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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Steel Rage on 25/02/2004 09:24:36
The disruptors cost 100 million and they are a real pain to make. You can buy them at Amarr. The prices will never get much lower because of the time and materials used in them. If you buy 2 the second one is 20% off.
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:12:00 -
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stats?
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:15:00 -
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thats good, hate to think every noob with dreams of killing indies would be getting them
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:18:00 -
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im having a hard time believing the 1st ones on the market
will be for anything less then massive ripoff . care
to show us a screenshot of the bp with the mineral cost ?
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: Steel Rage on 22/02/2004 21:29:19
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im having a hard time believing the 1st ones on the market
will be for anything less then massive ripoff . care
to show us a screenshot of the bp with the mineral cost ?
You can't insert fake items in to the market. It is not an escrow deal and you can see the stats on any sellable item on the market by clicking deselecting the "show only available items" button.
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Amin
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:27:00 -
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Did u get the bp from your research agent?
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Shen Ku
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:32:00 -
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120mil for a small one is a total ripoff,
the devs have stated that the largest one is approx 60mil in mineral requirements,
so given that, anyone is free to buy it, but they may not be getting the best deal possible
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st0ned
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:40:00 -
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You can't insert fake items in to the market. It is not an escrow deal and you can see the stats on any sellable item on the market by clicking deselecting the "show only available items" button.
i dont doubt the item exist , ive been to amarr .
i doubt it takes as much as u claimed to make .
again , care to show us a bp screenshot with material
reqs ?
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:40:00 -
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120mil for a small one is a total ripoff,
the devs have stated that the largest one is approx 60mil in mineral requirements,
so given that, anyone is free to buy it, but they may not be getting the best deal possible
Please show me where that is "stated".
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Atandros
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Posted - 2004.02.22 21:42:00 -
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Edited by: Atandros on 22/02/2004 21:43:26
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Edited by: Steel Rage on 22/02/2004 21:29:19
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im having a hard time believing the 1st ones on the market
will be for anything less then massive ripoff . care
to show us a screenshot of the bp with the mineral cost ?
You can't insert fake items in to the market. It is not an escrow deal and you can see the stats on any sellable item on the market by clicking deselecting the "show only available items" button.
No, he wants the exact mineral requirements, so as to se the justification for your high price, not the authenticity of the module itself.
Show us. 
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McFly
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Posted - 2004.02.22 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: McFly on 22/02/2004 22:49:14
Yeah, please make a screeny so we can see how much your tryng to rip everyone off. I also remember hearing the largest one would be about 60mil, so this one being 120mil... just another guy trying to make a buck. 
Also if they are such a pain, why dont you offer a byom.. plenty of people out there with all the construction components, just a suggestion
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scouting
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Posted - 2004.02.22 22:51:00 -
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5k range...way too expensive seeing as you will need about 8+ to effectively disrupt the gate area..
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Amin
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Posted - 2004.02.22 22:53:00 -
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Given that these are the smallest and therefore the cheapest of the warp disruptors, 120mil makes no sense at all. This means that L w/disruptors will be 200mil+?
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ghost437
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Posted - 2004.02.22 23:32:00 -
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120 mil, yeah ok. Try offering a semi reasonable price and you might actually get some business.
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Hanns
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Posted - 2004.02.22 23:43:00 -
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lol what a noob, looks like this deal backfired on him, 120mill is totally over the top dude, try knocking off 100mill from your price, then you way get some customers LOL
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2004.02.22 23:52:00 -
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I notice that its mostly pirates complaining about the price....
So you want it easy AND cheap too...?"
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.23 00:23:00 -
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 120 mil is not allot for 6 battleships to have a tactical advantage. I have news for you if you are complaining about the price, because of the way these are made. You guys drop like 40 mil per mod when you want it and you expect me to sell a limited production item for a super cheap price so you can pick them all up together. LOL!!!! These will never be THAT affordable because you can't make them in large quantity or find the supplies to build them. 
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.23 00:25:00 -
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Thats nice steel sell me the Blueprint and I will produce them all day long.
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.02.23 00:27:00 -
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120 mill thats just nuts 
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Herophant
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Posted - 2004.02.23 00:32:00 -
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I think someone mentioned the bigest warp dist field was 50 mill......
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2004.02.23 00:33:00 -
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lol 120mill
i think mate you will get 0 buisness
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Sin Ist
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Posted - 2004.02.23 00:42:00 -
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I wonder if anybody has actually bought one. Can you put these things up in empire space and not take sec hits form the 100s of people whow ill be warp jammed? If so that would be sweet.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.23 00:52:00 -
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You guys can scold me all you want but you have to understand you can not make that many a day because of the production time and the amount of construction materials involved. Even if you had all the materials in eve you are still limited by the HUGE production time. I am in no hurry to sell it. Buy it don't buy it I can always make money other ways.
