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Miss Fiona
Gallente
Nexus Trading guild
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Posted - 2007.10.11 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Fiona on 11/10/2007 22:42:03
- Nexus Trading guild
(NTG)
Contents
1) Introduction
2) Timeframe
3) Description of Offering
4) Estimated Earnings
5) Share Purchasing Information
6) Share Repurchasing Information
7) Extra info.
1) Introduction
I have been Trading and doing marketing for about 7 months.
while building a corp.The corp have 25 people and 11 alts.
And have gotten a idea bigger than our self! To make this
come true we need help from you. Done a hard effort our self we have.
to sell of all most everything we have to go for this our self.
The corp see the huge profit margin that can be made, if this is done correct.
2) Timeframe
NTG offer 2 sets of options for investors,
short and medium term.
*Short term goes over 3 months.
Pay out is 50% and a buyback of 70% on each share
Medium term goes over 6 months with a 125%
pay out.a buyback of 90% of the share price
is offered.
*Terms apply to Short term.
Share holders may not reinvest into the corp.
if you chose to sell out after 3 months.
Share holders may ask for keeping your shares, and converting
to the 6 month plan.
but will not be paid
more than 100%
but the 90% buyback option
will be open for you.
3) Description of Offering
To establish and maintain a Tech 2 ship production facility
that will produce 60 ships per week will require approximately
30 billion isk of capital.
This includes all invention costs,
as well as raw materials to cover the first 60 ships.
We have acquired, using my Corp assets, an initial supply of Data cores.
The additional isk necessary to complete this venture
will be provided through the shares issued via this IPO.
There will be a total of 10 million shares,
and those shares have a initial value of 1,000,000 isk (1 million)
We would love to see alot more invested than 30 billion
as we can cover alot more Inventing and building.
so theres no high on the ammount of shares that will be sold!
4) Estimated Earnings
Earnings will come from two main streams.
The first will be the sale of Tech 2 ships.
The second stream will be through the sale of components that
we have stock piled and find a higher
profit in selling than using for production.
We Expect to make about 200-250% on the sales.
as we are doing a good job at
buying very low.
This is per 60 ships which we hope to make each month.
and have a new batch ready each month.
We aim to build big, and sell at the lowest price,
due to our unique low building cost,our ships will
be the lowest priced in any amount on sale.
there for we will sell more, and faster than alot
of others. and be able to reinvest thees isk
into a new batch, and keep going until,
the last month, where we will look at
what we should do in the future.
5) Share Purchasing Information
To purchase shares, send increments of 1,000,000 isk (1 million)
to Miss Fiona along with an eve-mail with
the number of shares you are requesting.
After payment is confirmed you will be invited to join a mailing list
in game as well as a Chat channel that will provide
weekly updates and Special offers on the new ships.
6) Share Repurchasing Information
After six months,for Medium and 3 months for short.
NTG will begin offering share repurchases.
This plan will be guaranteed to all Shareholders
if they wish to cash in there shares.
Share repurchases at 90% will only be offered on
shares that have been held for 6 months
3 month plan shares will be bought back at 70%.
7) Extra info
Basic idea of Cost of building new tech 2 battelships
Basic invention guide
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Miss Fiona
Gallente
Nexus Trading guild
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Posted - 2007.10.11 22:42:00 -
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Reserved for 2 part.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.10.11 22:43:00 -
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interrupt
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Digital Nightfall
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Posted - 2007.10.11 22:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Nyphur
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haha, I see what you did there. Full stop.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:02:00 -
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Holy bad formatting batman.
Ok. 30 Billion isk. Does anyone in your corp have a reputation or have people to vouch for your trustworthiness?
I don't quite see why 30 billion is needed for what you are doing... but I guess that's not gonna be answered since you likely won't tell us which ships you are making.
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Meleil
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:08:00 -
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What's stopping someone who has bought shares at 3 months from just keeping them up to the 6 month run and get the 125% profits that the 6 month peoples get? Your plans interesting, but you haven't covered that. Also why two different buyback options? Technically you only get 30% profits from the 3 month deal and only 115% from the 6 month deal. Considering investor uses the buyback option.
~Mel
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:12:00 -
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Quote:
The corp have 25 people and 11 alts.
And have gotten a idea bigger than our self! To make this
come true we need help from you. Done a hard effort our self we have.
to sell of all most everything we have to go for this our self.
The corp see the huge profit margin that can be made, if this is done correct.
I understand that english may not be your first language...
1. You need more disclosure
2. You'll need a 3rd party to attest to your alleged sales.
I'm distrustful of this IPO.
