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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:39:00 -
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There is some very interesting problem with self-destruct.
Few day ago in 0.0 space RA villains killed few capitals of 0utbreak and TALON-something. But "smart" Outbreak pilot( Markie ) instead being killed as a man just self-destructed own carrier. You know, 0utbreaks are so great... K/D is so fantastic... 0utbreak is corporation of the year... Lost your carrier and you will be kicked out... So self-destruct is much more suitable!
Anyway, what type of solution can be implemented to stop this plague?
I think this trick will be very popular among "real pvpers"(like 0utbreak), that can gank only poor isk farmers or stupid belt hunters, but run away from any serious danger.
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Saint Luka
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:44:00 -
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Well the main point of self destructing is not supplying the e-peen mail however with the new killmail being introduced in Rev 3 i believe they will probobly implement killmails for self destructs. :|
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Sensemann
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:47:00 -
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 Originally by: Zixxa
, but run away from any serious danger.
Shm isnt the carrier dead if it SelfDestructs? so the only thing you dont get is Loot and Killmail.
Selfdestruction make sense Roleplaywise, hell even Capt Picar was doing it 
Plus, the last thing you want the enemy to have is your faction-Mods 
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:47:00 -
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1) this is not CAOD, so keep the ad alliance attacks out of this forum;
2) in war it is a standard procedure to try to deny the gains to the enemy selfdestructing what you can't take away (for ship it is usally called scuttling).
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:52:00 -
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Heh, 0utbreak(corporation of the year!) has no aversion to so dirty practice. Very nice, very nice.
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Saint Luka
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:52:00 -
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Side note: Whilst it's not exactly a respectable way of PVP nor is it acceptable amongst many circles, and i dont talk for my alliance here.
But if i was damped too high hell, unable to fight back etc i would indeed self destruct to avoid billions of loot ending in my enemies hands.
Tactically its a useful tool.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:53:00 -
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It's not a problem of what the self-destruct prevents, it's the lack of EVE'ness about it.
It SHOULD:
Destroy ship.
Destroy modules.
Destroy wreck even.
Destroy cargo.
Destroy..yes...POD.
Cause damage to the nearby ships, dependent on size.
With that, i'm thinking self-destruct wouldn't be so popular, and at the same time, would be a viable tactic.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
1) this is not CAOD, so keep the ad alliance attacks out of this forum;
Shut up and go to Motsu for more agent-running.
Originally by: Venkul Mul
2) in war it is a standard procedure to try to deny the gains to the enemy selfdestructing what you can't take away (for ship it is usally called scuttling).
May be among your ******** friends it is standard procedure, but in real war it is not so standard as you think sitting in Jita and mining veldspar
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Luka
Side note: Whilst it's not exactly a respectable way of PVP nor is it acceptable amongst many circles, and i dont talk for my alliance here.
But if i was damped too high hell, unable to fight back etc i would indeed self destruct to avoid billions of loot ending in my enemies hands.
Tactically its a useful tool.
Actually it does leave loot. That hydra carrier we killed a week ago that self-destructed had loot in his wreck.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Luka
Side note: Whilst it's not exactly a respectable way of PVP nor is it acceptable amongst many circles, and i dont talk for my alliance here.
But if i was damped too high hell, unable to fight back etc i would indeed self destruct to avoid billions of loot ending in my enemies hands.
Tactically its a useful tool.
I think for killboard it is also quite smart solution. And nobody will kick you out of corporation.
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Lady Trade
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Trade on 10/10/2007 09:59:59
So where is the problem with self-destructing exactly? You mean because it's "unfair" to the people that wanted to kill you in the first place?? LOL
Honor has no place in EVE so I think you are pretty alone on this one.
Edit: So what happened to get you so upset? Missed the carrier KM? Got ganked "unfairly" (rofl) by 0utbreak and need to let off some steam? Great thread.  |
Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.10.10 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Blands on 10/10/2007 10:03:39
A Ship Bonus to self destruct would be a beautiful ship. tbh
Shofixti Scout With Kill Paws.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: Venkul Mul
1) this is not CAOD, so keep the ad alliance attacks out of this forum;
Shut up and go to Motsu for more agent-running.
