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Dzajic Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.30 10:00:00 - [31] It's a PvP game. And for that PvP you pay by selling $$$ for ISK, not doing debugged and interesting PvE, right CCP???
Ravenal Mechanus Works	Posted - 2007.10.30 10:08:00 - [32] Originally by: d026 Anyway this is a EXTREMELY BAD ISK/H ratio. You are joking right? You are expecting exploration to have a fixed isk/h ratio no matter how few hours you spend exploring? if you want fixed isk/h income go mine. Anyway, this time you got crappy loot but would you be whining if the site had dropped x many invuln fields? No, but you obviously would if the next site you scanned down wouldnt. In order to prove a point, you have to provide more data, a lot more data and work out an isk/h from that... so, until then have fun. .
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:25:00 - [33] Edited by: d026 on 30/10/2007 12:26:08 Originally by: Ravenal Originally by: d026 Anyway this is a EXTREMELY BAD ISK/H ratio. Anyway, this time you got crappy loot but would you be whining if the site had dropped x many invuln fields? No, but you obviously would if the next site you scanned down wouldnt. the chance this happening is zero! its almost a wonder if a fatcion spawn is dropping anything at all.. just rescript them like ded plexes. each overseer drops a effect. so you know if you run it you get at least 200mil out of it.
Arquiteto Powerdyne Deepspace Operations Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:57:00 - [34] If exploration sucks then why are so many A-type items for sale. Yes it does suck when you don't receive anything, but even in the old static plexes this would happen. Not as often but it happened.
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.30 14:06:00 - [35] Edited by: Jita TradeAlt on 30/10/2007 14:10:58 Originally by: Arquiteto If exploration sucks then why are so many A-type items for sale. Yes it does suck when you don't receive anything, but even in the old static plexes this would happen. Not as often but it happened. Don't you think it's a bit odd that it's only a-types? Never thought about it? Well here's why you see so many of them: they are easily farmed from COSMOS, not normal exploration. Edit, it's really tedious and boring though, so even if the rewards are decent I can't really recommend it, it's hours of boring probing and hacking containers, the plex itself can take up to 2-3 hours. It's so boring that there's even very little competition, so no pvp even.
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.30 16:10:00 - [36] Edited by: d026 on 30/10/2007 16:13:19 Originally by: Arquiteto If exploration sucks then why are so many A-type items for sale. Yes it does suck when you don't receive anything, but even in the old static plexes this would happen. Not as often but it happened. at least you always got the overseer effects. the a-type mods were probably stockpiled pre static nerf.. ahh i didnt read jita trade alt.. a-types seem to come form cosomos then.. :)
K'reemy G'udness Gimme Gimme Gimme	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:16:00 - [37] Well, I remembered reading something about how they're gonna do some work on exploration in the next patch. So I went to read it. Um. Well, the good news it might take less time to probe them out since they are tweaking multispecs. And I thought I read somewhere that they were moving some of the rewards to exploration sites to discourage farming the plexes, but I can't find that now. They're fixing the despawning at least. Hey, you know, It's CCP, they'll add some new content and it'll be bugged and then they'll fix it by nerfing something else. Probably Gallente. Enjoy! Sincerely, K'reemy ---
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.31 09:55:00 - [38] Bumping thread for Arquitetos reply~
Sunaria	Posted - 2007.10.31 11:37:00 - [39] Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 30/10/2007 12:26:08 Originally by: Ravenal Originally by: d026 Anyway this is a EXTREMELY BAD ISK/H ratio. Anyway, this time you got crappy loot but would you be whining if the site had dropped x many invuln fields? No, but you obviously would if the next site you scanned down wouldnt. the chance this happening is zero! its almost a wonder if a fatcion spawn is dropping anything at all.. just rescript them like ded plexes. each overseer drops a effect. so you know if you run it you get at least 200mil out of it. hehe I once had 3 dread invuls drop one after the other in the escalations :) Maybe you just suck (friendly taunt btw)
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.31 12:10:00 - [40] Originally by: Sunaria Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 30/10/2007 12:26:08 Originally by: Ravenal Originally by: d026 Anyway this is a EXTREMELY BAD ISK/H ratio. Anyway, this time you got crappy loot but would you be whining if the site had dropped x many invuln fields? No, but you obviously would if the next site you scanned down wouldnt. the chance this happening is zero! its almost a wonder if a fatcion spawn is dropping anything at all.. just rescript them like ded plexes. each overseer drops a effect. so you know if you run it you get at least 200mil out of it. hehe I once had 3 dread invuls drop one after the other in the escalations :) Maybe you just suck (friendly taunt btw) lucky mofo..