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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Miss Fiona
Gallente
Nexus Trading guild
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Fiona on 11/10/2007 23:21:53
Originally by: Meleil
What's stopping someone who has bought shares at 3 months from just keeping them up to the 6 month run and get the 125% profits that the 6 month peoples get? Your plans interesting, but you haven't covered that. Also why two different buyback options? Technically you only get 30% profits from the 3 month deal and only 115% from the 6 month deal. Considering investor uses the buyback option.
~Mel
Yes we have coverd that ;) read over it once more
point to terms apply to 3 months.
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Miss Fiona
Gallente
Nexus Trading guild
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Hexxx
Quote:
The corp have 25 people and 11 alts.
And have gotten a idea bigger than our self! To make this
come true we need help from you. Done a hard effort our self we have.
to sell of all most everything we have to go for this our self.
The corp see the huge profit margin that can be made, if this is done correct.
I understand that english may not be your first language...
1. You need more disclosure
2. You'll need a 3rd party to attest to your alleged sales.
I'm distrustful of this IPO.
Yes your right about that ;)
1. i will give more disclosure to anyone whom ask me in game, our corp do not feel its wise to post every info about this on the fourm.
we havent sold anything yet, the ships havent gotten on Tq yet.
ofcurse you should be distrustful of any ipo, feel free to chat me op for more info if you wish.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Fiona
we havent sold anything yet, the ships havent gotten on Tq yet.
So, I guess, the question really is: What have you & your corp been successful at so far? (Just curious.)
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Letias
Caldari
Teikoku Trade Conglomerate
Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2007.10.11 23:50:00 -
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So if you make 100% profit or more on t2 ships do the investors get the extra as dividends or do you just keep it, if you are always going to do the buyback why is it reduced amount? Will you disclose shareholder lists? Why should we invest in you? If you havent sold anything what are you basing the returns on?
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Miss Fiona
Gallente
Nexus Trading guild
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Posted - 2007.10.12 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Letias
So if you make 100% profit or more on t2 ships do the investors get the extra as dividends or do you just keep it, if you are always going to do the buyback why is it reduced amount? Will you disclose shareholder lists? Why should we invest in you? If you havent sold anything what are you basing the returns on?
the investors will not make any more than 50% on
the 3 month and 115% on the six month.
This is of curse on top of your investment given back.
if you sell the shares back to the corp.
All profits other than this will go to the corp.
The reduced amount on buyback for shares,
is cause we want to have the investors isk for as
long as possible,and into the next project.
If share holders wish to be disclosed they can.
You should invest if you want to make isk from your isk,
while our corp do all the work for you.
we have done a huge research into Tech 2 battelships
and feel we know quite well what the profits will be.
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Letias
Caldari
Teikoku Trade Conglomerate
Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2007.10.12 00:14:00 -
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Lol the money we invest remains our money, you cant claim that you are making us 115% plus our investment back its our money to begin with. What i want to know is if you plan to do a buyback from the start why does the investors money loose value, you are saying that 100 isk is worth 90 after 6 months but you are paying 115%. Why not call it 105% and return entire investment?
What makes your plan so wonderful that we should invest with you over anyone else and why should we trust you with that investment.
So you have done research and can assure investors of 115% return over 6 months what is your corps expected return over that time frame, are you looking at 115% 215%?
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Miss Fiona
Gallente
Nexus Trading guild
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Posted - 2007.10.12 00:25:00 -
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No sorry i was not cleer, we whanted to show the payback option for people.
Its the investors money, ive never said anything else :)
no pls read, i stated 125% with the six month plan, and added that in real % Returns this would come out to 115% and all your isk back, if you send the share back after 6 months.
The corps plan is quite wonderful,
you should invest in our corp, as we will make a good profit for you, and a nice profit for our self at the same time.
Corp Tottal expected returns will not be given out.
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Letias
Caldari
Teikoku Trade Conglomerate
Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2007.10.12 00:32:00 -
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Why did I bother 
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Meleil
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Posted - 2007.10.12 00:34:00 -
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Are you paying out dividends on the shares handed out or are you merely using the shares as a placeholder so you know who has what and will give out dividends manually? Honestly your plan is majorly flawed if you're handing out dividends on shares. Otherwise I'm trying to read English that makes about as much sense as Chinese to me.
~Mel
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.10.12 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: Shadarle on 12/10/2007 00:37:48
I know English is not everyones primary language... but when it is this bad you really should have someone look over your plan and re-write it for you. This just looks unprofessional and shady.
As things stand there isn't a chance in hell I'd put a penny into this.
It looks like a scam so far to me... and if it isn't then it is just a horribly presented proposal.
And WTF is up with these oddly formatted paragraphs? Is the person copy and pasting this stuff from a translator?
