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Closer Still
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:33:00 -
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4 carriers, all have their pro's and con's obviously.
however, before making such a discision like which one, i'd like to ask the players of eve for their help :)
this carrier shouldnt do much more than small gangs / protecting miners in low sec space (not 0.0).
i know a carrier isnt supposed to be a solo pwnmobile and that gets stressed alot, but there may be times where one corpmate logs disconects while another logs and i may be left alone,
so itd be nice to have a carrier that can hold its own when support is on its way or not coming.
any suggestions?
thanks 
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:36:00 -
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Thanatos! Thanatos! Thanatos!
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Xilimyth Derlin
OldBastardsPub
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:38:00 -
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The Thanatos right now is the staple of all carriers it seems (primarily due to a fighter damage bonus)... though I know people who will swear by the Amarr carrier's ability to tank.
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Xanstin
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Closer Still
this carrier shouldnt do much more than small gangs / protecting miners in low sec space (not 0.0).
It doesn't matter, because as soon as you are found you will have a ridiculously large gang on you, and you will die. Do not use carriers in lowsec belts, ever. And they aren't really mobile enough for small gangs, because you have to wait 5/10 minutes for the cyno-ship to move each time.
If you are alone in a carrier and people engage you, odds are they are going to have their own support, and you will die.
All that stuff aside, archon, for best tank and sexiness.
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bldyannoyed
Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:40:00 -
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What race BS 5 do you have?
Cos whatever race it is thats the race carrier you should train.
NONE of them are worth the extra training time for another racil BS to lvl5 to fly. They all do basically the same thing. If all you want is a carrier to fly support thna there is virtually nothing to tell between them.
If you dont have any BS5 yet it comes down to the Thanatos or the Archon as those 2 have SLIGHTLT more leeway about how you can fit them. Which is to say they can be pretty effectively passive tanked and turned into really dangerous solo/small gang ships, at least untill they blow up.
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Closer Still
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:47:00 -
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no bs V's, so im free to anything hehe.
also, what makes the archon's tank so much more popular than the chimera's just outa curiosity?
Originally by: Xanstin
Originally by: Closer Still
this carrier shouldnt do much more than small gangs / protecting miners in low sec space (not 0.0).
It doesn't matter, because as soon as you are found you will have a ridiculously large gang on you, and you will die. Do not use carriers in lowsec belts, ever. And they aren't really mobile enough for small gangs, because you have to wait 5/10 minutes for the cyno-ship to move each time.
If you are alone in a carrier and people engage you, odds are they are going to have their own support, and you will die.
All that stuff aside, archon, for best tank and sexiness.
i actually intended on sitting in a safespot with cloaking on (lameness squared, i know) and 'coming to the rescue' after an ally put a disruptor on him/her/them)
am i forgetting something? is this a bad tactic?
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bldyannoyed
Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:49:00 -
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How much have you played Eve?
And how much do you know about Carriers?
Sitting in a safespot waiting to arp in is no help at all cos all your mates will be dead before you get there.
I always try to be helpfull but sometimes there is just no hope for poeople.
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Oregon sinful
The Ankou
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:52:00 -
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I doesn't matter what carrier you fly, I'm going to kill you regardless. Fit Faction please.
So ganking defenseless miners are "pvp" now?
Then killing small children must be "street fighting" or something? |
Closer Still
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Posted - 2007.10.11 01:53:00 -
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right i forgot, every battle in eve lasts under half a minute...
was that a serious comment?
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Arvald
Caldari
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:09:00 -
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if your wanting to protect people in low sec just get 5 guys in stealth bombers, 5 of these mofos together do massive damage and you have the OMGWHERETEHELLDIDTHEYCOMEFROM!!! factor
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Conroy Peckerwood
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Conroy Peckerwood on 11/10/2007 02:48:12
For small gangs and in low sec..
Hmm use a battleship or a battle cruiser.
Oh yeah a definatly a battlecruiser or a commandship. you could even train mining foreman and and use the gang link module to boost their mining. (or is that just for the Rorqual now?)
Id suggest a drake. Tanks like a beast and you can put some ECM drones in it and put them on the pirates if they try to tackle your miners, allowing your friends to escape.
