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Gontard Minmatar E-Truth	Posted - 2007.10.12 14:25:00 - [1] Somebody wrote: There was a meeting on TS and since Praes isn't a full PvP alliance TRI decided to kick them out. I'm sure they'll get enough time to get their assets out though. Thing is, Praes has changed a lot since TRI allied them, new leadership, changes in corps etc... TRI is especially looking for 1-2 hardcore PvP alliances to ally with and ensure their place in 0.0. Just after IRON got evicted by MC and friends, TRI and IRON leadership briefly discussed allying and going rogue together, but the Drone Region route was chosen instead. Initially Praes was supposed to fill that role as hardcore PvP alliance, perhaps TRI expected that given time and dedication, Praes could be brought up to the level of TRI regarding PvP experience and skill. I hardly doubt this is TRI backstabbing Praes though, more something along the lines of TRI saying they prefer not having Praes as nextdoor neighbours and allowing them to leave in peace if they chose so. Anyways, I don't know all the details, so guess we'll have to wait for one of the involved parties to shed some light on the situation. Hard times for small alliances (some of them called pets) ahead ? Will 0.0 become (if it's not already) something totally controlled by under a dozen big alliances ?
Xtreem Gallente Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.12 14:29:00 - [2] news to me
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.10.12 14:30:00 - [3] Another resident for Venal then.... sigh Venal's getting a bit crowded lately...
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.12 14:31:00 - [4] Edited by: Wesley Baird on 12/10/2007 14:31:34 Sounds like utter rubbish...looks like the YouWhat alts are saying anything they can to save their butts from utter destruction...
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.12 14:31:00 - [5] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 12/10/2007 14:32:01 Originally by: Gontard Will 0.0 become (if it's not already) something totally controlled by under a dozen big alliances ? Welcome to over a year ago, with the whole Powerblock system of D2, BoB, ASCN, LV, and RA... 23 Member EVE Video makers: save bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder! (updated)
Dave White Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.10.12 14:33:00 - [6] Hmmmm Originally by: GM Tacgnol Oveur descended from the heavens (also known as the second floor) and beat us all with his nerfbat.
touchvill Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.12 14:38:00 - [7] Praes have come a long way whilst sided with Tri. I wish them the best of luck on whatever journey they should chose. ----------
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.12 14:43:00 - [8] For a more official note on the topic, TRI never expected praesidium to become a major PvP force. We have told them that we would like them out of Deklein and we have allowed them to choose a deadline with which they are comfortable and happy to move out. There were many reasons why we did it, and it was not a decision we made easily nor happily. I dont reply to this thread because of what the alt is stating but rather to explain why to PRAES. We wish you the best luck in the future, and as stated we will give you however much time is necessary to remove your assets. Dark
JeanPaul Sartre 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.10.12 14:44:00 - [9] Reported on SCH. Must be true. -- Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.10.12 14:46:00 - [10] Edited by: Idaeus on 12/10/2007 14:47:37 To be honest, that almost seems to fit with some stuff I heard recently. Though the conversation didn't have anything to do with PRAES space but rather certain offerings in YouWhat's Pure Blind holdings. Not saying it's accurate, of course. The fact that the OP was started by an alt practically guarantees some sort of spin or misdirection. Believe it when it happens I guess. EDIT: And I guess with Darkness posting about in regards to the PRAES issue, I believe it. IOI - Earned In Blood

Ozstar Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.12 14:53:00 - [11] Just like to wish Praesidium the best of luck wherever they go.
Gontard Minmatar E-Truth	Posted - 2007.10.12 14:54:00 - [12] Xelas anyone ? And the unasked question so far : do Tri dreams about themselves as the new BoB ?
Aypse D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.12 14:55:00 - [13] The few who I heard/spoke with on TS seemed cool. Best of luck to you out there Praes. o7 Originally by: Oveur Eve is primarily a PVP game and hence our focus is on making that experience balanced.
Erikel Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.12 14:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Wesley Baird Edited by: Wesley Baird on 12/10/2007 14:31:34 Sounds like utter rubbish...looks like the YouWhat alts are saying anything they can to save their butts from utter destruction... Fail.
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.10.12 14:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Gontard Xelas anyone ? And the unasked question so far : do Tri dreams about themselves as the new BoB ? I really wish you'd post with your main. People aren't as trigger happy these days and ready to rip your corp or alliance apart if you just post your opinion. Hiding behind the anonymity of an alt doesn't help you get your thoughts or messages across, mainly because people will dismiss you more readily. As to your question, if it was the old TRI (YNC, DOOM, EXAN) I would say no, they don't. This "new", larger TRI... I just don't know. I miss the old TRI IOI - Earned In Blood
Tundaar Minmatar Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.12 15:02:00 - [16] Originally by: Darknesss For a more official note on the topic, TRI never expected praesidium to become a major PvP force. We have told them that we would like them out of Deklein and we have allowed them to choose a deadline with which they are comfortable and happy to move out. There were many reasons why we did it, and it was not a decision we made easily nor happily. I dont reply to this thread because of what the alt is stating but rather to explain why to PRAES. We wish you the best luck in the future, and as stated we will give you however much time is necessary to remove your assets. Dark Speaking purely from a personal point of view (and being a little drunk) it's been fun being in Dek. We've won some, we've lost some, we've shot a lot of people and had everyone (except TRI) red to us . . . .This gives us an opportunity to reassess where we are going and to shoot new targets. I hear that there is lots of Pew Pew going on down south and there will soon be some property available for a careful owner But seriously, PRAES is relatively new and finding its way, done pretty good so far and I'm sure that we'll have fun wherever we might go. Thanks TRI, been fun being neighbors - look forward to flying with you again sometime
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.10.12 15:03:00 - [17] I think this whole MC sweeping north was very beneficial for the region. Now old north is coming back but with more pvp focused forces and a good learned lesson. They kicked out all their carebear members and leechers too. Kinda like "cleaned". Personally, I would be happy to see TRI with IRON,RZR etc old north pvpers becoming a nice powerblock like RSF or BOB/MC. why don't you gather already and get rid of the last BOB pet left in the north: Youwhat Not that TRI can't do it alone, just to quicken the progress.
