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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.13 11:50:00 -
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àthe bandwagon express to whinesvile!
CCP, I donÆt know if you can read this but I think you are doing an excellent job. The new ships and models look great and the new content looks even better. You have put lots of hard work into this game and you are always making it better. I will always have faith in you and what you do. After all thatÆs why you guys make the games and I play them.
Please donÆt take any of the nonsense some of the subscribers are stirring up. Just picture this analogy as IÆm sure you have, ôYou give them cake they want cheese, give them cheese they want crisps, give them crisps they eat themà..but thenà.complain that they preferred it when they had cakeàö. No matter what you do you will always have people complaining.
Mainly because this is escapism from so many peoples daily life so they want it in a specific way so they can enjoy it more, but what a lot of them donÆt realise is that every change effects every other person differently. You changed nos, IÆm sure the people being nosed to death loved it, but the people who piloted nos-domiÆs etc. where a little stuck for what they do now.
The point IÆm trying to make is donÆt take any of the crap some of the subscribers are giving you, you are doing a great job and well I look forward to seeing what
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.13 11:53:00 -
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The words are so touching that they made me cried. 
I do agree with you though so God bless CCP. 
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Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng.
I 100% agree with Avon.
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Kimiko Kurosawa
The Krugerrand Groupies
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Posted - 2007.10.13 11:57:00 -
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I agree with OP. Seems to be a lot of moany, grumpy people about today.
Complaining about windows of all things. Windows!!
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El'basin
Amarr
The New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.10.13 13:00:00 -
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I agree with OP, I for one think that the new graphics looks really good and Im really looking forward to see more of it. Keep supplying us with great stuff CCP.
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.13 13:05:00 -
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/signed 
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(combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom. |
Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:12:00 -
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rather than posting a new topic to spam, I thought I would share my love for CCP again on such a joyous day. Even though I haven't experienced Armageddon day you have to thank CCP for even extending the time and allowing usage. I just hope I can get a look in next year...
GO CCP!!
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Temp Boi
Gr0und Zer0
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Posted - 2007.10.16 23:17:00 -
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ucc ftl
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Sylvia Lafayette
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Posted - 2007.10.16 23:20:00 -
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Three cheers for CCP!
HIP HIP!
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2007.10.16 23:26:00 -
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/signed
I truly believe that the whiners are just upset and are still EVE fans as they are still here , and I have complained once or twice in the past so technically I am a whiner too
big up to all of the hard working CCP staff
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.22 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 22/10/2007 11:28:19
Carrier Drone Reduction
CCP announced that they will be limiting the active amount of fighters a carrier can use to 5. This means that they can still assign fighters to people, but can only use 5 at a time. The forums appear to be in uproar, but I noticed Le Skunk standing strong. Heres the quote: -
 Originally by: Le Skunk
There are about a hundred people posting something along the lines of
"boo hoo hoo i trained for 8 months for a carrier and you nerfed it. Im leaving the game with my fifteen accounts as the carrier with only 5 drones is useless. That new dev is an idiot Wrangler save me"
Total overreaction, bandwagon stylee.
Makes me proud to see other people not jumping on the bandwagon, appreciating what CCP are trying to do. These people look further than trying to complain about ôWhy Cant I WIN!!! NERF IT!ö.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.22 11:51:00 -
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This gets the Tarminic seal of approval.
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Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2007.10.22 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 22/10/2007 11:28:19
Carrier Drone Reduction
CCP announced that they will be limiting the active amount of fighters a carrier can use to 5. This means that they can still assign fighters to people, but can only use 5 at a time. The forums appear to be in uproar, but I noticed Le Skunk standing strong. Heres the quote: -
Originally by: Le Skunk
There are about a hundred people posting something along the lines of
"boo hoo hoo i trained for 8 months for a carrier and you nerfed it. Im leaving the game with my fifteen accounts as the carrier with only 5 drones is useless. That new dev is an idiot Wrangler save me"
Total overreaction, bandwagon stylee.
