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Garak Jakobs
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.23 12:57:00 -
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Reading these topics, I find myself in deep thought about the current state of Incursions and the null sec players moaning about said incursions.
The main school of thought here is Risk Vs Reward. I ask you, what risk is there in 0.0 when surrounded by a large alliance quite willing to hot drop a Tengu with supers?
In actual truth Incursions are mostly run by 0.0 alts earning money to buy supers and titans etc.
I believe that high sec people who enjoy that section of the game should have access to incursions and the money they bring in. Mostly because high sec is for the most part, solo work.
0.0 is hardly ever solo, especially when in a large alliance.
How risky can 0.0 be when you have Intel channels? you know what's coming system before they reach you. Therefore I ask again where is this so called uber risk that demands 0.0 to have all of eve goodies?
With all this said I am of course an alt of a 0.0 patron but feel the entire argument is out of hand by people with no job and no life and do nothing more than sit at the computer looking at pretty pixels all day and night fighting for there alliance.
High sec deserves some love, plain and simple!
The higher population of this game lives in Empire, 0.0 is the minority that is absolute pure fact. You'd think the bigger player base would get some love from CCP for this very reason.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:01:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote:In actual truth Incursions are mostly run by 0.0 alts earning money to buy supers and titans etc. Oh, really...?
Quote:High sec deserves some love, plain and simple! Sure. It doesn't need to come in the form of massive ISK injections, though.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
2078
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:14:00 -
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Ohhhhhh!!
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Remajstor
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:24:00 -
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high sec should be removed from the game... |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:26:00 -
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Came in expecting a flame against the high sec incursion whiners and found another one. Here we go again. |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:35:00 -
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Remajstor wrote: high sec should be removed from the game...
So that the entire game becomes a cesspit of gate campers and thousands of players sitting in stations too scared to go out because they know they'll immediately lose their ships and not be able to make anymore ISK?
GTFO.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:40:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:Artemis Picoazaksat wrote:What is the difference in Risk-Reward between incursions and a -1.0 dead end system that is cyno jammed and the gate rapecaged by T2 large bubbles with a intel channel? Unless there is a hoard of nullified T3 you are safe to farm that system to your hearts content. I admit I farmed incursion for a while so I did not need to rat and could just PVP until I ran out of isk.
I mean personally I blame Adolf, Communism and Solar Flares but that is just me. Because we all know that cyno jammers, bubbles and intel channels come free with sov... But really, the players out in null (not just null, this applies to lowsec and wh space) make it safe for themselves and their alliance. Incursion runners are protected by concord. One is automatic and the other requires effort and team work.
Shamelessly quoting self... |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa
Stark Enterprises
1124
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:42:00 -
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Remajstor wrote: high sec should be removed from the game...
I lolled.
go biomass yourself. do it. |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
347
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:42:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote:
The main school of thought here is Risk Vs Reward. I ask you, what risk is there in 0.0 when surrounded by a large alliance quite willing to hot drop a Tengu with supers?
Where is the risk ?
Well, let's say you own Branch. Your alliance go through diplomatic and internal issues. Another alliance wants your space because "Fsck you, that's why". That alliance steamroll through Branch, destroying CSAAs (You were building your Ragnarok in it ? Too bad, you just lost 55B), destroying Techmoon POSes (There goes the passive 7B/month revenue), taking your stations (Owait, you had 3 Machariels stuck in there ? Guess what, they'll be stuck until you firesale at half the cost).
Absolutely no risks indeed.
You can also get hotdropped in your own space by specialized teams of blackops, bombers, supers or whatever you want.
You can also get awoxed.
You can also get kicked by your alliance for being a ******, and there goes all your trapped assets.
No, risks.
Right.
ITT : OP is butthurt about incursions being nerfed. |
Garak Jakobs
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:44:00 -
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Allow me to repeat what I stated in the original post which I find funny on how nothing was said about because yall know I'm perfectly correct.
The main school of thought here is Risk Vs Reward. I ask you, what risk is there in 0.0 when surrounded by a large alliance quite willing to hot drop a Tengu with supers?
How risky can 0.0 be when you have Intel channels? you know what's coming system before they reach you. Therefore I ask again where is this so called uber risk that demands 0.0 to have all of eve goodies?
Would anyone like to answer this?
The simple fact is that for ONCE High sec dwellers are getting some financial love and quite rightly so.
0.0 people dislike anything empire, surrounded by a fortress of protection.
The bigger question is this :
Why should a fight outcome be determined by amount of supers and titans fielded? |
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Garak Jakobs
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.23 13:52:00 -
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SMT008 wrote:Garak Jakobs wrote:
The main school of thought here is Risk Vs Reward. I ask you, what risk is there in 0.0 when surrounded by a large alliance quite willing to hot drop a Tengu with supers?