Saint Luka The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.12 15:07:00 - [18] Edited by: Saint Luka on 12/10/2007 15:08:04 Originally by: Gontard Xelas anyone ? And the unasked question so far : do Tri dreams about themselves as the new BoB ? I couldn't think of anything worse then "becoming the new BoB". POS wars are boring. Having alot of space is boring. Politics is boring. Hatred is boring. Having roaming ops all over the map with little to responcibility, fun. -
ImUrDestiny Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.12 15:09:00 - [19] Good luck PRAES whatever u decide to do! Bad bad juju for TRI _____________________ "Only the dead have seen the end of war"
Hustle Fighter Caldari Species 5618 R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.12 15:17:00 - [20] Bummer! There are some good people in PRAES and they worked hard to build their constellation in Deklein. I wish them the very best and hope they find a good home.

Harriet Hargot Caldari Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.12 15:51:00 - [21] Wow! Aren't we all famous for having sore arses now. chuckle Serenity Prime is the last remaining member of the original Praesidium. We have had an absolute blast since our first big fight in 6-1 vs the Drone region alliance to all but owning Venal with Tri and PA and more recently having a blast fighting the FS/MC invasion forces in our home systems. I hear we may have had a small hand in a certain ***** hard cyno POS takedown in L-C. Tri's reasons for doing this are theirs. We respect that and will move on. There will of course be a few angry words from members in PRAES corps but overall I think most PRAES are amicable and understanding. I can speak for Serenity in saying we look forward to fighting with/against Tri again. We are giving ourselves a week or two to relax in our jacuzzi's and drink Pina Colada's. After that we will stock up on ammo and find something to shoot. Who we will be shooting at and with at that time remains to be seen. Whoever it is. Hi! PS. Thanks for the good wishes. <3 to tri and all the other best wishers. Harriet and Mr Spleen
Neon Razor Caldari Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.12 15:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Darknesss For a more official note on the topic, TRI never expected praesidium to become a major PvP force. We have told them that we would like them out of Deklein and we have allowed them to choose a deadline with which they are comfortable and happy to move out. There were many reasons why we did it, and it was not a decision we made easily nor happily. I dont reply to this thread because of what the alt is stating but rather to explain why to PRAES. We wish you the best luck in the future, and as stated we will give you however much time is necessary to remove your assets. Dark You have shown with this one post that you have honor. Many a lesser man would have just said ah you are neutral tomorrow DT get you asses out before we pew pew you out.
Avitar R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.12 16:12:00 - [23] PRAES, my children, How did you manage to screw this up, I'm going to find out and bang some heads [/url]
s3v3n7 Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.12 16:18:00 - [24] Praes, much respect. Wish you many explosions and GFs in your future.
implanted Caldari THEM. Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.12 16:26:00 - [25] Avitar it is not a screw up...Prae have been trying to get more pvpers into there alliance and have survived and pulled there weight on many occasion. We have just joined Prae yesterday b4 this news broke and we are still very optimistic about the future.You have to give respect to Tri they are an excellent and well organised alliance so if this is there wish then i am sure it was not discussed lightly. This will make Prae stronger and bring there people together over the coming week in discusion for future endeavours. We will be fine and continue to do well in eve....life changes so rapidly in my eve experiance and you have to adapt,and adapt we will. imp.
Chomapuraku Templar Republic R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.12 16:40:00 - [26] good luck finding a new home, praes, wherever it might be! now that i think about it, some space just opened up in the eastern drone regions.... might be worth considering
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.12 16:56:00 - [27] Best of luck Praes u have a bunch of very fine ppl in your ranks. The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
Super Twinkey69 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.12 17:05:00 - [28] much lub to PRAES and its members,been lots of fun and cant say anything bad about our times together(the sex was great tbh) i iz wish you the best pewpew and gl hurray!!111!1!
Mrrzah Amarr Ordo Drakonis	Posted - 2007.10.12 17:23:00 - [29] Edited by: Mrrzah on 12/10/2007 17:23:16 What the... an alt posts a flamebait thread and you guys are having a civilized exchange in it?! That's not how it works!
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.12 17:29:00 - [30] Originally by: Mrrzah Edited by: Mrrzah on 12/10/2007 17:23:16 What the... an alt posts a flamebait thread and you guys are having a civilized exchange in it?! That's not how it works! I agree; u seem like a emo ***** Mrrzah The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!

Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.10.12 17:40:00 - [31] torshin
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.12 17:58:00 - [32] Originally by: Erikel Fail. Total and complete failure!! Apologies to the YouWhat alts I may have insulted!
INZi coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.12 18:18:00 - [33] gl praes! enjoy your time in eve to the fullest _
Oofig VanDoogan The Knighthawks FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.12 18:24:00 - [34] Originally by: Mr Broker torshin Here be carebears!