Originally by: Venkul Mul
2) in war it is a standard procedure to try to deny the gains to the enemy selfdestructing what you can't take away (for ship it is usally called scuttling).
May be among your ******** friends it is standard procedure, but in real war it is not so standard as you think sitting in Jita and mining veldspar
War like WAR, not make pretense game on PC. And again I see you like attack ad ominem.
To repeat this is not CAOD.
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Gane Green
Gallente
The Funny Farm
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:04:00 -
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IBTL \o/
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Iyanah
Minmatar
Mining Munitions and Mayhem
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
2) in war it is a standard procedure to try to deny the gains to the enemy selfdestructing what you can't take away (for ship it is usally called scuttling).
quite true. however when you self-destruct, it still creates a wreck with the appropriate loot inside. scuttling was used to deny your enemy the chance of capturing the vessel - especially since sailors used to get ransom pay for capturing an enemy ship.
since it's not possible to board and capture an enemy ship in EVE, the only purpose of self-destructing is to deny your opponent the kill mail (which everyone knows, the e-peen crowd get all hot and bothered for carrier kills). the would-be capital killers still get all the associated loot, but they fail to gain bragging rights. it also looks better to come alliances who say "look, we've never lost a carrier to this enemy". there's two sides to it. personally i'd think "fair enough, they got me fair and square". on the other hand, there are those who just like to scream "LOLZ we gots your caps!!" which it a little sad really. afterall the rule of eve is that you don't fly anything you aren't willing to lose, so if a capital ship i was flying was going down, i'd be taking solace in the fact that i had a spare set-up and waiting in my hangar and such bragging would be meaningless.
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eXtas
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:20:00 -
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Zixxa did u get ganked and want to cry? atleast do the hate in right forum 
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: ElCoCo on 10/10/2007 10:38:52
It's no big deal and certainly not a plague (lol?) get over it.
If you want to add to a killmail list, make a killmail of your own, it's very legit imo.
If the attacked pilot wants to deprive you of loot then it should be possible.
I'm surprised selfdestructed ships even leave wrecks behind... they used to only leave ammo at weird occasions.
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Kombat PL
Virtual Democracy
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
It SHOULD:
Destroy ship.
Destroy modules.
Destroy wreck even.
Destroy cargo.
Destroy..yes...POD.
Cause damage to the nearby ships, dependent on size.
Also if You had cargo full of some explosive stuff (ammo, fuel, etc) it should amplify the explosion damage. It would be cool to see some suicide anti blob warfare ;) Meaby even a T2 self destruct specialist ship hehehehe.
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4rc4ng3L
C R Y O
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:44:00 -
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How gives a flying f**k!
His carrier, he can do whatever the hell he likes with it and that shouldnt affect you.
Whining cos you cant feed the your e-peen with a shiny new carrier KM just makes you look like a dumbass! Which, you probably are...
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Cyno Alt
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Posted - 2007.10.10 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
There is some very interesting problem with self-destruct.
Few day ago in 0.0 space RA villains killed few capitals of 0utbreak and TALON-something. But "smart" Outbreak pilot( Markie ) instead being killed as a man just self-destructed own carrier. You know, 0utbreaks are so great... K/D is so fantastic... 0utbreak is corporation of the year... Lost your carrier and you will be kicked out... So self-destruct is much more suitable!
Anyway, what type of solution can be implemented to stop this plague?
I think this trick will be very popular among "real pvpers"(like 0utbreak), that can gank only poor isk farmers or stupid belt hunters, but run away from any serious danger.
this from the logoffski alliance.
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Mitsuni Abashadoni
Minmatar
The Prowlers
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: Venkul Mul
2) in war it is a standard procedure to try to deny the gains to the enemy selfdestructing what you can't take away (for ship it is usally called scuttling).
May be among your ******** friends it is standard procedure, but in real war it is not so standard as you think sitting in Jita and mining veldspar
If you read up on your history a bit, you'll find out that a fair few russian soldiers called in artillery on their position when they were being overran during the early parts of the battle for Stalingrad. Selfdestructing to deny the enemy loot might not be the same as the ultimate sacrifice to hurt your enemy, and it might be low on honour, but it's still a tactical tool. Imagine you trying to make a living as a pirate off loot; but you keep getting victims who self-destruct, thus leaving you with nothing. The pilot looses everything, but he reckons he'll do that anyway, so might aswell deny the enemy the loot. It's not something I would do, but it's a viable, and a valid tactic.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kombat PL
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
It SHOULD:
Destroy ship.
