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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.13 11:50:00 -
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àthe bandwagon express to whinesvile!
CCP, I donÆt know if you can read this but I think you are doing an excellent job. The new ships and models look great and the new content looks even better. You have put lots of hard work into this game and you are always making it better. I will always have faith in you and what you do. After all thatÆs why you guys make the games and I play them.
Please donÆt take any of the nonsense some of the subscribers are stirring up. Just picture this analogy as IÆm sure you have, ôYou give them cake they want cheese, give them cheese they want crisps, give them crisps they eat themà..but thenà.complain that they preferred it when they had cakeàö. No matter what you do you will always have people complaining.
Mainly because this is escapism from so many peoples daily life so they want it in a specific way so they can enjoy it more, but what a lot of them donÆt realise is that every change effects every other person differently. You changed nos, IÆm sure the people being nosed to death loved it, but the people who piloted nos-domiÆs etc. where a little stuck for what they do now.
The point IÆm trying to make is donÆt take any of the crap some of the subscribers are giving you, you are doing a great job and well I look forward to seeing what
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.13 11:53:00 -
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The words are so touching that they made me cried. 
I do agree with you though so God bless CCP. 
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Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng.
I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
Kimiko Kurosawa
The Krugerrand Groupies
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Posted - 2007.10.13 11:57:00 -
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I agree with OP. Seems to be a lot of moany, grumpy people about today.
Complaining about windows of all things. Windows!!
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El'basin
Amarr
The New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.10.13 13:00:00 -
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I agree with OP, I for one think that the new graphics looks really good and Im really looking forward to see more of it. Keep supplying us with great stuff CCP.
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.13 13:05:00 -
[5]
/signed 
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(combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom. |
Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:12:00 -
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rather than posting a new topic to spam, I thought I would share my love for CCP again on such a joyous day. Even though I haven't experienced Armageddon day you have to thank CCP for even extending the time and allowing usage. I just hope I can get a look in next year...
GO CCP!!
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Temp Boi
Gr0und Zer0
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Posted - 2007.10.16 23:17:00 -
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ucc ftl
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Sylvia Lafayette
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Posted - 2007.10.16 23:20:00 -
[8]
Three cheers for CCP!
HIP HIP!
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2007.10.16 23:26:00 -
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/signed
I truly believe that the whiners are just upset and are still EVE fans as they are still here , and I have complained once or twice in the past so technically I am a whiner too
big up to all of the hard working CCP staff
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.22 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 22/10/2007 11:28:19
Carrier Drone Reduction
CCP announced that they will be limiting the active amount of fighters a carrier can use to 5. This means that they can still assign fighters to people, but can only use 5 at a time. The forums appear to be in uproar, but I noticed Le Skunk standing strong. Heres the quote: -
 Originally by: Le Skunk
There are about a hundred people posting something along the lines of
"boo hoo hoo i trained for 8 months for a carrier and you nerfed it. Im leaving the game with my fifteen accounts as the carrier with only 5 drones is useless. That new dev is an idiot Wrangler save me"
Total overreaction, bandwagon stylee.
Makes me proud to see other people not jumping on the bandwagon, appreciating what CCP are trying to do. These people look further than trying to complain about ôWhy Cant I WIN!!! NERF IT!ö.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.22 11:51:00 -
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This gets the Tarminic seal of approval.
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Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2007.10.22 11:53:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 22/10/2007 11:28:19
Carrier Drone Reduction
CCP announced that they will be limiting the active amount of fighters a carrier can use to 5. This means that they can still assign fighters to people, but can only use 5 at a time. The forums appear to be in uproar, but I noticed Le Skunk standing strong. Heres the quote: -
Originally by: Le Skunk
There are about a hundred people posting something along the lines of
"boo hoo hoo i trained for 8 months for a carrier and you nerfed it. Im leaving the game with my fifteen accounts as the carrier with only 5 drones is useless. That new dev is an idiot Wrangler save me"
Total overreaction, bandwagon stylee.
Makes me proud to see other people not jumping on the bandwagon, appreciating what CCP are trying to do. These people look further than trying to complain about ôWhy Cant I WIN!!! NERF IT!ö.
Those two aren't mutually exclusive. I see CCP's intent with this, and I even agree with it, but the fact is, I wouldn't have trained for a carrier if they worked with only 5 fighters at a time to begin with. If I had the choice, I'd go with the change, and get my carrier-related skillpoints invested in something else.
Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
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Deeeva
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Posted - 2007.10.22 11:59:00 -
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CCP deal with so much crud on here at times, about time we gave them some love aswell :-)
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Gal'tashec
Gallente
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2007.10.22 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 22/10/2007 11:28:19
Carrier Drone Reduction
CCP announced that they will be limiting the active amount of fighters a carrier can use to 5. This means that they can still assign fighters to people, but can only use 5 at a time. The forums appear to be in uproar, but I noticed Le Skunk standing strong. Heres the quote: -
Originally by: Le Skunk
There are about a hundred people posting something along the lines of
"boo hoo hoo i trained for 8 months for a carrier and you nerfed it. Im leaving the game with my fifteen accounts as the carrier with only 5 drones is useless. That new dev is an idiot Wrangler save me"
Total overreaction, bandwagon stylee.
Makes me proud to see other people not jumping on the bandwagon, appreciating what CCP are trying to do. These people look further than trying to complain about ôWhy Cant I WIN!!! NERF IT!ö.
Could we please stay to facts? CCP did not announce anything what so ever abour reducing the number of active drones/fighters by carriers & motherships. They clearly said that they had an idea for a change and that they wanted the communities feedback. Infact they were explicitly clear on it not being a decision but an idea. Reposting it as a decided fact just adds to the flame wars we dont need nor want.
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Molly Neuro
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Posted - 2007.10.22 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gal'tashec
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 22/10/2007 11:28:19
Carrier Drone Reduction
CCP announced that they will be limiting the active amount of fighters a carrier can use to 5. This means that they can still assign fighters to people, but can only use 5 at a time. The forums appear to be in uproar, but I noticed Le Skunk standing strong. Heres the quote: -
Originally by: Le Skunk
There are about a hundred people posting something along the lines of
"boo hoo hoo i trained for 8 months for a carrier and you nerfed it. Im leaving the game with my fifteen accounts as the carrier with only 5 drones is useless. That new dev is an idiot Wrangler save me"
Total overreaction, bandwagon stylee.
Makes me proud to see other people not jumping on the bandwagon, appreciating what CCP are trying to do. These people look further than trying to complain about ôWhy Cant I WIN!!! NERF IT!ö.