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Miss Fiona
Gallente
Nexus Trading guild
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Posted - 2007.10.12 00:46:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Fiona on 12/10/2007 00:46:28
Originally by: Meleil
Are you paying out dividends on the shares handed out or are you merely using the shares as a placeholder so you know who has what and will give out dividends manually? Honestly your plan is majorly flawed if you're handing out dividends on shares. Otherwise I'm trying to read English that makes about as much sense as Chinese to me.
~Mel
No Dividense are not paid out, and im sorry for the English.
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Meleil
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Posted - 2007.10.12 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Fiona
Edited by: Miss Fiona on 12/10/2007 00:46:28
Originally by: Meleil
Are you paying out dividends on the shares handed out or are you merely using the shares as a placeholder so you know who has what and will give out dividends manually? Honestly your plan is majorly flawed if you're handing out dividends on shares. Otherwise I'm trying to read English that makes about as much sense as Chinese to me.
~Mel
No Dividense are not paid out, and im sorry for the English.
Nail in the coffin. Sorry.
~Mel
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Miss Fiona
Gallente
Nexus Trading guild
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Posted - 2007.10.12 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Fiona on 12/10/2007 00:55:12
Ok i will do my best to fix, it.
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Letias
Caldari
Teikoku Trade Conglomerate
Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2007.10.12 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: Letias on 12/10/2007 01:04:48
Originally by: Miss Fiona
The plan and idea are fine, i dont understand why my English is so bad.
Nor how this would make it a bad Investment or look shady, maybe you could talk to me
and try and help.
im trying to format the next, its the first time for me, and i find it rhater hard to work with the fourm system of fixing the text.
To start with why should we trust you with 30 billion isk.
We have to wait for 6 month for payout? This sum of money for a first venture from someone people havent heard of before waiting that period of time screams scam.
The fact that the Estimated earning has jumped to 200-250% and that you now display it as a 100% buyback..
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Miss Fiona
Gallente
Nexus Trading guild
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Posted - 2007.10.12 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Fiona on 12/10/2007 01:19:45
To start with why should we trust you with 30 billion isk.
We have to wait for 6 month for payout? This sum of money for a first venture from someone people havent heard of before waiting that period of time screams scam.
The fact that the Estimated earning has jumped to 200-250% and that you now display it as a 100% buyback..
the Estimated earning has allways been there from the start, thats for the corp.
i said the change was to buyback option, as this was something you pointed out.
that having less value for the shares on buyback, would just complicate things.
so i changed the buyback to investors with this in mind.
the projected time for this is 6 months from start to end.
we As a corp are doing this anyway.
but we want more capital so we can build a mutch bigger number of ships.
the 30b is the Estimated build cost of each ship.
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Letias
Caldari
Teikoku Trade Conglomerate
Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2007.10.12 01:24:00 -
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Edited by: Letias on 12/10/2007 01:25:40
Originally by: Miss Fiona
Edited by: Miss Fiona on 12/10/2007 01:19:45
the 30b is the Estimated build cost of each ship.
Originally by: Miss Fiona
3) Description of Offering
To establish and maintain a Tech 2 ship production facility
that will produce 60 ships per week will require
approximately 30 billion isk of capital.
This includes all invention costs, as well as raw materials
to cover the first 60 ships.We have acquired, using my
Corp assets, an initial supply
of Data cores.
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Meleil
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Posted - 2007.10.12 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Fiona
the 30b is the Estimated build cost of each ship.
What ship costs 30b to make? As far as I know no ship costs 30b to make.
~Mel
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Miss Fiona
Gallente
Nexus Trading guild
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Posted - 2007.10.12 01:28:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Fiona on 12/10/2007 01:28:12
What ship costs 30b to make? As far as I know no ship costs 30b to make.
~Mel
it should have said 30b to build 60 ships.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.12 02:17:00 -
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Ok, I'm saying this because this is my personal opinion based off my personal experience.
Do not invest.
Here is why:
1. The plan is poorly written, difficult to understand, and has been changed multiple times. I understand that english is not your first language...I really do. But here's the problem: your investors don't know what your doing. If they can't understand your terms, the conditions, and the exact specifics of what your doing...they should never, ever, ever invest. You don't even sound like you know what your talking about.
2. No prior experience. Sure, you don't sell these ships right now....but you must sell something now. You must produce something. Anything. If you don't, you have no experience, and if you have no experience with production....you don't know what the hell your doing. Your talking about material costs like you have some inside channel. Right.
3. I've been advising IPO's for quite a while, I've even written an IPO template, I give advice to people on ideas they have for IPO's that they never launch....and all my experience screams that you are not going to be successful.
So....that said...
If you can show me some proof, I can attest to your current manufacturing activities without revealing details which may compromise them. My ability to be objective and maintain client confidentiality is well known and well documented.
