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Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.10.09 15:00:00 - [61] I agree, dump the eyesoars like the Dominix hull for one. Also Known As
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.09 16:57:00 - [62] Originally by: Danton Marcellus I agree, dump the eyesoars like the Dominix hull for one. Fail + 1 --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Masheine	Posted - 2007.10.09 17:04:00 - [63] No new models for these new T2 ships. As an inventor, with invention component prices skyrocketting, and copy queues being as full as they are, I can't afford to pick up another billion+ isk battleship BPO and setup a whole new production line just because people want to look at different polygons. Changing out for a new hull would mess up everything. You want these ships asap after Rev 3 goes live, they need to stay as existing hulls.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.09 17:12:00 - [64] Originally by: Masheine No new models for these new T2 ships. As an inventor, with invention component prices skyrocketting, and copy queues being as full as they are, I can't afford to pick up another billion+ isk battleship BPO and setup a whole new production line just because people want to look at different polygons. Changing out for a new hull would mess up everything. You want these ships asap after Rev 3 goes live, they need to stay as existing hulls. Then again you are getting the ability to choose what you invent so its not all bad Though the lachesis is about to go up in value. With the damp nerf it should serve to make the arazu cheaper though --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Some Caldari Caldari Sanguine Raiders	Posted - 2007.10.09 19:44:00 - [65] Originally by: Lord Oz just FFS someone fix the freaking Raven, im going mad looking at it all day long. Don't buy a character that is pretty much only good for flying the raven then. ------------ Originally by: Banana Torres Gurls are overrated, they nick your money and hurt your ears. Just so you can have limited access to their soft and squishy bits.
Theo Samaritan Gallente Pheonix Reborn	Posted - 2007.10.09 20:06:00 - [66] The bit that stood out most for me in this topic is the claim of CCP throwing millions into eve TV. If the OP had any clue about film and tv prodcution, h would be able to tell that EVE-Tv is far from a 100k budget let alone 1mill. ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion -- Yet another "Edit my sig devs!" request \o/
The Snowman Gallente Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.10.10 08:57:00 - [67] Sorry but I kinda agree! Just using an old model repainted is very drab indeed. The Models should be SLIGHTLY different at least I mean cmon! Its just laziness really, even with cars which use same chasis have a different body styles even if its just a bit of trim! I know that with lag and poor client performance they want to avoid adding models but I REALLY would have thought that as part of Trinity 2 there would have been more tollerance for this. It just seems to me that this "need for speed" initiative is restricting some basic creativity... this IS Sc-Fi after all
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.10 14:08:00 - [68] Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 10/10/2007 14:11:18 A condor is a requirement for building a crow. The crow has a similar slot lay out, similar but improved stats, and additional bonuses. It also has a fat rack of launchers strapped to it's back. This is a prime example of t2. A t2 blueprint does not make a new ship. It "pimps" a t1 ship. It's a conversion, the extra parts and minerals are needed for the replacement and additional parts most of which are internal, though some (like the Eos' chin and the crows back) show heavy external modification. Once done pimpin' a new lick of paint is applied, so all the chicks don't mistake your flash new ship (with 1600mm rims, bucket pod fastenings, and of course fluffy dice) for a standard issue. Since t2 ships aren't new ships, why would they have new models? I could understand a desire for more visible pimpin' but they do have to leave room for t3 (and 4 and 5) which will probably mean taking a t2 upgraded ship and adding even more to it. New models are for new ships, and only t1 (and some faction, though most of those are navy or pirate altered t1 vessels) ships are in fact new. If they create a new tier of t1 ships (or even a new class) you'll see four completely new ships, anything else would just be creating new models for old ships... which strikes me as pointless.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.10 14:09:00 - [69] but then the useless ships with cool models would never be seen in space :) ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.10 14:11:00 - [70] Originally by: Danton Marcellus I agree, dump the eyesoars like the Dominix hull for one. too late it's being change in the graphics update ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.10 14:12:00 - [71] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Danton Marcellus I agree, dump the eyesoars like the Dominix hull for one. too late it's being change in the graphics update Proof naow pls!
