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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:39:00 -
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There is some very interesting problem with self-destruct.
Few day ago in 0.0 space RA villains killed few capitals of 0utbreak and TALON-something. But "smart" Outbreak pilot( Markie ) instead being killed as a man just self-destructed own carrier. You know, 0utbreaks are so great... K/D is so fantastic... 0utbreak is corporation of the year... Lost your carrier and you will be kicked out... So self-destruct is much more suitable!
Anyway, what type of solution can be implemented to stop this plague? I think this trick will be very popular among "real pvpers"(like 0utbreak), that can gank only poor isk farmers or stupid belt hunters, but run away from any serious danger.
--------------------------------- "Zealot is sniper, because Dominix has better tank" (c) Goumindong
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Saint Luka
The Illuminati. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:44:00 -
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Well the main point of self destructing is not supplying the e-peen mail however with the new killmail being introduced in Rev 3 i believe they will probobly implement killmails for self destructs. :| -
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Sensemann
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa , but run away from any serious danger.
Shm isnt the carrier dead if it SelfDestructs? so the only thing you dont get is Loot and Killmail. Selfdestruction make sense Roleplaywise, hell even Capt Picar was doing it Plus, the last thing you want the enemy to have is your faction-Mods
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:47:00 -
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1) this is not CAOD, so keep the ad alliance attacks out of this forum;
2) in war it is a standard procedure to try to deny the gains to the enemy selfdestructing what you can't take away (for ship it is usally called scuttling).
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:52:00 -
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Heh, 0utbreak(corporation of the year!) has no aversion to so dirty practice. Very nice, very nice. --------------------------------- "Zealot is sniper, because Dominix has better tank" (c) Goumindong
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Saint Luka
The Illuminati. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:52:00 -
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Side note: Whilst it's not exactly a respectable way of PVP nor is it acceptable amongst many circles, and i dont talk for my alliance here.
But if i was damped too high hell, unable to fight back etc i would indeed self destruct to avoid billions of loot ending in my enemies hands.
Tactically its a useful tool. -
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:53:00 -
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It's not a problem of what the self-destruct prevents, it's the lack of EVE'ness about it.
It SHOULD:
Destroy ship. Destroy modules. Destroy wreck even. Destroy cargo. Destroy..yes...POD. Cause damage to the nearby ships, dependent on size.
With that, i'm thinking self-destruct wouldn't be so popular, and at the same time, would be a viable tactic.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul 1) this is not CAOD, so keep the ad alliance attacks out of this forum;
Shut up and go to Motsu for more agent-running.
Originally by: Venkul Mul 2) in war it is a standard procedure to try to deny the gains to the enemy selfdestructing what you can't take away (for ship it is usally called scuttling).
May be among your ******** friends it is standard procedure, but in real war it is not so standard as you think sitting in Jita and mining veldspar --------------------------------- "Zealot is sniper, because Dominix has better tank" (c) Goumindong
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Gamesguy
Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Luka Side note: Whilst it's not exactly a respectable way of PVP nor is it acceptable amongst many circles, and i dont talk for my alliance here.
But if i was damped too high hell, unable to fight back etc i would indeed self destruct to avoid billions of loot ending in my enemies hands.
Tactically its a useful tool.
Actually it does leave loot. That hydra carrier we killed a week ago that self-destructed had loot in his wreck.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Luka Side note: Whilst it's not exactly a respectable way of PVP nor is it acceptable amongst many circles, and i dont talk for my alliance here.
But if i was damped too high hell, unable to fight back etc i would indeed self destruct to avoid billions of loot ending in my enemies hands.
Tactically its a useful tool.
I think for killboard it is also quite smart solution. And nobody will kick you out of corporation. --------------------------------- "Zealot is sniper, because Dominix has better tank" (c) Goumindong
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Lady Trade
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Trade on 10/10/2007 09:59:59 So where is the problem with self-destructing exactly? You mean because it's "unfair" to the people that wanted to kill you in the first place?? LOL
Honor has no place in EVE so I think you are pretty alone on this one.
