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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
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Posted - 2007.10.09 00:19:00 -
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So finaly after probing this biatch out, i managed to complete it. It only took me 8 hours to scann and run it. It is probably the hardest plex i have ever seen. +10k dmg aoe and a nice cute 30bs spawn on top of you. And what did i get as reward?
The overseer dropp:
1 x 150mm railgun, 200 Iron S, 1 x Prototype Cargo Scanner.
Including the bounty i made like well over 50mil. 50 MIL FOR THE ******* HARDEST PLEX OUT THERE? Not even a overseer effect? Nothing? I can get +50 mil from a crappy Radar plex, i manage to scann thes out within 1h max + 1h max hacking. This is utterly crap CCP. +10/10 difficulty and not even a overseer effect. Small railguns from a 3928472839k hp structure dealing 10k kinetic damage?
CCP BOOST THOSE PLEXES PLEASE!
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
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Posted - 2007.10.09 00:21:00 -
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AND the funniest thign is.. i just got a dg invul field in a 0.8 system while runing a lvl 4 guri vaganza while i was accumulating lp to be able to get me those nice scanning implants.. Thats so ******!
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Great Artista
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.09 04:00:00 -
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Jei'son Bladesmith
The Storm Knights
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Posted - 2007.10.09 05:50:00 -
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Ya but look at the bright side....
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ok i got nothin
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.10.09 06:38:00 -
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Serpentis Provincial HQ is almost just as bad. Last time someone I knew ran it they got a Shadow Serpentis spawn at the end that only dropped a Large Shadow Serp Armor Repper, which is a crap faction mod.
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KoolKrewl
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Posted - 2007.10.09 09:39:00 -
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Yay for new content brought to you by ccp????
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.09 10:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Jei'son Bladesmith
Ya but look at the bright side....
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ok i got nothin
well it was fun running it. posguns the ueber smartbom the nice 30bs boobytrap. but it just bothers me that for all the time, isk, risk (you wont be able to tank dis damage in a tII fited ship you need some juicy faction/deadspace tank or several logistics) involved, you do not even get a overseereffect like in the ded plexes..
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Brixer
Dai Dai Hai
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Posted - 2007.10.09 11:09:00 -
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Not trying to be a smartass or anything, but isn't this a plex type that *might* escalate ?
In which case you *might* get a Shadow at the end of each location and deadspace loot at the final location.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
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Posted - 2007.10.09 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Brixer
Not trying to be a smartass or anything, but isn't this a plex type that *might* escalate ?
In which case you *might* get a Shadow at the end of each location and deadspace loot at the final location.
Yeah you are right the HQ "can" escalate. I have yet to see a site that escalates tough. Also considering the difficulty of this site (its like 15/10 compared to the pith 10/10) you want to get something worthwhile. Also there are simpler ways to get faction spawns/items such as belt ratting, high sec lvl 4 missions and the new cosmic anomalies. What you have to take into account is also the following:
+ Chance to find the site
+ Probing (chance based can take hours)
+ Possible losses due to gate camps/probers (and you are at high risk flying a pimped out faction pve ship to those insanely hard sites:)
+ Possible losses due to plex difficulty
+ Chance of a Faction Spawn
+ Chance to get something worthwhile from the Faction spawn (not justa tag and 1k faction ammo)
+ Escalation chance
+ Chance to get another Faction Spawn.
etc..
This is a lot of risk and effort just to have a slim probability of getting a usually not very expensive faction item you could acquire easily while doing less difficult tasks.
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Veng3ance
New Dawn Rising
Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2007.10.09 15:28:00 -
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I absolutely agree!
Escalation sites have been broken since the day they ****en came out!
EVERY SINGLE 0.0 escalation plex I have run has been MUCH harder then a 10/10 complex.
They should drop overseers items at the very least. Or one deadspace mod at the end of each escalation. I dont think this is un-reasonable at all, it can take upwards of 12 hours to find and complete even one escalation. And for a whole "expedition" it can take days of work.
They should be worth more then level 4 missions at least! **** MISSIONS!
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Reverend Revelator
Elite Storm Enterprises
Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.10.09 18:32:00 -
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What D026 completely fails to realize is that....
Nope, I got nothing here either. These plexes are stupid hard to do for stupid little reward, period. Fix would be nice.
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Nixar
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Posted - 2007.10.09 19:11:00 -
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I'd be quite amused to see if anyone can make a valid counter point to the unbalance of exploration complexes.
