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SirMoric	Posted - 2007.10.09 01:00:00 - [31] Originally by: Grapez and Amarr use flashlights. Unfortunately the Amarr missed the invention of the mirror...... rgds
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.09 02:34:00 - [32] We definitely need Roden Mk II. Especially the Ares and Eris need fixing, and the general ship design on the Roden Shiyards needs to be more focused.
Admiral Nova Strike Team Nova	Posted - 2007.10.09 03:14:00 - [33] Edited by: Admiral Nova on 09/10/2007 03:15:05 It worries me ship functionality is being designed to fit the models rather than the models designed to fit the ships.... If that doesn't immediately raise alarm bells I think some people need to find an entirely new proffession.
Pattern Clarc Reikoku	Posted - 2007.10.09 18:34:00 - [34] ...writes roden mk II speach Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Frug Zenithal Harvest BROTHER'S WORD	Posted - 2007.10.09 18:41:00 - [35] Edited by: Frug on 09/10/2007 18:41:35 You gallente hippies have enough good ships. Stop asking for more. Your stealth bomber has blasters for the same reason our sniper platforms have shield resist bonuses. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2007.10.09 18:52:00 - [36] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 09/10/2007 18:52:05 Originally by: Celedris Lachesis is totally fine as is. Knew you were going to find this thread Cele . PS: I doubt wanting to change the Deimos to being pink and with some missile power is going to happen. Eve Golden Rules
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.09 19:33:00 - [37] Roden design philosophy: Poor number of mids Lack of drones In exchange for: Split weapons system Theres also supposed to be improved armor but I'm not seeing it. We take two drawbacks and balance them with a third, great thinking. Of course this doesn't need fixing at all because Gallente have so many other great pvp ships. /sarcasm Lachesis and Nemesis have been assigned to companies who are the exact reverse of their design philosophy. A texture change could fix this and more effort could be made to assign each shipyard a design philosophy and stick to it in future. Future improvements/nerfs/tweaks made to ships that need them could be used to bring them more in-line with their shipyards. That is of course assuming you don't give shipyards the above noted philosophy of fail.
Pattern Clarc Reikoku	Posted - 2007.10.09 20:29:00 - [38] Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 09/10/2007 20:31:31 Originally by: Frug Edited by: Frug on 09/10/2007 18:41:35 You gallente hippies have enough good ships. Stop asking for more. Your stealth bomber has blasters for the same reason our sniper platforms have shield resist bonuses. Waa? Thats like saying electric cars have exhaust pipes for the same reason birds have wings... In other words, get a clue mate. actually, heres one for free... rokh + rails + 1-2x invul field II = DD proof.. Useful? I'm gunna go with YES Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Elodie Belanger Moonlight Sonata	Posted - 2007.10.09 20:53:00 - [39] Edited by: Elodie Belanger on 09/10/2007 20:54:45 No extensive changing of ship manufacturers on current T2 ships is unneccessary.. This will just overcomplicate things and risk destabilising even more Gallente ships. [Edit] Although a Nemesis/Lachesis switch would make a lot of sense. The current Roden ships just need to be looked at and given a proper identity, and for the love of god the T2 Dominix needs to be made by Creodon and not Roden what are you thinking CCP. The Ares is the only ship I know enough about to consider it confidently. Basically if it's ever going to do anything well, it needs to be turned into a missile tackler which can orbit between 15-20km, run a mwd and disruptor and use standard missiles (another launcher hardpoint added) to drop a modest but not stunning amount of DPS on its target. For the fast tackler role it needs a weapon system that can actually hit anything while going at 5km/s+, which is why the missiles. A bonus to propulsion jamming module cap usage would be a novel and useful bonus instead of one hybrid bonus and a missile explosion velocity (idk I'm not a missile user, this just seemed like it might give it a chance against other inties) instead of the other. I don't see it using rockets because it just can't use a web. This is frankly pretty disappointing because then it's just a Gallente and slightly different version of the Crow and Malediction. I always thought that a Creodron DRONERCEPTOR would be an interesting Gallente response to the Crow. It's the same idea as a nanoCrow with a disruptor - use a weapon system that will hit regardless of how fast your ship is flying around the target - but actually using GALLENTE weapons. It could have, say, 10m^3 drone bay with 20%(?) drone damage per interceptor level instead of the missile bonus and a drone velocity and tracking bonus instead of the hybrid damage bonus. Keep the hybrid tracking bonus, drop the two missiles and add another turret. Wham, a cool ship. Unfortunately I'm rambling and I doubt this will ever happen. Yet all experience is an arch wherethro' Gleams that untravell'd world, whose margin fades For ever and for ever when I move. Tennyson, Ulysses
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2007.10.09 20:56:00 - [40] I *****ed about Ares before, <<sniffles>> she needs to be looked at.