Where is the risk ? Well, let's say you own Branch. Your alliance go through diplomatic and internal issues. Another alliance wants your space because "Fsck you, that's why". That alliance steamroll through Branch, destroying CSAAs (You were building your Ragnarok in it ? Too bad, you just lost 55B), destroying Techmoon POSes (There goes the passive 7B/month revenue), taking your stations (Owait, you had 3 Machariels stuck in there ? Guess what, they'll be stuck until you firesale at half the cost). Absolutely no risks indeed. You can also get hotdropped in your own space by specialized teams of blackops, bombers, supers or whatever you want. You can also get awoxed. You can also get kicked by your alliance for being a ******, and there goes all your trapped assets. No, risks. Right. ITT : OP is butthurt about incursions being nerfed.
That's a very different scenario to the one I pointed out. 0.0 in my eyes is easy to live in and hardly any risk. Unless someone wants your space then as you state things get nasty very quickly.
Your post is also all assumption, not fact.
The facts are :
0.0 is pi$$ easy to live in, just like empire.
I still don't see this risk you speak of? Unless your fighting another alliance there is NO risk at all.
You know it and I know it.
I'm not butt hurt about a Incursion nerf because the nerf if it happens, will be tiny.
Its YOU that is butt hurt that you can earn good isk in Empire.
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Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
181
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Posted - 2012.01.23 14:00:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote:
I still don't see this risk you speak of? Unless your fighting another alliance there is NO risk at all.
/me looks at the TEST killboard
Man... We are really so very bad at this game |
Orion GUardian
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Posted - 2012.01.23 14:38:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote:SMT008 wrote:Garak Jakobs wrote:
The main school of thought here is Risk Vs Reward. I ask you, what risk is there in 0.0 when surrounded by a large alliance quite willing to hot drop a Tengu with supers?
Where is the risk ? Well, let's say you own Branch. Your alliance go through diplomatic and internal issues. Another alliance wants your space because "Fsck you, that's why". That alliance steamroll through Branch, destroying CSAAs (You were building your Ragnarok in it ? Too bad, you just lost 55B), destroying Techmoon POSes (There goes the passive 7B/month revenue), taking your stations (Owait, you had 3 Machariels stuck in there ? Guess what, they'll be stuck until you firesale at half the cost). Absolutely no risks indeed. You can also get hotdropped in your own space by specialized teams of blackops, bombers, supers or whatever you want. You can also get awoxed. You can also get kicked by your alliance for being a ******, and there goes all your trapped assets. No, risks. Right. ITT : OP is butthurt about incursions being nerfed. That's a very different scenario to the one I pointed out. 0.0 in my eyes is easy to live in and hardly any risk. Unless someone wants your space then as you state things get nasty very quickly. Your post is also all assumption, not fact. The facts are : 0.0 is pi$$ easy to live in, just like empire. I still don't see this risk you speak of? Unless your fighting another alliance there is NO risk at all. You know it and I know it. I'm not butt hurt about a Incursion nerf because the nerf if it happens, will be tiny. Its YOU that is butt hurt that you can earn good isk in Empire.
Assumption not fact? What are you, stupid?
The man lived in nullsec probably longer than you play the game (that is a assumption). I have lived in nullsec for quite a while now and YES it can be safe but wait there is a 2 man Bomber gang in your system? too bad no ratting for you because they could killy our ratting ship.
Yes ratting can be profitable (MAXIMUM 60m/h in a pimped up Tengu mind you....100m/hour in a T2 fit basilisk it is for incursions I heard) but wait, youa re stuck in Cloud ring and you are stuck with mediocre rats and anomalies.
Yes you can try to get better space but wait....there are ENEMIES that need to be fought hich costs money and is not really safe is it?
Yes you might have good space but wait everybody else wants it too....damn more enemies coming to you hu?
Yes ofc we have Intel and a large alliance surrounding us but wait....our enemies are big alliances too. You need to make some money? Too bad an enemy fleet is attacking your alliance and you need to defend it instead of ratting
Well you have 10 tech mons for you alliance so you must be rich....Well too bad you got sov dues to pay and all the ships lost in Defense have to be paif for as well and fuel for Logistics and so on...
The only Safety we have in Nullsec is the safety we make and provide ourselves! Highsec does not need that because your safety comes from NPCs and the only danger is stupidity.
Highsec instead: You had Missions making far more money than any ratter could make (w/o an officer spawn at least) and now Incursions as well. The Problem is NOT that you can make money in Highsec.
The problem is
1. Your ignorance about nullsec being the safest place on earth (which it isn't frankly) and your failure to admit you might be wrong
2. That Incursion ISK are created out of THIN AIR that there are nearly 700 Billion ISK created each week (assumption) from nothing without any risk. (inflation anyone? 500m PLEX anyone?)
