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SiJira	Posted - 2007.10.13 01:29:00 - [1] Quote: the spearheading Marauders and the warp-jamming Heavy Interdictors, i like Quote: not to mention the lockdown terrors that are the Electronic Attack Ships, i really like - but would prefer if they also worked on the current ships that are supposed to be good at electronic warfare but are not so great Quote: and the masters of the supply chain, the Jump Freighters. this is a joke and it is not funny basically a bunch of whiners got together and said mineral compression sucks CCP decided it would be wrong to capitulate to a bunch of whiners then someone at CCP said lets make freighters jump capable instead of tweaking carrier jump hauling which as far as i can tell is simply going ahead with the mineral compresion nerf but giving something that makes the change irrelevant - heres the catch only the rich people will feel as if nothing changed forget mining in 0.0 forget everything lets just make the mineral supply of 0.0 easier to do than it ever was by just buying from empire so everyone can go kill stuff lets not fix the way gate camping works now - instead lets make more very expensive ships that can bypass it discuss ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Eval B'Stard Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.10.13 01:32:00 - [2] Sorry don't see your point ? This seems like a logical next step to me, easier to live in 0.0 means more people in 0.0 means more targets for me and my corp. I see no downside. ------------------------------------------- When we gonna see the 40km and 80km tractor beams ?
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.13 01:37:00 - [3] They will only be jumpable in lowsec/0.0, gank the war targets in high sec and lowsec even without wardec? --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.10.13 01:38:00 - [4] Originally by: Eval B'Stard Sorry don't see your point ? This seems like a logical next step to me, easier to live in 0.0 means more people in 0.0 means more targets for me and my corp. I see no downside. its not easier to live in 0.0 it will be easier for 0.0 to stick to empire like a parasite to make 0.0 separate from empire should be the goal able to sustain itself ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Fenderson Finite Horizon Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.10.13 01:38:00 - [5] where are these quotes from?
SiJira	Posted - 2007.10.13 01:39:00 - [6] Originally by: Arana Tellen They will only be jumpable in lowsec/0.0, that is a given i dont feel like deciphering the rest of your post ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.10.13 01:39:00 - [7] Originally by: Arana Tellen They will only be jumpable in lowsec/0.0, gank the war targets in high sec and lowsec even without wardec? Yeah- so they jump station to station perfect safe - jump into the last system in low sec at a station and then they have the hug risk of a warp to zero to high sec. Its bad enough with the bloody carriers securly carrying loot out of 0.0 RISK v REWARD Dont make me laugh - this farcical mantra has lost any vestige of humor and slaps the poor EvE player in the face like a fish. SKUNK Originally by: Jeximo I also like how your cat only managed to hit the enter button when he/she jumped on your keyboard.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.10.13 01:40:00 - [8] Edited by: SiJira on 13/10/2007 01:40:25 Originally by: Fenderson where are these quotes from? http://myeve.eve-online.com/news.asp and skunk summed it up well ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Gabba The Three Hundred	Posted - 2007.10.13 01:54:00 - [9] So where is the risk to gate campers? Anytime someone shows up to take you on you run into your cozy NPC station. If you really want risk vs reward go into 0.0 where your neut alts cant watch local 1-2 jumos in every direction for any threat to your "risky" gatecamp.
Gobblock GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.13 01:56:00 - [10] Originally by: SiJira Quote: the spearheading Marauders and the warp-jamming Heavy Interdictors, i like Quote: not to mention the lockdown terrors that are the Electronic Attack Ships, i really like - but would prefer if they also worked on the current ships that are supposed to be good at electronic warfare but are not so great Quote: and the masters of the supply chain, the Jump Freighters. this is a joke and it is not funny basically a bunch of whiners got together and said mineral compression sucks CCP decided it would be wrong to capitulate to a bunch of whiners then someone at CCP said lets make freighters jump capable instead of tweaking carrier jump hauling which as far as i can tell is simply going ahead with the mineral compresion nerf but giving something that makes the change irrelevant - heres the catch only the rich people will feel as if nothing changed forget mining in 0.0 forget everything lets just make the mineral supply of 0.0 easier to do than it ever was by just buying from empire so everyone can go kill stuff lets not fix the way gate camping works now - instead lets make more very expensive ships that can bypass it discuss Why haven't you stopped talking about things you dont understand yet?