Jita TradeAlt	Posted - 2007.10.31 15:56:00 - [41] Originally by: Arquiteto If exploration sucks then why are so many A-type items for sale. Yes it does suck when you don't receive anything, but even in the old static plexes this would happen. Not as often but it happened. Ok i*ll help you along with your next post: "Oh so all the a-types are from easily farmed cosmos plexes and there's almost no deadspace gear apart from those on contracts apart from 3bn isk gist x-types? Well thats a clear indicator on how failed exploration is and that the only ones with enough time to do it are unemployed people that don't understand that over time they'd be making more isk on high sec hulk mining or something"
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.31 16:04:00 - [42] Originally by: Jita TradeAlt Originally by: Arquiteto If exploration sucks then why are so many A-type items for sale. Yes it does suck when you don't receive anything, but even in the old static plexes this would happen. Not as often but it happened. Ok i*ll help you along with your next post: "Oh so all the a-types are from easily farmed cosmos plexes and there's almost no deadspace gear apart from those on contracts apart from 3bn isk gist x-types? Well thats a clear indicator on how failed exploration is and that the only ones with enough time to do it are unemployed people that don't understand that over time they'd be making more isk on high sec hulk mining or something" i agree that the ded's are not common enough. on the other hand i have to admit that i rarely scann for unkonws due to the anomaly bug. but imho exploration gives me a very good isk/h ratio if you stick to radar/mag site, probably not as good as lvl 4 whoring, but you can do it afk on your alt. also those sites get a boost next patch.. one thing i wonder tough.. whi is it possible to farm a-types. please mve thhose to exploration only to. we dont need static farmable lootdropps in cosmos.
Astronoe Republic University	Posted - 2007.11.01 01:30:00 - [43] Originally by: Ammoina Its exploration. Sometimes it comes up sevens, sometimes it comes up snake eyes. Just because it came up snake eyes does not mean the plex needs a boost. Go roll the dice a few more times. Yeah, but give a base reward worth the effort and let the crazy-kicka** drop stay as it is.
Bartolinjo	Posted - 2007.12.24 21:22:00 - [44] we tried to do the guristas military outpost today. jumped in a dominix with near 90% resistance on kinetic and thermal and 3 large armor reppers. he could tank the fire for like 1 minute, even when we assigned armor bots on him....very strange ! we tried it another time but than we gave up, maybe we¦ll try once again tomorrow :)
Rezerwowy Pies	Posted - 2007.12.24 22:15:00 - [45] Even big complex can't allways drop a deadspace item, because then that items wont be such expensive. Deadspace items = rare. Its all ok with complexs
Sabahl Minmatar Game-Over Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.04 13:45:00 - [46] Well I am having real problems getting these bastards to escallate at all. I am now very experienced at Blood Raider exploration and somewhat experienced with Guristas and all I can say is bring back the bloods! The blood complexes are a hell of a lot easier, faster to clear, less messy (apart from the occasional lost carrier) and generally the DB spawns appear to drop a hell of a lot more DB items than their DG counterparts. Having said that, I've only seen 3 DG BS so far out of the 7 plexes I have murdered, and the DG Destroyer in last night's Guristas Military Complex dropped a POS module BPC and 2 DG items, including an invul. So I almost certainly need to do a little more investigation before I come to any extreme conclusions.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:07:00 - [47] Exploration is just like that - extremely random, rather frustrating, and not good at all as a reliable money maker. Exact same complex can drop nothing more than overseers effects one day, and the next it drops multiple faction items worth over 500m.
Zero89	Posted - 2008.03.05 14:01:00 - [48] Stop complaining, just did serp version last night with a couple corp mates and got a large shadow tower bpc... if you don't like the risk vs reward, quit. And by the way, I can easily do this site with 3 people... so if it's that hard... try using your head and stop tanking that much dps in a battleship. (which I'm assuming you did)
Cici IV Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.22 11:07:00 - [49] it's all about luck, me and my friend were doing a sansha complext last night that escalated, at the end we got a nightmare bpc, bhaalgorn bpc, a centus a-type lar and a centus hardner :)
Alexa Violet XZerosX Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.22 19:00:00 - [50] Edited by: Alexa Violet on 22/03/2008 19:00:33 If you get a Bhaalgorn bpc from a sansha complex something is broken
Bruce Ironstaunch GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.22 19:39:00 - [51] Escalation sites are actually fine, you get faction spawns more often then the average ratter plus a chance to get deadspace loot. Not to mention the escalations are just something you do inbetween the radar and mag sites that have consistent decent drops. The only thing that needs fixing is upping the chance of escalation to like 50% (i would say its around 25-30% now) Originally by: Alexa Violet Edited by: Alexa Violet on 22/03/2008 19:00:33 If you get a Bhaalgorn bpc from a sansha complex something is broken After the initial site the rat types may change in the next stages.

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