Destroy modules.
Destroy wreck even.
Destroy cargo.
Destroy..yes...POD.
Cause damage to the nearby ships, dependent on size.
Also if You had cargo full of some explosive stuff (ammo, fuel, etc) it should amplify the explosion damage. It would be cool to see some suicide anti blob warfare ;) Meaby even a T2 self destruct specialist ship hehehehe.
This has been discussed and agreed on SO many times that i'm really curious why it hasn't been put in
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Caine Azuris
Stain independant mining and manufacture company
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
There is some very interesting problem with self-destruct.
Few day ago in 0.0 space RA villains killed few capitals of 0utbreak and TALON-something. But "smart" Outbreak pilot( Markie ) instead being killed as a man just self-destructed own carrier. You know, 0utbreaks are so great... K/D is so fantastic... 0utbreak is corporation of the year... Lost your carrier and you will be kicked out... So self-destruct is much more suitable!
Anyway, what type of solution can be implemented to stop this plague?
I think this trick will be very popular among "real pvpers"(like 0utbreak), that can gank only poor isk farmers or stupid belt hunters, but run away from any serious danger.
Who is worse?
The guy that selfdestructs?
Or the guy that fakes the killmail?
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:14:00 -
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On the original post though:
Claim that guy is not a man for suiciding JUST to avoid someone getting a killmail.
Whining on forums for a guy suiciding and about not getting a killmail.
Pot..kettle...?
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Yarden Tajj
Lost Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:19:00 -
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The end result is the same the carrier is dead.
so you didn't get a killmail.... big deal tbfh
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Sensemann
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Yarden Tajj
The end result is the same the carrier is dead.
and thats all that counts
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 10/10/2007 11:35:02
Originally by: Zixxa
There is some very interesting problem with self-destruct.
Few day ago in 0.0 space RA villains killed few capitals of 0utbreak and TALON-something. But "smart" Outbreak pilot( Markie ) instead being killed as a man just self-destructed own carrier. You know, 0utbreaks are so great... K/D is so fantastic... 0utbreak is corporation of the year... Lost your carrier and you will be kicked out... So self-destruct is much more suitable!
Anyway, what type of solution can be implemented to stop this plague?
I think this trick will be very popular among "real pvpers"(like 0utbreak), that can gank only poor isk farmers or stupid belt hunters, but run away from any serious danger.
Simply grab an old killmail and adjust it to fit the recently destroyed carrier, self destructing doesnt change the fact that the carrier died because of whoever was trying to kill it in the first place, a kill is a kill and whoever wanted to hide his loss from the world is now out of luck.
Self destructing however does serve the useful purpose of destroying all your loot, obviously with faction and faction gear self destructing is a very good idea when youve got the time.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:43:00 -
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...so the only thing you dont get is Loot and Killmail...
...the last thing you want the enemy to have is your faction-Mods...
It is wrong that you don't get loot. A selfdestructed ship has some chance to drop loot, as every other shipdestruction has.
But yes, it keeps the killboards clean so that everyone can see your top-notch kill/loss ratio and how insanely uber you are. Hats off for that 
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Constance Noring
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:46:00 -
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Killboard stats are completely meaningless anyway, even though I'm sure many pilots will disagree with me and vigorously defend their right to jerk off to their own k:d magnificence.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Hooligans Of War
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.10.10 11:50:00 -
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If you can't kill the Carrier fast enough it's your own fault it get selfdestructed.
It's just an added bonus that you don't get a killmail, nor loot.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.10.10 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: eXtas
Zixxa did u get ganked and want to cry? atleast do the hate in right forum
Wow, ****** from 0utbreak is mumbling somting?
You can gank only isk farmers. You cannot gank me, because I am flying in fleet and you, brave warriors, runs, docks and logoffs when any fleet is in 20 jumps from you.