3. That making more money in an NSC-safe-made environment than in a Player-safe-made environment where oyu have to do something to be safe
4. That people do confuse Moon.Goo money (which does NOT create ISK btw because it comes from bringing the stuff to Highsec and selling it there and not collecting bounties) with ISK faucets
5. That people with no ******* clue about how things work in Nullsec (even here in the fruitfull welcoming warzone Branch) seem to think they do and so on and so on....
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:00:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote:
... The higher population of this game lives in Empire, 0.0 is the minority that is absolute pure fact. ...
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Teowulff Odinson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:05:00 -
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Remajstor wrote: high sec should be removed from the game...
If they 'd radically change low/nulsec mechanics it wouldn't be such a bad idea.
As it is now, the game mechanics are far too restrictive. People will quit EVE without highsec. |
Gabriel Mangeiri
Apple Construction Inc
Northern Associates.
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:08:00 -
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Orion GUardian wrote:Assumption not fact? What are you, stupid?
A fallacy in your second sentence. Impressive. This one is called 'Ad hominem".
"Eve players are most definitely the "Jocks" of the metaphorical high-school that is the MMO landscape."-áGÇö Jerhboa |
Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:22:00 -
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Orion GUardian wrote:
The only Safety we have in Nullsec is the safety we make and provide ourselves! Highsec does not need that because your safety comes from NPCs and the only danger is stupidity.
And for your hard work you get:-
30/40% better payouts on incursions.
True sec systems with officer spawns.
Passive moon goo income of anywhere from 7-70b per month.
High quality plex's
ect ect..
Thats what you guys get that us in high sec dont.
It's like your complaining that your neighbor just bought a Ferrari with his life saving, the same car you bought out of your pocket change just because you could.
Really, you need to STFU trying to convince people Null is hard work and you guys deserve everything and everybody else deserves nothing.
You dont like the way i choose to play MY game? Deal with it or go biomass. |
Gerald Taric
F-H Schwerindustrie und Sicherheit
KRAUTZ-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:26:00 -
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Remajstor wrote: high sec should be removed from the game...
No.
And i'm pretty sure you know why ...
(really not?: ... newbies for example ...) |
ariana ailith
Aribar Conglomerate
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:27:00 -
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incursions need a change alright, but its not about the isk. its the horrible yellow hue that gives me headaches... |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo
NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:55:00 -
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Calisto Fox wrote:Orion GUardian wrote:
The only Safety we have in Nullsec is the safety we make and provide ourselves! Highsec does not need that because your safety comes from NPCs and the only danger is stupidity.
And for your hard work you get:- 30/40% better payouts on incursions. True sec systems with officer spawns. Passive moon goo income of anywhere from 7- 70b per month. High quality plex's ect ect.. Thats what you guys get that us in high sec dont. It's like your complaining that your neighbor just bought a Ferrari with his life saving, the same car you bought out of your pocket change just because you could. Really, you need to STFU trying to convince people Null is hard work and you guys deserve everything and everybody else deserves nothing. You dont like the way i choose to play MY game? Deal with it or go biomass.
WTB '70b isk/month' moon...
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Calisto Fox
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.23 15:59:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:
WTB '70b isk/month' moon...
Average paasive income from tech moon per month - 7b
Holding 10 moons = 70b
Was only an example you dipshit smartarse failure. Try harder.
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Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:11:00 -
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Gerald Taric wrote:Remajstor wrote: high sec should be removed from the game... No. And i'm pretty sure you know why ... (really not?: ... newbies for example ...)
Our newbies do alright
http://eveswarm.com/2012/01/player-spotlight-orion-winters/
http://eveswarm.com/2011/12/interview-with-'day-old'-hero-drinker/ |
Orion GUardian
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Posted - 2012.01.24 13:54:00 -
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Calisto Fox wrote:Orion GUardian wrote:
The only Safety we have in Nullsec is the safety we make and provide ourselves! Highsec does not need that because your safety comes from NPCs and the only danger is stupidity.
And for your hard work you get:- 30/40% better payouts on incursions. True sec systems with officer spawns. Passive moon goo income of anywhere from 7-70b per month. High quality plex's ect ect.. Thats what you guys get that us in high sec dont. It's like your complaining that your neighbor just bought a Ferrari with his life saving, the same car you bought out of your pocket change just because you could. Really, you need to STFU trying to convince people Null is hard work and you guys deserve everything and everybody else deserves nothing. You dont like the way i choose to play MY game? Deal with it or go biomass.
"For our hard work you get" yes.....
BUt we cannot farkm incrusions 23.5/7!
We cannot rat 23.5/7 like you can do missions
The moon income is spend on Sov and war efforts!
So in the end Highsec PvE nets you billions while nullsec PvE gives us hundreds of millions....