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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Miss Fiona
Gallente
Nexus Trading guild
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Posted - 2007.10.12 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Fiona on 12/10/2007 02:32:01
The plan is still in the making, we had our plan, but we do take the feeback serious, and are making changes, this is our first try on a investment plan.
so it cant be perfectly written and drafted.
the investors should get a very good ide of what the corp are gona be doing.
invent,build and sell tech2 battelships.
the terms and conditions should be easy to understand now, changes has been made.
will try to rewrite some of the info into a cleerer picture.
WE know very well what we are doing. but its true we havent built thees ships yet.
havent built anything large scale yet, as we are trying to do now.
Prior experience in making a ipo None, but we are good at market, and building.
yes i take your feedback very serius and im thankfull that you write such constructive info back.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.12 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Fiona
Edited by: Miss Fiona on 12/10/2007 02:32:01
The plan is still in the making, we had our plan, but we do take the feeback serious, and are making changes, this is our first try on a investment plan.
so it cant be perfectly written and drafted.
the investors should get a very good ide of what the corp are gona be doing.
invent,build and sell tech2 battelships.
the terms and conditions should be easy to understand now, changes has been made.
will try to rewrite some of the info into a cleerer picture.
WE know very well what we are doing. but its true we havent built thees ships yet.
havent built anything large scale yet, as we are trying to do now.
Prior experience in making a ipo None, but we are good at market, and building.
yes i take your feedback very serius and im thankfull that you write such constructive info back.
Building what exactly, and how much of it?
Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
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Ricdic
Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
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Posted - 2007.10.12 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Fiona
Edited by: Miss Fiona on 12/10/2007 02:32:01
The plan is still in the making, we had our plan, but we do take the feeback serious, and are making changes, this is our first try on a investment plan.
I think this in itself is the biggest problem. You can't start a public offering before finalising your business plan. This is why I advised you to post in the forums rather than asking in ships channel for investors with a 4 line bio description.
Sure, it's simple. buy bpo > invent battleship > build battleship > sell battleship.
So let's just assume for a second this isn't a scam.
Without prior performance statistics to go by how do you determine your profit margins are 100%+?
Have you factored in:
* Competition. There will be huge amounts of competition, with hundreds of like minded individuals doing the same as you once Rev3 hits. Those high profit margins will be reduced extremely quickly in my opinion, precisely like what happened to the Rorqual.
* Increased cost of datacores. Whilst you may have bought cheap, Shadarle will argue black and blue that you need to consider the market cost of them when determining profit margins (I agree with him)
* Success rates. Invention has a win/lose chance associated. How are you planning to have win supplement the los?
* Skills. Do you have sufficient skills to invent the t2 battleships? Do you have sufficient skills to produce the t2 battleships? Will you have sufficient skills to fly the t2 battleships to your sales location
* Structure. Do you plan on researching the bpo's before inventing? Do you plan on using a POS for faster copy/invent/build abilities? If so have you factored in POS fuel costs/ risk of war/ standings requirements?
* Security. Do you trust your corpmates? Will they have access to the POS? Will they have access to the BPO's? The BPC's? The finished product? Will your bpo's be locked down? Why haven't any of your corpmates posted in here? Do they know of your plans?
* Investor security. Do/How do you plan to secure your business or inject investor confidence? What makes your business better than any other prospective invention IPO? Do you consider it fair to sell your shares before completing your business plan? Why should we trust you? What notable things have you done in Eve? Have any of your corpmates been playing a while and maybe have a bit of reputation they can add to the venture?
I won't be as quick to call scam as others but I want to see far more information before considering investing. Having good english skills isn't necessarily a requirement for a business, but understanding and being able to interpret your business plan without hesitation is. It's one thing to make a couple of mistakes but another to change different areas of it as advised without considering the (probably) 100+ different factors required for a business of this size.
In the OP's credit, he/she did contact me shortly before the last d/t asking me to have a read over the business plan but we weren't able to continue communication. Unfortunately, I feel that rewriting this plan would be misleading to the community as it would give them a false sense of security in the matter.
Sorry for the scrutiny but it is something every public corporation owner has to expect and unfortunately you set yourself up for it by releasing a business plan that looks like unfinished and quickly written up.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2007.10.12 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Fiona
we havent sold anything yet, the ships havent gotten on Tq yet.
Originally by: Shar Tegral
So, I guess, the question really is: What have you & your corp been successful at so far? (Just curious.)
You have yet to answer this question. You're broken english is strangely broken. You get it right some places, then get it wrong in same places elsewhere. After years of having to work around my lack of languages you get a feel for who is having trouble with a language and who is making trouble with the language. Your broken english appears totally artificial and that inspires even less trust in me. Do not invest, imho.
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