Could we please stay to facts? CCP did not announce anything what so ever abour reducing the number of active drones/fighters by carriers & motherships. They clearly said that they had an idea for a change and that they wanted the communities feedback. Infact they were explicitly clear on it not being a decision but an idea. Reposting it as a decided fact just adds to the flame wars we dont need nor want.
Unfortunately with CCP ideas--->>> implementing is often the same thing with a very rare minor tweak based on feedback.
btw is the OP an employee doing some astroturfing or just generally nice to everyone for any reason ;)
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Kiqui
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Posted - 2007.10.22 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Molly Neuro
Unfortunately with CCP ideas--->>> implementing is often the same thing with a very rare minor tweak based on feedback.
btw is the OP an employee doing some astroturfing or just generally nice to everyone for any reason ;)
"Minor tweak", like, say, the entire Khanid change?
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Molly Neuro
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Posted - 2007.10.22 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kiqui
Originally by: Molly Neuro
Unfortunately with CCP ideas--->>> implementing is often the same thing with a very rare minor tweak based on feedback.
btw is the OP an employee doing some astroturfing or just generally nice to everyone for any reason ;)
"Minor tweak", like, say, the entire Khanid change?
that wasn't a CCP idea.
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The Fates
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.10.22 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gal'tashec
They clearly said that they had an idea for a change
Yer not frum around here, is ya?
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TomParad0x
Caldari
Silver Snake Enterprise
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.22 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 16/10/2007 22:26:55
Armageddon day 2007
From what I see, today was suppose to be a day of fun where the EVE Community had the chance to leave the grinde for a while and jump onto SISI with every skill and ship you could imagine. For many this was the case, butfor others, work, lag, queues , and banns stope dthem from participating. CCP has done a brilliant job handling the spam and abuse hurled at them from rowdy subscribers. Again I would like to drop a note of my appreciation. Thanks guys doing a great job!
I agree with you: CCP are doing a great job, however I would like to correct something:
Armageddon day was a day meant for them to do stress tests, mainly on the proxy servers if I recall. To do this they needed a way to get people to participate, so they had Armageddon day so they could get as many people as they can. While it was fun for many members of the EVE community, its primary reason was not that.
But yes, CCP is doing a great job, and I cant wait to see the new graphics updates.
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Unvisibility
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Posted - 2007.10.22 14:50:00 -
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CCP are good at some things.
They're also VERY VERY bad at many things including:
Bug fixes. Bugs exist for *years* before being fixed.
Keeping promises and schedules. Factional warfare anyone?
Fully considering implications of ideas, nerfs, changes. No need to elaborate here.
Personally it's the repeated and prolonged failure to fix old, old, OLD bugs that ticks me off the most. Fed up to the back teeth of hearing how bug fix teams and content teams are separate people - FFS employ more bug fixers and sack a few content devs then! Sheesh.
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.10.22 15:50:00 -
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/NOT signed.
CCP is messing with the very reason I've stayed with Eve for 3 years: Carriers. I'm not going to give any Congradlations or Thanks for anything they've have done/will do as long as they are proposing destroying the one thing in the game I've trained for. Sorry, but this hits too hard in my own backyard.
No negoations or discussion till CCP removes the Sword of Damoclese hanging over Carrier pilot heads!
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Shopping Kart
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Posted - 2007.10.22 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 22/10/2007 11:28:19
Carrier Drone Reduction
CCP announced that they will be limiting the active amount of fighters a carrier can use to 5. This means that they can still assign fighters to people, but can only use 5 at a time. The forums appear to be in uproar, but I noticed Le Skunk standing strong. Heres the quote: -
Originally by: Le Skunk
There are about a hundred people posting something along the lines of
"boo hoo hoo i trained for 8 months for a carrier and you nerfed it. Im leaving the game with my fifteen accounts as the carrier with only 5 drones is useless. That new dev is an idiot Wrangler save me"
Total overreaction, bandwagon stylee.
Makes me proud to see other people not jumping on the bandwagon, appreciating what CCP are trying to do. These people look further than trying to complain about ôWhy Cant I WIN!!! NERF IT!ö.
Hey Fanboy/Moron, let me explain something to you. With this nerf a carrier becomes a dominix-lite with a corp hanger and the ability to cost isk to move.
IF Eve was a lag-free envirnoment maybe I could get behind SOME of the proposed changes. But, Eve will never be lag free.
To CCP: Wha the **** is the point of a mothership now? It must be the uber clone bay! By the way, mine some data and see how often they are used (capital clone bays). How about you actually fix shi5t that dont work and leave the rest alone.
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Or'Chan
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.10.22 16:16:00 -
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/signed.
We need more threads like this
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Evil Scientist
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Posted - 2007.10.22 17:00:00 -
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Though i generaly agree with ccp i dont with the carrier drone issue mainly bc of the amount of time and money ppl have invested in it. Its 1 thing to nerf a module its something else to nerf a ship and especially a capital ship.
I myself have on my main around 12 million sp that has been trained just for the carrier.. If i knew from the start that i would get a ship that could only handle 5 fighters and no weapons i would never have spent all that time training nor all the isk on skills and the ship.
If the problem is so big then by all means change it but since it have such a big impact on time ppl have spent training they should offer a skill reposition program, i know i would use it :)
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:01:00 -
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Bitter-Sweet-EVE Online
Lets take a look at this for a moment, the current situation with EVE, and flavour of the months is: -
-CCP are killing EVE online
-They keep ænerfingÆ things that donÆt need to be changed
-Why is this game becoming such a grind for ISK, Reward, Ships and Supremacy
Has any one stopped and looked at the things being nerfed at the moment, or in the past for that matter? After doing so has any one looked at the whines that preceded the nerfs? My point is it is not CCP that is ruining the game. All flames aside, no offences meant, it is you, the loyal member base.
For lack of a better word, your æWhine CloakÆ comes out BEFORE the nerfing takes place. If you look CCP are just doing there job to keep their member base happy, doing what they do best responding to the complaints to their paying customers. As a result the very thing that is making this game so unique and playable (The fact the Developers listen), is what is ruining the game.
For example: -
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Lets take 3 groups of different types of EVE online player: -
Group A û The ôNatural Born Winnersö. A small group of players who find fits that are not in the factory manual. They will revolutionise the form of combat, mining, salvaging or any other aspect of the game to there favour by ôThinking out side of the boxö
Group B û The ôEasily Swayedö. The people who will support and try something that is good that will help them work. These are generally the Masses of EVE Online made up of new and old players alike.
Group C û The ôSquaresö. The general majority of EVE Online player who will do things by the book. They sat through the old 7 hour tutorial who think mining is the only way to make money, until they get bored and do what ever next it said to do. Or will generally wonder around EVE with less that 50 Million ISK in there pocket because they find it hard to make money in what ever role they choose but will never understand how people can make money faster or in more quantity than them. They are also determined not to adapt.