And I do not complain how you play your game I complained how utterly flawed the logic is the OP (and you now) use to assume nullsec would be so mich better and richer! If it is so great out here join us!
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Garak Jakobs
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.25 14:08:00 -
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As stated previously I am an alt, my other toons live in 0.0 so I know what's going on. This is why I made this post.
0.0 for the most part is risk free on day to day activities.
The only risk comes when a cyno pops and all hell breaks loose. big fight many losses, fight over - rebuild.
When these fights are not happening its a simple case of running sites, ratting etc this is where there is zero risk.
Intel channels
Populated systems with blues
These 2 things alone make for quite a safe environment. Most 0.0 guys don't run about in shiney ships therefore the loss of a T1
Frigate
Cruiser
Battle cruiser
Battleship
Means nothing, Should you wander around in shiney ships solo and get killed, you create that risk yourself.
Even wormholes are far greater in risk than 0.0 by a loooong way because of no local and the fact your dependent on scanning to stay "safe" which term I use very loosely. Yet Wormholes don't get any love from CCP, melted nano drops nerfed to high heaven and C3s only solo-able in a long range pimped T3 [after the neut correction].
Yet It's 0.0 which gets all of Eves good stuff. If we are to really believe Risk equals reward it is indeed wormholes which should be the richest place in eve. |
Chalmecatecuchtlz
Obstergo
NEM3SIS.
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:23:00 -
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Calisto Fox wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:
WTB '70b isk/month' moon...
Average paasive income from tech moon per month - 7b Holding 10 moons = 70b Was only an example you dipshit smartarse failure. Try harder.
Quite a noisy scrub alt. Calm down.. Just a game ;) |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
243
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:26:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote:As stated previously I am an alt, my other toons live in 0.0 so I know what's going on.
ahhahahahahahaha
Quote:Even wormholes are far greater in risk than 0.0 by a loooong way because of no local
baaaaahahahahaha |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:38:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote:Allow me to repeat what I stated in the original post which I find funny on how nothing was said about because yall know I'm perfectly correct.
The main school of thought here is Risk Vs Reward. I ask you, what risk is there in 0.0 when surrounded by a large alliance quite willing to hot drop a Tengu with supers?
How risky can 0.0 be when you have Intel channels? you know what's coming system before they reach you. Therefore I ask again where is this so called uber risk that demands 0.0 to have all of eve goodies?
Would anyone like to answer this?
Easy, get to 0.0 (if you manage to get there) and then try this no risk by yourself.
After that you'll know you don't need to "answer" such questions.
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Remajstor
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.01.25 22:16:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Remajstor wrote: high sec should be removed from the game... So that the entire game becomes a cesspit of gate campers and thousands of players sitting in stations too scared to go out because they know they'll immediately lose their ships and not be able to make anymore ISK? GTFO.
If you are afraid to play, go play tetris...
and
ps: gtfo |
Garak Jakobs
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.26 19:44:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Garak Jakobs wrote:Allow me to repeat what I stated in the original post which I find funny on how nothing was said about because yall know I'm perfectly correct.
The main school of thought here is Risk Vs Reward. I ask you, what risk is there in 0.0 when surrounded by a large alliance quite willing to hot drop a Tengu with supers?
How risky can 0.0 be when you have Intel channels? you know what's coming system before they reach you. Therefore I ask again where is this so called uber risk that demands 0.0 to have all of eve goodies?
Would anyone like to answer this?
Easy, get to 0.0 (if you manage to get there) and then try this no risk by yourself. After that you'll know you don't need to "answer" such questions. Edit: you proclaim you are in 0.0. Give proof or GTFO. "Toons" used in posting is automatic -1/10 anyway.
My 2 main characters live in 0.0, I do not have to give you proof of any kind. They live there and that's that.
0.0 is mostly risk free, you people need to grasp that protected by your huge alliances. 1 red comes in system and 30 people in fleet start searching.....lol and yeah thats you :)
How is 0.0 more risk than wormholes? If you took local away from 0.0 then you might be heading in that direction but with local you see a red and dock/cloak your safe.
In a WH you don't get such opportunity at all before a fleet lands on you.
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Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:09:00 -
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Quote:
0.0 is mostly risk free, you people need to grasp that protected by your huge alliances. 1 red comes in system and 30 people in fleet start searching.....lol and yeah thats you :)
What's this? I thought EVE was supposed to be a risk vs reward game, all of a sudden you're telling me it's risk free to fly in 0.0? You know I wouldn't mind people like you if there was some ******* consistency in your arguments as opposed to just making it up as you go along to make it seem like we're just whiners rather than people with legitimate concerns about the game.
The least you could do is accurately describe EVE game mechanics so you don't look like an out of touch fool who hasn't at least tried making an alt. and just randomly fly to 0.0 for the hell of it.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
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