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.10 14:15:00 - [72] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Danton Marcellus I agree, dump the eyesoars like the Dominix hull for one. too late it's being change in the graphics update What?! I demand to see your evidence! ------------ Whiners - Unite! \| Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.10 14:18:00 - [73] Edited by: MotherMoon on 10/10/2007 14:18:08 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Danton Marcellus I agree, dump the eyesoars like the Dominix hull for one. too late it's being change in the graphics update What?! I demand to see your evidence! well I've been reading the eve art book, and I've read comments about the art team not liking the the old ship models, and I've look and orgasmed at the new burst. I can only assume :) but it's a damn good assumption. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
DaelinBlackleaf	Posted - 2007.10.10 14:31:00 - [74] Bah, hope and speculation. If they touch the blackbird I shall be most unimpressed, though the Domi is in dire need of some love.
Drenan	Posted - 2007.10.10 15:32:00 - [75] Originally by: DaelinBlackleaf If they touch the blackbird I shall be most unimpressed, though the Domi is in dire need of some love. Stating that you like the current BB model is proof positive that you are either: 1. Taking the p*ss 2. Completely insane. Which is it please?
Some Caldari Caldari Sanguine Raiders	Posted - 2007.10.10 16:04:00 - [76] Originally by: Drenan Originally by: DaelinBlackleaf If they touch the blackbird I shall be most unimpressed, though the Domi is in dire need of some love. Stating that you like the current BB model is proof positive that you are either: 1. Taking the pss 2. Completely insane. Which is it please? HEY! I like the BB too you leave it alone you hear! ------------ Originally by:* Banana Torres Gurls are overrated, they nick your money and hurt your ears. Just so you can have limited access to their soft and squishy bits.
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.12 04:40:00 - [77] Originally by: Drenan Originally by: DaelinBlackleaf If they touch the blackbird I shall be most unimpressed, though the Domi is in dire need of some love. Stating that you like the current BB model is proof positive that you are either: 1. Taking the p*ss 2. Completely insane. Which is it please? I assure you no urine is being absconded with. By a process of elimination that leaves 2. Seriously though I love the Caldari design practicality and lethality before symmetry. They got a smart industrial-military no-nonsense look, the lack of symmetrys add to the effect. "Hey Mick isn't this design meant to be like... symmetrical?" "It's not?" "No." "Still works, right?" "Yup." "Then we'll slap some extra launcher slots on the lighter end." Ever wonder why the Scorp is missing a wing? Because even after pulling segments off a Caldari ship the mass is still too darn high.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:18:00 - [78] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Originally by: Drenan Originally by: DaelinBlackleaf If they touch the blackbird I shall be most unimpressed, though the Domi is in dire need of some love. Stating that you like the current BB model is proof positive that you are either: 1. Taking the p*ss 2. Completely insane. Which is it please? I assure you no urine is being absconded with. By a process of elimination that leaves 2. Seriously though I love the Caldari design practicality and lethality before symmetry. They got a smart industrial-military no-nonsense look, the lack of symmetrys add to the effect. "Hey Mick isn't this design meant to be like... symmetrical?" "It's not?" "No." "Still works, right?" "Yup." "Then we'll slap some extra launcher slots on the lighter end." Ever wonder why the Scorp is missing a wing? Because even after pulling segments off a Caldari ship the mass is still too darn high. So when the ship turns and there's a slight pico-second glitch in the CPU, and the ship rips itself in half because it couldn't balance the thrust along the center of gravity, you're fine with that? I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.12 05:48:00 - [79] Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 12/10/2007 05:49:06 Originally by: F'nog So when the ship turns and there's a slight pico-second glitch in the CPU, and the ship rips itself in half because it couldn't balance the thrust along the center of gravity, you're fine with that? Centre of what now? Mass perhaps? Of course, this happens to me all the time. Except that the thrust from Caldari engines is hardly enough to tear a pretzel in half let alone a starship. Technical Explanation: Caldari graviton doodads do funny things to mass and how it (and therefore thrust) is spread throughout the ship. Such space-time warping tom-foolery is also responsible for the immense mass of Caldari ships... typically the smallest amongst their counterparts. Also no-one wants the main engines next to the shield generator... the guy from Ishukone Support said I shouldn't even be using my waffle iron near there. [EDIT: Removed un-intentional added sarcasm.]