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Power
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Posted - 2004.02.23 01:57:00 -
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The only thing to understand here is that your taking the ****.
You might get someone to buy if you lower your price by 100 mil say.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.23 02:10:00 -
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For 2.5 million more I will give you deflation insurance. How does this work? Say another vendor starts selling it at 80 million. You will get a credit towards your next purchase at a discount of 40 million towards your next purchase at the value at that time +20%. So if I am selling at 80 million as well you will get it for 80 mill plus 20% = 96 mill - 40 mill = 56 mill your total cost. I reserve the right to refund your 2.5 million and void the contract at any time for any reason though. I will not if you are dealing fairly with me. Deflation insurance is valid for the next deal only. There is a risk involved if you don't want to do this you don't have to.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.23 02:13:00 -
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The only thing to understand here is that your taking the ****.
You might get someone to buy if you lower your price by 100 mil say.
Only time will tell if I am taking a **** or not. PAK are against Legion so this is just political now.
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Aamalie
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Posted - 2004.02.23 02:56:00 -
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I seem to remember somebody saying that there would be 3 copies of each BP distributed. I think any sane person will wait for the other copies to be released. Your really hurting your chances for profit. Right now you could dominate the market, however you'll get no sales like this. |
Zeus
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Posted - 2004.02.23 03:24:00 -
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any items are more than likely loot drops.
I doubt he actually has a bp and hes probably trying to over inflate the price of it/them
the base price of a small mobile is 2.9 mil.
for 5k scramble radius its not worth 120
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.23 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Steel Rage on 23/02/2004 03:45:11
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any items are more than likely loot drops.
I doubt he actually has a bp and hes probably trying to over inflate the price of it/them
the base price of a small mobile is 2.9 mil.
for 5k scramble radius its not worth 120
I think youÆre angry because EVO or a Megacorp like Techell is not gouging and it is me. The price is high sure but so is the price of Plasma TVs. Get me a plasma TV for the price of a regular TV and I will get it. Will the price drop? It certainly will but never to 20 mill. It may drop to 40 mill when everyone has the print. Not right now.
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Dark Stranger
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Posted - 2004.02.23 05:06:00 -
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OMG you just shot yourself in the foot.
First off you just admitted that the price you would be willing to sell at after more get on the market, at 40m. So you just tolde everyone that you are ripping people off at 3x the price of these things. Is anyone gonna buy them from you? Not a chance.
You should of tried 60m and sold alot of them while you had the chance but once the bp gets out there no one in there right mind will deal with you. At 60m if you sold just 3 a day it would of been over 60m profit over the 40 m price you claim you'll eventually sell for. But no, you shoot yourself in the foot and wasted a ton of potential profit.
WTG brains
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.02.23 08:11:00 -
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5km range? Man, if people decloack after jumping in their further than that, so this thing is pretty worthless.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.23 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Steel Rage on 23/02/2004 09:25:05
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OMG you just shot yourself in the foot.
First off you just admitted that the price you would be willing to sell at after more get on the market, at 40m. So you just tolde everyone that you are ripping people off at 3x the price of these things. Is anyone gonna buy them from you? Not a chance.
You should of tried 60m and sold alot of them while you had the chance but once the bp gets out there no one in there right mind will deal with you. At 60m if you sold just 3 a day it would of been over 60m profit over the 40 m price you claim you'll eventually sell for. But no, you shoot yourself in the foot and wasted a ton of potential profit.
WTG brains
You know I am not arguing with you people. 40m if reverse engineering is in play, if you can build the massive amounts of Tech 2 components with BPs, if you have the skills to make them, if you have multiple prints (sloooow production). Think about it 2/3 of a battleshipÆs hit-points.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.23 09:23:00 -
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Edited by: Steel Rage on 23/02/2004 09:34:12
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5km range? Man, if people decloack after jumping in their further than that, so this thing is pretty worthless.
Yes if you have no clue where to place it. I bet your enemies know where to place it for you. Maybe they need a discount.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.02.23 09:50:00 -
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Edited by: Steel Rage on 23/02/2004 09:34:12
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5km range? Man, if people decloack after jumping in their further than that, so this thing is pretty worthless.
Yes if you have no clue where to place it. I bet your enemies know where to place it for you. Maybe they need a discount.
Jumpin at the gate is random you nitwit.
