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Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.08 21:19:00 - [61] Are you able to even upgrade video cards in a laptop? -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected])
Lastdon	Posted - 2007.10.08 21:21:00 - [62] Don't confuse having to purchase a new OS (Vista) with having to upgrade your graphics card. DX 10 is part of Vista so if you have a computer that meets the requirements to run vista you shouldn't have to purchase a new $300 graphics card. Also if the new graphics engine bogs down a modern PC(PC's that are no more then a year and half old), then CCP did a terrible job. DX 9 has been around for awhile now.
Azrael Maxim Flexible Demeanour	Posted - 2007.10.09 01:24:00 - [63] Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX Don't worry if your graphics card doesn't do the specific shader model 3 (x800's etc.) You will still be able to use the new version of eve, but the full effects will not be seen like on the SM3.0 cards. You will see the new models, the new effects, just not all of them. CCP explorer has said otherwise, if your card does not support sm3.0 you will not be able to use the new graphic engine. So get a card that supports sm3.0 if you do want to see the new graphics engine.
Komisarzzawada Gallente Pink Bunnies C0VEN	Posted - 2007.10.09 09:10:00 - [64] different question, will the game run faster, on the dx8 version? ________________ piwates? zomg.
William Caldwell Gallente ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.09 10:51:00 - [65] Though I'll be happy finnaly to get to play eve (since beta) on a new graphics engine, did CCP leave the old/current graphics engine on the Software DX8 platform still or did you moved/optimized it for Hardware when rewriting the new grahics engine for trinity II Or it's just gonna be the same old old old classical version left untouched as we are using right now And CCP please post new trinity II pics of the thanatos/nyx in the dev blog!
William Caldwell Gallente ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.09 10:54:00 - [66] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Are you able to even upgrade video cards in a laptop? Yes you can but only on a few select MXM enabled laptops which are basically very rare! linky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MXM
Sky Marshal Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.09 11:17:00 - [67] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 09/10/2007 11:18:42 Edited by: Sky Marshal on 09/10/2007 11:18:29 Will we have more options in the graphics section ? To permit users to find a compromise between performances and effects, unlike the actual "All or Nothing". I hope one day that I can activate Scramble Effect but not Turrets (that I can finally know who is the ***** who tackle me ) or reduce Explosion complexity to boost performance, etc...
Cyan Nuevo Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships	Posted - 2007.10.09 15:28:00 - [68] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX Don't worry if your graphics card doesn't do the specific shader model 3 (x800's etc.) You will still be able to use the new version of eve, but the full effects will not be seen like on the SM3.0 cards. You will see the new models, the new effects, just not all of them. Official confirmation would be appreciated greatly. Here. And Vista isn't that bad, get over your nerd rage. --- Proud Amarr pilot.
Mesacc Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.09 15:44:00 - [69] Anyone familiar with ATI 9500 pro and ATI 9550? Do they suport the SM3? I hope I dont have to upgrade both of my PCs! Yes I know it will run on the classic, I want the upgraded stuff.
Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.09 16:03:00 - [70] Originally by: Mesacc Anyone familiar with ATI 9500 pro and ATI 9550? Do they suport the SM3? I hope I dont have to upgrade both of my PCs! Yes I know it will run on the classic, I want the upgraded stuff. Neither of those cards support SM3.0. You'll need a GeForce 6 or ATI Radeon X1300 at minimum for SM3.0.
Blind Man Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.09 16:03:00 - [71] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX Don't worry if your graphics card doesn't do the specific shader model 3 (x800's etc.) You will still be able to use the new version of eve, but the full effects will not be seen like on the SM3.0 cards. You will see the new models, the new effects, just not all of them. Official confirmation would be appreciated greatly. hes wrong or they wouldn't have said you need a SM3.0 card .. you will have NO CHANGE in gfx in rev3 if you don't have a SM3.0 capable card..
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.09 16:51:00 - [72] Originally by: Blind Man Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX Don't worry if your graphics card doesn't do the specific shader model 3 (x800's etc.) You will still be able to use the new version of eve, but the full effects will not be seen like on the SM3.0 cards. You will see the new models, the new effects, just not all of them. Official confirmation would be appreciated greatly. hes wrong or they wouldn't have said you need a SM3.0 card .. you will have NO CHANGE in gfx in rev3 if you don't have a SM3.0 capable card.. I thought the DX8 engine was recieving a tweak too? --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Larshus Magrus Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.10.09 16:57:00 - [73] BITS is crap. 1) It doesn't work. Its assumptions on bandwidth are horribly flawed. Its nothing at all like a bit torrent client that lets you set those parameters yourself. 2) Its known to corrupt downloads. Why not just use a torrent application (WoW anyone?) and let the user throttle the download him/herself?