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eXtas
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.09 19:18:00 -
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yeah you wont get anything out of them unless they escalate... dont know what the chance is nowdays but I gave up a long time ago  got some nice pith stuff but it was like 1/30 that gave some loot...
but it was still fun doing them without any idea what to expect and geting sent around 3 regions in hostile space 
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ardik
TunkbwahCorp
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Posted - 2007.10.10 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nixar
I'd be quite amused to see if anyone can make a valid counter point to the unbalance of exploration complexes.
Its a good idea, but CCP definitely need to make them much, much easier to find and the rewards more consistent.
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Igetshotalot
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.10 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: ardik
Originally by: Nixar
I'd be quite amused to see if anyone can make a valid counter point to the unbalance of exploration complexes.
Its a good idea, but CCP definitely need to make them much, much easier to find and the rewards more consistent.
Just make the reward appropriate. I just did a Guristas Military Complex. Imho those escalation sites are a lot of fun to do. Unfortunately i couldn't extract any useful loot -.-
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.11 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 11/10/2007 00:52:10
Me and Igetshotalot finished the Guristas Military Complex. It escalated several times before we hit the Dead End. We killed 4 Dread Guristas but unfortunately only 1 dropped a (cheap) faction item.
The whole expedition took us like 10-15 hours. The rewards were as follows:
Approx 50-60 mil in bounties for each.
1000 x Guristas Iron Charge L = 1 mil
3 x Dread Guristas Crystal Tag = 1 mil
1 x Dread Guristas Diamond Tag = 1 mil
1 x Dread Guristas Kinetic Defflection Amp = 15 mil
I am aware that each of those Dreads could have dropped a invul field. But again the chance seems in favor of not getting anything at all.. Anyway this is a EXTREMELY BAD ISK/H ratio. Its not nearly as good as 1.0 LvL 3 whoring.. I really hope CCP looks into those escalation sites and buffs the reward. Even tough they are fun to do at the end you feel bitter not getting at least something worth for the time spent..
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Kurst I
Simtech Productions
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:06:00 -
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What I'd like to know: has any of u ever been into a 10/10?
Seriously, Prov HQ is a pain in the 4ss if u want to solo it, but easily doable with the help of only one more guy. I did it 3 or 4 times so far and didn't get an escalation or dread loot, but nevertheless it's fun 
But it shouldnt take u hours to find it, as it is a base 3 combat site afaik (I know, there is no "base x" for combat sites, but they seem to be differentiable by their base strength which seem to be 2,1 and 0.5 with sifts).
However, Prov HQ is definitely a bit harder than a 6/10, but I also saw The Maze (10/10) for a few times, and compared to that, Prov HQ is a piece of cake.
I'd really love to see Prov HQ or Military HQ (not sure about name, something with "military"...) escalate one day though
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kurst I
What I'd like to know: has any of u ever been into a 10/10?
Seriously, Prov HQ is a pain in the 4ss if u want to solo it, but easily doable with the help of only one more guy. I did it 3 or 4 times so far and didn't get an escalation or dread loot, but nevertheless it's fun
But it shouldnt take u hours to find it, as it is a base 3 combat site afaik (I know, there is no "base x" for combat sites, but they seem to be differentiable by their base strength which seem to be 2,1 and 0.5 with sifts).
However, Prov HQ is definitely a bit harder than a 6/10, but I also saw The Maze (10/10) for a few times, and compared to that, Prov HQ is a piece of cake.
I'd really love to see Prov HQ or Military HQ (not sure about name, something with "military"...) escalate one day though
Kurst I
How do you run the HQ solo? I couldnt tank the dps as long as the Siege Sentrys are still alive. So i needed my osprey alt:) Mind sharing your setup/shiptype?
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eXtas
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:13:00 -
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its usually about ships and setups, personaly for for guristas exploration I run a ishtar that can tank something stupid like 3k kin damage.. and most stuff miss when it moves :)
The Maze (10/10) was not hard at all after you find out to tank it with a plated smartbombing bs.. its all about the right setup and bringing some help if needed.. tho sharing the exploration loot and bountys will make lowsec rating more profitable :P atm you just have to accept that combat exploration is for fun and not any isk/gold mine
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Kurst I
Simtech Productions
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 13:27:00 -
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pain in the ass = not tankable in raven = warp out few times 
at least not for me, but i have to admit i stopped training caldari after 2 months and started gallente, but still use raven for PVE although my skills are mostly at 3 for caldari ships
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ardik
TunkbwahCorp
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Posted - 2007.10.18 20:21:00 -
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no exploration is meant to be time-consuming, unrewarding, hard to do, needing months of skills and challenging, it keeps competition down
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Brixer
Dai Dai Hai
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Posted - 2007.10.21 20:35:00 -
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In fact.. These plexes can't really be compared from one run to another.