So, it is normal for 0utbreak - use mean methods to have good K/D? Recall how you lost carrier - and immediately kicked loosers from the corporation
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.10 12:48:00 -
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You want to talk about taking it like a man from an alliance who are proud of logging of to avoid death . Ahahahahahahahaaaaa
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Cynta
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Posted - 2007.10.10 13:06:00 -
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Well, certain people also like to cyno carrier blobs on roaming gangs while already having overhelming forces themself... Let's throw that bucklet of gasoline in fire too, eh? |
fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.10 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cynta
Well, certain people also like to cyno carrier blobs on roaming gangs while already having overhelming forces themself... Let's throw that bucklet of gasoline in fire too, eh?
You're trying to compare using capital ships as intended to logging off to avoid battle. Darwin isn't your friend is he 
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Dan Markov
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Posted - 2007.10.10 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
There is some very interesting problem with self-destruct.
Few day ago in 0.0 space RA villains killed few capitals of 0utbreak and TALON-something. But "smart" Outbreak pilot( Markie ) instead being killed as a man just self-destructed own carrier. You know, 0utbreaks are so great... K/D is so fantastic... 0utbreak is corporation of the year... Lost your carrier and you will be kicked out... So self-destruct is much more suitable!
Anyway, what type of solution can be implemented to stop this plague?
I think this trick will be very popular among "real pvpers"(like 0utbreak), that can gank only poor isk farmers or stupid belt hunters, but run away from any serious danger.
Hello bitter RA alt who post fakemails on theirs killboard.
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murder one
Gallente
Blood Corsair's
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Posted - 2007.10.10 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
There is some very interesting problem with self-destruct.
Few day ago in 0.0 space RA villains killed few capitals of 0utbreak and TALON-something. But "smart" Outbreak pilot( Markie ) instead being killed as a man just self-destructed own carrier. You know, 0utbreaks are so great... K/D is so fantastic... 0utbreak is corporation of the year... Lost your carrier and you will be kicked out... So self-destruct is much more suitable!
Anyway, what type of solution can be implemented to stop this plague?
I think this trick will be very popular among "real pvpers"(like 0utbreak), that can gank only poor isk farmers or stupid belt hunters, but run away from any serious danger.
You're still not banned?
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2007.10.10 14:58:00 -
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Being it's thier ship why cant they do what they please with it? Your addiction to killmails is the problem the result is the same. He lost his carrier.
DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale!
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.10 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
I HAB BEEN WRONGED!
Makes perfect sense to self-destruct if he can, since it does two things:
1. Denies the enemy loot
2. Denies the enemy the killmail, preventing him from knowing your exact fitting.
This is like saying you're not a man if you use a cloaking device on a combat ship. 
This kind of stupidity belongs in CAOD, I advise you return there.
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Christari Zuborov
Amarr
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.10 15:06:00 -
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Self-Destruct SHOULD do the following:
1) Destroys cargo
2) Destroys modules
3) Destroys wreck
4) based on size of ship,
Titan explosion radius and strength equal to DDD
Carrier 1/2 DDD
BS 1/4 DDD
Cruiser 1/8 DDD
Destroyer 1/16 DDD
Frigate 1/32 DDD
I would think mechanically in the game, after ship destruction, DDD of appropriate strength is placed near the wreck with a .01/sec timer. Should destroy the users pod, his wreck, wrecks nearby, and possibly ships nearby as well depending on the ships original size.
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Caldess
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.10 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
Heh, 0utbreak(corporation of the year!) has no aversion to so dirty practice. Very nice, very nice.
Greetings,
If you would like to inquire about our policies and endorsed piloting practices, please feel free to contact us at http://forum.outbreak-eve.com/ or send one of the directors an eveMail, or convo.
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Rakeris
Brethren Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.10 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Rakeris on 10/10/2007 15:22:32
Whatever 0utbreak, is doing, they much be doing it right. As they sure are making some annoying *****s mad. So keep it up guys!
EDIT: Ok wtf, how is pr-ick a bad word....kinda like *****...
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mallina
Caldari
Sybrite Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 15:44:00 -
[42]
knowing Markie that carrier was probably pimped out to hell and back. Self-destructing in this case was a wise move and it just sounds like you're whining because you didn't get a killmail.
The carrier died - isn't all that matters?