Haffrage Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.09 22:35:00 - [41] Originally by: Elodie Belanger I always thought that a Creodron DRONERCEPTOR would be an interesting Gallente response to the Crow. It's the same idea as a nanoCrow with a disruptor - use a weapon system that will hit regardless of how fast your ship is flying around the target - but actually using GALLENTE weapons. It could have, say, 10m^3 drone bay with 20%(?) drone damage per interceptor level instead of the missile bonus and a drone velocity and tracking bonus instead of the hybrid damage bonus. Keep the hybrid tracking bonus, drop the two missiles and add another turret. Wham, a cool ship. Unfortunately I'm rambling and I doubt this will ever happen. How did you know my solution to the Eris? :D I've had a writeup made for months, just never gotten around to posting it. Basically the same idea, only on the dictor, with 5 light drones and velocity/optimal bonuses with plenty of replacements. Bandwidth is the only thing that makes it possible. T2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers \| Eve GUI Tweaks
Pattern Clarc Reikoku	Posted - 2007.10.10 00:08:00 - [42] Originally by: Haffrage Originally by: Elodie Belanger I always thought that a Creodron DRONERCEPTOR would be an interesting Gallente response to the Crow. It's the same idea as a nanoCrow with a disruptor - use a weapon system that will hit regardless of how fast your ship is flying around the target - but actually using GALLENTE weapons. It could have, say, 10m^3 drone bay with 20%(?) drone damage per interceptor level instead of the missile bonus and a drone velocity and tracking bonus instead of the hybrid damage bonus. Keep the hybrid tracking bonus, drop the two missiles and add another turret. Wham, a cool ship. Unfortunately I'm rambling and I doubt this will ever happen. How did you know my solution to the Eris? :D I've had a writeup made for months, just never gotten around to posting it. Basically the same idea, only on the dictor, with 5 light drones and velocity/optimal bonuses with plenty of replacements. Bandwidth is the only thing that makes it possible. what to compare notes? On a side issuse, until they start making caldari drone ships (which, ironically would be closer to the feel of the origanal lore) then I don't really believe roden ships or any gallente ships should have a missile focus... Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.10 00:12:00 - [43] Originally by: Pattern Clarc Originally by: Haffrage Originally by: Elodie Belanger I always thought that a Creodron DRONERCEPTOR would be an interesting Gallente response to the Crow. It's the same idea as a nanoCrow with a disruptor - use a weapon system that will hit regardless of how fast your ship is flying around the target - but actually using GALLENTE weapons. It could have, say, 10m^3 drone bay with 20%(?) drone damage per interceptor level instead of the missile bonus and a drone velocity and tracking bonus instead of the hybrid damage bonus. Keep the hybrid tracking bonus, drop the two missiles and add another turret. Wham, a cool ship. Unfortunately I'm rambling and I doubt this will ever happen. How did you know my solution to the Eris? :D I've had a writeup made for months, just never gotten around to posting it. Basically the same idea, only on the dictor, with 5 light drones and velocity/optimal bonuses with plenty of replacements. Bandwidth is the only thing that makes it possible. what to compare notes? On a side issuse, until they start making caldari drone ships (which, ironically would be closer to the feel of the origanal lore) then I don't really believe roden ships or any gallente ships should have a missile focus... Caldari went with frigates, gallente upgraded mines into drones to fight them. So how does that fit in at all? --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Pattern Clarc Reikoku	Posted - 2007.10.10 00:20:00 - [44] Originally by: Arana Tellen Caldari went with single pilot fighters, gallente upgraded mines into drones to fight them. Fixed Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.10 00:32:00 - [45] Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 10/10/2007 00:33:26 I never understood why the Enyo and Nemesis were the manufacturers they were. It makes no sence. The ships might be fine, but the lore is broken. Nothing wrong with the Lachesis though. Roden and the ROF missle bonus is fine. Ares does it's job since a few patches ago, that much can be said for most interceptors, ie you see alot less of them these days so it doesn't matter so much. I think the raptor is the only one without a role now. Eris was the only 'dictor not to get a buff besides the Sabre, which sure as hell doesn't need one. Originally by: consider telos ..then we had a fight and he was so dead and then I like became champion of eve and then ccp gave me a medal and a t-shirt and asked me to go out with him on a date to mcD'