Makes me proud to see other people not jumping on the bandwagon, appreciating what CCP are trying to do. These people look further than trying to complain about ôWhy Cant I WIN!!! NERF IT!ö.
Those two aren't mutually exclusive. I see CCP's intent with this, and I even agree with it, but the fact is, I wouldn't have trained for a carrier if they worked with only 5 fighters at a time to begin with. If I had the choice, I'd go with the change, and get my carrier-related skillpoints invested in something else.
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Deeeva
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Posted - 2007.10.22 11:59:00 -
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CCP deal with so much crud on here at times, about time we gave them some love aswell :-)
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Gal'tashec
Gallente
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2007.10.22 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 22/10/2007 11:28:19
Carrier Drone Reduction
CCP announced that they will be limiting the active amount of fighters a carrier can use to 5. This means that they can still assign fighters to people, but can only use 5 at a time. The forums appear to be in uproar, but I noticed Le Skunk standing strong. Heres the quote: -
Originally by: Le Skunk
There are about a hundred people posting something along the lines of
"boo hoo hoo i trained for 8 months for a carrier and you nerfed it. Im leaving the game with my fifteen accounts as the carrier with only 5 drones is useless. That new dev is an idiot Wrangler save me"
Total overreaction, bandwagon stylee.
Makes me proud to see other people not jumping on the bandwagon, appreciating what CCP are trying to do. These people look further than trying to complain about ôWhy Cant I WIN!!! NERF IT!ö.
Could we please stay to facts? CCP did not announce anything what so ever abour reducing the number of active drones/fighters by carriers & motherships. They clearly said that they had an idea for a change and that they wanted the communities feedback. Infact they were explicitly clear on it not being a decision but an idea. Reposting it as a decided fact just adds to the flame wars we dont need nor want.
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Molly Neuro
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Posted - 2007.10.22 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gal'tashec
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 22/10/2007 11:28:19
Carrier Drone Reduction
CCP announced that they will be limiting the active amount of fighters a carrier can use to 5. This means that they can still assign fighters to people, but can only use 5 at a time. The forums appear to be in uproar, but I noticed Le Skunk standing strong. Heres the quote: -
Originally by: Le Skunk
There are about a hundred people posting something along the lines of
"boo hoo hoo i trained for 8 months for a carrier and you nerfed it. Im leaving the game with my fifteen accounts as the carrier with only 5 drones is useless. That new dev is an idiot Wrangler save me"
Total overreaction, bandwagon stylee.
Makes me proud to see other people not jumping on the bandwagon, appreciating what CCP are trying to do. These people look further than trying to complain about ôWhy Cant I WIN!!! NERF IT!ö.
Could we please stay to facts? CCP did not announce anything what so ever abour reducing the number of active drones/fighters by carriers & motherships. They clearly said that they had an idea for a change and that they wanted the communities feedback. Infact they were explicitly clear on it not being a decision but an idea. Reposting it as a decided fact just adds to the flame wars we dont need nor want.
Unfortunately with CCP ideas--->>> implementing is often the same thing with a very rare minor tweak based on feedback.
btw is the OP an employee doing some astroturfing or just generally nice to everyone for any reason ;)
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Kiqui
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Posted - 2007.10.22 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Molly Neuro
Unfortunately with CCP ideas--->>> implementing is often the same thing with a very rare minor tweak based on feedback.
btw is the OP an employee doing some astroturfing or just generally nice to everyone for any reason ;)
"Minor tweak", like, say, the entire Khanid change?
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Molly Neuro
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Posted - 2007.10.22 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kiqui
Originally by: Molly Neuro
Unfortunately with CCP ideas--->>> implementing is often the same thing with a very rare minor tweak based on feedback.
btw is the OP an employee doing some astroturfing or just generally nice to everyone for any reason ;)
"Minor tweak", like, say, the entire Khanid change?
that wasn't a CCP idea.
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The Fates
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.10.22 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gal'tashec
They clearly said that they had an idea for a change
Yer not frum around here, is ya?