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.10.12 06:00:00 - [80] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 12/10/2007 05:49:06 Originally by: F'nog So when the ship turns and there's a slight pico-second glitch in the CPU, and the ship rips itself in half because it couldn't balance the thrust along the center of gravity, you're fine with that? Centre of what now? Mass perhaps? Of course, this happens to me all the time. Except that the thrust from Caldari engines is hardly enough to tear a pretzel in half let alone a starship. Technical Explanation: Caldari graviton doodads do funny things to mass and how it (and therefore thrust) is spread throughout the ship. Such space-time warping tom-foolery is also responsible for the immense mass of Caldari ships... typically the smallest amongst their counterparts. Also no-one wants the main engines next to the shield generator... the guy from Ishukone Support said I shouldn't even be using my waffle iron near there. [EDIT: Removed un-intentional added sarcasm.] Gravity? Mass? It's all in how you express the equation. But I give you props for use of a waffle iron. Good on you! I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
Delichon Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.12 06:16:00 - [81] But you can't change BB, you can't make it... gulp... symetric! It will pose the ECM projecting modifiers too close to capacitor circuts, causing a Ishikura-Gallon effect, that will negatively... Well, I mean, you just can't! Next thing, you will want to redesign Moa, for all good and holy!
UGWidowmaker Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.10.12 06:28:00 - [82] well i agree to some point. t2 ships could be a litlle difrent, as something is added to the t1 hull i would exspect to see some more stuff on the t2 version. like more guns a bit bigger/smaller an extra radar og some cool animation like on the mining capital.. just something really... OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
Some Caldari Caldari Sanguine Raiders	Posted - 2007.10.12 08:00:00 - [83] Originally by: Delichon Next thing, you will want to redesign Moa, for all good and holy! That won't happen, the Moa is simply beyond help hell the designer of the Moa committed suicide shortly after. A post-it note was found on the body later just saying "I'm sorry." ------------ Originally by: Banana Torres Gurls are overrated, they nick your money and hurt your ears. Just so you can have limited access to their soft and squishy bits.
Dezzereth Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.12 08:07:00 - [84] Originally by: General Cane Hey hoo, is it sooo damn hard to create a handfull new models for new ships in the game? cmon ccp... "ouhh our players are bored, let adjust some stats of this ship and paint it pink! yarr" ... "ouhhh blackops battleships... hmmm ah just take some old standard hull" Same with the damn commandships... seems all you can do is to change colors on existing models (or replace the texture whatever). Dear CCP, you pushed out millions for this useless EVE-TV, what about invest just a little piece of this money in some design guys, for a 3d guy it really isnt this hard to create some **** spaceship model. Tons of Ships there but allways the same damn models, you call this creative? bah You call this well thought through? bah! Shut Up ... seriously. Get a clue, or maybe two and abstain from posting for the next ..... well... how about 2 years? Please? Pretty Please?
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.10.12 08:12:00 - [85] I want more T1 ships. --- Join BH-DL
The Snowman Gallente Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.10.12 08:29:00 - [86] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 10/10/2007 14:11:18 Since t2 ships aren't new ships, why would they have new models? You dont really know anything about spaceship engineering do you? Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf I could understand a desire for more visible pimpin' but they do have to leave room for t3 (and 4 and 5) which will probably mean taking a t2 upgraded ship and adding even more to it. And this is the point really, isnt it?... according to your logic tech 3 ships will be the same again.... but a different colour, and tech 4 ships... same again, different colour!.. So what your really saying is that CCP doesnt ever need to create any new models ever again? we are to be looking at the same shape dominix for now and forever? Is this actually how the creative human mind works? Whenever humans create new versions of anything it gets a completly new look, Imagine if FORD kept the same SHELL design for its mondeo and subsequent models? Ok maybe you dont want to compare actual human designs, look at any Sci-fi program.. say Startrek!.. Every time they create a new enterprise.. it looks similar to the old version and yet different! Look all we are asking for is a bit more trim... a bit of flashing, an extra module stuck on, a spoiler!... ANYTHING! Just not the same damn thing over and over again... There is only so much you can do with colour!