Astarte Nosferatu We Know Derek Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.10.12 18:34:00 - [35] Originally by: Wesley Baird Originally by: Erikel Fail. Total and complete failure!! Apologies to the YouWhat alts I may have insulted! Just to eliminate any confusement, I'm not the OP, instead the OP copy/pasted my post on SHC regarding the Praes eviction and made a thread about it here. signature removed - please email us to find out why - Jacques([email protected]) snip Do not discuss moderation in your sig - hutch
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.12 19:09:00 - [36] Originally by: Oofig VanDoogan Originally by: Mr Broker torshin honestly what the **** how am i this famous. I have only been in praes for a few months ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Mundem Pashdale Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.12 19:14:00 - [37] For those of you who don't know me, and you're many, I am the leader of the PRAES alliance. First, I appologise for any smack from members of my alliance. They have been asked not to but due to the blow they have just recieved from our only and long term friend in Eve, they are all pretty shell shocked. Tri made a decission that they felt was best for their alliance and their region, and we will respect that; we never paid rent for Deklein but we owed out space to Tri. Things have not gone well recently for us, but we've had worse happen befor and we've kept going. Triumvirate are amoungst the best and most onerable pilots I have ever flow with; their decission has been forced by the dangerous situation they face in the North and the failures of ourselves as an allie; it has always been understood that should we become a burden we should be asked to leave. PRAES will continue in some form or other. If past performance is anything to go by we'll be PvPing a lot more soon. PRAES pilots, don't worry. We're pulling out and we're doing it in a controled way. To the Eve community at large, and those in the Drone Regions that we have an eternal vendeta against... we'll be back. Always -Mundem out-
xBlood Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.12 19:15:00 - [38] Best of luck Praes, you're a good bunch of guys and gals. Always had a laugh with you when you were on teamspeak and ops and hope you manage to find somewhere else where you can settle down and do what you enjoy, whatever it may be.
Brunswick2 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.12 19:20:00 - [39] mucho love for praes
V0rador Amarr Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.12 19:27:00 - [40] Good luck Prae i'll never forget everytime you helped , am sure sooner or later we'll fly together again o7.

Altair Mogwa Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.10.12 19:36:00 - [41] Appears that constellation is the perverbal 'village bicycle'. GL o/ in where ever you go, thanks for buying some of my left over junk :P. It looks like you enjoyed your time there and will take away a ton from the experience, and I think that's the most important part. o/
WraithFire Cassandra's Light Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.12 20:08:00 - [42] Best of luck to Praes. --------------------- Carebears? Where?
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.12 20:23:00 - [43] Good luck guys, I enjoyed flying with you and I appreciate your help in Venal/Deklein/Fade. I am sure you will do well with your future plans. o7
Almarez Setenta Corp	Posted - 2007.10.12 20:35:00 - [44] GL guys. You were pretty respectful when Storm had to leave Deklein. Trust me though, if you want to pvp, live out of NPC stations and eliminate all the logistics of pos warfare. I wish you all the best. What playing Amarr feels like.
Halkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.12 20:42:00 - [45] gl praes, i'm sure you wont need it. the reasons for this i'm not sure but you proved to be a valuable ally imo Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.12 21:34:00 - [46] PRAES intentions were never doubted, theyre good people. One thing i do believe though, is that living under our duristiction was not going to help your alliance. Thats not me saying we did it for your benefit, but i honestly believe that living seperate from us will allow your alliance to go strong and hopefully stabilize, and i really hope that you do. In the future im sure we would work with you again if you ever needed it. If anyone decides to blob you guys wherever you go next give us a bell Again, good luck.
fugazii Union Of Xtreme Military M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.12 22:47:00 - [47] Tri: "praes bend over plz" praes: "want me to touch my toes or hands on my knees?"
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.10.12 23:12:00 - [48] Whatever alliance Torshin joins, it is guranteed to fail.
Mundem Pashdale Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.12 23:29:00 - [49] Originally by: fugazii Tri: "praes bend over plz" praes: "want me to touch my toes or hands on my knees?" Sorry, we wanted to save our ammo for you guys and not waste it on the friends we have! I guess your post means you don't want lube next time right? Goodness, there's a lot of love here. This must be the most amicable eviction ever
Ichabod Dirange Backwater Security Systems	Posted - 2007.10.12 23:54:00 - [50] Originally by: Mundem Pashdale Originally by: fugazii Tri: "praes bend over plz" praes: "want me to touch my toes or hands on my knees?" Sorry, we wanted to save our ammo for you guys and not waste it on the friends we have! I guess your post means you don't want lube next time right? Goodness, there's a lot of love here. This must be the most amicable eviction ever Everyone is cheering until they see the livestock traincarts. As I was saying to my drinkingbuddy when discussing Triumvirate, friend or foe you want to stay the f*** away from that bi-polar community!