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Now that we have the groups hereÆs the summary of what will happen: -
- Group A finds something new that gives an advantage in game (i.e. Nos-Domi/Myrm, Nano-Phoon, Blaster-Thron/Trix/Rax, Passive-Drake).
- Group A experiments with the new find and kills a lot of Group B/C.
- Group B adopts Group As fitting and starts to gain equal supremacy.
- Group C see that they do not stand a chance and are reluctant to change game play tactics. They start to whine on the forum.
- Group C spend months persistently whingeing until they get recognising from the developers who now think there is a problem with the game.
- After months of analysing the game logs and complaints they change the game.
That is what happens, look over old forum post if you like, go to EVE Search and look up Overpowered and see the content that comes up, 1300+ pages when I looked.
So again guys, as I have previously mentioned ôIÆm not jumping aboard the bandwagon express to whinesvile!ö. I would please request that you donÆt either because thatÆs what is ruining the game for everyone, you demand Developer intervention so they come. Do you think they would change the game so much if you didnÆt request it? I will leave you with that thought.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:07:00 -
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I wholly support this thread and it's message.
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sapanda1102222
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:22:00 -
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Edited by: sapanda1102222 on 09/11/2007 01:23:12
It is clear that you were never wronged. Lots of people still think a certain german dictator was a wonderful guy and they are mostly those that believe they were unaffected by his evil ideas.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: sapanda1102222
It is clear that you were never wronged. Lots of people still think ****** was a wonderful guy today, mostly those that believe they were unaffected by his evil ideas.
Godwin's Law, Auto-fail 
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:26:00 -
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Please donÆt tell me your are comparing CCP to him...
And he improved the German economy for a time until it imploded in his face because he lost the battle of Brittan.
CCP have done you all no wrong and try to make the game better for you all, but all they get seems to be insults and snotty nosed remarks like that spoilt child in a candy store. All I ask is that you show them some respect and think about your actions in and out of game and how it changes it for the rest of the game.
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sapanda1102222
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian
All I ask is that you show them some respect and think about your actions in and out of game and how it effects the rest of the playerbase.
If I am to show respect then I demand respect. Not answering an important and properly labeled petition for over 72 hours is clear lack of respect. Answering another petition of the same nature with the words to wait for the queue in 5 minutes only underlines the disrespect.
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: sapanda1102222
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: sapanda1102222
It is clear that you were never wronged. Lots of people still think ****** was a wonderful guy today, mostly those that believe they were unaffected by his evil ideas.
Godwin's Law, Auto-fail
This has nothing to do with likenesses to him and everything to do with those thinking the total opposite of the truth or in other words thinking something is great because they have not felt the bad sides of it.
I my self am black, from what your saying I should say the slave trade was a good think because I didn't feel the pain of my ancestors. It was a terrible wrong of that time.
But I will tell you it was a good thing though many choose to only think of the bad. Picture this a world with out America, Canada, Australia, South Africa, India, the Caribbean, plus all of the other parts of the British Empire. With out it they would not be there in their current state.
But we are going off topic. The main topic here is shielding CCP's name from the constant scrutiny of its player base through its own selfish attitude towards the game. |
Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:36:00 -
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considering the ass you have made of yourself on the forums, I'm not suprised they are ignoring you
but just to be sure, pics or it didn't happen
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44
*EDIT* You know what, Tortun has this one under control...*
*Basks in the chaos of this thread |
Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:38:00 -
[33]
Originally by: sapanda1102222
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: sapanda1102222
It is clear that you were never wronged. Lots of people still think ****** was a wonderful guy today, mostly those that believe they were unaffected by his evil ideas.
Godwin's Law, Auto-fail
This has nothing to do with likenesses to him and everything to do with those thinking the total opposite of the truth or in other words thinking something is great because they have not felt the bad sides of it.
Thus you are comparing CCP to ******, by saying that CCP's actions are comparable to ******'s actions and Germany's non-jewish population is being compared to the EVE population not affected by the nerf. Still auto-fail.
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:38:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 09/11/2007 01:39:19
Originally by: sapanda1102222
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
All I ask is that you show them some respect and think about your actions in and out of game and how it effects the rest of the playerbase.
If I am to show respect then I demand respect. Not answering an important and properly labeled petition for over 72 hours is clear lack of respect. Answering another petition of the same nature with the words to wait for the queue in 5 minutes only underlines the disrespect.
This is my point, are you forgetting how ever many other thousand people are in the game as well as you. Compassion to the GMs for actually answering it.
Picture when the servers go down how the forums are jam packed with angry subscribers wanting answers, thats the day in the life of a GM that we can actually see.
How many times would you thank CCP for reimbursing your ship, ISK ect
How many times would you whine if you didn't get it. Thats what you need to be thinking about. |
sapanda1102222
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:40:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
considering the ass you have made of yourself on the forums, I'm not suprised they are ignoring you
but just to be sure, pics or it didn't happen
You are a troll.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:40:00 -
[36]
WELL D'UH 
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44
*EDIT* You know what, Tortun has this one under control...*
*Basks in the chaos of this thread |
sapanda1102222
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:41:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 09/11/2007 01:39:19
Originally by: sapanda1102222
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
All I ask is that you show them some respect and think about your actions in and out of game and how it effects the rest of the playerbase.
If I am to show respect then I demand respect. Not answering an important and properly labeled petition for over 72 hours is clear lack of respect. Answering another petition of the same nature with the words to wait for the queue in 5 minutes only underlines the disrespect.
This is my point, are you forgetting how ever many other thousand people are in the game as well as you. Compassion to the GMs for actually answering it.
Picture when the servers go down how the forums are jam packed with angry subscribers wanting answers, thats the day in the life of a GM that we can actually see.
How many times would you thank CCP for reimbursing your ship, ISK ect
How many times would you whine if you didn't get it. Thats what you need to be thinking about.
How can some petitions be answered in 15 minutes and others not answered for 72 hours. If you don't see a problem with this then I have nothing more to say to you.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: sapanda1102222
How can some petitions be answered in 15 minutes and others not answered for 72 hours. If you don't see a problem with this then I have nothing more to say to you.
I'd say billing/stuck petitions are a bit more important than reimbursement petitions, wouldn't you? They have multiple queues depending on the priority of the petition.
Look dude, I'm sorry that CCP hasn't properly powdered your ass or replaced your CNR yet, but if you think coming here and making an ass of yourself on the forums is going to help, you're deranged.
