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Leonidas Rex Amarr FM Corp Insomnia.	Posted - 2007.10.08 11:56:00 - [31] Originally by: General Cane Hey hoo, is it sooo damn hard to create a handfull new models for new ships in the game? cmon ccp... "ouhh our players are bored, let adjust some stats of this ship and paint it pink! yarr" ... "ouhhh blackops battleships... hmmm ah just take some old standard hull" Same with the damn commandships... seems all you can do is to change colors on existing models (or replace the texture whatever). Dear CCP, you pushed out millions for this useless EVE-TV, what about invest just a little piece of this money in some design guys, for a 3d guy it really isnt this hard to create some **** spaceship model. Tons of Ships there but allways the same damn models, you call this creative? bah Graphic card draw calls dude... Draw calls!
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.10.08 12:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Haffrage That's what T2 is mate. Didn't you see the part in the description where it says Hull? Why does it have to be like that though? They can do it the otherway around, say that most of the inside of the ship has been altered so they needed a new hull for it. Yes they could, but they chose not to. Besides, if you buy a Ford car, strip it apart and then buy new Chevolet part to build the "upgraded" car, have you then actually upgraded the Ford? Nothing in the new car comes from the Ford, its all Chevolet parts.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.08 13:11:00 - [33] I wish when they'd developed the Nighthawk they'd worked out how to make it fly in the right direction. Oh and found some proper black paint -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.08 15:03:00 - [34] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Haffrage That's what T2 is mate. Didn't you see the part in the description where it says Hull? Why does it have to be like that though? They can do it the otherway around, say that most of the inside of the ship has been altered so they needed a new hull for it. They could, but then each T2 ship would probably take twice as long to make it into the game. ------------ Whiners - Unite! \| Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist.
Snake Doctor Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.08 15:35:00 - [35] Originally by: General Cane Hey hoo, is it sooo damn hard to create a handfull new models for new ships in the game? cmon ccp... "ouhh our players are bored, let adjust some stats of this ship and paint it pink! yarr" ... "ouhhh blackops battleships... hmmm ah just take some old standard hull" Same with the damn commandships... seems all you can do is to change colors on existing models (or replace the texture whatever). Dear CCP, you pushed out millions for this useless EVE-TV, what about invest just a little piece of this money in some design guys, for a 3d guy it really isnt this hard to create some **** spaceship model. Tons of Ships there but allways the same damn models, you call this creative? bah You're OBVIOUSLY a HUGE FAN of nethack Rifter Flight Manual!
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.08 16:25:00 - [36] Ho hum. "We bringz you walk in stations and stuff!" NOOO! Fix this! "We fixor this for youz!" NOOO! Bring fluff! "...we give you fluff?" NOOOO!!! Unsink my battleship! "...we cancel your subscription..." NOOOOOO!!! My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.08 16:44:00 - [37] Originally by: Jermaine Jackson OR FIX BUGS OR FIX DRONES OR MAKE AMBULATION General Cane, you have no Idea what it Takes to Develop a Game. You Just Throw Your Toys Out of the Pram Because You WANT WANT WANT ahma a skilled 3dsmax guy can make a ship in less than two hour. ahma a skilled pgm can hunt a bug in less than 3 hours. do the math. anyway... 2isk
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.08 16:45:00 - [38] Originally by: Meleia Originally by: midge Mo'yb um tech2 is tech1 but "upgraded" no new models needed Yea, and then T3 comes along and there will never be a new ship in EVE. How fun. Not. qft ? 2isk
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.08 16:48:00 - [39] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 08/10/2007 16:50:10 Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 08/10/2007 16:48:11 Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn ahma a skilled 3dsmax guy can make a ship in less than two hour. cough Yeah. That's "true". If people think it's that easy, no wonder they want so much You CAN model a ship in two hours. If you forget you need the original design for it, collision models, lods, textures, lights, game mehcnical pivots(and such) etc etc. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Akkarin Pagan Minmatar Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.08 16:55:00 - [40] You're obviously playing a different way to me. When I pew pew, I hardly ever see my ship. Anyway, It's not how a ship looks that matters, It's how it performs. Akkarin Hopefully the mods won't play with this one <3 - Immy
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.08 17:01:00 - [41] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn ahma a skilled 3dsmax guy can make a ship in less than two hour. ahma a skilled pgm can hunt a bug in less than 3 hours. ------------ Whiners - Unite! \| Posting and You Tarminic - Forum Warfare Specialist.
Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.10.08 17:08:00 - [42] Wow, what an ******* this OP is. Everybody likes new ship models, but clearly you don't understand what T2 is. Even if that wasn't a factor such a nice post like yours is sure to make the devs want to care about your outright demands. I love posts like this, where people in the player base think CCP owes them something, and should nerf this, change that and immedietly take care of another thing. A couple years ago, these forums were still just as harsh but seemed to be populated by people who appreciated the game they were playing and what CCP was doing. Now people talk like they invented EVE, CCP took THIER idea and is changing thier vision. Ok I'm off to suicide gank somebody moving valuables in an unprotected hauler in high sec who isn't aware of it yet, but in mere moments will be making a post about how unfair it was and how we shouldn't be able to activate our high slots in .5 and above. Or something similar to that I'm sure. "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Snake Doctor Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.08 17:25:00 - [43] Originally by: Redpants Wow, what an ******* this OP is. Everybody likes new ship models, but clearly you don't understand what T2 is. Even if that wasn't a factor such a nice post like yours is sure to make the devs want to care about your outright demands. I love posts like this, where people in the player base think CCP owes them something, and should nerf this, change that and immedietly take care of another thing. A couple years ago, these forums were still just as harsh but seemed to be populated by people who appreciated the game they were playing and what CCP was doing. Now people talk like they invented EVE, CCP took THIER idea and is changing thier vision. Ok I'm off to suicide gank somebody moving valuables in an unprotected hauler in high sec who isn't aware of it yet, but in mere moments will be making a post about how unfair it was and how we shouldn't be able to activate our high slots in .5 and above. Or something similar to that I'm sure. QFMFT, ATW. Rifter Flight Manual!
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.08 17:47:00 - [44] 4 New battlecruisers 4 New Battleships A transforming capital ship All this shortly before they completely re-haul the entire engine and re-work all the models. There really is no pleasing some people.
Snake Doctor Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.08 17:50:00 - [45] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf 4 New battlecruisers 4 New Battleships A transforming capital ship All this shortly before they completely re-haul the entire engine and re-work all the models. There really is no pleasing some people. God, I'm glad someone said it. Yeah-- you can't pay your modelers in ISK. Rifter Flight Manual!
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.10.08 17:50:00 - [46] I have to say I agree with the title of this thread. I did not read this thread cause I could careless what other people think about it, but yes, I am seriously disappointed that we did not get brand new completely different ship models. Pretty lame if you ask me. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.08 18:18:00 - [47] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 08/10/2007 18:20:58 Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 08/10/2007 18:19:58 I'll try, from own gamedev experience, give an "estimate example" of what designing a ship would be like: 1: Someone, most likely in the art department, designs a ship. This is usually done by drawing. 2: The drawing/design goes to the lead designer, head honcho, who looks if it's "in sync" with the rest of the style. 3: Corrections/suggestions/ideas are thrown around. 4: A common ground has been reached and the drawing goes to the modelling guy. 5: The modeller makes an initial model of the ship and shows it to the artist and/or lead designer. 6: Same as 3, corrections/suggestions/ideas. 7: Model is approved and the "finalising" of the model itself begins. 8: Model complete. 9: Either the modeller or the artist(while the model is built) creates a texture for the ship and "wraps"(not that easy) it on the ship. This might involve and/or exclude the following; basic texture, reflection maps, illumination maps(lights on the windows you see) and so forth. 10: Check up stage. Ideas/suggestions/etc. 11: Model is complete and skinned, meaning it has the texture. 12: Final check up with lead designer. 13: The modeller now creates the collision model(which in this case is probably a per-set bubble) around the ship. 14: All other jigwigs, pivots(the point the ship rotates around) and such are put in place for the game engine. So that the ship can actually BE in the game. 15: Effects are put in place(meaning the flashylight things you see, engine burns, place of fire when ship is on structure, etc) 16: Lights are put in place(i think i noticed that the effects "shine" from the ship hull, so light sources are needed). 17: LOD, low polygon models, of the ship are made so when you zoom out/in, it changes accordingly, causing less precious lag. 18: All necessary "screenshots" of the ship are taken, for BPO/C's, market, etc. 19: Final testing of the model and implementing it into the game. 20: Wait for the code department to do THEIR job on the ship, add both together, stuck it in and fly it. Those are just SOME of the steps i could think off, just as an example, of how one ship is made. At all stages, tests and check ups are made, to see that nothing is broken. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.10.08 21:28:00 - [48] Originally by: Snake Doctor Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf 4 New battlecruisers 4 New Battleships A transforming capital ship All this shortly before they completely re-haul the entire engine and re-work all the models. There really is no pleasing some people. God, I'm glad someone said it. Yeah-- you can't pay your modelers in ISK. Actually, CCP does pay its modelers in ISK. I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
Snake Doctor Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.08 21:38:00 - [49] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Snake Doctor Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf 4 New battlecruisers 4 New Battleships A transforming capital ship All this shortly before they completely re-haul the entire engine and re-work all the models. There really is no pleasing some people. God, I'm glad someone said it. Yeah-- you can't pay your modelers in ISK. Actually, CCP does pay its modelers in ISK. Really? I thought they paid them in Beer. Ah, damn. You got me there. I guess that's their currency, isn't it. I was referring to Interstellar Kredits. Rifter Flight Manual!