XxAngelxX Amarr The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.13 00:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Darknesss PRAES intentions were never doubted, theyre good people. One thing i do believe though, is that living under our duristiction was not going to help your alliance. Thats not me saying we did it for your benefit, but i honestly believe that living seperate from us will allow your alliance to go strong and hopefully stabilize, and i really hope that you do. In the future im sure we would work with you again if you ever needed it. If anyone decides to blob you guys wherever you go next give us a bell Again, good luck. *jurisdiction lub you dark. Also, Praes I wish you the best of luck. Sometimes we have to do thing for the best of TRI and I know you guys will do well in the future. Great guys who were always there to help out. --------------------------------------
Stormrane Twostone Templars of Space Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.13 00:27:00 - [52] Originally by: fugazii Tri: "praes bend over plz" praes: "want me to touch my toes or hands on my knees?" hehe so tru. only reason pres r being nice is there still in tri space :d tru colors will come out once there out. no one likes been told gtfo of our space. wd tri on another nobel move. im sry but i just think this is rude. eh flame away
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.13 00:57:00 - [53] Originally by: Stormrane Twostone Originally by: fugazii Tri: "praes bend over plz" praes: "want me to touch my toes or hands on my knees?" hehe so tru. only reason pres r being nice is there still in tri space :d tru colors will come out once there out. no one likes been told gtfo of our space. wd tri on another nobel move. im sry but i just think this is rude. eh flame away Praes leaders know whats going on, TRI leaders know whats going on and neither side was schocked when it came to this....for the rest u can all speculate. Combination of what Praes and TRI alliance leaders said is indeed what happened. p.s. wth how can u follow a leader that cant even spell the word jurisdiction? attleast i have 2 excuses being dutch and a idiot and all. shame on u darkie The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
Kahvine Caldari Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.13 01:08:00 - [54] TRI was both the genesis and saviour of PRAES. A group of OXIDE corp leaders negotiated setting them blue when we were in the drone space, those corps got kicked by OXIDE, and OXIDE came to kill us and our POSes. Over the horizon rode Darkness and Angel and a large BS fleet, and the OXIDE/DMC fleet went down in minutes. We retreated in order, and have been TRI allies every since. Darkness is all class (if unpredictable), and Angel remains one of the best FCs I have ever flown with (L-C was a blast). Praes certainly has come a long way under the wing of TRI, and I personally will miss flying with them...but hope that we get a chance to kill together again. I think we will be somewhere in the neighborhood, and I at least personally hope we stay allied. To whomever takes over O-2...enjoy the fish we left in the airconditioning ducts in the station...and the p0rn stash in the hanger.
fugazii Union Of Xtreme Military M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.13 01:16:00 - [55] Originally by: Mundem Pashdale Originally by: fugazii Tri: "praes bend over plz" praes: "want me to touch my toes or hands on my knees?" Sorry, we wanted to save our ammo for you guys and not waste it on the friends we have! I guess your post means you don't want lube next time right? Goodness, there's a lot of love here. This must be the most amicable eviction ever im guessing you mean friends like an abused wife means good marriage right?
touchvill Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.13 01:27:00 - [56] Originally by: Stormrane Twostone Originally by: fugazii Tri: "praes bend over plz" praes: "want me to touch my toes or hands on my knees?" hehe so tru. only reason pres r being nice is there still in tri space :d tru colors will come out once there out. no one likes been told gtfo of our space. wd tri on another nobel move. im sry but i just think this is rude. eh flame away Didn't you get the memo? FLA left Deklein. ----------
Vrizuh Eve Defence Force Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.13 01:49:00 - [57] Originally by: fugazii Originally by: Mundem Pashdale Originally by: fugazii Tri: "praes bend over plz" praes: "want me to touch my toes or hands on my knees?" Sorry, we wanted to save our ammo for you guys and not waste it on the friends we have! I guess your post means you don't want lube next time right? Goodness, there's a lot of love here. This must be the most amicable eviction ever im guessing you mean friends like an abused wife means good marriage right?
Stormrane Twostone Templars of Space Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.13 01:53:00 - [58] Originally by: Sacul Originally by: Stormrane Twostone Originally by: fugazii Tri: what u said dont get me wrong mate i lov tri. flown with use a bit down south. 100% respect i just find this post funny I would rather fight bob than old freinds, personal feelings aside. aka tartrus-sold char now in a new char i cant say his name its got numbers and stuff in it :( still in TOS
Torshin Prophets Of a Damned Universe Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.13 01:54:00 - [59] Originally by: Mr Broker Whatever alliance Torshin joins, it is guranteed to fail. honestly why am i this famous ------------------------------------------- Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign. I'm Shinra and I'm the champion of Eve.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.13 01:56:00 - [60] Edited by: Splagada on 13/10/2007 01:56:39 ok! dont post after you come back from party! ------ Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence

Mannish Jaw	Posted - 2007.10.13 02:10:00 - [61] Originally by: Harriet Hargot Wow! Aren't we all famous for having sore arses now. chuckle Serenity Prime is the last remaining member of the original Praesidium. We have had an absolute blast since our first big fight in 6-1 vs the Drone region alliance to all but owning Venal with Tri and PA and more recently having a blast fighting the FS/MC invasion forces in our home systems. I hear we may have had a small hand in a certain ***** hard cyno POS takedown in L-C. Tri's reasons for doing this are theirs. We respect that and will move on. There will of course be a few angry words from members in PRAES corps but overall I think most PRAES are amicable and understanding. I can speak for Serenity in saying we look forward to fighting with/against Tri again. We are giving ourselves a week or two to relax in our jacuzzi's and drink Pina Colada's. After that we will stock up on ammo and find something to shoot. Who we will be shooting at and with at that time remains to be seen. Whoever it is. Hi! PS. Thanks for the good wishes. <3 to tri and all the other best wishers. Harriet and Mr Spleen It almost seems that they are treating you like pets, spleen. Also why do you still have taikun, he is the worst person in Serenity Prime.
hammyhamm GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.13 02:11:00 - [62] above was by me sorry ;)
Baddias Mongo Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.13 02:13:00 - [63] not had much contact with Praes apart from 1 good fight in Dek a while ago I remember involving a few of their carriers and a dread against a razor roaming gang I was in. gl all the same in whatever you do now praes
Harriet Hargot Caldari Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.13 02:51:00 - [64] Originally by: Mannish Jaw Also why do you still have taikun, he is the worst person in Serenity Prime. No you can't have Taikun! He's ours! I've only just got him trained up to being belligerent on forums V. He's going to get a bonus for your post. LOL!