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sapanda1102222
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:44:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: sapanda1102222
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: sapanda1102222
It is clear that you were never wronged. Lots of people still think ****** was a wonderful guy today, mostly those that believe they were unaffected by his evil ideas.
Godwin's Law, Auto-fail
This has nothing to do with likenesses to him and everything to do with those thinking the total opposite of the truth or in other words thinking something is great because they have not felt the bad sides of it.
Thus you are comparing CCP to ******, by saying that CCP's actions are comparable to ******'s actions and Germany's non-jewish population is being compared to the EVE population not affected by the nerf. Still auto-fail.
Maybe in your limited understanding I am. What I am actually comparing is the peoples reactions and simply giving two extremes. I could have said that those people who did not get e coli in their broccoli last week can not possibly understand why those who did are suing the store. Is that better for you? I'll go edit all my posts and you can do the same if you feel that this is a better comparison to the unaffected players reactions.
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:45:00 -
[40]
Originally by: sapanda1102222
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 09/11/2007 01:39:19
Originally by: sapanda1102222
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
All I ask is that you show them some respect and think about your actions in and out of game and how it effects the rest of the playerbase.
If I am to show respect then I demand respect. Not answering an important and properly labeled petition for over 72 hours is clear lack of respect. Answering another petition of the same nature with the words to wait for the queue in 5 minutes only underlines the disrespect.
This is my point, are you forgetting how ever many other thousand people are in the game as well as you. Compassion to the GMs for actually answering it.
Picture when the servers go down how the forums are jam packed with angry subscribers wanting answers, thats the day in the life of a GM that we can actually see.
How many times would you thank CCP for reimbursing your ship, ISK ect
How many times would you whine if you didn't get it. Thats what you need to be thinking about.
How can some petitions be answered in 15 minutes and others not answered for 72 hours. If you don't see a problem with this then I have nothing more to say to you.
At what point did I say there was nothing wrong with it, I simply suggested rather than whining have some compassion to the GM for even answering it.
The only way I can depict this to you so you can see what I mean.
Example: -
You walk into a shop on a Saturday afternoon on the highstreet, and there is no one to serve you, all the clerks are busy. You take it upon yourself to stamp your foot and make a seen because you want you Buzzlightyear action figure NOW!
All I'm saying is to just have some understanding that they may be busy, no one to see to your petition.
I have waited 3 weeks to get reimbursed for my Navy Raven on a bug on a mission that allowed them to attack at 7AU. You can search the forums I did not make a whine about it. |
sapanda1102222
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:46:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: sapanda1102222
How can some petitions be answered in 15 minutes and others not answered for 72 hours. If you don't see a problem with this then I have nothing more to say to you.
I'd say billing/stuck petitions are a bit more important than reimbursement petitions, wouldn't you? They have multiple queues depending on the priority of the petition.
That is ironic. This is a billing issue and an account issue. It should be near the top of the queue. There are players that get reimbursement petitions for frigates answered faster.
Quote:
Look dude, I'm sorry that CCP hasn't properly powdered your ass or replaced your CNR yet, but if you think coming here and making an ass of yourself on the forums is going to help, you're deranged.
I'm not bein an arse. I'm sorry if you believe that I think posting my thoughts on the forums would somehow resolve a petition issue. You must be deranged.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:48:00 -
[42]
Originally by: sapanda1102222
That is ironic. This is a billing issue and an account issue. It should be near the top of the queue. There are players that get reimbursement petitions for frigates answered faster.
And your ranting on the forum isn't going to make it take any longer. Have you try e-mailing kieron, the community manager? I'd say that doing that is infinitely more productive than whining on the forums.
Quote:
I'm not bein an arse. I'm sorry if you believe that I think posting my thoughts on the forums would somehow resolve a petition issue. You must be deranged.
You're not posting your ideas - that implies a reasonable perspective made without allowing your emotions to taint the tone of your post. This is clearly not the case, you're ranting.
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sapanda1102222
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:49:00 -
[43]
Edited by: sapanda1102222 on 09/11/2007 01:48:56
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
At what point did I say there was nothing wrong with it, I simply suggested rather than whining have some compassion to the GM for even answering it.
The only way I can depict this to you so you can see what I mean.
Example: -
You walk into a shop on a Saturday afternoon on the highstreet, and there is no one to serve you, all the clerks are busy. You take it upon yourself to stamp your foot and make a seen because you want you Buzzlightyear action figure NOW!
All I'm saying is to just have some understanding that they may be busy, no one to see to your petition.
I have waited 3 weeks to get reimbursed for my Navy Raven on a bug on a mission that allowed them to attack at 7AU. You can search the forums I did not make a whine about it.
Did you eventually get an appropriate reimbursement? My issue gets even more complicated every day I don't get an answer. You losing a ship means you could still have borrowed from a trusting friend and went and done something else in the game you payed for. In my situation I can not do anything except post here so here I am.
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sapanda1102222
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:51:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: sapanda1102222
That is ironic. This is a billing issue and an account issue. It should be near the top of the queue. There are players that get reimbursement petitions for frigates answered faster.
And your ranting on the forum isn't going to make it take any longer. Have you try e-mailing kieron, the community manager? I'd say that doing that is infinitely more productive than whining on the forums.
This is hilarious. That is the first thing I did after waiting 36 hours. Quote:
Quote:
I'm not bein an arse. I'm sorry if you believe that I think posting my thoughts on the forums would somehow resolve a petition issue. You must be deranged.
You're not posting your ideas - that implies a reasonable perspective made without allowing your emotions to taint the tone of your post. This is clearly not the case, you're ranting.
I said thoughts. Ideas would imply I were giving some sort of solution. I am describing my situation so all know such situations exist.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:56:00 -
[45]
Because everyone knows, the guy that got banned obviously has a legitimate whine!
You have nothing better to do that **** around the boards and whine because you can't log in to cheat
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44
*EDIT* You know what, Tortun has this one under control...*
*Basks in the chaos of this thread |
Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.11.09 01:59:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Other Suscribers That Care!
> Tarminic
> Bimjo
> Betrenth
> Le Skunk
> Angela Toren
> Benilopax
LOL!
Ive been outed as a fanboi.
SKUNK
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.09 02:00:00 -
[47]
oddly I haven't?
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44
*EDIT* You know what, Tortun has this one under control...*
*Basks in the chaos of this thread |
Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.09 02:02:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
oddly I haven't?
Find me a quote I will add you.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.09 02:08:00 -
[49]
I've got millions! what kind do you want exactly? 
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44
*EDIT* You know what, Tortun has this one under control...*
*Basks in the chaos of this thread |
Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.09 02:15:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
I've got millions! what kind do you want exactly?
Showing that you care about EVE and support CCP rationally....