The rats who spawn are a bit random. I probed down a Sansha Military Complex and there where 16 Centus Dread Lords there. Not to hard to do I thought, but didn't have time to run it until the day after.
Well.. The day aftet those Dread Lords had left and there was Centus Tyrants there instead. Almost got my dual repper domi ass wiped off the map, but got an oneiros friend helping me on the second run.
75M in bounties, 1 True Sansha BS spawn later we where done, no escalation.
The point is.. You can't really know if you can solo these until you warp in to see what number the random generator selected.
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Ma Eies
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Posted - 2007.10.22 00:15:00 -
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Don't waste your time with these plexes, there's almost no profit to be found, especially if you lose ships to the insane dps
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Castor IV
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.22 02:16:00 -
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We did Serpentis Provincial HQ just a few days ago, and I must say this was the first and last time I'm running this kind of plex.
With the time to scan it down to completing it with 3-4 ppl (some ppl actually have a RL) it took us 10 hours. It had 5 escalations, and about 20-25 jumps all over fountain. The last escalation was insane, about 30+ battleships plus support, if ppl think a 10/10 is difficult they have never runned this thingy its crazy. Atleast we got something for the hard work. Had several Shadow serpentis spawns with some half ass lot and a final 30 million+ bounty officer that droped a Core X-type plate. I will not thank CCP for the lot since in my opinion its not worth the effort we had to put into this to complete this, but I will thank them for the logistic ships they do rock.
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ardik
TunkbwahCorp
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Posted - 2007.10.22 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Castor IV
We did Serpentis Provincial HQ just a few days ago, and I must say this was the first and last time I'm running this kind of plex.
With the time to scan it down to completing it with 3-4 ppl (some ppl actually have a RL) it took us 10 hours. It had 5 escalations, and about 20-25 jumps all over fountain. The last escalation was insane, about 30+ battleships plus support, if ppl think a 10/10 is difficult they have never runned this thingy its crazy. Atleast we got something for the hard work. Had several Shadow serpentis spawns with some half ass lot and a final 30 million+ bounty officer that droped a Core X-type plate. I will not thank CCP for the lot since in my opinion its not worth the effort we had to put into this to complete this, but I will thank them for the logistic ships they do rock.
No man, 10 hours is perfectly viable for whats basically some horrible L5 mission sites. It keeps competition down you see and if you dont want the loot jsut more for me 
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Castor IV
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.22 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: ardik
No man, 10 hours is perfectly viable for whats basically some horrible L5 mission sites. It keeps competition down you see and if you dont want the loot jsut more for me
Well you are welcome to have them for your self, because with the lot they are dropping compared to the 10 hours it took to run it. I rather run a 10/10 in 1-2 hours or go through belts looking for officers.
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ardik
TunkbwahCorp
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Posted - 2007.10.22 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Castor IV
Originally by: ardik
No man, 10 hours is perfectly viable for whats basically some horrible L5 mission sites. It keeps competition down you see and if you dont want the loot jsut more for me
Well you are welcome to have them for your self, because with the lot they are dropping compared to the 10 hours it took to run it. I rather run a 10/10 in 1-2 hours or go through belts looking for officers.
No you see it was sarcasm :x
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Sino Necromonger
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Posted - 2007.10.29 20:28:00 -
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So, whith al this in mind, is it worth me even contemplating the Angel Provinical HQ??  |
Merrick Solipsus
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.30 04:50:00 -
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I have run this plex twice in the last few days. I use a Rokh with BS5 and 2 kinetic hardeners. The big smartbomb barely registers on my shield.
As far as rat damage, my alt running 2 remote reppers in his Basilisk can easily keep me alive. The Dread Gurista at the end is just like any other DG when it comes to chances with faction drops.
My first run it dropped a 3 run DG Large Tower BPC. Second time was nothing.
Personally I really like this plex.
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Ammoina
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.10.30 07:08:00 -
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Its exploration. Sometimes it comes up sevens, sometimes it comes up snake eyes.
Just because it came up snake eyes does not mean the plex needs a boost. Go roll the dice a few more times. |
Dzajic
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.30 10:00:00 -
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It's a PvP game. And for that PvP you pay by selling $$$ for ISK, not doing debugged and interesting PvE, right CCP???
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Ravenal
Mechanus Works
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Posted - 2007.10.30 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: d026
Anyway this is a EXTREMELY BAD ISK/H ratio.
You are joking right? You are expecting exploration to have a fixed isk/h ratio no matter how few hours you spend exploring?
if you want fixed isk/h income go mine.