MR Spleen Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.13 03:45:00 - [65] Praesidium is a special place and is all about being a military force, so having our own constelation didn't work to well as we where tied to running pos's and attempting to build up industry at the same time as travelling huge distances to find targets, so when I was asked to join darkness and some of his fellow ceo's to inform us of a descision I was not surprised and obviously saddened that we hadn't succeeded in our's and tri's goals for the constelation. I know for a fact that Tri's descision was not an easy one as darkness and other ceo's in tri are freinds of mine and they did not like telling me this. We will always be freinds with tri for the help they have given us in the past, the good times we have had together and I am certain will have in the future and like tri if tri need our help they have it, good freinds are hard to find and thankyou tri and all tri pilots for the good wishes in local and on here. As for our enemies well lets just say we are coming harder and faster than ever our teeth have grown sharp and we are back where we belong on the hunting grounds rather than in the paddock. We may yet claim space again and it may be yours but for now we are fittening up and readying for the kill.
Thad Raven coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.13 06:42:00 - [66] Good luck Praes always good to see you about, sure where ever you go next you'll do well.
DanMck Amarr Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.13 07:57:00 - [67] good luck preas from everyone in Rionnag Alba fly safe o/
Kuolun Gallente UISGE Inc. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.13 09:08:00 - [68] Edited by: Kuolun on 13/10/2007 09:09:02 Im almost sure tri would have appreciated some more targets. instead your leaving your home just beacause someone asked you. but even as a youwhat member i coudnt care less. whatever... dont you have courage? have you thought about what impression you are making to the rest of the univerese? you wont gain any respect by leaving this way. im sad that tri treats an old friend like this. you could at least bought deklein from praes, like the states bought alaska. well tri can fight, but diplomacy is not there thing. you both dont look to well in this affair. just my impression anyways, good luck praes. and tri, im just a small worm and dont know anything about eve politics but i think you should treat your friends better or you might run out of them.
Ex0dus coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:04:00 - [69] GL Praes in whatever you guys do next.
amazingalt	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:11:00 - [70] Originally by: Kuolun dont you have courage? have you thought about what impression you are making to the rest of the univerese?

Ozstar Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:12:00 - [71] Originally by: Kuolun dont you have courage? have you thought about what impression you are making to the rest of the univerese? you wont gain any respect by leaving this way. That sounds funny coming from a YouWhat guy.
Plague Rexus Gallente D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:28:00 - [72] Originally by: Kuolun Edited by: Kuolun on 13/10/2007 09:09:02 Im almost sure tri would have appreciated some more targets. instead your leaving your home just beacause someone asked you. but even as a youwhat member i coudnt care less. whatever... dont you have courage? have you thought about what impression you are making to the rest of the univerese? you wont gain any respect by leaving this way. im sad that tri treats an old friend like this. you could at least bought deklein from praes, like the states bought alaska. well tri can fight, but diplomacy is not there thing. you both dont look to well in this affair. just my impression anyways, good luck praes. and tri, im just a small worm and dont know anything about eve politics but i think you should treat your friends better or you might run out of them. Yes we would appreciate more targets, there are'nt very many left yet. Praes have been a long way with us, but remember they are leaving a home they were given. I don't doubt their courage but here it is, if your alliance one of the biggest in the game cant defend against us and is crumbling in a week how would an alliance one fifth your size and next door to us do? This isnt about friendship, one thing everyone is having to learn is 0.0 is survival of the fittest your alliances like the alliances we have attacked before are learning this. If we have friends (and we have and want very few) then they must be close to us in ability and strength if not in numbers. Remember every time Tri goes blue to another corp a kitten dies.
Kuolun Gallente UISGE Inc. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:02:00 - [73] Edited by: Kuolun on 13/10/2007 11:07:53 then you just acted like the way you were supposed to act. the eve-klingon style. wheter i like it or not, if you like your role, stick to it. you cant blame a dog for beeing a dog. i still think praes shouldnt act like this. its not about winning, but about the way your leaving. wheter it is noble in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take arms against the sea of troubles an by opposing end them...
Keidre Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:10:00 - [74] gl praes!!!! <3
Zap Zaberdine D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:52:00 - [75] Edited by: Zap Zaberdine on 13/10/2007 11:52:09 GL Praes! Zap
Jain Za Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.13 12:05:00 - [76] Originally by: Kuolun Edited by: Kuolun on 13/10/2007 11:07:53 then you just acted like the way you were supposed to act. the eve-klingon style. wheter i like it or not, if you like your role, stick to it. you cant blame a dog for beeing a dog. i still think praes shouldnt act like this. its not about winning, but about the way your leaving. wheter it is noble in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take arms against the sea of troubles an by opposing end them... tbh we should have just asked Praes to kick YW out
the Entity Extreme Addiction Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:01:00 - [77] tbh we should have just asked Praes to kick YW out i lol'd - thanks for the good times TRI, be seeing u round as for youwhat-gl to u too-u need it WAY more than us :P Originally by: Wild Rho Do you use Eve as a dating agency and got unlucky in that your perfect women turned out to be a hairy trucker called Butch Chestington?
Chantary Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:02:00 - [78] I'll miss the gangs with you Praes guys, forming up ad-hoc at flying by a camp and just join you, have a chat etc was fun! ----------------------------------------------- When the opposing team has the ball on your five yard line, arguing about what kind of beer is being drunk in the parking lot is stupid
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:11:00 - [79] Originally by: Kuolun Edited by: Kuolun on 13/10/2007 11:07:53 then you just acted like the way you were supposed to act. the eve-klingon style. wheter i like it or not, if you like your role, stick to it. you cant blame a dog for beeing a dog. i still think praes shouldnt act like this. its not about winning, but about the way your leaving. wheter it is noble in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take arms against the sea of troubles an by opposing end them... You think Praes should commit suicide...? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Kuolun Gallente UISGE Inc. YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:25:00 - [80] Originally by: Malcanis You think Praes should commit suicide...? actually i think praes AND tri should commit suicide^^ all i was trying to say is that the way are leaving simply doesnt feel right. at least on the first view. maybe you get an other conclution knowing all facts.