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sapanda1102222
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Posted - 2007.11.09 02:16:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
I've got millions! what kind do you want exactly?
Showing that you care about EVE and support CCP rationally....
I support CCP rationally.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.09 02:17:00 -
[52]
pssh rationally
never mind then 
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44
*EDIT* You know what, Tortun has this one under control...*
*Basks in the chaos of this thread |
Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.09 02:20:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 09/11/2007 02:21:04
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 09/11/2007 02:20:44
Originally by: sapanda1102222
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
I've got millions! what kind do you want exactly?
Showing that you care about EVE and support CCP rationally....
I support CCP rationally.
No troll intended, but you didn't seem to earlier, you seemed to only see it from you point of view, not taking into consideration the other players and the over worked GM Dev force.
EDIT: Going out for a midnight stroll/smoke, lets just hope the river hasn't flooded yet...
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sapanda1102222
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Posted - 2007.11.09 02:47:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 09/11/2007 02:21:04
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 09/11/2007 02:20:44
Originally by: sapanda1102222
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
I've got millions! what kind do you want exactly?
Showing that you care about EVE and support CCP rationally....
I support CCP rationally.
No troll intended, but you didn't seem to earlier, you seemed to only see it from you point of view, not taking into consideration the other players and the over worked GM Dev force.
EDIT: Going out for a midnight stroll/smoke, lets just hope the river hasn't flooded yet...
Did you read the part about having a response within 15 minutes telling me not to make multiple petitions? Explain that. The solution to my problem takes as long as it does to close a petition give or take a few seconds.
I have no qualms with CCP about the game itself and thats the number one reason for me even posting. I will not roll over and thank CCP once my issue resolves itself a week later.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.09 02:52:00 -
[55]
Originally by: sapanda1102222
The GMs arent interested in dealing fairly with harassment accusations and ignore you when you prove to them that there wasn't any. Why should we help newbs? The game deserves to die if the GMs don't attempt to fix their mistakes.
source
I was SO waiting for that opportunity 
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44
*EDIT* You know what, Tortun has this one under control...*
*Basks in the chaos of this thread |
Ariel Darklight
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.11.09 20:23:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Ariel Darklight on 09/11/2007 20:23:27
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Bitter-Sweet-EVE Online
Lets take a look at this for a moment, the current situation with EVE, and flavour of the months is: -
-CCP are killing EVE online
-They keep ænerfingÆ things that donÆt need to be changed
-Why is this game becoming such a grind for ISK, Reward, Ships and Supremacy
Has any one stopped and looked at the things being nerfed at the moment, or in the past for that matter? After doing so has any one looked at the whines that preceded the nerfs? My point is it is not CCP that is ruining the game. All flames aside, no offences meant, it is you, the loyal member base.
For lack of a better word, your æWhine CloakÆ comes out BEFORE the nerfing takes place. If you look CCP are just doing there job to keep their member base happy, doing what they do best responding to the complaints to their paying customers. As a result the very thing that is making this game so unique and playable (The fact the Developers listen), is what is ruining the game.
For example: -
----
Lets take 3 groups of different types of EVE online player: -
Group A û The ôNatural Born Winnersö. A small group of players who find fits that are not in the factory manual. They will revolutionise the form of combat, mining, salvaging or any other aspect of the game to there favour by ôThinking out side of the boxö
Group B û The ôEasily Swayedö. The people who will support and try something that is good that will help them work. These are generally the Masses of EVE Online made up of new and old players alike.
Group C û The ôSquaresö. The general majority of EVE Online player who will do things by the book. They sat through the old 7 hour tutorial who think mining is the only way to make money, until they get bored and do what ever next it said to do. Or will generally wonder around EVE with less that 50 Million ISK in there pocket because they find it hard to make money in what ever role they choose but will never understand how people can make money faster or in more quantity than them. They are also determined not to adapt.
----
Now that we have the groups hereÆs the summary of what will happen: -
- Group A finds something new that gives an advantage in game (i.e. Nos-Domi/Myrm, Nano-Phoon, Blaster-Thron/Trix/Rax, Passive-Drake).
- Group A experiments with the new find and kills a lot of Group B/C.
- Group B adopts Group As fitting and starts to gain equal supremacy.
- Group C see that they do not stand a chance and are reluctant to change game play tactics. They start to whine on the forum.
- Group C spend months persistently whingeing until they get recognising from the developers who now think there is a problem with the game.
- After months of analysing the game logs and complaints they change the game.
That is what happens, look over old forum post if you like, go to EVE Search and look up Overpowered and see the content that comes up, 1300+ pages when I looked.
So again guys, as I have previously mentioned ôIÆm not jumping aboard the bandwagon express to whinesvile!ö. I would please request that you donÆt either because thatÆs what is ruining the game for everyone, you demand Developer intervention so they come. Do you think they would change the game so much if you didnÆt request it? I will leave you with that thought.
One of the more accurate posts on the evolution of eve.
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.21 00:26:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 21/11/2007 00:30:19
The Countdown to Trinity
If none of you have seen the amazing EYE Candy that our beloved DEV Team have sent us, click here now! If youÆre not excited and havenÆt used tissues to mop up the mess yet, after seeing the clarity and detail on those ships you will be.
Unconfirmed, but I have heard rumours of the release being 27th November 2007. That is not long away, and if your anything like me you will be anxiously awaiting to see how some of your ships will turn out. IÆm not just talking about some of the trademark ships like the Rifter, Incursus or the mighty Megathron. IÆm talking about the fantabulous (IÆm Not ***) faction/pirate/tech 2 versions of the ships.
I would also like to take this moment to wish CCP luck with the deployment. You have been good so far sticking to your server uptimes, even re-opening earlier which is always a bonus. Lets hope you can keep it up and have another smooth deployment to add to your repertoire.
Three Cheers, fittingly for Trinity
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Felysta Sandorn
Caldari
System-Lords
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.11.21 01:28:00 -
[58]
What about my Amarr thread?
Latest Video, Click Here!
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2007.11.21 02:44:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
And he improved the German economy for a time until it imploded in his face because he lost the battle of Brittan. You forget the fact that for those years of war he also united the entire world to combat his wrongs. He wasn't a bad person just was miss guided and did wrong things one of them being genocide.
Please read that sentence again and tell me you are not an idiot. Trivilization of genocide 4tl. You should be nerfed.
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2007.11.21 03:06:00 -
[60]
Nice post +1
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adriaans
Amarr
Advanced Capital Ship Designs
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Posted - 2007.11.21 03:14:00 -
[61]
/signed
and btw, just because not everyone including me creates a thread saying thank you, doesn't mean we don't care/appreciate, because we do
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.21 07:52:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 21/11/2007 07:54:24
Originally by: Wu Jiun
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
And he improved the German economy for a time until it imploded in his face because he lost the battle of Brittan. You forget the fact that for those years of war he also united the entire world to combat his wrongs. He wasn't a bad person just was miss guided and did wrong things one of them being genocide.