Anyways.. No matter what ship you bring, expect to loose it. But if you can trade a BC that costs maybe 60mill with fittings for a couple of hulks, then thats a fair deal.
This only works if its a fairly quiet low sec system.. if its a busy low sec system, then it wouldnt matter what ship you would use.. the bigger it is, the more attention you will get from pirates.
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Conroy Peckerwood
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Posted - 2007.10.11 02:53:00 -
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Oh and why you would use a ship worth a billion without fittings to protect assets worth maybe 150 million each, is beyond me.
Ok. If you have 10 friends in hulks mining, Im starting to see your point. But then no single ship could protect them from the kind of attention that ammount of easy money would attract.
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Alexi Stokov
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:34:00 -
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Wouldn't the Chimera now be a good choice for tanking? The argument that I have heard before was that it was tough to shield tank due to a lack in CPU. With the last patch they increased the CPU by 50....has this changed that argument or is the Archon still the best tanking choice?
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Xaeon
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:39:00 -
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I use my Chimera when I want a tank, my Thanatos when I need damage.
The Thanatos gets a bonus to both shield and armour repping - and I'm not sure which you'll be using more (if either), but could be something to keep in mind.
Xaeon
Chapter VII 23/06/07 |
Derrios
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.11 03:57:00 -
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Carriers imo : Archon -> Thanatos -> Chimera -> Glorified Tent
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Idara
Caldari
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.11 05:19:00 -
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I trained for my Archon because I felt the need to have a good tank was a little more important in a fleet situation than getting an extra bit of damage.
Besides, 7 lows is nice.
Let the Thannies get higher on KMs with their fighters.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.11 07:57:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 11/10/2007 07:58:42
Originally by: Xilimyth Derlin
The Thanatos right now is the staple of all carriers it seems (primarily due to a fighter damage bonus)... though I know people who will swear by the Amarr carrier's ability to tank.
I also know some people who swear by the Chimera for it's ability to fit a sick permatank with lots of cap left for remote repping, while still having 2 spare mids to fit sensorboosters/ECCM/tackle gear as you please.
And while many people dis it for being the ugly duckling, the Nidhoggur can field a tank close to that of the chimera while having even larger amounts of cap to spill on remote repping.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: Atius Tirawa on 11/10/2007 08:05:22
http://www.student.ru.nl/martindevillers/rmrnstuff.html
its oldm but its still true.
killer8 ftw!!
But in all seriousness - Archon or Thanatos. Chimera at least has a good tank, the Nag-whatever just looks cool. (and no, we are not going to get a buff - ever)
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General Apocalypse
Amarr
The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:08:00 -
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Tried all of them except the Minmatar one and personally Archon comes on top . A rock solid tank and capable of fitting some decent EW . Nothing beets it IMHO . Combine it whit the "correct dread" and you end up whit a formidabile fleet.
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
nerf ccp plz
Originally by: CCP Oveur
To the gankmobile!
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mama guru
Gallente
Corp 1 Allstars
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:14:00 -
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Thanatos>archon>chimera>rusty tent.
The thanatos got the biggest dronebay and some extra dps. but the archon has imo the best slotlayout if youre into armortanking.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:27:00 -
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Archon and Thanatos are pretty equal, the awesome tank of the archon makes up for the better dps of the thanatos.
Stay away from the other two carriers, Chimera has Cap issues and probably still cpu issues when fitting and the Nid is simply inferior to all other carriers and needs a serious boost.
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:40:00 -
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Its really really not worth it.
Not for protecting miners, anyway...
Izo Azlion.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.11 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Wang
Archon and Thanatos are pretty equal, the awesome tank of the archon makes up for the better dps of the thanatos.
Stay away from the other two carriers, Chimera has Cap issues and probably still cpu issues when fitting and the Nid is simply inferior to all other carriers and needs a serious boost.
Don't speak on the subject when you have absolutely no clue of anything remotely related to the subject plzkthx.
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:51:00 -
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I fly thanatos but I kinda wish I had an archon. I prefer amarr/gallente to caldari because you can take the cap recharges out of your meds and put in tackling gear and still run a tank.