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.10 00:45:00 - [46] Those fighters became frigates in response to the drones --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.10 14:29:00 - [47] Originally by: Pattern Clarc On a side issuse, until they start making caldari drone ships (which, ironically would be closer to the feel of the origanal lore) then I don't really believe roden ships or any gallente ships should have a missile focus... The Chimera and Wyvern fill the place of the Caldar fighter boat, they are not vastly superior as the Caldari moved into frigate construction during the war. As for missiles, they were intended to be a secondary weapon for all races, Caldari ships used to focus heavily on rails (yes the raven was a rail boat once), there is no lore to back up a Caldari monopoly on missiles, in fact with the missiles themselves being produce of all the different empires, and the fact that t2 ships are modern modifications on older designs then there really is no reason a shipyard couldn't logically decide to have launchers with one of it's upgrade kits. The original intent was for missiles to be a secondary weapon system. Thankfully that was changed, but the fact that only Caldari (whose role has always been long range sniping which lets face it missiles are useless for) has dedicated missile boats strikes me as wrong. As for drones, I'm not against drone bonuses on Caldari ships, but the main purpose of drones on a long range sniper is to keep tacklers off you since drones won't be traveling the 200km+ to the target. For this task light drones are in fact superior and so the much maligned Caldari drone bay is quite sufficient for it's task. t2 ships with bonuses to sentry drone range and/or damage would be quite fitting however.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.10 14:42:00 - [48] Originally by: Pattern Clarc Eris 8x highs (6 turrets + grid) 2 mids 4 lows That would still make it a useless piece of ****. Intedictors need an mwd, a web and a scram, anything less and you might as well bring a tackling navitas to the battlefield ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Pattern Clarc Reikoku	Posted - 2007.10.11 01:14:00 - [49] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Pattern Clarc Eris 8x highs (6 turrets + grid) 2 mids 4 lows That would still make it a useless piece of ****. Intedictors need an mwd, a web and a scram, anything less and you might as well bring a tackling navitas to the battlefield Dictors are more work able without the usual 3 midslot layout (mainy because of the probe launcher, however it's not right that khanid ships generally have equal mids/lows and the eris has been left in the gutter with the bogey slot layout. Fine - however, for the eris to have the same amount of hit points as the sabre, it would be going 20-40% as fast, doing less damage, without a web or a scram which equals unbalanced. From my point of view, this is fine, bnot all ships are made equal, they just have to have a niche, a reason for using it instead of another in certain situations, and sadley, there just isn't one for the eris.... My suggestion would be to significantly reduce the mass (ie, making faster and compensating for any tank it would carry) improve the grid/cpu, add a turret whilst removing the drone whilst getting rid of the missile bonuses in favour of turret damage, range and tracking bonuses... Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Jennai The Silent Rage M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.11 03:21:00 - [50] Eris badly needs more cpu/grid, it really sucks to fit.
Pattern Clarc Reikoku	Posted - 2007.10.12 02:08:00 - [51] Originally by: Jennai Eris badly needs more cpu/grid, it really sucks to fit. I think it needs more cpu than most, the fly catcher recently got a cpu boost, I think it's time for the eris to be looked at - whilst there at it, the whole roden line. Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus

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