Please read that sentence again and tell me you are not an idiot. Trivilization of genocide 4tl. You should be nerfed.
No sir, I am not an idiot, its called looking at things from another angle. At what point did I say that genocide is not a bad thing, and like a stroll in the park. You mean to tell me if a guy steals to feed his family and I say: -
'He was wrong to steal from the man in the shop'
-or-
'The man in the shop was wrong for giving him a good hiding'
But I can understand they are both not bad people, because the action does not inheritantly make the person bad, I am trivializing stealing and consequence becuase I am seeing both sides and saying that the people are not bad.
PS: If you read up that argument was resolved, please don't troll and bring it up. Please keep on topic.
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Moncada
Amarr
Damned Legion
Mournival Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.21 23:40:00 -
[63]
I agree with you. <3 CCP for actually pulling all thoose crazy stunts!
Montada
Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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LadyShu
Federation of Synthetic Persons
STYX.
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Posted - 2007.11.21 23:50:00 -
[64]
full ack!
and... i loved the nos nerf now nerf neutz
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LathanRiose Devers
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Posted - 2007.11.22 00:11:00 -
[65]
EVE players hating CCP is an oxymoron. If you hate CCP, yet pay them money to play their game, you're a loser.
I think this does need to be said, since the negative crybabies seem to spread their s**t around the forums far more than anyone else, but I think CCP knows we like them really because subscriptions are going up, the game is doing well financially, and 99.9% of the players don't post whines on the forums. They probably laugh at half the crap here during their lunch break.
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Claska
Amarr
XxTiggerxX Corp
SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2007.11.22 01:42:00 -
[66]
I pretty much agree with whats been said in this thread (the positive things i mean), but there is one thing that irks me. Why i it, CPP has to nerf? take the Myrm for example.
I have to admit, compared to the other t2 BC it was outdoing them, but my thoughts were simply, why nerf the myrm? why not instead buff the other ships inline?
Take the Game Team fortress 2 as another example. Each class has its own advantages and disadvantages, but there all insanely powered. Spy's are completely invisible when cloaked and can kill in one hit, heavies can mow down most enemies in seconds. What makes it fair is that All the classes are overpowered, thus they work, are balanced and don't overshadow each other.
The other advantage to buffing the strengths of something is that it makes it pull away from other things in the same class in the sense of; that ship is powerful with drones and amour tank, that ship is powerful with Arty and using speed.It makes each ship more unique, after all why would a drone ship be able to out do a turret ship in a turret shooting contest? But if the drone ship was using drones its an even match.
Still despite that i think CPP have done a wonderful job and hope to continue doing so, after all how many of us would still be here if they didn't? That and the fact that Subs is still increasing.
I also want to say i am looking forward to Ambulation.
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Karanth
Gallente
Crazy 88's
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Posted - 2007.11.22 03:22:00 -
[67]
I made an "I love CCP" thread once. I think it was Wrangler who pwned it for not being a discussion.
All that's left...
There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer.
Well, there's not many of *us* left! -Rauth
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zoltar
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Posted - 2007.11.22 04:07:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Bitter-Sweet-EVE Online
Lets take a look at this for a moment, the current situation with EVE, and flavour of the months is: -
-CCP are killing EVE online
-They keep ænerfingÆ things that donÆt need to be changed
-Why is this game becoming such a grind for ISK, Reward, Ships and Supremacy
Has any one stopped and looked at the things being nerfed at the moment, or in the past for that matter? After doing so has any one looked at the whines that preceded the nerfs? My point is it is not CCP that is ruining the game. All flames aside, no offences meant, it is you, the loyal member base.
For lack of a better word, your æWhine CloakÆ comes out BEFORE the nerfing takes place. If you look CCP are just doing there job to keep their member base happy, doing what they do best responding to the complaints to their paying customers. As a result the very thing that is making this game so unique and playable (The fact the Developers listen), is what is ruining the game.
For example: -
----
Lets take 3 groups of different types of EVE online player: -
Group A û The ôNatural Born Winnersö. A small group of players who find fits that are not in the factory manual. They will revolutionise the form of combat, mining, salvaging or any other aspect of the game to there favour by ôThinking out side of the boxö
Group B û The ôEasily Swayedö. The people who will support and try something that is good that will help them work. These are generally the Masses of EVE Online made up of new and old players alike.
Group C û The ôSquaresö. The general majority of EVE Online player who will do things by the book. They sat through the old 7 hour tutorial who think mining is the only way to make money, until they get bored and do what ever next it said to do. Or will generally wonder around EVE with less that 50 Million ISK in there pocket because they find it hard to make money in what ever role they choose but will never understand how people can make money faster or in more quantity than them. They are also determined not to adapt.
----
Now that we have the groups hereÆs the summary of what will happen: -
- Group A finds something new that gives an advantage in game (i.e. Nos-Domi/Myrm, Nano-Phoon, Blaster-Thron/Trix/Rax, Passive-Drake).
- Group A experiments with the new find and kills a lot of Group B/C.
- Group B adopts Group As fitting and starts to gain equal supremacy.
- Group C see that they do not stand a chance and are reluctant to change game play tactics. They start to whine on the forum.
- Group C spend months persistently whingeing until they get recognising from the developers who now think there is a problem with the game.
- After months of analysing the game logs and complaints they change the game.
That is what happens, look over old forum post if you like, go to EVE Search and look up Overpowered and see the content that comes up, 1300+ pages when I looked.
So again guys, as I have previously mentioned ôIÆm not jumping aboard the bandwagon express to whinesvile!ö. I would please request that you donÆt either because thatÆs what is ruining the game for everyone, you demand Developer intervention so they come. Do you think they would change the game so much if you didnÆt request it? I will leave you with that thought.
This
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.09 00:21:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 09/12/2007 00:26:18
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 09/12/2007 00:25:23
I have a present for you!
To all the people who love to whine about something killing EVE, would like the gamed changed for there personal benefit, or are just jumping on the whining band waggon, I would like to show you something. Next time you want to whine about the game being X or Y or to make it work in your favour. Remember this post: -
Your Present!
After seeing go back to WOW for the 35th Time today, I decided to carry out an investigation. This was the best link I could find. It shows someone on complaining about warriors and farming he has seen. Can you pick any similarities to that of the EON forum? If you guys carry on whining we will soon end up like that. Almost every other post was a whine on their forum about some one being better than them. Or those wanting the game changed to make them win.