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TomParad0x
Caldari
Silver Snake Enterprise
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.22 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 16/10/2007 22:26:55
Armageddon day 2007
From what I see, today was suppose to be a day of fun where the EVE Community had the chance to leave the grinde for a while and jump onto SISI with every skill and ship you could imagine. For many this was the case, butfor others, work, lag, queues , and banns stope dthem from participating. CCP has done a brilliant job handling the spam and abuse hurled at them from rowdy subscribers. Again I would like to drop a note of my appreciation. Thanks guys doing a great job!
I agree with you: CCP are doing a great job, however I would like to correct something:
Armageddon day was a day meant for them to do stress tests, mainly on the proxy servers if I recall. To do this they needed a way to get people to participate, so they had Armageddon day so they could get as many people as they can. While it was fun for many members of the EVE community, its primary reason was not that.
But yes, CCP is doing a great job, and I cant wait to see the new graphics updates.
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Unvisibility
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Posted - 2007.10.22 14:50:00 -
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CCP are good at some things.
They're also VERY VERY bad at many things including:
Bug fixes. Bugs exist for *years* before being fixed.
Keeping promises and schedules. Factional warfare anyone?
Fully considering implications of ideas, nerfs, changes. No need to elaborate here.
Personally it's the repeated and prolonged failure to fix old, old, OLD bugs that ticks me off the most. Fed up to the back teeth of hearing how bug fix teams and content teams are separate people - FFS employ more bug fixers and sack a few content devs then! Sheesh.
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.10.22 15:50:00 -
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/NOT signed.
CCP is messing with the very reason I've stayed with Eve for 3 years: Carriers. I'm not going to give any Congradlations or Thanks for anything they've have done/will do as long as they are proposing destroying the one thing in the game I've trained for. Sorry, but this hits too hard in my own backyard.
No negoations or discussion till CCP removes the Sword of Damoclese hanging over Carrier pilot heads!
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Shopping Kart
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Posted - 2007.10.22 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 22/10/2007 11:28:19
Carrier Drone Reduction
CCP announced that they will be limiting the active amount of fighters a carrier can use to 5. This means that they can still assign fighters to people, but can only use 5 at a time. The forums appear to be in uproar, but I noticed Le Skunk standing strong. Heres the quote: -
Originally by: Le Skunk
There are about a hundred people posting something along the lines of
"boo hoo hoo i trained for 8 months for a carrier and you nerfed it. Im leaving the game with my fifteen accounts as the carrier with only 5 drones is useless. That new dev is an idiot Wrangler save me"
Total overreaction, bandwagon stylee.
Makes me proud to see other people not jumping on the bandwagon, appreciating what CCP are trying to do. These people look further than trying to complain about ôWhy Cant I WIN!!! NERF IT!ö.
Hey Fanboy/Moron, let me explain something to you. With this nerf a carrier becomes a dominix-lite with a corp hanger and the ability to cost isk to move.
IF Eve was a lag-free envirnoment maybe I could get behind SOME of the proposed changes. But, Eve will never be lag free.
To CCP: Wha the **** is the point of a mothership now? It must be the uber clone bay! By the way, mine some data and see how often they are used (capital clone bays). How about you actually fix shi5t that dont work and leave the rest alone.
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Or'Chan
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.10.22 16:16:00 -
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/signed.
We need more threads like this
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Evil Scientist
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Posted - 2007.10.22 17:00:00 -
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Though i generaly agree with ccp i dont with the carrier drone issue mainly bc of the amount of time and money ppl have invested in it. Its 1 thing to nerf a module its something else to nerf a ship and especially a capital ship.
I myself have on my main around 12 million sp that has been trained just for the carrier.. If i knew from the start that i would get a ship that could only handle 5 fighters and no weapons i would never have spent all that time training nor all the isk on skills and the ship.