soulkiller3 Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:42:00 - [81] Goodluck Praes, it was fun flying with you guys
Lucky 8 Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:42:00 - [82] TRI treat they're own special Xelas with a bit more dignity when they kick them out of their space and you see what happens? No animosity to bite you on the ass. It's all fairly chummy and not a single bitter post! Good luck Xelas in future endevours. Edit: Praes I mean. -- Originally by: Nicho Void This thread is like a chum slick for forum alt trolls.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.13 14:02:00 - [83] Originally by: Kuolun Originally by: Malcanis You think Praes should commit suicide...? actually i think praes AND tri should commit suicide^^ all i was trying to say is that the way are leaving simply doesnt feel right. at least on the first view. maybe you get an other conclution knowing all facts. Eh, I don't know all the facts. I just know the quotation you were using. Some facts that I do know are that Tri are a very very good PvP alliance, and that they're playing the alliance game rather differently to most others. To the great woe and detriment of those who thought that they were just another 0.0 alliance who would do things as others do them. In fact it amuses me that they have publicly stated their policy: "to surround ourselves with reds", and yet some of their neighbours somehow thought that this wouldn't apply to them... PS: I also remember that when they used to run through FLA Deklein 2-3 times a night, there were no damb ISK-farmers there. Thx for that, Tri: you guys taught me to watch local when I was new to 0.0. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.10.13 15:38:00 - [84] Originally by: Kuolun Edited by: Kuolun on 13/10/2007 09:09:02 Im almost sure tri would have appreciated some more targets. instead your leaving your home just beacause someone asked you. but even as a youwhat member i coudnt care less. whatever... dont you have courage? have you thought about what impression you are making to the rest of the univerese? you wont gain any respect by leaving this way. im sad that tri treats an old friend like this. you could at least bought deklein from praes, like the states bought alaska. well tri can fight, but diplomacy is not there thing. you both dont look to well in this affair. just my impression anyways, good luck praes. and tri, im just a small worm and dont know anything about eve politics but i think you should treat your friends better or you might run out of them. Translation: Please please PRAES resist TRI so YW can survive another week.
s3v3n7 Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.13 18:41:00 - [85] Originally by: Kuolun Originally by: Malcanis You think Praes should commit suicide...? actually i think praes AND tri should commit suicide^^ all i was trying to say is that the way are leaving simply doesnt feel right. at least on the first view. maybe you get an other conclution knowing all facts. Does it feel right the way you are leaving Fade?
Mortuus Minmatar Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.13 18:54:00 - [86] I for one will always consider Praes friends, they are a good group and were always willing to lend a hand. Wherever you guys go, best of luck. Just remember, hit fast, hit hard, and move on before they can mount a defense. I think Praes has been given a very fair way out. Its no different than say, renting a room at a friends house and them saying "you know, this isn't working, I need you to move out. Take however long you need to get it all in order". Actually, when it comes to this sort of thing, thats how friends should act. Everything is nice and clean, no hostility, just a relationship that isn't working in its current form. So best of luck Praes, if you want to kill YW I've seen more of them in Empire than in their space lately, maybe you could wardec =) ex-Occassus Republica <3
implanted Caldari THEM. Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.14 01:41:00 - [87] Mmmmm.....Wardec...
Taikun Gallente Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.15 07:46:00 - [88] Edited by: Taikun on 15/10/2007 07:47:46 Originally by: Hammy Also why do you still have taikun, he is the worst person in Serenity Prime. I try to keep myself out of the politics of my alliance... but since I got a special mention in this thread I feel so important! Hammy you... you... you GOON! Tri, enjoy your upcoming adventure of POS deployments, refueling and other mind numbing boring sov activities. I for one hated it and am going to have a blast going back to roaming gangs for awhile. Still... I'll will miss tagging along on your POS/Station takedowns. You goobs know how to show folks a good time when you on the war path. Taikun P.S. Much love to Ammargal, Sidewayzracer and Tisni on that Freighter kill of ours. I still smile knowing how that dude must have bashing his keyboard and spluttering german at his screen! ----------------------------------- For lack of a better word ladies and gentlemen... Greed is good.
Mundem Pashdale Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.15 11:20:00 - [89] Edited by: Mundem Pashdale on 15/10/2007 11:21:51 That's news to me and I'm the alliance leader. Post with your main or don't bother posting at all.
mistykal	Posted - 2007.10.15 11:20:00 - [90] Originally by: Simon Trader Pod(John) McCreedy is now KOS for all Praes members for ruining the sweet sweet deal we had going in deklein /signed in pods blood

Hilder Amarr Caldari Navy Raiders Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:12:00 - [91] Originally by: Mundem Pashdale Edited by: Mundem Pashdale on 15/10/2007 11:21:51 That's news to me and I'm the alliance leader. Post with your main or don't bother posting at all. I couldn't agree with Mundem more on this, what tri choose to do with their space is their own affair. Those who don't choose to leave the alliance now for the next free lunch will be stronger for the experience and PL will be stronger. When the day comes that we take our own space on our own initiative we will look back on this time and be glad that we are no longer living in the shadow of big brother.