Anyway, this time you got crappy loot but would you be whining if the site had dropped x many invuln fields? No, but you obviously would if the next site you scanned down wouldnt.
In order to prove a point, you have to provide more data, a lot more data and work out an isk/h from that...
so, until then have fun.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.30 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 30/10/2007 12:26:08
Originally by: Ravenal
Originally by: d026
Anyway this is a EXTREMELY BAD ISK/H ratio.
Anyway, this time you got crappy loot but would you be whining if the site had dropped x many invuln fields? No, but you obviously would if the next site you scanned down wouldnt.
the chance this happening is zero! its almost a wonder if a fatcion spawn is dropping anything at all.. just rescript them like ded plexes. each overseer drops a effect. so you know if you run it you get at least 200mil out of it.
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Arquiteto
Powerdyne Deepspace Operations
Exa Nation
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Posted - 2007.10.30 12:57:00 -
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If exploration sucks then why are so many A-type items for sale. Yes it does suck when you don't receive anything, but even in the old static plexes this would happen. Not as often but it happened.
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Jita TradeAlt
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Posted - 2007.10.30 14:06:00 -
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Edited by: Jita TradeAlt on 30/10/2007 14:10:58
Originally by: Arquiteto
If exploration sucks then why are so many A-type items for sale. Yes it does suck when you don't receive anything, but even in the old static plexes this would happen. Not as often but it happened.
Don't you think it's a bit odd that it's only a-types? Never thought about it? Well here's why you see so many of them: they are easily farmed from COSMOS, not normal exploration.
Edit, it's really tedious and boring though, so even if the rewards are decent I can't really recommend it, it's hours of boring probing and hacking containers, the plex itself can take up to 2-3 hours. It's so boring that there's even very little competition, so no pvp even.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.30 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 30/10/2007 16:13:19
Originally by: Arquiteto
If exploration sucks then why are so many A-type items for sale. Yes it does suck when you don't receive anything, but even in the old static plexes this would happen. Not as often but it happened.
at least you always got the overseer effects. the a-type mods were probably stockpiled pre static nerf..
ahh i didnt read jita trade alt.. a-types seem to come form cosomos then.. :)
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K'reemy G'udness
Gimme Gimme Gimme
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Posted - 2007.10.30 22:16:00 -
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Well, I remembered reading something about how they're gonna do some work on exploration in the next patch. So I went to read it. Um.
Well, the good news it might take less time to probe them out since they are tweaking multispecs. And I thought I read somewhere that they were moving some of the rewards to exploration sites to discourage farming the plexes, but I can't find that now. They're fixing the despawning at least.
Hey, you know, It's CCP, they'll add some new content and it'll be bugged and then they'll fix it by nerfing something else. Probably Gallente.
Enjoy!
Sincerely,
K'reemy
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Jita TradeAlt
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Posted - 2007.10.31 09:55:00 -
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Bumping thread for Arquitetos reply~
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Sunaria
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Posted - 2007.10.31 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: d026
Edited by: d026 on 30/10/2007 12:26:08
Originally by: Ravenal
Originally by: d026
Anyway this is a EXTREMELY BAD ISK/H ratio.
Anyway, this time you got crappy loot but would you be whining if the site had dropped x many invuln fields? No, but you obviously would if the next site you scanned down wouldnt.
the chance this happening is zero! its almost a wonder if a fatcion spawn is dropping anything at all.. just rescript them like ded plexes. each overseer drops a effect. so you know if you run it you get at least 200mil out of it.
hehe I once had 3 dread invuls drop one after the other in the escalations :) Maybe you just suck (friendly taunt btw)
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.31 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sunaria
Originally by: d026
Edited by: d026 on 30/10/2007 12:26:08
Originally by: Ravenal
Originally by: d026
Anyway this is a EXTREMELY BAD ISK/H ratio.
Anyway, this time you got crappy loot but would you be whining if the site had dropped x many invuln fields? No, but you obviously would if the next site you scanned down wouldnt.
the chance this happening is zero! its almost a wonder if a fatcion spawn is dropping anything at all.. just rescript them like ded plexes. each overseer drops a effect. so you know if you run it you get at least 200mil out of it.
hehe I once had 3 dread invuls drop one after the other in the escalations :) Maybe you just suck (friendly taunt btw)
lucky mofo..
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Jita TradeAlt
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Posted - 2007.10.31 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Arquiteto
If exploration sucks then why are so many A-type items for sale. Yes it does suck when you don't receive anything, but even in the old static plexes this would happen. Not as often but it happened.