If the problem is so big then by all means change it but since it have such a big impact on time ppl have spent training they should offer a skill reposition program, i know i would use it :)
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:01:00 -
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Bitter-Sweet-EVE Online
Lets take a look at this for a moment, the current situation with EVE, and flavour of the months is: -
-CCP are killing EVE online
-They keep ænerfingÆ things that donÆt need to be changed
-Why is this game becoming such a grind for ISK, Reward, Ships and Supremacy
Has any one stopped and looked at the things being nerfed at the moment, or in the past for that matter? After doing so has any one looked at the whines that preceded the nerfs? My point is it is not CCP that is ruining the game. All flames aside, no offences meant, it is you, the loyal member base.
For lack of a better word, your æWhine CloakÆ comes out BEFORE the nerfing takes place. If you look CCP are just doing there job to keep their member base happy, doing what they do best responding to the complaints to their paying customers. As a result the very thing that is making this game so unique and playable (The fact the Developers listen), is what is ruining the game.
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Lets take 3 groups of different types of EVE online player: -
Group A û The ôNatural Born Winnersö. A small group of players who find fits that are not in the factory manual. They will revolutionise the form of combat, mining, salvaging or any other aspect of the game to there favour by ôThinking out side of the boxö
Group B û The ôEasily Swayedö. The people who will support and try something that is good that will help them work. These are generally the Masses of EVE Online made up of new and old players alike.
Group C û The ôSquaresö. The general majority of EVE Online player who will do things by the book. They sat through the old 7 hour tutorial who think mining is the only way to make money, until they get bored and do what ever next it said to do. Or will generally wonder around EVE with less that 50 Million ISK in there pocket because they find it hard to make money in what ever role they choose but will never understand how people can make money faster or in more quantity than them. They are also determined not to adapt.
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Now that we have the groups hereÆs the summary of what will happen: -
- Group A finds something new that gives an advantage in game (i.e. Nos-Domi/Myrm, Nano-Phoon, Blaster-Thron/Trix/Rax, Passive-Drake).
- Group A experiments with the new find and kills a lot of Group B/C.
- Group B adopts Group As fitting and starts to gain equal supremacy.
- Group C see that they do not stand a chance and are reluctant to change game play tactics. They start to whine on the forum.
- Group C spend months persistently whingeing until they get recognising from the developers who now think there is a problem with the game.
- After months of analysing the game logs and complaints they change the game.
That is what happens, look over old forum post if you like, go to EVE Search and look up Overpowered and see the content that comes up, 1300+ pages when I looked.
So again guys, as I have previously mentioned ôIÆm not jumping aboard the bandwagon express to whinesvile!ö. I would please request that you donÆt either because thatÆs what is ruining the game for everyone, you demand Developer intervention so they come. Do you think they would change the game so much if you didnÆt request it? I will leave you with that thought.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:07:00 -
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I wholly support this thread and it's message.
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sapanda1102222
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:22:00 -
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Edited by: sapanda1102222 on 09/11/2007 01:23:12
It is clear that you were never wronged. Lots of people still think a certain german dictator was a wonderful guy and they are mostly those that believe they were unaffected by his evil ideas.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: sapanda1102222
It is clear that you were never wronged. Lots of people still think ****** was a wonderful guy today, mostly those that believe they were unaffected by his evil ideas.
Godwin's Law, Auto-fail 
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:26:00 -
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Please donÆt tell me your are comparing CCP to him...
And he improved the German economy for a time until it imploded in his face because he lost the battle of Brittan.
CCP have done you all no wrong and try to make the game better for you all, but all they get seems to be insults and snotty nosed remarks like that spoilt child in a candy store. All I ask is that you show them some respect and think about your actions in and out of game and how it changes it for the rest of the game.
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sapanda1102222
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian
All I ask is that you show them some respect and think about your actions in and out of game and how it effects the rest of the playerbase.
If I am to show respect then I demand respect. Not answering an important and properly labeled petition for over 72 hours is clear lack of respect. Answering another petition of the same nature with the words to wait for the queue in 5 minutes only underlines the disrespect.
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