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Tempest Kane Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.13 03:15:00 - [1] Short and sweet... we love the new graphics.. we do... great work lads. But we dont care about new graphics, infact we dont care what the game looks like at all. We play with the overview. We care about peformance.. And sure this will make things run nicer... but just give us a text based version and be done with it :P Seriously tho.. peformance...
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.10.13 07:19:00 - [2] We do care about the graphics. EVE graphics are so outdated it's sad. Performance Performance Performance. Yupp they are taking care of that also. Thanks for your thread :) NEXT ONE! ______ Originally by: Vyger If I lose connection while walking around a station will my avatar run off in a random direction and go hide in a corner?
Gor Kraon Minmatar Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.13 07:59:00 - [3] I'd gladly play EVE in ASCII art if it actually would run better, but i doubt it would. Graphics should have no relation to how the server performs in fleet battles, and if it does they screwed up.
Lost Hamster Serenity and Unicum Hungarian Corp	Posted - 2007.10.13 08:46:00 - [4] Actually, with the graphic engine update, they will move the graphic calculation what currently your CPU is calculating to the Video card. That means less things to calculate, so your CPU will have time to calculate the important things, what will result in better performance. As probably many of you don't know, but the graphic engine is really old. It can not use the processing power what is in the current video cards. This Graphic engine should bring better performance.
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.10.13 08:57:00 - [5] Originally by: Tempest Kane Short and sweet... we love the new graphics.. we do... great work lads. But we dont care about new graphics, infact we dont care what the game looks like at all. We play with the overview. We care about peformance.. And sure this will make things run nicer... but just give us a text based version and be done with it :P Seriously tho.. peformance... Speak for yourself, the majority of the playerbase doesn't give two hoots about 200 vs 200 fleetbattles but hey... ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Stellar Vix State War Academy	Posted - 2007.10.13 10:28:00 - [6] If we didnt get the Trinity 2 engine we can have these things go away Say good bye to new weapon effects. Say good bye to new physics engine which is heavily reliant on the new graphics engine which omg the current phsyics engine causes desync. say good bye to planetary interaction say good bye to walking in stations say good bye to walking in your pos say good bye to walking in your ship say good bye to your fancy dancy GPU wasted memory and resistors, eve doesnt really use it with the old engine say good bye to complex situations and environmental strategic environments say good bye to formations (which if you kept up looks cool and would boost smaller gangs) and say hello to the constant whine why this ship is so fulgy and why the model of that certain ship has never been fixed. If you dont want the new better performing graphics your more than welcomed to use classic version of eve which omg is the same damn thing without the higher res skins and SM3 support. Most of the new engine is implmented to have the old models in classic version of eve. Also how would you feel if somone walked up to you and said throw away the last 7 years of your life away? Eve new graphics engine would take a single person 24/7/365 over 7 years to make. And before you start to whine about the lag look no further than your ISP and then your activities, tiscal isp managed block eve because the high amount of bandwidth it was demanding. Serioulsy its an online game 0% lag is impossible. And you guys keep pushing the envelope and stressing the server more. And before you go about say they still need to fix lag they have been fixing lag every chance they get, with trinity 2 out well be essentially be playing a 4th version of EVE where they rewrote most of the code again for optimzation. Then the thousands within the last year of hardware they pour into this game is probably worth than a few houses in your neighborhood put together. If graphics isnt your deal then you should go back playing text based pong. SWA PVP
Braeriach	Posted - 2007.10.13 11:10:00 - [7] Originally by: Stellar Vix If we didnt get the Trinity 2 engine we can have these things go away Say good bye to new weapon effects. Say good bye to new physics engine which is heavily reliant on the new graphics engine which omg the current phsyics engine causes desync. say good bye to planetary interaction say good bye to walking in stations say good bye to walking in your pos say good bye to walking in your ship say good bye to your fancy dancy GPU wasted memory and resistors, eve doesnt really use it with the old engine say good bye to complex situations and environmental strategic environments say good bye to formations (which if you kept up looks cool and would boost smaller gangs) and say hello to the constant whine why this ship is so fulgy and why the model of that certain ship has never been fixed. If you dont want the new better performing graphics your more than welcomed to use classic version of eve which omg is the same damn thing without the higher res skins and SM3 support. Most of the new engine is implmented to have the old models in classic version of eve. Also how would you feel if somone walked up to you and said throw away the last 7 years of your life away? Eve new graphics engine would take a single person 24/7/365 over 7 years to make. And before you start to whine about the lag look no further than your ISP and then your activities, tiscal isp managed block eve because the high amount of bandwidth it was demanding. Serioulsy its an online game 0% lag is impossible. And you guys keep pushing the envelope and stressing the server more. And before you go about say they still need to fix lag they have been fixing lag every chance they get, with trinity 2 out well be essentially be playing a 4th version of EVE where they rewrote most of the code again for optimzation. Then the thousands within the last year of hardware they pour into this game is probably worth than a few houses in your neighborhood put together. If graphics isnt your deal then you should go back playing text based pong. agreed 100% This will make the game more immersive and opens up further opportunities to better the game. as far as I can see this is one of the better things to happen to EVE for a long time and lays important foundation for future development.
