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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.02.23 20:43:00 -
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"this means steel rage can demand 1bil if he wants per item.. its nothign wrong in it, i dont see why ppl are *****ing and whining, if u dont wanna pay the price go buy at someone else.. or dont buy it at all"
... People are giving feedback to the price they are asked to pay. It's nothing strange, and shouldn't surprise someone as market-savvy as you pretend to be. In fact, it's probably something to welcome rather than ridicule.
And yeah, for every person who posted in 'tis thread pointing out the price is too high to them, there's probably 10-20 others who didn't even bother and who 'didn't buy it at all'. One can disregard it all as *****ing and whining, or they can ask tmeselves if it's really doing any good for their wallet, to miss that many potential deals. Up to them, really.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.23 22:37:00 -
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To make it easier I will trade a Tech 2 battleship with a mobile warp disruptor. This should release allot of pressure on allot of you who want it. Please repackage it when you trade. 
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Arti K
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Posted - 2004.02.23 22:55:00 -
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i think you mean tier 2 and not tech 2 :)
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.02.24 00:09:00 -
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this means steel rage can demand 1bil if he wants per item.. its nothign wrong in it...
...but there is something very stupid in it; namely that other people are going to be producing them for a lot less. Steelrage has, apparently got hold of a blueprint that could have earnt him a fortune, but by setting the price so high he's turned all the potential buyers away, so he's going to earn diddly squat.
Or at least, so the people posting here think. That they've taken the time and effort to post explaining their opinions shows they're concerned that Steelrage doesn't price himself out of business, and are trying to help him out.
Me, I just thought "the hell with that" and didn't bother buying any. Let him find out the hard way.
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2004.02.24 00:29:00 -
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These will never be THAT affordable because you can't make them in large quantity or find the supplies to build them. 
Id be happy to help out in your production shortfall. Would you care to part with a BP copy ?
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2004.02.24 00:36:00 -
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TomB > the cost to make a strong 40km radius warp disruptor are ~50 mill isk in mineral price alone
No other comment needed. 
In all fairness. that quote says "mineral price alone". Anyone whos built tech 2 items knows that most of them require insane amounts of tech2 components which are many times more expensive than the minerals involved. Case in point.. my corp has a stiletto BP but the damn things require about 5 mil worth of components each to build in addition to the minerals required.
That being said I think the original poster is smoking something thats illegal in most countries if he thinks hes going to sell many or any for 120 mil, at least not without posting a screenshot of the BP's manufacturing requirements. Id like to see the components and minerals required myself. If the price is not an insane price gouge, I might pick up a few.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.24 05:37:00 -
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Edited by: Steel Rage on 24/02/2004 05:51:05
Sigh. If you buy 2 that will bring the price down to 180 mil. I will also do special deals with battleships etc. I would just like to say that you guys paid for miner IIs and now you decide you want to bargain and the items do not even compare in manufacturing/material pain. I will take care of my customers. Anyone who buys from me now will always get a discount in the future.
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Hanns
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Posted - 2004.02.24 06:11:00 -
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Edited by: Hanns on 24/02/2004 06:20:12
Why donĘt you just make a fair price, instead of trying to rip people off, then this discussion would never have taken place!
Also everyone is assuming this is a tech 2 item? do we know for a fact? considering its called Mobile small warp disruptor I, not II
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.02.24 06:31:00 -
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If you are going to continue to claim that your price is jusitified because of "tricky manufacturing", give us *at least* a ball park of the mineral requirements. Otherwise regardless of whatever you say, no one will believe that you are not price gouging. This view can only be butressed by the fact that Tomb stated a ballpark mineral requirement for the large variety (at ~50 million) and that you have already lowered your prices below what you implied was a break even point.
My guess is that you are selling it at somewhere between 10-30 times manufacturing cost. For every 1 sale you are making at this price (assuming that has been 1), given the popularity of this itme, you will have missed out on probably 30-40 sales (if not far more) at 3-4 times manufacturing cost. As such, you are really just shooting yourself in the foot.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.24 06:36:00 -
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Edited by: Hanns on 24/02/2004 06:20:12
Why donĘt you just make a fair price, instead of trying to rip people off, then this discussion would never have taken place!
Also everyone is assuming this is a tech 2 item? do we know for a fact? considering its called Mobile small warp disruptor I, not II
I am getting customers and I am almost out of stock with the new pricing policy. You believe what you want to believe.