Ok i*ll help you along with your next post:
"Oh so all the a-types are from easily farmed cosmos plexes and there's almost no deadspace gear apart from those on contracts apart from 3bn isk gist x-types? Well thats a clear indicator on how failed exploration is and that the only ones with enough time to do it are unemployed people that don't understand that over time they'd be making more isk on high sec hulk mining or something"
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS....
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.31 16:04:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Jita TradeAlt
Originally by: Arquiteto
If exploration sucks then why are so many A-type items for sale. Yes it does suck when you don't receive anything, but even in the old static plexes this would happen. Not as often but it happened.
Ok i*ll help you along with your next post:
"Oh so all the a-types are from easily farmed cosmos plexes and there's almost no deadspace gear apart from those on contracts apart from 3bn isk gist x-types? Well thats a clear indicator on how failed exploration is and that the only ones with enough time to do it are unemployed people that don't understand that over time they'd be making more isk on high sec hulk mining or something"
i agree that the ded's are not common enough. on the other hand i have to admit that i rarely scann for unkonws due to the anomaly bug. but imho exploration gives me a very good isk/h ratio if you stick to radar/mag site, probably not as good as lvl 4 whoring, but you can do it afk on your alt. also those sites get a boost next patch..
one thing i wonder tough.. whi is it possible to farm a-types. please mve thhose to exploration only to. we dont need static farmable lootdropps in cosmos.
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Astronoe
Republic University
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Posted - 2007.11.01 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ammoina
Its exploration. Sometimes it comes up sevens, sometimes it comes up snake eyes.
Just because it came up snake eyes does not mean the plex needs a boost. Go roll the dice a few more times.
Yeah, but give a base reward worth the effort and let the crazy-kicka** drop stay as it is.
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Bartolinjo
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Posted - 2007.12.24 21:22:00 -
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we tried to do the guristas military outpost today.
jumped in a dominix with near 90% resistance on kinetic and thermal and 3 large armor reppers. he could tank the fire for like 1 minute, even when we assigned armor bots on him....very strange !
we tried it another time but than we gave up, maybe weŚll try once again tomorrow :)
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Rezerwowy Pies
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Posted - 2007.12.24 22:15:00 -
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Even big complex can't allways drop a deadspace item, because then that items wont be such expensive. Deadspace items = rare.
Its all ok with complexs
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Sabahl
Minmatar
Game-Over
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.04 13:45:00 -
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Well I am having real problems getting these bastards to escallate at all. I am now very experienced at Blood Raider exploration and somewhat experienced with Guristas and all I can say is bring back the bloods! The blood complexes are a hell of a lot easier, faster to clear, less messy (apart from the occasional lost carrier) and generally the DB spawns appear to drop a hell of a lot more DB items than their DG counterparts.
Having said that, I've only seen 3 DG BS so far out of the 7 plexes I have murdered, and the DG Destroyer in last night's Guristas Military Complex dropped a POS module BPC and 2 DG items, including an invul. So I almost certainly need to do a little more investigation before I come to any extreme conclusions.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.03.04 16:07:00 -
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Exploration is just like that - extremely random, rather frustrating, and not good at all as a reliable money maker.
Exact same complex can drop nothing more than overseers effects one day, and the next it drops multiple faction items worth over 500m.
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Zero89
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Posted - 2008.03.05 14:01:00 -
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Stop complaining, just did serp version last night with a couple corp mates and got a large shadow tower bpc... if you don't like the risk vs reward, quit. And by the way, I can easily do this site with 3 people... so if it's that hard... try using your head and stop tanking that much dps in a battleship. (which I'm assuming you did)
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Cici IV
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.22 11:07:00 -
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it's all about luck, me and my friend were doing a sansha complext last night that escalated, at the end we got a nightmare bpc, bhaalgorn bpc, a centus a-type lar and a centus hardner :)
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Alexa Violet
XZerosX
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.22 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Alexa Violet on 22/03/2008 19:00:33
If you get a Bhaalgorn bpc from a sansha complex something is broken
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Bruce Ironstaunch
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.22 19:39:00 -
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Escalation sites are actually fine, you get faction spawns more often then the average ratter plus a chance to get deadspace loot. Not to mention the escalations are just something you do inbetween the radar and mag sites that have consistent decent drops.
The only thing that needs fixing is upping the chance of escalation to like 50% (i would say its around 25-30% now)
Originally by: Alexa Violet
Edited by: Alexa Violet on 22/03/2008 19:00:33
If you get a Bhaalgorn bpc from a sansha complex something is broken
After the initial site the rat types may change in the next stages.
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