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.09 17:22:00 - [74] Originally by: Arana Tellen hes wrong or they wouldn't have said you need a SM3.0 card .. you will have NO CHANGE in gfx in rev3 if you don't have a SM3.0 capable card.. I thought the DX8 engine was recieving a tweak too? What CCP Explorer seems to be saying (and what makes the most sense): There will be just one graphics engine, Trinity II, whichever version you install. Trinity II has two render paths inside it. One requires DX8 and has hardware requirements identical to the current client. The other requires DX9 SM3 and therefore may not work on older graphics cards. This is the same approach that pretty much every modern game takes, they tend to just hide it behind "high" or "ultra" quality settings that simply don't appear if your hardware isn't up to it. Maintaining different render paths in the same engine is also vastly easier than trying to maintain two different engines, which is why I'm certain this is the route they will have taken. Going for the "classic" install simply means you use the existing models and textures, run through the DX8 render path of Trinity II. As Trinity II will be making proper use of your graphics card via either path, this is still likely to offer much improved performance over the current client, even if it doesn't improve the appearance. Opting to install the enhanced graphics download will give you the new models and textures, and allow you to use the DX9 SM3 render path, which will give you better-looking graphics in addition to the other advantages of the new engine. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.10.09 17:28:00 - [75] For all the ex WoW players can we have some sort of graphical presentation about the concept of having 2 and then 3 clients? There could be pretty pictures with flowers, kittys, and fluffy bunnies. Maybe some sort of finger puppetry could be included? Come on people, keep up ============================================
RedWyvern Gallente FireStar Inc	Posted - 2007.10.09 17:46:00 - [76] You've all forgotten the most important question: will the bells and whistles of the new engine turn EVE's rainbow starscapes into a psychedelic headache-causing nightmare, or will we finally be granted true 'dark' space? It'd really help make things more atmospheric. -------------------------------------------------- Loyalty, Integrity, Honour.
Rimhawk Caldari Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2007.10.11 15:13:00 - [77] A worry I have about the upgrade is the performance of the new client. I have a decent system (P4 3.0 GHz Hyperthreading, 2 GB of RAM and a Geforce 7800). Currently it has a dual-screen setup and I can easily run 2 EVE clients simultaneously. But will I still be able to do that with the new client? .
Commoner Caldari Backyard Gankstars	Posted - 2007.10.11 15:35:00 - [78] Edited by: Commoner on 11/10/2007 15:35:30 Why no render path for a SM2 capable card? I mean current eve doesn't really used pixel shaders, you kinda skipped 3 generations... :P Would be cool if on of your graphics gurus told us which feutures of SM3 you're using :) The worst pvp'er in EVE :
shags CyberDyne Industries	Posted - 2007.10.11 15:38:00 - [79] Originally by: Matthew Going for the "classic" install simply means you use the existing models and textures, run through the DX8 render path of Trinity II. As Trinity II will be making proper use of your graphics card via either path, this is still likely to offer much improved performance over the current client, even if it doesn't improve the appearance. Hopefully this is the case. I'm the type of person that really doesn't care what the game looks like as long as the game play is good (counter-strike 1.6 anyone). I end up playing on an older laptop most of the time (1.6ghz p4 mobile, 512 ram, gf4go 440) with no sound or effects turned on. hopefully this patch will make the game a little more playable even for me.
Asestorian Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.10.11 15:42:00 - [80] My interpretation was always that there was just going to be the current graphics engine and the new graphics engine, hence why CCP have said it will be optional to download the new engine, which will be large, or just patch to Rev III, which will be small. --- ---
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.10.11 15:56:00 - [81] Originally by: Andrue There's a client? You mean to tell me after 3.5 years that it isn't just a forum I'm paying for? Wow Not often I laugh out loud at forums! Nice one!