Starcream	Posted - 2007.10.13 12:14:00 - [8] i enjoy games with good graphics this is just the mainpart of a game world. in a mmo, the environment can not be look "relastic" enough, even in eve online. i prefer variety and not only a new name and color for a ship who already exist.
zeeZ Exus Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:30:00 - [9] Originally by: Tempest Kane But we dont care about new graphics, infact we dont care what the game looks like at all. We play with the overview. We care about peformance.. I've read somewhere the new graphics engine also comes with a new overview backend, can't remember where though. Could this be the end of overview lag?
Tonto Auri	Posted - 2007.10.13 13:58:00 - [10] Let me comment this one? Originally by: Stellar Vix If we didnt get the Trinity 2 engine we can have these things go away > Say good bye to new weapon effects. Good! Better perfomance is always good! > Say good bye to new physics engine which is heavily > reliant on the new graphics engine which omg the > current phsyics engine causes desync. You're wrong and physics have nothing to do with graphics > say good bye to planetary interaction Why? False statement as is. Game mechanics have nothing to do with game graphics. > say good bye to walking in stations > say good bye to walking in your pos Then more time we spend to play EVE. > say good bye to walking in your ship You can't walk in ship - Your egg aren't fitted with legs. > say good bye to your fancy dancy GPU wasted memory > and resistors, eve doesnt really use it with the > old engine I'd better see EVE in ASCII - much faster and responsive. > say good bye to complex situations and > environmental strategic environments See above - game mechanics have nothing to do with graphics engine. > say good bye to formations (which if you kept up > looks cool and would boost smaller gangs) You're include it to make Your list longer? I'm laughing loudly at You. > and say hello to the constant whine why this ship > is so fulgy and why the model of that certain ship > has never been fixed. I've played Galaxy and Stars! and have no problem with ship models. First have no models at all, second long time had only set of different pics. > If you dont want the new better performing graphics > your more than welcomed to use classic version of > eve which omg is the same damn thing without the > higher res skins and SM3 support. Classic EVE will still get it's boost with SM3, but will not be shipped with new graphics and models (the're approx 1.3Gb PACKAGED so it isn't that easy to distribute such huge pack across whole EVE community) Originally by: Stellar Vix And before you start to whine about the lag look no further than your ISP and then your activities, tiscal isp managed block eve because the high amount of bandwidth it was demanding. Serioulsy its an online game 0% lag is impossible. And you guys keep pushing the envelope and stressing the server more. EVE still have HUGE amount of possible lag reductions. One example - moving pile of crap from cargohold to hangar. Right now it is moved by item, generating incredible amount of traffic between client and server. Solution is simple. Send one packet with full list of moved crap (or set of packets fits into single packet size but still contains number of moved items), and let server answer with single "yes/no" reply to confirm or discard movement. 5-15 times traffic reduction. Originally by: Stellar Vix If graphics isnt your deal then you should go back playing text based pong. If I want graphics, I can play X2 installed on my PC. But thanks, I prefer to play EVE. To PLAY, not wait to play. -- Thanks CCP for cu<end of sig>
MasterDecoy Gallente The Grifters	Posted - 2007.10.13 14:17:00 - [11] Originally by: Icome4u We do care about the graphics. EVE graphics are so outdated it's sad. Performance Performance Performance. Yupp they are taking care of that also. Thanks for your thread :) NEXT ONE! dude, you have anger issues... Originally by: Evilempire1 good, im pentitioning you for slandering.