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2004.02.24 07:32:00 -
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Sell it to pirate hunters, and show the pricebears the finger =)
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2004.02.24 07:38:00 -
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This makes me want to pod all you nubs.
_this_ ?
I might be mistaken, but dont you guys pod everyone you can now ? Are you saying there are people you could pod wich you dont ?
Humm... orvolle yester day, big red blob, 25+ ships killed in a houer... "this makes me want to pod you noobs" LOL you are funny sir !!
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Fausto
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Posted - 2004.02.24 07:45:00 -
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Out of stock? Have you ever tried making some so you have them in stock? Man 100+ m for this junk?!? Its even worse then wlite frigs
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Dakkon Blackblade
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Posted - 2004.02.24 07:51:00 -
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Steel,
We all know you are trying to rip people off. This is a sound and very logical fact. Even with your "new" priceing plan its is still an obvious rip-off. I know it, you know it, and everybody with half a brain knows it. The biggest proof we have is the fact that you refuse to show us a pic of the mineral requirements, which is your biggest bargining chip. However no one should be laughing at Steel, he is not the fool here. In fact, he is most cunning in his marketing strategy. You can see how he, like a pirate, preys on the weak minded and foolish inhabitants of EVE. He is even spouting propaganda about his sales success to make you think his prices are 'fair'. So don't point your verbal slings and arrows at Steel, for he is not such a fool. Instead you should all laugh at anyone daft enough to purchase his product, for they are the truely foolish.
If the above is too wordy for you here is a simpler version:
Steel Rage = not so dumb, just doing what everybody else does with their new BPs.
Anyone who pays Steels prices(as they are now) = OMG Steel shafted you so good, you are the true fools, go to school and read up on economics. |
Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2004.02.24 08:37:00 -
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Steel,
We all know you are trying to rip people off. This is a sound and very logical fact. Even with your "new" priceing plan its is still an obvious rip-off. I know it, you know it, and everybody with half a brain knows it. The biggest proof we have is the fact that you refuse to show us a pic of the mineral requirements, which is your biggest bargining chip. However no one should be laughing at Steel, he is not the fool here. In fact, he is most cunning in his marketing strategy. You can see how he, like a pirate, preys on the weak minded and foolish inhabitants of EVE. He is even spouting propaganda about his sales success to make you think his prices are 'fair'. So don't point your verbal slings and arrows at Steel, for he is not such a fool. Instead you should all laugh at anyone daft enough to purchase his product, for they are the truely foolish.
If the above is too wordy for you here is a simpler version:
Steel Rage = not so dumb, just doing what everybody else does with their new BPs.
Anyone who pays Steels prices(as they are now) = OMG Steel shafted you so good, you are the true fools, go to school and read up on economics.
LOL a pirate with "Reverce Psychology" strategy.
Steel, everyone know that most of the ppl wanthing this is pirates. As they have stated them self. They have as much ISK they need EVER. I think you should push the price to around 200mil each. Dont let them push you around. Nor you or me, or the rest of the good fellows in various nations want to see this things at every pirate camp.
Besides, breaking up a pirate camp and blowing up there priceless warp disruptor will be the ultimate laugh for us.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.02.24 09:37:00 -
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Funny thing is that I and my mates would have bought many units if the price was reasonable.
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2004.02.24 10:50:00 -
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Funny thing is that I and my mates would have bought many units if the price was reasonable.
We are all verry glad you did not. Thats one more reason to not lower the price steel. *winks*
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Maximus Destructor
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Posted - 2004.02.24 19:30:00 -
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I will take 4 for 350M please Steel Rage, please convo me in game if agreeable, and if you have even produced that many. I suspect production and requirements are insane.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.02.24 20:15:00 -
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Steel
I would like to suggest picking one Alliance and selling it to them at cost. Make it like this. Then ask those that are wasted to see if they want to buy the full price. I suggest get some out and show the galaxy what its all about. Make a few bpc.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.25 01:46:00 -
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Edited by: Steel Rage on 25/02/2004 01:51:24
Edited by: Steel Rage on 25/02/2004 01:49:57
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Steel
I would like to suggest picking one Alliance and selling it to them at cost. Make it like this. Then ask those that are wasted to see if they want to buy the full price. I suggest get some out and show the galaxy what its all about. Make a few bpc.