Alora Venoda Caldari GalTech	Posted - 2007.10.11 23:25:00 - [82] I have an NVidia GeForce 6800 and it looks like it supports DX9SM3 I read this on the NVidia product info page: Quote: The NVIDIA GeForce 6 Series of GPUs provides a groundbreaking feature set for computing, including full support for Microsoft« DirectX« 9.0 Shader Model 3.0 for unparalleled gaming effects. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
D'wayne	Posted - 2007.10.11 23:37:00 - [83] Just to be provocative... What is the point of the DX10 client? So far the API has turned out to be a joke: no big graphical benefit in any titles so far, massive performance hit, need to install Vista, etc. And need to buy an expensive graphics card like an 8800GTX, that may not support DX10.1 when it gets released.
Lea Re Caldari Dirty Labs	Posted - 2007.10.11 23:59:00 - [84] in case you were worried about your hardware... the classic client won't see many changes in gfx. so your old rig will probably run just about the same. regarding vista. i'm not using it myself, but the whole 'vista sucks' is outdated tbh. initially, nvidia drivers were poor but also the way vista adressed virtual memory was crap. so, all gaming benchmarks were much worse on vista (although video encoding for example was quicker). since then things have changed, so before you post any 'vista sucks' comments, do some research.
Temp Boi Gr0und Zer0	Posted - 2007.10.15 07:29:00 - [85] Originally by: Kelron Queldine Originally by: Sleepkevert Shader model 3 cards are: (I'm not totaly sure on this tough, if someone knows better, please tell) Nvidia 6800 and up and ati x800 and up Nvidia 6xxx and up. ATI X1xxx and up. The X800 range does not support SM3.0. ****.
Solant Minmatar Ventis Secundis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.15 08:10:00 - [86] Originally by: Temp Boi Originally by: Kelron Queldine Originally by: Sleepkevert Shader model 3 cards are: (I'm not totaly sure on this tough, if someone knows better, please tell) Nvidia 6800 and up and ati x800 and up Nvidia 6xxx and up. ATI X1xxx and up. The X800 range does not support SM3.0. ****. wow. thanks for necroing a 4 day old thread to add asterisks really. you're great.
Temp Boi Gr0und Zer0	Posted - 2007.10.16 05:52:00 - [87] Originally by: Solant Originally by: Temp Boi Originally by: Kelron Queldine Originally by: Sleepkevert Shader model 3 cards are: (I'm not totaly sure on this tough, if someone knows better, please tell) Nvidia 6800 and up and ati x800 and up Nvidia 6xxx and up. ATI X1xxx and up. The X800 range does not support SM3.0. ****. wow. thanks for necroing a 4 day old thread to add asterisks really. you're great. Sure thing mate, anytime.
Oedus Caro Caldari Cross Roads	Posted - 2007.10.16 06:15:00 - [88] Originally by: Asestorian Originally by: Kelron Queldine The X800 range does not support SM3.0. Confirmed. Oh dear... guess my X300 is totally out.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.16 06:34:00 - [89] This is from the Trinity 2 engine thread.. Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Helison Just to get this correct: With a card without SM 3.0 we will have to get a 1.3GB client, but we won¦t get any graphical improvements? Bad news No, without SM3 you will only have to download a 15-30 MB update with the new Trinity graphics engine and the new code for the expansion. So what I see is happening is that everyone gets the new gpu enabled graphics engine but only those with SM3 enabled cards will get the new models and shiney new effects.. Hence the 900mb background dl for those SM3 card owners.. Awesome.. But.. Has the DX8 client been optimized in any other way past the ability to use the gpu? Specifically I want to know if lodding has been added to the DX8 client.. If not then its going to lag almost as bad as the current client when you get a bunch of capitols and such onscreen as they always render at full polys and texture resolution even when zoomed all the way out.. Which is why we get such aweful client lag in big battles.. Please tell me just a part of those 50 man years was spent adding a lod for each DX8 ship.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.16 07:57:00 - [90] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Specifically I want to know if lodding has been added to the DX8 client. If not then its going to lag almost as bad as the current client when you get a bunch of capitols and such onscreen as they always render at full polys and texture resolution even when zoomed all the way out.. Which is why we get such aweful client lag in big battles.. Please tell me just a part of those 50 man years was spent adding a lod for each DX8 ship.. Unless you're running a completely different client to me, or have deliberately unticked the "use LOD" option in the graphics section, there already is LOD in use. Some of it is amazingly ugly at certain distances, and there have been oddities such as ships changing colour at certain LOD levels (usually with the T2 ships and someone forgetting to edit a LOD layer), but it is there. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.

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