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Zenst
Gallente
Omniscient Order
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.10 15:48:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Zixxa
There is some very interesting problem with self-destruct.
Few day ago in 0.0 space RA villains killed few capitals of 0utbreak and TALON-something. But "smart" Outbreak pilot( Markie ) instead being killed as a man just self-destructed own carrier. You know, 0utbreaks are so great... K/D is so fantastic... 0utbreak is corporation of the year... Lost your carrier and you will be kicked out... So self-destruct is much more suitable!
Anyway, what type of solution can be implemented to stop this plague?
I think this trick will be very popular among "real pvpers"(like 0utbreak), that can gank only poor isk farmers or stupid belt hunters, but run away from any serious danger.
you know you right, that is darn annoying.
Simple fix - cant initiate self-destruct whilst locked.
There problem solved. Now for a patch with it.
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Nicho Void
Gallente
Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2007.10.10 15:51:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Zenst
Originally by: Zixxa
There is some very interesting problem with self-destruct.
Few day ago in 0.0 space RA villains killed few capitals of 0utbreak and TALON-something. But "smart" Outbreak pilot( Markie ) instead being killed as a man just self-destructed own carrier. You know, 0utbreaks are so great... K/D is so fantastic... 0utbreak is corporation of the year... Lost your carrier and you will be kicked out... So self-destruct is much more suitable!
Anyway, what type of solution can be implemented to stop this plague?
I think this trick will be very popular among "real pvpers"(like 0utbreak), that can gank only poor isk farmers or stupid belt hunters, but run away from any serious danger.
you know you right, that is darn annoying.
Simple fix - cant initiate self-destruct whilst locked.
There problem solved. Now for a patch with it.
Yes, limit the things I can do with my own ship. I want to blow it up? Too damn bad, you've got to fly it into a hostile gate camp to accomplish that. What next? I want to turn on reppers? **** that! I might not kill you and get the loot if that happens. Nerf tanking!
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Zenst
Gallente
Omniscient Order
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.10 16:08:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Nicho Void
Originally by: Zenst
Originally by: Zixxa
There is some very interesting problem with self-destruct.
Few day ago in 0.0 space RA villains killed few capitals of 0utbreak and TALON-something. But "smart" <SNIP>
you know you right, that is darn annoying.
Simple fix - cant initiate self-destruct whilst locked.
There problem solved. Now for a patch with it.
Yes, limit the things I can do with my own ship. I want to blow it up? Too damn bad, you've got to fly it into a hostile gate camp to accomplish that. What next? I want to turn on reppers? **** that! I might not kill you and get the loot if that happens. Nerf tanking!
WHAT! Mate your have seriously missed the plot if thats how you see it. Did I say you had to warp to a gate to accomplish a self-destruct - errr no, not in the slightest. But if my solution fails your personal standards then I'm sorry, it was a soloution to a problem and unless you can come up with something more constructive then going off at a tangent on others is hardly scoring the constructive points with anybody.
Now if you dont think there is a porblem then just say so instead of going of on some loopy tripped interpritation of a proposed solution.
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warpod
Amarr
People Desintegration Project
The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.10.10 16:09:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Zixxa
You cannot gank me, because I am flying in fleet and you, brave warriors, runs, docks and logoffs when any fleet is in 20 jumps from you.
A fleet of ravens? Or I missed something and 0.0 alliances are formed from NPC corp characters?
Or you just so brave and afraid to show up you real ID?
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eXtas
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.10 16:15:00 -
[47]
farming ravens are dangerous! I think they fight back more then most ppl!
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.10 16:27:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Kombat PL
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
It SHOULD:
Destroy ship.
Destroy modules.
Destroy wreck even.
Destroy cargo.
Destroy..yes...POD.
Cause damage to the nearby ships, dependent on size.
Also if You had cargo full of some explosive stuff (ammo, fuel, etc) it should amplify the explosion damage. It would be cool to see some suicide anti blob warfare ;) Meaby even a T2 self destruct specialist ship hehehehe.
This has been discussed and agreed on SO many times that i'm really curious why it hasn't been put in
Maybe because setting a Iteron 5 with T1 cheap extenders, full of the most damaging ammo and self destructing on the exit point of jita 4-4 would start a chain raction of concord/blow up/more concord/more blow up sufficent to crash the server?