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Darklogan
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Posted - 2004.02.23 10:00:00 -
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TomB > the cost to make a strong 40km radius warp disruptor are ~50 mill isk in mineral price alone
No other comment needed. 
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Jim Bond
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Posted - 2004.02.23 10:06:00 -
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Maybe you mean 120 million for the original BP, but this is still overpriced as far as im concerned.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.23 10:06:00 -
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I think someone mentioned the bigest warp dist field was 50 mill......
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.23 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: Steel Rage on 23/02/2004 10:28:23
Edited by: Steel Rage on 23/02/2004 10:26:11
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TomB > the cost to make a strong 40km radius warp disruptor are ~50 mill isk in mineral price alone
No other comment needed.
Ok... Time will tell if that pans out there is much overhead here. You will also notice the part >>>in mineral price alone<<<.
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Martinus Crimson
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Posted - 2004.02.23 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Martinus Crimson on 23/02/2004 10:33:50
We are all gonna laugh in your face now ... cause the word in Lum is some-one got the med BP and is selling em for 80 mil ... there you go with your worthless small warpdisruptors at 120mill ... you will never sell one now the med BP is out. And they are selling at 80mil.. will update here when i got more info on it.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.23 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: Martinus Crimson on 23/02/2004 10:33:50
We are all gonna laugh in your face now ... cause the word in Lum is some-one got the med BP and is selling em for 80 mil ... there you go with your worthless small warpdisruptors at 120mill ... you will never sell one now the med BP is out. And they are selling at 80mil.. will update here when i got more info on it.
Ok please laugh in my face when that happens . I will wait it out lmao.
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Bili
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Posted - 2004.02.23 11:23:00 -
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The disruptors cost 120 million and they are a real pain to make. You can buy them at Amarr. The prices will never get much lower because of the time and materials used in them.
can't you up the price to 1.2 Billion? after all its only pirates want to use this, so screw them over as much as you can.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.02.23 11:27:00 -
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sad news.
5M for small one: useable for piracy.
this prizes are ridiculous. pirates who argued against the automatic anti-warp field at each gates have been badly screwed. again.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.02.23 11:28:00 -
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can't you up the price to 1.2 Billion? after all its only pirates want to use this, so screw them over as much as you can.
you sir, are an idiot.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.23 11:47:00 -
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sad news.
5M for small one: useable for piracy.
this prizes are ridiculous. pirates who argued against the automatic anti-warp field at each gates have been badly screwed. again.
The radius is 10 if you place 4 you will probably own that gate. You guys are a bunch of wieners. Prices will go down some day and that 80 million for a medium field is a lie and if it is not the guy is selling at a veeery small margin. You guys waste millions of isk on mods that give you a marginal advantage all the time. I will just laugh if the prices go super low on these the pirates will gank you wieners left and right.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2004.02.23 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: McWatt on 23/02/2004 11:56:54
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The radius is 10 if you place 4 you will probably own that gate. You guys are a bunch of wieners. Prices will go down some day and that 80 million for a medium field is a lie and if it is not the guy is selling at a veeery small margin. You guys waste millions of isk on mods that give you a marginal advantage all the time. I will just laugh if the prices go super low on these the pirates will gank you wieners left and right.
as a "wiener" i m not happy with your use of the word.
the claim that pirates use expensive modules shows that you know "very little" .
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Saera Ezliha
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Posted - 2004.02.23 11:56:00 -
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Quite reasonable price in my opinion .
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Technolisa
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Posted - 2004.02.23 13:13:00 -
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The disruptors cost 120 million and they are a real pain to make. You can buy them at Amarr. The prices will never get much lower because of the time and materials used in them.
show us a BluePrint Screanshot... so we can see howmuch mineralls it require....
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HitGirl
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Posted - 2004.02.23 13:17:00 -
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120m is not even the mineral requirements for Large, Large is at 50m in mineral cost!
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Posted - 2004.02.23 14:26:00 -
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Sure mineral cost might be 50mill-ish for a large one, but have you guys stopped to think about the component costs? This could quite easily triple or quadruple the total cost. I think it's dangerous and unfair taking TomB's quote literally there..
Steel Rage is getting attacked for no reason IMO, and while i'm sure we'll all find out the exact requirements sooner or later, he has the BP now of an *essential* combat item. If you want it pay his prices.
Hate to say it but we've all just got to get used to tech2 distribution being carried out in this way. I'm pretty sure when the first tech2 cruisers appear at (my guess) 200mill each the flaming will be even more insane 
Also, i don't remember seeing so much abuse when miner2's were being sold at 2mill a pop. Ppl seemed to grin and bear it back then.