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.08 21:52:00 - [50] Originally by: Kayna Eelai while i agree that T1->T2->T3 progression is boring and lame when it comes to design (and hell of lazy from CCP) i also prefer them to give bug fixing a higher priority. however, what u all seem to miss, is that they have different teams working on different stuff... by freeing bugfixing developers they would not increase designing, as it's totally different departements. and i believe that each departement (specially design) has many sub-departements. the guys who design the new "walking in station" will probably not have to do anything with designing new ships. Yeah so damn lazy remodelling every damn ******* ship in the game -F for EPIC failure. --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.08 21:55:00 - [51] nah its not an epic fail, it doesn't rate nearly high enough to be epic its such a fail that it doesn't even qualify as epic! Originally by: Akita T No, it's a trap ! I can tell from some of the modules and from seeing quite a few traps in my time...
illusionary beauty Raid Industries	Posted - 2007.10.08 21:59:00 - [52] Originally by: General Cane Hey hoo, is it sooo damn hard to create a handfull new models for new ships in the game? cmon ccp... "ouhh our players are bored, let adjust some stats of this ship and paint it pink! yarr" ... "ouhhh blackops battleships... hmmm ah just take some old standard hull" Same with the damn commandships... seems all you can do is to change colors on existing models (or replace the texture whatever). Dear CCP, you pushed out millions for this useless EVE-TV, what about invest just a little piece of this money in some design guys, for a 3d guy it really isnt this hard to create some **** spaceship model. Tons of Ships there but allways the same damn models, you call this creative? bah Marauders are getting some sort of siege module thingy. Black ops are getting the ability to jump bridge, gate travel, and cyno jump.
Lord Oz	Posted - 2007.10.08 22:06:00 - [53] just FFS someone fix the freaking Raven, im going mad looking at it all day long.
Haffrage Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.08 22:18:00 - [54] Originally by: Lord Oz just FFS someone fix the freaking Raven, im going mad looking at it all day long. 1: don't fly caldari 2: the raven looks fine 3: if you think it's bad now, wait until the high res model is out T2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers \| Eve GUI Tweaks
Some Caldari Caldari Sanguine Raiders	Posted - 2007.10.08 23:07:00 - [55] Originally by: illusionary beauty Marauders are getting some sort of siege module thingy. If that's true then maybe they'll transform slightly like the dreads and ORE cap? I'd like to see what the Raven and Mega transform into. ------------ Originally by: Banana Torres Gurls are overrated, they nick your money and hurt your ears. Just so you can have limited access to their soft and squishy bits.
Vodka Neat Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.10.08 23:48:00 - [56] Yeah! Chevy is doing the same thing. My friend has a '06 Silverado with a V6 then I got one with a V8 and they look exactly the same. I went over to my friends car and took a baseball bat to the hood, now we can tell the difference. Why are you still reading? Its over. Continue to the next post.
Airdorn Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.09 02:09:00 - [57] Keep the 't2 is really t1 ships with pretty colors' paradigm, but please for all things holy.. get hat ugly thing off the chin of the Eos.
Kwint Sommer Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2007.10.09 02:37:00 - [58] Originally by: Jermaine Jackson OR FIX BUGS Ya Originally by: Jermaine Jackson OR FIX DRONES Sounds good Originally by: Jermaine Jackson OR MAKE AMBULATION What the ****? How did that make the list?
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.09 13:53:00 - [59] Originally by: Lord Oz just FFS someone fix the freaking Raven, im going mad looking at it all day long. Complaining about the unsymetrical Caldari ships is like complaining about Minmatar rust, Amarr gold, or gallente gigerishness. And Sheriff you missed the point where at almost every step you have to go back to the previous step and change something.. and the step where your half-way through and the concept artist comes up with a better design and all your work is scrapped, and the step where the model is completed and the poly count is too high requiring fundamental changes... and... good list though.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.09 13:56:00 - [60] I can sort of empathize with the OP on this. Of course the concept of T2 is a T1 hull variant, but I personally am hoping that the new models coming with the graphics update will give the T2 variants a bit more of a differentiating touch (design wise). warp drive active \| nature vraie

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