Karlemgne The Malevolent The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.10.13 17:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Tempest Kane Short and sweet... we love the new graphics.. we do... great work lads. But we dont care about new graphics, infact we dont care what the game looks like at all. We play with the overview. We care about peformance.. And sure this will make things run nicer... but just give us a text based version and be done with it :P Seriously tho.. peformance... Speak for yourself, bro. Gameplay isn't the only reason I play EVE instead of Star Sonata. Bottom line without a new graphics engine its hard to attract new players, and eventually eve dies. Just a fact about how video games, especially MMOs, operate. -Karl
Zoon Muidac Vanguard Frontiers INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.10.15 17:24:00 - [13] I agree about performance is more important, but they need to make a new engine, so lets just have the option to turn it all off, seriously, soon as you pvp you just want performance.

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2007.10.15 17:38:00 - [14] Considering that the new engine hasn't even been released for testing, I feel you may be passing judgment a touch too early.

Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2007.10.15 18:13:00 - [15] Originally by: CCP Atropos Considering that the new engine hasn't even been released for testing, I feel you may be passing judgment a touch too early. Yes indeed, any idea when we will be able to start testing the new graphics engine ?
Missy Saints	Posted - 2007.10.15 19:19:00 - [16] Originally by: CCP Atropos Considering that the new engine hasn't even been released for testing, I feel you may be passing judgment a touch too early. WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN OOOH YEAH WHEN??
Yorick Downe Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.10.15 19:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Sirial Soulfly Originally by: CCP Atropos Considering that the new engine hasn't even been released for testing, I feel you may be passing judgment a touch too early. Yes indeed, any idea when we will be able to start testing the new graphics engine ? NOBODY expects the new EvE graphics engine! Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to PvP.... Our four...no... Amongst our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.10.15 20:38:00 - [18] Originally by: Tempest Kane Short and sweet... we love the new graphics.. we do... great work lads. But we dont care about new graphics, infact we dont care what the game looks like at all. We play with the overview. We care about peformance.. And sure this will make things run nicer... but just give us a text based version and be done with it :P Seriously tho.. peformance... Speak for yourself please. We aren't all ubertwitchy counterstrike players that play everything on uberlow and change some graphic files just so we can shoot the other guy better. And if you would have read more about the new engine before ranting : performance increases due to the load getting taken off your cpu and moved to your gpu.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.15 20:46:00 - [19] Edited by: Andrue on 15/10/2007 20:47:19 Originally by: Stellar Vix And before you start to whine about the lag look no further than your ISP and then your activities, tiscal isp managed block eve because the high amount of bandwidth it was demanding. Eve is a very low bandwidth application - as are all MMORPGs. By design they minimise network usage in order to support a large number of players. It's an order of magnitude thing. The amount of work is the number of people being informed multipled by the amount of information. MMORPG developers cannot, absolutely cannot afford to be profligate with bandwidth. Tiscali had problems with Eve for some other technical reason. Probably they blocked any UDP traffic that they didn't recognise on the stupid assumption that it was P2P traffic. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.15 20:47:00 - [20] Originally by: CCP Atropos Considering that the new engine hasn't even been released for testing, I feel you may be passing judgment a touch too early. Wow - that'd be a first for these forms, huh? You'll be accusing people of complaining on the basis of insufficient information next -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Zachoriah Cain Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:12:00 - [21] Originally by: CCP Atropos Considering that the new engine hasn't even been released for testing, I feel you may be passing judgment a touch too early. Would you be kind enough to release it like tomorrow please ? :p