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.10.13 02:03:00 - [11] Originally by: Gabba So where is the risk to gate campers? Anytime someone shows up to take you on you run into your cozy NPC station. If you really want risk vs reward go into 0.0 where your neut alts cant watch local 1-2 jumos in every direction for any threat to your "risky" gatecamp. 1) The REWARD in low sec is pittance. Seriously. Its very hard to make a living baring the occasional bonanza or idiot coming through. Decent loot skips the area via the carrier jump ships or even titan jump bridge. I watch bob ferry 20 freighters via a jump bridge totaly safely about once a month. There is NO way of killing them. But at least the cost of the titan to produce makes this a reward for the huge outlay. 2) The risk is pretty low also - if you got a good system of scouts. But even with this I still lose ships tryinh out 1 on 1s / carriers jumping in on you/ large gang engagements. Quote: If you really want risk vs reward go into 0.0 where your neut alts cant watch local 1-2 jumos in every direction for any threat to your "risky" gatecamp. Why cant you have cloaked neutral alts in 0.0? Sorry am i missing something? Ive fought in 0.0, lowsec, and high sec in massive scale empire wars. 0.0 and low sec is roughly the same risk. Highsec wars in the Privateer alliance was about 10 times as hard. SKUNK Originally by: Jeximo I also like how your cat only managed to hit the enter button when he/she jumped on your keyboard.
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.13 02:03:00 - [12] if you remove the cynoships ability to refuel poses, you wont see any 2000 ppl alliance claiming 3 regions. tried to refuel 50+ poses? yeah even with 20 guys i just see a sad thing for transport specialties there, and a good will to keep the "powerblocks" where they are hauling should be a skill, not only a very annoying task ------ Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.13 02:12:00 - [13] sweet I may find a use for my freighter now I hope its 20 light year range Join The Fight With Promo Today
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.10.13 02:16:00 - [14] I wanted to troll your thread but tbh I strongly agree with you. CCP seem determined to make mechanics changes and introduce new ships. Some of those are interesting and worthwhile (heavy dictors, ewar frigs), whereas others seem just for the sake of change and making up the numbers. Make space bigger again, not smaller. Make it easier to disrupt people's supply chains, not more difficult (promoting pos warfare - yay). Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
R0ot Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.13 02:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Le Skunk Yeah- so they jump station to station from 0.0 to low sec perfectly safe Just like carriers are perfectly safe.... ------------------------------------------------------------------
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.10.13 02:29:00 - [16] Edited by: Le Skunk on 13/10/2007 02:30:17 Originally by: R0ot Originally by: Le Skunk Yeah- so they jump station to station from 0.0 to low sec perfectly safe Just like carriers are perfectly safe.... A carrier jumping station to station in low sec and insta docking is killable how?? Please enlighten me And I know you like the pretty yellow faces but stop clicking on them SKUNK Originally by: Jeximo I also like how your cat only managed to hit the enter button when he/she jumped on your keyboard.
Gabba The Three Hundred	Posted - 2007.10.13 02:39:00 - [17] Edited by: Gabba on 13/10/2007 02:39:43 Quote: Why cant you have cloaked neutral alts in 0.0? Sorry am i missing something? Oh its not that you cant have them, what i meant is they will stick out in alliance controlled space, as opposed to 0.5 systems with 60 guys in local. My main point was that many gatecamps scatter to the wind soon as you bring an even fleet, and if you go find them you see them all sitting in the stations. The risk vs reward thing just doesnt seem to be there to me.
Gabba The Three Hundred	Posted - 2007.10.13 02:43:00 - [18] Dont get me wrong, im not against gatecamps or anything. I dont even care about freighters much (eventhough i own one). I just dont see gatecampers take many risks vs the reward they want out of this (cap ship kills).
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.10.13 02:44:00 - [19] Originally by: R0ot Just like carriers are perfectly safe.... Have you ever managed to intercept a hauling carrier? I once had 15 Covetor BPOs jumped out. Noone even killed the cyno alt.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.10.13 02:48:00 - [20] Edited by: Le Skunk on 13/10/2007 02:51:03 Originally by: Gabba Edited by: Gabba on 13/10/2007 02:39:43 Quote: Why cant you have cloaked neutral alts in 0.0? Sorry am i missing something? Oh its not that you cant have them, what i meant is they will stick out in alliance controlled space, as opposed to 0.5 systems with 60 guys in local. My main point was that many gatecamps scatter to the wind soon as you bring an even fleet, and if you go find them you see them all sitting in the stations. The risk vs reward thing just doesnt seem to be there to me. 0.0 camping is a piece of **. Bang up a bubble/interdictor sphere. Have fast locking webbing huggin. Masacre everything that comes through the gate with your 10 damage dealing friends. Scouts tell you when a gank fleet is coming. Its a pidgeon shoot. Low sec killing is harder. You cant used frigates to assist your tackling so you have an instant tackle problem. You cant use bubbles. You cannot deploy interdictor spheres. You have sentry guns firing at you. You cannot idle on the gate without taking fire. Scouts used in both high sec and low sec enable fleet to disperse / cloak if overwhelming forces come in. SKUNK The truth is a LV4 mission runner sat in high sec with ZEROP risk makes far more reward then a low sec pirate with a fraction of the risk Originally by:** Jeximo I also like how your cat only managed to hit the enter button when he/she jumped on your keyboard.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.13 02:57:00 - [21] This just makes it so that smaller alliances and corps without the necessary resources to erect a jump bridge or build a titan are not so hampered in their logistics efforts. Not a big deal really, go back under your bridge SiJira