I have very limited stock now because people can keep them safe they are a insanely good item. Again the production is very slooow. People are just money pinching when they can have fun. They know how to use them... under a station or at a jump in point. Nasty stuff... PC pirates are just waiting for the prices to drop and every one will be shocked to see that they are as low as they can go. I have no problems waiting this out. 10k radius 5k hit points you CAN NOT escape.
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IZON
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Posted - 2004.02.25 02:52:00 -
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I sold one for almost 80mil (actually I closed the bid at 73mil) I mediated between four bidders and the price started at 10mil then shot up. One bidder was prepared to pay 'in kind' with a BS worth 110mil. I guess it's not how much you pay but what you do with it that really conts.
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Spudomain
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Posted - 2004.02.25 03:25:00 -
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So, right now the chance of me running a blockade in an indy is limited to crafty tricks, bookmarks and sheer luck that I wont be scrambled or targeted too quickly.
When this disruptor is beaming at me, I will not be able to escape, and will undoubtedly lose many BSs to the very whiners that are complaining about the cost of this thing.
Do all of us haulers, hunters, and miners a favor. Only sell to known pirate hunting corps. If you do not know of any of these corps, ask around. There are ALOT of corps out there that would love to sit a few of these at a known rat blockade. |
Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.25 09:17:00 -
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I sold one for almost 80mil (actually I closed the bid at 73mil) I mediated between four bidders and the price started at 10mil then shot up. One bidder was prepared to pay 'in kind' with a BS worth 110mil. I guess it's not how much you pay but what you do with it that really conts.
I seriously doubt anyone would start an auction at a loss if they were making these.
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IZON
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Posted - 2004.02.25 11:47:00 -
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I really had no intention of producing them. The BP I had was an original w/infinite runs. But I see you've edited your original post. I'm talking about the Original BP, now you're talking about selling manufactured Disruptors at 100mil. If they are a pain to make you'll definately find them a pain to sell at that price.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.25 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Steel Rage on 25/02/2004 12:00:02
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I really had no intention of producing them. The BP I had was an original w/infinite runs. But I see you've edited your original post. I'm talking about the Original BP, now you're talking about selling manufactured Disruptors at 100mil. If they are a pain to make you'll definately find them a pain to sell at that price.
My only source of income is not this item. I am perfectly willing to sit this one out if what you say is all true. Whoever you sold it to (if this is truly legit) someone can sell them at whatever cost he/she desires. That still will not change the rarity of this item. Ooo noo maybe I should panic and drop my prices now. ¼_¼
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IZON
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Posted - 2004.02.25 12:11:00 -
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I guess the real point is, is that Tech II warp disruptors will soon be widely available. Like the Tech II miners, prices will start high and drop rapidly to reflect market forces.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.25 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Steel Rage on 25/02/2004 12:58:26
Edited by: Steel Rage on 25/02/2004 12:57:12
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I guess the real point is, is that Tech II warp disruptors will soon be widely available. Like the Tech II miners, prices will start high and drop rapidly to reflect market forces.
I have been around since beta 1. I know you are trying to drive prices down with lies because I can observe the market like allot of people can not. Even if somone is foolish enough to sell the stuff below their cost they still can not produce enough to ruin the market. Oh and I know 90% of the powergamers that can build this stuff (if they had the print).
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.02.25 13:41:00 -
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Your price makes this item useless.
The small disruptor field is actually not that usefull even if it was only for 5 mill.
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Zoltaris
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Posted - 2004.02.26 18:04:00 -
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This item will never be useless... Alone, it's not very effective with a radius of 10 km, but put a few close to each others (like, 20 km apart) and they become so effective that it's scary, no indy can survive such a blockade, and most cruiser and BS won't either if they are alone...
So, steel, keep your price up! you might sell less, but you'll make as much or even more profits and there will be less dangerous gates out there! 
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Johhny Bestibule
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Posted - 2004.02.27 03:16:00 -
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I think this whole thread shows that the eve forums are under moderated. This is pretty much 5 pages of off-topic flaming and rather pathetic at that.
Steel can sell them at whatever price he feels like, he doesn't have to justify the price, because he is forcing no one to buy it.
Steel if you get any other items like this (ie its larger brothers) could you evemail me, thank you.
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