatever is left in the middle is the stagnant, dangerous, lonely waters of the shores between 0.0 and Empire. What I propose is a radicalization of the Concept of the Mega Continent that exists as it is now. This fix, won't affect PVE'ers nor PVP'ers negatively (OMG IM gonna quit factor). What I envision is a sharding of the Mega continent (considered as such as you can safely use roadways that connect them all through hi sec) into smaller Islands, creating an Archipelago composed of the different Empires working as Island Nations. They would be surrounded by low sec areas, but at the core they would all be high sec. What I propose is a blurring of the homogenous feel of Empire as a single continent. If factional warfare would bring this blurring, then this idea is moot, if not, it would be at least something people might consider.

What this would create is this: Racial Empire areas will be more prevalent. Market hubs might be descentralized, mission runners/miners will still have their favorite spot to grind missions/mine available, but to travel to another Racial Empire will require the player to brave out the sea shores (wich will be rife with pirates/Empire patrols/Bounty Hunters/Mercenaries/Convoys etc.) Establishing protected trade routes can and will become a priority of the Capsuleer Community. Since all Empires will still be hi sec, trade within them will keep on flourishing and revitalize some systems, descentralizing others. No need to move agents, minerals, etc. Just create a gap, isolate the Empires (they are already on this path, so it even works within the storyline). As this state of affairs continues, a new face will theoretically crop up on the EVE Universe. We need to make use of the Sea surrounding us, calling us. The unity of the Pan Continent is fictional and hurting us conglomerating everybody in the center of the EVE Map.

This has been proven to work somehow with CVA space, as I have seen it firsthand down there. Alliances might eventually control, protect and eventually tax these routes. (just an idea).

This idea can work too as creating pockets of Hi Sec systems within Low sec with Agents for mission runners/minerals/exploration. Not everybody wants/has the time to join a specific alliance to play in low sec, this MUST be understood, hence why NPC controlled Hi sec Pockets in Low sec can work as a starter for repopulation by Industrialists, PVE'rs and Miners. (The lifeblood of EVE)

Just some thoughts, as usual , please discuss, thanx for reading

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Originally by: Royaldo

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complete win by Cornucopian!

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Originally by: Cornucopian

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I stopped reading at the word 'sharding'

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Originally by: Mister Xerox

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Wow, you guys are new... *LOL*

Before the Castor expansion (which was over 3 years ago), you it was once neccessary to pass through lowsec just to get from one empire to its neighbor. It was the age of high piracy where the few avenues between empires were massively camped by massive pirate fleets in almighty cruisers (and BS, as they became more prevalent). I believe that one of the most notorious was the m0o pirate corp at a chokepoint not far from Yulai.

You want to go /back/ to that? *LOL*

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Originally by: Akita T

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No, it's a trap ! I can tell from some of the modules and from seeing quite a few traps in my time...

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Originally by: Saffron Reynoldes

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I think this is a cool idea. I've also always wanted to see the Empire navies floating about on patrol in the border systems. Would be an interesting way to help limit gate camping in these "border" areas of lowsec if fleets of player ships would move about the systems breaking up camps.......

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Originally by: Tortun Nahme

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this wont change anything except the profit to be had in high sec, the carebears will still never go there and regional tradehubs will get more popular

no one wants to be a victim, so low sec will never be busy, deal with it or move to 0.0

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Originally by: Fenderson

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Originally by: Saffron Reynoldes

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I think this is a cool idea. I've also always wanted to see the Empire navies floating about on patrol in the border systems. Would be an interesting way to help limit gate camping in these "border" areas of lowsec if fleets of player ships would move about the systems breaking up camps.......

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fixed 4 u...

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Originally by: Emina

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I like this idea very much.
There would be the need to add loads of systems in between the empires so there would not be the one bottleneck but loads of possible routes from one Empire to the other.

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Originally by: Emina

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Pros:
Every Empire sub-region would have their own trading hub (or maybe even more)

Cons:
Everyone and their dog would try to camp all possible routes between the empires for easy prey.

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Originally by: Emina

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Addition:
Disallow production of specific modules or whole groups of modules in specific regions, make rats (mission rewards) and what they drop region specific in empires.
This would make trading necessary.

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Originally by: Emina

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How to do it all in a cool way?
Start up a lore conflict. Make the empires want to move out and grab parts of that 0.0 space for themselves. Make them slowly loose their grip on the inner systems basically shifting their influence circle outward. Make system security fluid (we already have sovereignty, adapt that to empire system security)

Damn, I do not really see that happening, but it sure feels nice dreaming about it :)

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Originally by: Kelron Queldine

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I like this idea. People say it will just mean the routes are camped all the time, but if we're talking about a belt of low sec around each empire, then there should be plenty of routes between 2 empires. It would also create the ideal area for factional warfare to take place, as it has already been stated that it will mostly be done in low sec.

It would also make low sec a much more interesting and dangerous place for everyone, not just the haulers getting blown up by pirates. There would be the potential for good profit to be made hauling items between empires, so people would want to risk flying through them. Pirates would obviously be attracted to these areas, but a lot of high-sec players make the mistake of lumping 'Pirates' together as a singular entity- there would be competition between pirates to control the most lucrative areas. And who knows, people might actually work together to try and drive off a pirate camp if it was seriously affecting their income, instead of just hanging around in the last high sec system yelling "Pirate camp, don't jump!"

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