Edit: So what happened to get you so upset? Missed the carrier KM? Got ganked "unfairly" (rofl) by 0utbreak and need to let off some steam? Great thread. |
Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Blands on 10/10/2007 10:03:39 A Ship Bonus to self destruct would be a beautiful ship. tbh
Shofixti Scout With Kill Paws.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: Venkul Mul 1) this is not CAOD, so keep the ad alliance attacks out of this forum;
Shut up and go to Motsu for more agent-running.
Originally by: Venkul Mul 2) in war it is a standard procedure to try to deny the gains to the enemy selfdestructing what you can't take away (for ship it is usally called scuttling).
May be among your ******** friends it is standard procedure, but in real war it is not so standard as you think sitting in Jita and mining veldspar
War like WAR, not make pretense game on PC. And again I see you like attack ad ominem.
To repeat this is not CAOD.
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Gane Green
Gallente The Funny Farm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:04:00 -
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IBTL \o/
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Iyanah
Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem R i s e
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
2) in war it is a standard procedure to try to deny the gains to the enemy selfdestructing what you can't take away (for ship it is usally called scuttling).
quite true. however when you self-destruct, it still creates a wreck with the appropriate loot inside. scuttling was used to deny your enemy the chance of capturing the vessel - especially since sailors used to get ransom pay for capturing an enemy ship.
since it's not possible to board and capture an enemy ship in EVE, the only purpose of self-destructing is to deny your opponent the kill mail (which everyone knows, the e-peen crowd get all hot and bothered for carrier kills). the would-be capital killers still get all the associated loot, but they fail to gain bragging rights. it also looks better to come alliances who say "look, we've never lost a carrier to this enemy". there's two sides to it. personally i'd think "fair enough, they got me fair and square". on the other hand, there are those who just like to scream "LOLZ we gots your caps!!" which it a little sad really. afterall the rule of eve is that you don't fly anything you aren't willing to lose, so if a capital ship i was flying was going down, i'd be taking solace in the fact that i had a spare set-up and waiting in my hangar and such bragging would be meaningless. ========================================== Iy
please remember: I AM a sarcastic ******* and nothing i say has ever represented the thoughts or feelings of my corp, alliance, or anyone really. read |
eXtas
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:20:00 -
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Zixxa did u get ganked and want to cry? atleast do the hate in right forum -------- need new sig :( |
ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: ElCoCo on 10/10/2007 10:38:52 It's no big deal and certainly not a plague (lol?) get over it. If you want to add to a killmail list, make a killmail of your own, it's very legit imo. If the attacked pilot wants to deprive you of loot then it should be possible. I'm surprised selfdestructed ships even leave wrecks behind... they used to only leave ammo at weird occasions.
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Kombat PL
Virtual Democracy YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones It SHOULD:
Destroy ship. Destroy modules. Destroy wreck even. Destroy cargo. Destroy..yes...POD. Cause damage to the nearby ships, dependent on size.
Also if You had cargo full of some explosive stuff (ammo, fuel, etc) it should amplify the explosion damage. It would be cool to see some suicide anti blob warfare ;) Meaby even a T2 self destruct specialist ship hehehehe.
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4rc4ng3L
C R Y O
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:44:00 -
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How gives a flying f**k!
His carrier, he can do whatever the hell he likes with it and that shouldnt affect you.
Whining cos you cant feed the your e-peen with a shiny new carrier KM just makes you look like a dumbass! Which, you probably are... *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*
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Cyno Alt
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa There is some very interesting problem with self-destruct.
Few day ago in 0.0 space RA villains killed few capitals of 0utbreak and TALON-something. But "smart" Outbreak pilot( Markie ) instead being killed as a man just self-destructed own carrier. You know, 0utbreaks are so great... K/D is so fantastic... 0utbreak is corporation of the year... Lost your carrier and you will be kicked out... So self-destruct is much more suitable!
Anyway, what type of solution can be implemented to stop this plague? I think this trick will be very popular among "real pvpers"(like 0utbreak), that can gank only poor isk farmers or stupid belt hunters, but run away from any serious danger.
this from the logoffski alliance.
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Mitsuni Abashadoni
Minmatar The Prowlers
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: Venkul Mul 2) in war it is a standard procedure to try to deny the gains to the enemy selfdestructing what you can't take away (for ship it is usally called scuttling).