Archon has 33.33% tank bonus and thanatos has a 25% fighter dmg bonus.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.11 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: twit brent
I fly thanatos but I kinda wish I had an archon. I prefer amarr/gallente to caldari because you can take the cap recharges out of your meds and put in tackling gear and still run a tank.
Archon has 33.33% tank bonus and thanatos has a 25% fighter dmg bonus.
I've been curious for Archon setups myself, i've never flown one but i would fit it like this (if at all possible)
2x cap armor rep, 1x cap transfer 1x smartbomb, cloak
1x sensorbooster 1x eccm 2x cap recharger
2x repper, 2x eanm 1x dmg control 2x cap power relay
3x ccc rig
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:25:00 -
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Nidhoggur is actually a very versatile carrier and can perform very well solo with the right fitting. It dosen't tank very well though (although I put a Passive Defence gang mod in one of the highs, with a mindlink it's basically like adding a faction EANM to the armour tank and boosting tankable DPS by 800)
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Deacon Ix
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:31:00 -
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I currently fly a Chimera and can with a t2 fit can perma tank 3700 DPS with enough cap recharge left over to survive a couple of NOS/Neuts
This fit includes a Warp Disrupter to prevent any opponents warping off when you set your fighters on them.
I am currently Training Gallente BS V as after flying Caldari for almost 2 years I have got tired of not being able to fit any EWar / anti EWar (boosters ect)
Love useing my Chimeral Fit for transport logistics tho - I can use the same cynos 3/4 times and I have enough cap to jump again before I can log in the next cyno alt.
Originally by: Steini OFSI
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
Its really really not worth it.
Not for protecting miners, anyway...
Yeah, this guy's right on this topic. Flying a carrier is akin to hanging up a "Shoot Me!" sign on yourself. Don't do so unless you have the support to keep yourself safe (of course, you could always use it for logistics and keep it in the hangar the rest of the time).
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Fujiko MaXjolt
Caldari
Templar Republic
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.11 11:35:00 -
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As far as the Nidhoggur goes, you can easily run two capital reppers on it with cap left over, and regen to shut one off and jump out (if unscrambled, obviously) before they get through your structure.
And, like said before, it's quite versatile - but will NEVER be anything approaching a solo-anything...
It's a teamplayer, all the way 
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Waxau
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.10.11 12:02:00 -
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Ok - Id highly reccomend you DONT use a carrier for defending miners in low sec. Not being funny, but you will be killed very easily. Two neut/cap transfer domis can actually kill a carrier. Although thats a rather tricky situation which i wont get into. Plus your carrier - you can do what you like.
As for which ones....
thanatos' damage bonus only applies when the fighters are under your control, and not assigned. Its tank, being armor - Is relatively decent. However, my personal opinion is Archon. Its tank is fantastic for a number of reasons.
1 - High capacitor.
2 - Easy to fit (compared to what i have to fit:P)
3 - Resistances
4 - Mid slots for everything else
Then if you compare it to its sister, the Chimera - Chimera is harder to fit a tank on. Simply due to cpu needs of the shield mods. Then the fact that its cap is worse than the archon. And then ontop of that, Shields tend to be more hp per second, but at a higher capacitor cost per second. So depends where your skills reside.
Then the Nid - Not going to say its a bad carrier, as ive seen many wondrous things with them, and theyre far from gimped. But as with all minnie ships - You cant fly them well as soon as you hop in them. And this includes out of game skills. As in - tactics, or what have you. But for what you're doing i dont think its best.
Now - The actual fact that you're guarding miners in low sec, i will say this:
All it takes is an interceptor flying at 5kms, and the majority of your drones wont be able to do jack against him. And at 20km out, a smartbomb wont help. And then its only a case of waiting.
And then, in reference to your sarcastic comment to 1.5 minute long fights. any competent gang would be able to take you out in that time. Either heavy neut, or heavy dps.
In short: You, sitting in a carrier, surrounded by hulks IS an easy juicy target. The carrier wont scare off others, nor will it help you defend your miners. It'll increase your hassle and its extra isk waiting to be lost.
But as i said - Your ship, do as you wish.
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