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:20:00 - [22] Edited by: Arana Tellen on 15/10/2007 22:21:27 Originally by: Tonto Auri Let me comment this one? Originally by: Stellar Vix If we didnt get the Trinity 2 engine we can have these things go away >> Say good bye to new physics engine which is heavily >> reliant on the new graphics engine which omg the >> current phsyics engine causes desync. > You're wrong and physics have nothing to do with graphics Sorry but they do, models and model interactions link them both, they usually go hand in hand both writen into the engine so WRONG yourself. >> say good bye to planetary interaction > Why? False statement as is. Game mechanics have nothing to do with game graphics. Go play a MUD? >> say good bye to walking in stations >> say good bye to walking in your pos >Then more time we spend to play EVE. Eve has a lot to do with immersion, fine if that is not a big part for YOU but it is for a lot of us. >> say good bye to walking in your ship > You can't walk in ship - Your egg aren't fitted with legs. You can get out of your POD (backstory). >> say good bye to your fancy dancy GPU wasted memory >> and resistors, eve doesnt really use it with the >> old engine >I'd better see EVE in ASCII - much faster and responsive. The current eve engine runs the graphics through the CPU. Even with the fastest CPU Eve is greatly CPU limited, as such by using a computers resources more efficiantly the game can become faster even when shinier. (Please note that the improved engine with old models is an alternative option if you want it) >> say good bye to complex situations and >> environmental strategic environments >See above - game mechanics have nothing to do with graphics engine. A better engine would allow for better maps/map effects that would load down the CPU too much atm since its very poor at certain graphics tasks compared to a (shock) GPU. >> say good bye to formations (which if you kept up >> looks cool and would boost smaller gangs) > You're include it to make Your list longer? > I'm laughing loudly at You. Logistics pilots would love propper formations so be quiet already. >> and say hello to the constant whine why this ship >> is so fulgy and why the model of that certain ship >> has never been fixed. >I've played Galaxy and Stars! and have no problem with ship models. >First have no models at all, second long time had only set of different pics. EPEEN ALERT! Beyond that, if you like those sorts of games.... go play them? >> If you dont want the new better performing graphics >> your more than welcomed to use classic version of >> eve which omg is the same damn thing without the >> higher res skins and SM3 support. > Classic EVE will still get it's boost with SM3, but will not be shipped with new graphics and models (the're > approx 1.3Gb PACKAGED so it isn't that easy to distribute such huge pack across whole EVE community) Classic EVE will NOT have the SM3 requirement, will NOT include the textures and models. This is OPTIONAL! Originally by: Stellar Vix And before you start to whine about the lag look no further than your ISP and then your activities, tiscal isp managed block eve because the high amount of bandwidth it was demanding. Serioulsy its an online game 0% lag is impossible. And you guys keep pushing the envelope and stressing the server more. > EVE still have HUGE amount of possible lag reductions. One example - moving pile of crap from cargohold to hangar. Right now it is moved by item, generating incredible amount of traffic between client and server. Solution is simple. Send one packet with full list of moved crap (or set of packets fits into single packet size but still contains number of moved items), and let server answer with single "yes/no" reply to confirm or discard movement. 5-15 times traffic reduction. Do you even know what the hell you are talking about, each item is currently a number already lol. Please read up on what you talk about BEFORE you post. --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 800mhh 4-4-4-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Stellar Vix State War Academy	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:46:00 - [23] Dual monitor support, have your ui on one monitor and turn the other off. SWA PVP
Drenan	Posted - 2007.10.16 00:47:00 - [24] I can tell you when the new engine will go on test...sometime after Fanfest. Why does everything in Eve have to revolve around an event that only a tiny percentage of the playerbase will attend?
Haffrage Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.16 02:28:00 - [25] Quote: But we dont care about new graphics, infact we dont care what the game looks like at all. Speak for your ***** self. You know half the I hate about this game is frame skip? I have to spend a few minutes in a pos, and my entire computer is laggy because of that ty pos shield. Or I'm in a fleet fight and I'm getting more graphical lag than I am server lag - and the fact that I can't move my mouse like I need to might be what gets me killed. Hell, it IS what's gotten me killed, multiple times. I can run Portal, HL2:Ep2, and TF2 on high. High across the board, that's with model, shaders, very high textures, all of it. That's because their graphics engines are up to date, and my graphics card is good. But this game? This game gives me the worst performance of any game I have played in the last decade. Why? Because its graphics engine is **. And yes, I do play this game because I like shiny things. I do want a new graphics engine. If the only things I wanted in a game were a realistic economy and a dog eat dog, backstabbing, thief-ridden world I'd be a politician. I wouldn't play a video game, that's for sure. In other words don't shove words in an entire playerbase's mouth, kthx. T2 Tier 2 Battlecruisers \| Eve GUI Tweaks
Gabrielle Atrocity	Posted - 2007.10.16 03:20:00 - [26] It sucks that awful threads like this actually get a dev response while legit threads go unanswered.
Stellar Vix State War Academy	Posted - 2007.10.16 05:02:00 - [27] quelling of sharp harsh toungs is oftenly a higher priority than kinder tones that doesnt generate unnessecary negativity. SWA PVP

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