Cephias Caine Steel Battalion YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:46:00 - [92] NO smack from a -Y- member: everyone please take note!! ^^ Seriously, PL have been good fighters and have been present at many if not all of the major battles for -Y- space, I personally salute them as worthy foes, and apologise for the lack of fights that did not involve a POS of some description! Frankly I agree that this whole arrangement is perfectly amicable, and no different from a landlord deciding he wishes to renovate and redevelope his property and deciding not to extend the Lease to the current tennant. TRI have been very generous and honorable in giving PL as much time as they may need to move out. Frankly I couldn't see TRI behaving any other way, they are not bad people, and proved to be very tenatious, inventive and determined foe's. My corp bear PL no ill will, it's a game after all and we all play to win! PL, it used to be said that you may judge a man by the character of his enemies, but you will know him better from the quality of his friends. Today I count PL as my enemy of circumstance but I hope that we might also view you in the future as our friends. Best of luck to you all, and I certainly wish you all the best of luck in your future endevors. PS: if one of you could get my stuff out of L-C, I'd be very gratefull! ^^ Port Royal indeed! Captain/Director Caine [/url]
Drunken Cajun F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:12:00 - [93] Wow. That's a very classy post Cephias. I never expected to see anything like that on EVE-O. laissez les bon temps rouler
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:20:00 - [94] Very nice post Cephias Caine.
Edo Kael Caldari THEM. Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.15 18:31:00 - [95] Quote: PL, it used to be said that you may judge a man by the character of his enemies, but you will know him better from the quality of his friends. Today I count PL as my enemy of circumstance but I hope that we might also view you in the future as our friends. Best of luck to you all, and I certainly wish you all the best of luck in your future endevors. Words of respect are always answered in the same way. /me salutes "Life is lesson, you learn it when youre through!"
psylenz Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.15 18:40:00 - [96] Originally by: Cephias Caine NO smack from a -Y- member: everyone please take note!! ^^ Seriously, PL have been good fighters and have been present at many if not all of the major battles for -Y- space, I personally salute them as worthy foes, and apologise for the lack of fights that did not involve a POS of some description! Frankly I agree that this whole arrangement is perfectly amicable, and no different from a landlord deciding he wishes to renovate and redevelope his property and deciding not to extend the Lease to the current tennant. TRI have been very generous and honorable in giving PL as much time as they may need to move out. Frankly I couldn't see TRI behaving any other way, they are not bad people, and proved to be very tenatious, inventive and determined foe's. My corp bear PL no ill will, it's a game after all and we all play to win! PL, it used to be said that you may judge a man by the character of his enemies, but you will know him better from the quality of his friends. Today I count PL as my enemy of circumstance but I hope that we might also view you in the future as our friends. Best of luck to you all, and I certainly wish you all the best of luck in your future endevors. PS: if one of you could get my stuff out of L-C, I'd be very gratefull! ^^ Port Royal indeed! I'm sure this is a Twilight Zone episode. Very nice post. PL have been good gangmates and they will be missed in gang. I wish them the best and hope that this isn't the last of our working relationship. As far as your stuff goes Cephias... maybe we could work out a deal
articz	Posted - 2007.10.15 19:27:00 - [97] I feel Praes and Tri had a good time as friends, and will stay good friends in the future . I understand and accept tri's dessition. And yes as many of you put out, I see this as a good oppertunity for Praes to grow stronger and independed. And as for Tri keep up the good work you're a great bunch, love flying whit ya guys. U used to be a good neutral enemy in the past for myself and my a old corp, but I see you as greater friend now. l-c was good fun, btw Angel some nice work there fc'ing, well impressed.
Harriet Hargot Caldari Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.15 21:13:00 - [98] Cephias Caine, You have just been added to my list of people to recruit into my ideal corp one day. Great post and thanks for your kind words. Harriet
Votac Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.15 23:50:00 - [99] I've flown with and against PL and they are both great allies and friends, I find it unlikely that this thread is true but if so I expect TRI and PL would depart as friends. I remember getting a -Y- gang across pure blind to take down some dreads, and bumping into a PL gang on the way and together owning the hostiles, some good times :) Wish I could be flying against you and TRI at the moment but stupid internet :( Well just thought i'd give my 2 cents and wave to all the people I haven't seen for ages V
XxAngelxX Amarr The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.16 00:00:00 - [100] PL have indeed been worthy allies. And if other things weren't taken into effect, I'd love to have you guys flying with us, the ones that did. We don't hate you, think bad of you, infact once the decision was made (for Tri's own agenda) the rest of the alliance was very shocked and inquisitive as to why the decision. Though we don't like blues, you were one of the blues we really enjoyed having :) Cephias, fleet-commanding in Fade and CR, you are one of about 3 pilots who have stood out to me. A post like that, I think YW are lucky to have you as a pilot. That being said ;) If you're ever looking for a new home, you know where to come ;) Also, convo me ingame and we'll see if we can sort out some Stuff --------------------------------------

Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.10.16 00:02:00 - [101] Originally by: Hilder When the day comes that we take our own space on our own initiative we will look back on this time and be glad that we are no longer living in the shadow of big brother. As part of a corporation and alliance that is determined to do everything on their own (from building the corp, to making the alliance to building up the cap fleet) from scratch, I can't help but respect this statement. Best of luck to you guys. IOI - Earned In Blood
Votac Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.16 00:06:00 - [102] Ah misunderstood, thats what not being able to log on does :( well have fun PL i'm sure you guys will only get stronger.