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.10.10 16:31:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Kombat PL
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
It SHOULD:
Destroy ship.
Destroy modules.
Destroy wreck even.
Destroy cargo.
Destroy..yes...POD.
Cause damage to the nearby ships, dependent on size.
Also if You had cargo full of some explosive stuff (ammo, fuel, etc) it should amplify the explosion damage. It would be cool to see some suicide anti blob warfare ;) Meaby even a T2 self destruct specialist ship hehehehe.
This has been discussed and agreed on SO many times that i'm really curious why it hasn't been put in
Maybe because setting a Iteron 5 with T1 cheap extenders, full of the most damaging ammo and self destructing on the exit point of jita 4-4 would start a chain raction of concord/blow up/more concord/more blow up sufficent to crash the server?
Nah, high-sec--> set self destruct-->concord pop you.
Takes less then two minutes for sure.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: eXtas
farming ravens are dangerous! I think they fight back more then most ppl!
For your corporation even isk farming ravens are dangerous. Because loss from small poor farmer may damage your corporation K/D.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.10.10 17:10:00 -
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Just forbid self-destructing being aggroed and mean people from "Famous" 0utbreak stop their stupid tricks for saving K/D rate.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.10 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
Just forbid self-destructing being aggroed and mean people from "Famous" 0utbreak stop their stupid tricks for saving K/D rate.
You know, arguing with 0utbreak members in ways that have nothing to do with the point you were supposedly trying to make, combined with your general angry ranting style, isn't really aiding your argument.
Are you anti self-destruct or anti 0utbreak? Right now it looks alot like the latter.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.10.10 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: warpod
Originally by: Zixxa
You cannot gank me, because I am flying in fleet and you, brave warriors, runs, docks and logoffs when any fleet is in 20 jumps from you.
A fleet of ravens? Or I missed something and 0.0 alliances are formed from NPC corp characters?
Or you just so brave and afraid to show up you real ID?
Yet another stupid imperial carebear. Noob! Go-go to your mommy. Tell her how you and your friends are great in Jita.
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.10.10 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Zixxa
Just forbid self-destructing being aggroed and mean people from "Famous" 0utbreak stop their stupid tricks for saving K/D rate.
You know, arguing with 0utbreak members in ways that have nothing to do with the point you were supposedly trying to make, combined with your general angry ranting style, isn't really aiding your argument.
Are you anti self-destruct or anti 0utbreak? Right now it looks alot like the latter.
I do not worry about results.
I do not like self-destruct at all.
I hate when so mean trick is used by "The Greatest Pvp Corporation in Eve". It is shame.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.10 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Zixxa
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Zixxa
Just forbid self-destructing being aggroed and mean people from "Famous" 0utbreak stop their stupid tricks for saving K/D rate.
You know, arguing with 0utbreak members in ways that have nothing to do with the point you were supposedly trying to make, combined with your general angry ranting style, isn't really aiding your argument.
Are you anti self-destruct or anti 0utbreak? Right now it looks alot like the latter.
I do not worry about results.
I do not like self-destruct at all.
I hate when so mean trick is used by "The Greatest Pvp Corporation in Eve". It is shame.
Great, you made your point. So why are you still in this thread, not responding to logical arguments made for self-destructing, and flaming random people who disagree with you?
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Barashi Nugan
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.10.10 21:41:00 -
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Ok, regardless of all the "outbreak sucks" and "waa waa I didn't get a killmail" BS, can anyone confirm that the modules are in fact destroyed by self-destructing?
I've always been told that everything was nuked when you SD'd, but I've never tested it.
I guess I can test it with a cheap destroyer tonight. 8 cheap guns + 5 mid/low slots should leave *something* in the wreck if scuttling actually destroys the mods. And I'll have 10+ piles of some cheap ammo in the bay, to test the theory that only cargo is spared.
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Aramendel
Amarr
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.10 21:46:00 -
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AFAIK ammo (or other charges like cap boosters or probes) which you have *loaded* in the appropriate modules does not go poof.
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Kaemonn
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Posted - 2007.10.10 21:47:00 -
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Keep threads of this type in CAOD.
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Originally by: kieron: off duty
You dont have to swallow!
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