UGWidowmaker Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.10.12 08:32:00 - [87] Originally by: The Snowman Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 10/10/2007 14:11:18 Since t2 ships aren't new ships, why would they have new models? You dont really know anything about spaceship engineering do you? Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf I could understand a desire for more visible pimpin' but they do have to leave room for t3 (and 4 and 5) which will probably mean taking a t2 upgraded ship and adding even more to it. And this is the point really, isnt it?... according to your logic tech 3 ships will be the same again.... but a different colour, and tech 4 ships... same again, different colour!.. So what your really saying is that CCP doesnt ever need to create any new models ever again? we are to be looking at the same shape dominix for now and forever? Is this actually how the creative human mind works? Whenever humans create new versions of anything it gets a completly new look, Imagine if FORD kept the same SHELL design for its mondeo and subsequent models? Ok maybe you dont want to compare actual human designs, look at any Sci-fi program.. say Startrek!.. Every time they create a new enterprise.. it looks similar to the old version and yet different! Look all we are asking for is a bit more trim... a bit of flashing, an extra module stuck on, a spoiler!... ANYTHING! Just not the same damn thing over and over again... There is only so much you can do with colour! /signed OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
Ilvan	Posted - 2007.10.12 08:52:00 - [88] I'm going to throw my alt-hat in with the 'Not a big deal' crowd. If CCP starts reusing artwork for entirely new classes/tiers, then yeah, I'll be annoyed. But ships that are essentially remodels of an original do not need to look drastically different than what they're based on.
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.12 13:11:00 - [89] Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 12/10/2007 13:11:23 Originally by: The Snowman Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Since t2 ships aren't new ships, why would they have new models? You dont really know anything about spaceship engineering do you? I take one Condor, I add a modification kit, I get a Crow... it's still the same hull. If you have proof to contradict the blueprints please feel free to post it. -------------------------- Originally by: The Snowman And this is the point really, isnt it?... according to your logic tech 3 ships will be the same again.... but a different colour, and tech 4 ships... same again, different colour!.. Yes, that's obviously what I meant when I posted... Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf I could understand a desire for more visible pimpin' but they do have to leave room for t3 (and 4 and 5) which will probably mean taking a t2 upgraded ship and adding even more to it. -------------------------- Originally by: The Snowman So what your really saying is that CCP doesnt ever need to create any new models ever again? we are to be looking at the same shape dominix for now and forever? Is this actually how the creative human mind works? No what I was really saying was... Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf New models are for new ships, and only t1 (and some faction, though most of those are navy or pirate altered t1 vessels) ships are in fact new. If they create a new tier of t1 ships (or even a new class) you'll see four completely new ships, anything else would just be creating new models for old ships... which strikes me as pointless. -------------------------- Originally by: The Snowman Whenever humans create new versions of anything it gets a completly new look, Imagine if FORD kept the same SHELL design for its mondeo and subsequent models? I take a Ford Mustang and some modification design specs. Using these and the parts specified I replace the transmission, the engine, add a supercharger, change the chip, and paint it in metallic black. It's still a Ford Mustang... it's a "t2" Ford Mustang. Originally by: The Snowman Ok maybe you dont want to compare actual human designs, look at any Sci-fi program.. say Startrek!.. Every time they create a new enterprise.. it looks similar to the old version and yet different! Did they take the NCC-1701-D and modify it to make the NCC-1701-E? No the E class was a completely different ship... sure it looked similar, but you can rest assured it's build components didn't call for "1x NCC-1701-D." Originally by: The Snowman Look all we are asking for is a bit more trim... a bit of flashing, an extra module stuck on, a spoiler!... ANYTHING! Just not the same damn thing over and over again... Yes, that is what WE are asking for, though in many cases it is what we already have. Reading Comprehension ftw.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.12 13:15:00 - [90] my wolf looks DAMN different than my rifter. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...

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