It seems to me that the online world is made up of tiny pockets of clone universes, although the game play/content may be drastically different within each pocket, the people are the same making for a sour taste in your mouth if your not a sore loser. You have to put up with the spoilt brats complaining about how they want things their way. Well I say that in such harsh words because it is true, most of the community is apparently of the mature clientell with the youngest average age being early twenties, but its rapidly becoming a degenerative flurry of childish insults and demands.
I know a lot of our community hates WOW but think about it next time you want to whine, IÆm sure you donÆt want it to turn into a clone member base.
I fully endorse the phrase 'Go back to WOW!', but not in the context of: -
Go back to WOW!
Oh right, you lost your ship, you don't like it?! Do I look like I give a damn...Go back to WOW!
More in the form of: -
Go back to WOW!
ThatÆs where childish and naive whining is the ænormÆ, we don't tolerate that crap here, give some evidence to your whine and don't base it on personal bias.
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DE...You still ow me a 1V1
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SnakeByte86
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Posted - 2007.12.09 00:28:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
I have a present for you!
To all the people who love to whine about something killing EVE, would like the gamed changed for there personal benefit, or are just jumping on the whining band waggon, I would like to show you something. Next time you want to whine about the game being X or Y or to make it work in your favour. Remember this post: -
Your Present!
After seeing go back to WOW for the 35th Time today, I decided to carry out an investigation. This was the best link I could find. It shows someone on complaining about the amount of whines he has seen. Can you pick any similarities to that of the EON forum? If you guys carry on whining we will soon end up like that. Almost every other post was a whine on their forum about some one being better than them. Or those wanting the game changed to make them win.
It seems to me that the online world is made up of tiny pockets of clone universes, although the game play/content may be drastically different within each pocket, the people are the same making for a sour taste in your mouth if your not a sore loser. You have to put up with the spoilt brats complaining about how they want things their way. Well I say that in such harsh words because it is true, most of the community is apparently of the mature clientell with the youngest average age being early twenties, but its rapidly becoming a degenerative flurry of childish insults and demands.
I know a lot of our community hates WOW but think about it next time you want to whine, IÆm sure you donÆt want it to turn into a clone member base.
I fully endorse the phrase, but not in the context of, "Oh right, you lost your ship, you don't like it?! Do I look like I give a damn...Go back to WOW!", more in the form of: -
Go back to WOW!
ThatÆs where childish and naive whining is the ænormÆ, we don't tolerate that crap here, give some evidence to your whine and don't base it on personal bias.
We do not want the came changed for oour personal benifit. We want the game left alone, add new things, dont change old things, for a year now. Its nerf nos, sensor damp, tracking dis, all amarr ships, nerf vexor, nerf carrier, nerf haulers, nerf blockade runners,nerf sensor boosters. nerf nerf nerf.
We want the game to be left alone, you cant fix what is not broken. There was plenty of counters to all of those things above. PLENTY.
Some may have needed SMALL tweaks, but everything was done way overboard.
That is why we are mad, CCP obviously doesnt play the game, or they would know what they were doing. Eve is no longer a sand box with rock > Scissors > paper > rock.
Now its, do what we say, how we say it, oh and all ships are no equally useless. No diversity now in races or ships, all the same, damage, and tank. For everyone. No thought goes into setups anymore, no counters, just more damage or more tank.
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.09 00:34:00 -
[71]
so you mean to tell me the people who make a whine, with out giving reasons for the whine other than: -
"OMG I WANT MY CARRIER BACK IT HOW IT WAS"
or
"WTF NERF ALL THING GALLENTE THEY ARE OVER POWERED WITH DRONES"
make a valid argument? where's there evidence? wheres the point? do they justify a cuase to change and overhaul some thing because of that. Thats both sides to the the carrier nerf. It didn't only effect carriers, it effected all drone based ships. ANd you have to wonder WHY it got nerfed?
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Bitter-Sweet-EVE Online
Lets take 3 groups of different types of EVE online player: -
Group A û The ôNatural Born Winnersö. A small group of players who find fits that are not in the factory manual. They will revolutionise the form of combat, mining, salvaging or any other aspect of the game to there favour by ôThinking out side of the boxö
Group B û The ôEasily Swayedö. The people who will support and try something that is good that will help them work. These are generally the Masses of EVE Online made up of new and old players alike.
Group C û The ôSquaresö. The general majority of EVE Online player who will do things by the book. They sat through the old 7 hour tutorial who think mining is the only way to make money, until they get bored and do what ever next it said to do. Or will generally wonder around EVE with less that 50 Million ISK in there pocket because they find it hard to make money in what ever role they choose but will never understand how people can make money faster or in more quantity than them. They are also determined not to adapt.
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Now that we have the groups hereÆs the summary of what will happen: -
- Group A finds something new that gives an advantage in game (i.e. Nos-Domi/Myrm, Nano-Phoon, Blaster-Thron/Trix/Rax, Passive-Drake).
- Group A experiments with the new find and kills a lot of Group B/C.
- Group B adopts Group As fitting and starts to gain equal supremacy.
- Group C see that they do not stand a chance and are reluctant to change game play tactics. They start to whine on the forum.
- Group C spend months persistently whingeing until they get recognising from the developers who now think there is a problem with the game.
- After months of analysing the game logs and complaints they change the game.
Can be found here!
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.09 00:46:00 -
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zomg according to the title, this thread was last updated in the future! 
Originally by: Cecil Montague
They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Precurseur
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.13 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: SnakeByte86
We do not want the came changed for oour personal benifit. We want the game left alone, add new things, dont change old things, for a year now. Its nerf nos, sensor damp, tracking dis, all amarr ships, nerf vexor, nerf carrier, nerf haulers, nerf blockade runners,nerf sensor boosters. nerf nerf nerf.
We want the game to be left alone, you cant fix what is not broken. There was plenty of counters to all of those things above. PLENTY.
Some may have needed SMALL tweaks, but everything was done way overboard.
That is why we are mad, CCP obviously doesnt play the game, or they would know what they were doing. Eve is no longer a sand box with rock > Scissors > paper > rock.
Now its, do what we say, how we say it, oh and all ships are no equally useless. No diversity now in races or ships, all the same, damage, and tank. For everyone. No thought goes into setups anymore, no counters, just more damage or more tank.
Lets look at things from yet another angle shall we? Some of the "nerfing" has already happened for the very reasons stated in this post.
So if your existing ship setup has been "nerfed" - then experiement, find a new fitting. You could even be really really adventerous and try something *totally* different
Think outside the box, think for yourselves - don't become a "group C" player (see start of this post for explanation).