murder one Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.13 03:11:00 - [22] I can't believe I'm agreeing wth SiJira... All this effort to nerf supplies jumped in by carriers and for what? Now it will be next to impossible to blockade an enemy and try and strangle them into submission. I figured that some sort of freighter was coming for the last ship class, but thought it would be a half sized 'freighter light' that would bridge the gap between the current designs and the t1/t2 haulers. Jump capable freighters... are they even going to be allowed in high-sec at all? Hopefully not. [07:13:55] doctorstupid2 > what do i train now? [07:14:05] Trista Rotnor > little boys to 2 Fleet Combat Ships
Morn Judith Caldari Sovereigns of Destiny	Posted - 2007.10.13 03:17:00 - [23] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Eval B'Stard Sorry don't see your point ? This seems like a logical next step to me, easier to live in 0.0 means more people in 0.0 means more targets for me and my corp. I see no downside. its not easier to live in 0.0 it will be easier for 0.0 to stick to empire like a parasite to make 0.0 separate from empire should be the goal able to sustain itself Ok, first of all, you've made enough posts in the last year to teach a basic typing class, and not one of them have been anything relevant. And second off: what is this thing about 0.0 being completely separate from Empire? I don't understand. How will 0.0 ever be able to sustain itself without skill books, towers, and the tons of other items available from NPCs? And yes, I know there are 0.0 NPC regions, but most of the nullsec alliances can't just stroll 50-odd jumps to their nearest NPC 0.0 region inhabited by hostiles. It's much easier to throw them on your nice and shiny jump-capable freighter. Please. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.13 03:19:00 - [24] i like jumpdrive capable frighters.
Foot M FM Corp Insomnia.	Posted - 2007.10.13 03:21:00 - [25] Edited by: Foot M on 13/10/2007 03:22:46 Originally by: Le Skunk A carrier jumping station to station in low sec and insta docking is killable how?? Please enlighten me And I know you like the pretty yellow faces but stop clicking on them SKUNK Just ask Pandemic Legion.... 30 sec dock timer, plenty of time for a nono phoon to bump your carrier 20km off station.... they killed 7-8 carriers in a week using this method. i think the t2 freighters will have a positive impact on the game, being a carrier pilot will no longer be something to hide because your sick and tired of people begging you for jumps, or not logging in with your main cus you know you will have 20 eve mails waiting for you... it will offer the ability to people who want to haul stuff and have taken the time to train a skill which is meant for hauling stuff to actually do what they want to do beyond being stuck in empire. i dont look forward to logging in and moving 5,000,000 m3 worth of junk from a-b (ps im not talking about a system called a-b), not because i dont get compensated for my time, but just simply because i want to kill something not sit there jumping unloading haulers reloading haulers all bleedin evening. bring on the t2 freighters, well done ccp Foot M
Lin Dei Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2007.10.13 03:25:00 - [26] Doesn't the cyno stay open for 5-10minutes? That gives plenty of time to jump a Black Ops BS to see what jumped and then jump in carriers. Or heck, just jump in and shoot. These freighters only have 5ly base jump range, so if you see one jump away you can quickly guess which cyno it jumped to. I also don't mind them going into high-sec, that will help enourmous amounts in livening up low-sec and 0.0 markets. Butm if they do allow that then PLEASE make them require level 5 freighter skill and level 5 jump drive operation. Otherwise as it is, anyone who can fly a freighter can fly these. Then ofcourse there is the price issue ;) . ------------------ If you see me post it's because either: 1) Silly forums made me do it 2) Because I was too lazy to change characters 3) Because I wanted to 4) <insert mod comment here>
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.13 04:05:00 - [27] Originally by: SiJira ... its not easier to live in 0.0 it will be easier for 0.0 to stick to empire like a parasite to make 0.0 separate from empire should be the goal able to sustain itself As long as POS fuel items like Robotics and the like can only be aquired from NPC trade 0.0 will always have a symbiotic relationship with high-sec. It's just a shame that the supply lines are being made safer all the time.
SonOfAGhost Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.13 04:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Eval B'Stard This seems like a logical next step to me, easier to live in 0.0 means more people in 0.0 means more targets for me and my corp. All hail the RMS Rifter Fleet Who needs the Nikkei when there's EBay? Lag? GTFOOJ!
franny Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.10.13 05:06:00 - [29] Originally by: Goumindong This just makes it so that smaller alliances and corps without the necessary resources to erect a jump bridge or build a titan are not so hampered in their logistics efforts. Not a big deal really, go back under your bridge SiJira I can't believe I agree with a Goon! that said, ya, just make them require freighter 5 and a decent lvl of jump skill /me hides the alt with Gal freighter 5 already finished PKKP recruitment
Frug Zenithal Harvest BROTHER'S WORD	Posted - 2007.10.13 05:20:00 - [30] What a silly whine... - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles

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