May be among your ******** friends it is standard procedure, but in real war it is not so standard as you think sitting in Jita and mining veldspar
If you read up on your history a bit, you'll find out that a fair few russian soldiers called in artillery on their position when they were being overran during the early parts of the battle for Stalingrad. Selfdestructing to deny the enemy loot might not be the same as the ultimate sacrifice to hurt your enemy, and it might be low on honour, but it's still a tactical tool. Imagine you trying to make a living as a pirate off loot; but you keep getting victims who self-destruct, thus leaving you with nothing. The pilot looses everything, but he reckons he'll do that anyway, so might aswell deny the enemy the loot. It's not something I would do, but it's a viable, and a valid tactic.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kombat PL
Originally by: Sheriff Jones It SHOULD:
Destroy ship. Destroy modules. Destroy wreck even. Destroy cargo. Destroy..yes...POD. Cause damage to the nearby ships, dependent on size.
Also if You had cargo full of some explosive stuff (ammo, fuel, etc) it should amplify the explosion damage. It would be cool to see some suicide anti blob warfare ;) Meaby even a T2 self destruct specialist ship hehehehe.
This has been discussed and agreed on SO many times that i'm really curious why it hasn't been put in
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Caine Azuris
Stain independant mining and manufacture company
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa There is some very interesting problem with self-destruct.
Few day ago in 0.0 space RA villains killed few capitals of 0utbreak and TALON-something. But "smart" Outbreak pilot( Markie ) instead being killed as a man just self-destructed own carrier. You know, 0utbreaks are so great... K/D is so fantastic... 0utbreak is corporation of the year... Lost your carrier and you will be kicked out... So self-destruct is much more suitable!
Anyway, what type of solution can be implemented to stop this plague? I think this trick will be very popular among "real pvpers"(like 0utbreak), that can gank only poor isk farmers or stupid belt hunters, but run away from any serious danger.
Who is worse?
The guy that selfdestructs? Or the guy that fakes the killmail?
caine
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:14:00 -
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On the original post though:
Claim that guy is not a man for suiciding JUST to avoid someone getting a killmail. Whining on forums for a guy suiciding and about not getting a killmail.
Pot..kettle...?
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Yarden Tajj
Lost Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:19:00 -
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The end result is the same the carrier is dead. so you didn't get a killmail.... big deal tbfh
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Sensemann
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Yarden Tajj The end result is the same the carrier is dead.
and thats all that counts
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 10/10/2007 11:35:02
Originally by: Zixxa There is some very interesting problem with self-destruct.
Few day ago in 0.0 space RA villains killed few capitals of 0utbreak and TALON-something. But "smart" Outbreak pilot( Markie ) instead being killed as a man just self-destructed own carrier. You know, 0utbreaks are so great... K/D is so fantastic... 0utbreak is corporation of the year... Lost your carrier and you will be kicked out... So self-destruct is much more suitable!
Anyway, what type of solution can be implemented to stop this plague? I think this trick will be very popular among "real pvpers"(like 0utbreak), that can gank only poor isk farmers or stupid belt hunters, but run away from any serious danger.
Simply grab an old killmail and adjust it to fit the recently destroyed carrier, self destructing doesnt change the fact that the carrier died because of whoever was trying to kill it in the first place, a kill is a kill and whoever wanted to hide his loss from the world is now out of luck.
Self destructing however does serve the useful purpose of destroying all your loot, obviously with faction and faction gear self destructing is a very good idea when youve got the time. -----
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:43:00 -
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...so the only thing you dont get is Loot and Killmail...
...the last thing you want the enemy to have is your faction-Mods...
It is wrong that you don't get loot. A selfdestructed ship has some chance to drop loot, as every other shipdestruction has.
But yes, it keeps the killboards clean so that everyone can see your top-notch kill/loss ratio and how insanely uber you are. Hats off for that
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Constance Noring
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:46:00 -
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Killboard stats are completely meaningless anyway, even though I'm sure many pilots will disagree with me and vigorously defend their right to jerk off to their own k:d magnificence.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Hooligans Of War Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:50:00 -
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If you can't kill the Carrier fast enough it's your own fault it get selfdestructed.
It's just an added bonus that you don't get a killmail, nor loot.
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