Lord DeFault Minmatar Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.18 23:44:00 - [103] Meh, Been Said: But as a stone age SEPR member, I have enjoyed fighting with and along side Tri. I wish you much Pew pew and may your wallets be bottomless... so you don't have to carebear... I know you have industry skills really, IÆve seen what you do to veldspar when the lights go out /LD The PrePatch Day song
Darklin Eldaris Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.10.19 08:14:00 - [104] /engage fireworks
Kitana Organa Minmatar Steel Battalion YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.19 10:17:00 - [105] Originally by: Cephias Caine My corp bear PL no ill will, it's a game after all and we all play to win! Speak for yourself, CC! Nah, just kidding you, like PL as opponents, no smacktalk, just good fighting and a GF and chat afterwards. something I don't see much anymore... Such opponents make war fun. Hope that I can rejoin the war asap when my system is completely installed and configurated again. Hope PL doesn't leave the area? (although for a while wouldn't hurt as enemies. -still have to get some stuf fout of a station-)
Naridos An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.10.19 11:15:00 - [106] Originally by: Kitana Organa Originally by: Cephias Caine My corp bear PL no ill will, it's a game after all and we all play to win! Speak for yourself, CC! Nah, just kidding you, like PL as opponents, no smacktalk, just good fighting and a GF and chat afterwards. something I don't see much anymore... Such opponents make war fun. Hope that I can rejoin the war asap when my system is completely installed and configurated again. Hope PL doesn't leave the area? (although for a while wouldn't hurt as enemies. -still have to get some stuf fout of a station-) Nothing better than some pillow talk and a cigarette after a GF --------------- Just remember.... I eated yo cookies!!
Dealor Caldari THEM. Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.23 08:34:00 - [107] Much joy Thanks Triumvirate for all your reply's There will be cake
CommanderInChief The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2007.10.23 08:55:00 - [108] Edited by: CommanderInChief on 23/10/2007 08:59:09 Originally by: XxAngelxX PL have indeed been worthy allies. And if other things weren't taken into effect, I'd love to have you guys flying with us, the ones that did. We don't hate you, think bad of you, infact once the decision was made (for Tri's own agenda) the rest of the alliance was very shocked and inquisitive as to why the decision. Though we don't like blues, you were one of the blues we really enjoyed having :) I cant believe what Im hearing here.. You basically still f**ked them over, as many alliances do once they get bigger. They allied and helped you with -Y- etc. This "we are still mates", "hope you understand", "kiss kiss" is a load of BS to me. I mean you aint even letting them stay in that area WTF!. Its disgusting what you have done to them - simple as.. Had much respect for Tri, sadly not anymore.
Dealor Caldari THEM. Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.23 09:11:00 - [109] Edited by: Dealor on 23/10/2007 09:11:07 Originally by: CommanderInChief Edited by: CommanderInChief on 23/10/2007 08:59:09 Originally by: XxAngelxX PL have indeed been worthy allies. And if other things weren't taken into effect, I'd love to have you guys flying with us, the ones that did. We don't hate you, think bad of you, infact once the decision was made (for Tri's own agenda) the rest of the alliance was very shocked and inquisitive as to why the decision. Though we don't like blues, you were one of the blues we really enjoyed having :) I cant believe what Im hearing here.. You basically still f**ked them over, as many alliances do once they get bigger. They allied and helped you with -Y- etc. This "we are still mates", "hope you understand", "kiss kiss" is a load of BS to me. I mean you aint even letting them stay in that area WTF!. Its disgusting what you have done to them - simple as.. Had much respect for Tri, sadly not anymore. Beceause we understand
Benvolio GrrrKrishnakk GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.23 11:30:00 - [110] Originally by: Gontard Will 0.0 become (if it's not already) something totally controlled by under a dozen big alliances ? This is how it's pretty much always been, maybe not so much in NPC 0.0 but certainly in conq space. ____

Ozstar Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:02:00 - [111] Edited by: Ozstar on 23/10/2007 12:03:54 Originally by: CommanderInChief You basically still f**ked them over, as many alliances do once they get bigger. This situation has been handled admirably from both sides, Darknesss explained the reasoning behind the decision on teamspeak, a Praesidium representative agreed with the majority of our concerns and and an agreement was made to withdraw from Deklein in an undisclosed period of time. We will keep a close eye on Praesidium and if they are ever in trouble, you can expect to see Triumvirate riding over the hill (again) :)
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:26:00 - [112] How is this amicable eviction coming along? Haven't heard anything lately and these guys still show as sovereign some places. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Lord DeFault Minmatar Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.10.23 17:08:00 - [113] Big problem is thereÆs no where for small corps/alliances to go with out having to side or kiss some ones rear. You can have 40man strong pvp force and still die pretty fast. You can attack a weak alliance. But there friends soon step in. Warp to 0 has made 0.0 a smaller place. New EVE tools don't even allow you sneak up a POS and get a weeks grace. Where ever you go thereÆs a pew pew hungry large old alliance waiting for you. More uses in eve doesnæt help ether. . Like vultures PL is being probed for it's pvp'ers. Not many places for us to live, but they soon want the gold. Being a ôpetö is your only real chance to get started. PL was formed of random corps had a lot of *&^% in it. But the starts of an alliance formed. So many people just wanna carebear, people split down the middle get put into this group. just arenÆt welcomed in the powerful alliances or even near at times. Doesn't matter, PL with Tri next door gave the key corps of it a chance to put a dent on the EVE map. A chance wi would never of had alone. The PrePatch Day song
Kali Ananda Minmatar Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:19:00 - [114] Edited by: Kali Ananda on 23/10/2007 21:20:53 Well said Lord Default. Kali Ananda POD-U


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