CCP will always get stick for actions or inactions, but they sure as hell listen a lot better than many others I've seen! So, the moral of the story is... "If it isn't broken, don't whine about it" - otherwise, it will get broken. Think of it as a self fulfilling prophecy!
To date, imo, CCP have done a great job. That fact that it can support so many people, online, in a single "place" is astounding in itself.
Vive le CCP!
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One that precedes and indicates, suggests, or announces someone or something to come
I love me, who do you love?
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flashfreaking
LFC
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.12.13 15:24:00 -
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/signed
I think ppl like the OP are one of the things to keep CCP going, and develop new content, even tough the forums consists of people saying how bad is, and what should be changed...
I'm happy with Eve, and I support any change, how negative it may look in the beginning.
Adapt or leave should be one of the keyphrases of Eve.
I salute you
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.07 03:11:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 07/01/2008 03:13:05
Cause for concern?
You have not heard from me for quite some time, my records show my last pro CCP update was not since 9th December 2007. I return to you but this time I feel quite upset, with the distinct feeling of betrayal. I deactivated both of my accounts towards the end of December because I had no money in my bank account and I was eating into my overdraft. I look at my bank statement for the end of December and start of January and I am shocked to see that I incurred 2 charges for 25 pounds. Because CCP charged bother of my accounts despite them being deactivated: -
1/3/2008 14.95 USD Recurring Payment for 1 Month EVE Subscription Paid
12/30/2007 FREE Recurring Payment for Vivox 30 Day Trial Paid
This payment put me over my overdraft limit resulting in two 25 pound charges; One for going over my limit; and one for initiating a payment with insufficient funds.
The questions I now pose to you are:-
- Is this a regular occurance?
- If so how could we avoid this problem?
- Should I be reimbursed for the charges I incurred because of CCPÆs folly?
- What is the explination for a deactivated account still being charged money?
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Selene Le'Cotiere
Amarr
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2008.01.07 03:42:00 -
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I full endorse this thread. Despite the ****ing and moaning that goes on with the growing pains, I honestly don't believe we would all still be here. I've very proud to call New Eden my internet home away from home.
*bow*
/signed
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Kelron Queldine
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.01.07 03:45:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 07/01/2008 03:13:05
Cause for concern?
You have not heard from me for quite some time, my records show my last pro CCP update was not since 9th December 2007. I return to you but this time I feel quite upset, with the distinct feeling of betrayal. I deactivated both of my accounts towards the end of December because I had no money in my bank account and I was eating into my overdraft. I look at my bank statement for the end of December and start of January and I am shocked to see that I incurred 2 charges for 25 pounds. Because CCP charged bother of my accounts despite them being deactivated: -
1/3/2008 14.95 USD Recurring Payment for 1 Month EVE Subscription Paid
12/30/2007 FREE Recurring Payment for Vivox 30 Day Trial Paid
This payment put me over my overdraft limit resulting in two 25 pound charges; One for going over my limit; and one for initiating a payment with insufficient funds.
The questions I now pose to you are:-
- Is this a regular occurance?
- If so how could we avoid this problem?
- Should I be reimbursed for the charges I incurred because of CCPÆs folly?
- What is the explination for a deactivated account still being charged money?
Happened to me before, petition and you should be reimbursed the subscription fees. I'd hope they also reimburse you for the bank fees.
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ZerKar
Caldari
Zen'Tar
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Posted - 2008.01.07 06:31:00 -
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I will start by saying I hope to their God that CCP does not listen to everything everyone says. If they did they would probably go crazy lol. I believe they have done better than a lot of people will acknowledge and expecting utter perfection the first time every time from CCP is awefuly foolish considering they are not machines and cannot be perfect. However, if one learns from mistakes and corrects them (the idea behind the patches) then all is well. Sometimes they also get into a rough situation where they have to decide (like a Governer of a State) rather the tragidy effecting one part of their World is bad enough to warrent the closing down of the entire World or if it should be dealt with ASAP and the World left running. Always a tough choice to make.
However, I would humbly suggest that CCP highly consider hiring a Strategist. Why should be fairly simple to understand. They have a war game, one that requires careful balance. The ships need to serve a function a percise role, the modules likewise need their niche. Measures and countermeasures, tactics and strategies, these things need to be addressed. Making some programmers do that is not very wise. I know the Devs would like to think they have a good handle on these things but while they may know code really well and even have a great deal of favorable creativity and imagination, I must admit that from all I have seen their Srategic Thinking is around Level 3 when it could use to be Level 5.
Besides, giving the actual Strategic Balancing act over to a specailist in the field and just having the Devs impliment those Balances would take some pressure off of their shoulders and let them focus their creativity on new better mechanics and features of EVE without miring them down in LOADS of Nefs and Boosts.
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I saw the Sign...!
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.03 10:12:00 -
[79]
New sheriff in town!
Its been a little while since my last post, but I post this time with a slightly more jovial theme. After the issues with my Billing I have decided to change bank accounts, it was not CCPs fault after all and they shouldnÆt reimburse me for anything. It is my bank account who have been milking me for cash for the past 2 years now, I am claiming it back, and closing the account tomorrow after opening a new account with a better back.
As for the reason for this update, I would like to say a big thank to CCP navigator who is doing an excellent job of cleaning up the forums. Every post I go to, all of the pointless and meaning less spam in GenDis has been edited out. I only started to see him on the forums from about a month or so back, and I have noticed a definite change in the content since he has been here, and its changed for the better. So This is my thanks for making the EON forums a better experience for the EON population!
Thanks CCP Navigator!
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente
LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.12 01:17:00 -
[80]
WARNING:This post was made why under the influence of alcoholà
Fork in the road?
I would like to thank CCP for creating such a game that is a microplasm of life that it bares consequence and responsibility like the real world. That is all, and to any CEOS out there who have a truly loyal member base I respect you with all of my soul and heart.
Most people would say the idea of having a second life is more than they can handle, but with EVE, this is the way of life that we have all come to know and love. I have made wealth, and a corporation, but with out loyalty, it is nothing. I am going to go sleep before I rant, goodnight new eden.
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Dramund
Amarr
Atonement Arms
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Posted - 2008.03.12 01:40:00 -
[81]
I did not know necromancers were "loving" drunks! :D
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DogSlime
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Posted - 2008.03.12 01:40:00 -
[82]
Hmmm...
We send a big "thank you" to CCP every month in the form of subscription fees.
So, a big "thank you" CCP for supplying the service we pay you for.
Great game (mostly), but why all the sycophantic grovelling from so many? They do this to make a profit! They do it for money! Do you get a thank-you when you hand over your money every month? It's a business, not a charity.
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