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Dark Nyte
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Posted - 2004.02.23 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Nyte on 23/02/2004 14:56:48
Edited by: Dark Nyte on 23/02/2004 14:53:08
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TomB > the cost to make a strong 40km radius warp disruptor are ~50 mill isk in mineral price alone
No other comment needed.
Actually thats is like saying:
a raven costs 20,000,000 in mega alone but the rest puts it over 100,000,000
it means that one part of the construction process ie the minerals is worth 50 million but that does not include the componets that may or may not be needed to build it ? so none of you apart from the ppl with blueprint have the faintest idea what its worth!!!
Just look at how much interceptors are being sold for? and look at how much minerals there are in those? so where does the cost come from?
Give the guy a break? don't like the price don't buy the item simple as that!!! if hes got the BP he can sell it for what ever price he wants, Pirates don't seem to care much about other peoples wallets, implants or how hard they worked for what they got so why should a Industrialist be any less ruthless ?
your kinda lucky that someone is producing the item at all, There is a logic to sitting on the BP and not producing just so the enermy (the only ppl who need this equipment) don't get to use it on you!!!!
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Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2004.02.23 15:27:00 -
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it's not an unreasonable price... as long he is the only one to produce it, he can .
you should try to make some deals with pirates corps and large alliances . you will sell a lot more than by the market
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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2004.02.23 16:18:00 -
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I know! I can ask for a screenshot! That way I can screw him over and make sure I pay slightly above mineral/component price rather than what I'd actually be willing to pay.
/end sarcasm
C'mon folks, have you sent an email over to Coca-Cola and asked them what their formula is to see whether or not it was worth buying it at that price? It doesn't matter if the cost of building it is anywhere near the price it's being sold for. Stop trying to set a impose a value for their products. Their time and effort to build as well as acquire the bp is theirs to value. If it's worth that much to you, buy it. If not, then let them wait it out and drop the price to a point where you can afford it. Or you could always put in the effort to get the bp.
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Posted - 2004.02.23 16:51:00 -
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While 120mil might be too much, 20m might get some takers.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.02.23 17:13:00 -
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Dont forget that npcs drop these items as well so they will leak on to the market at greatly reduced costs soon enough as well.
120mil? Sounds like somone is trying to pull of a trick like the Miner II's.
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2004.02.23 17:16:00 -
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Well, to shut you ALL up...
Tell me what is mineral price of local hull conversion cargo expander and then tell me please market price... or these XL CL-5 shield boosters you buy, or named guns, or....whatever YOU SELL to other people...
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Kalok
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Posted - 2004.02.23 17:30:00 -
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Steel Rage I can't tell you enough how glad I am you are selling it for 120 MILJ.
Luve ya baby and keep it up. Enjoy the bump.
Greetz, Kalok.
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Teelmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.23 17:49:00 -
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This makes me want to pod all you nubs.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.02.23 17:49:00 -
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While 120mil might be too much, 20m might get some takers.
Pathetic. You try to impose YOUR prices on this guy? As for npc drops, LOL yeah right.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2004.02.23 18:47:00 -
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Can you post what it needs to be produced. I might be able to help you out...
..or convo me in game
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Reah
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Posted - 2004.02.23 19:55:00 -
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lol this thread is so full of idiots its hillarious, why do ppl expect that they should be able to buy everythign at production cost + a little more based on the production costs as profit for the seller?
this aint how things work, in eve, and mostly not in RL either..
Eve has a free market, witch means u can demand the price u want, and how mutch u will offer for something..
this means steel rage can demand 1bil if he wants per item.. its nothign wrong in it, i dont see why ppl are *****ing and whining, if u dont wanna pay the price go buy at someone else.. or dont buy it at all
why should Steel rage have to justify his prices? dont like it? dont buy it, if he prices the item too high he might not sell as many as he'd like, or mabye he does? mabye he is actually selling them at the rate hes able to produce them, if so hes only being smart, afaik hes the only one with a BP, so there might be some willing to pay the 120mil for the item, it can still be quite effective if used properly.. if hes making more than hes producing atm im sure he will lower the price when he gets a surplus etc.
go cry somewhere else  , im tired to read about how everyone who has a monopoly is raping everyone else, try to keep in mind those BP's are expencive, production costs dosent only include the minerals needed to make 1 item..
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.02.23 20:43:00 -
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"this means steel rage can demand 1bil if he wants per item.. its nothign wrong in it, i dont see why ppl are *****ing and whining, if u dont wanna pay the price go buy at someone else.. or dont buy it at all"
... People are giving feedback to the price they are asked to pay. It's nothing strange, and shouldn't surprise someone as market-savvy as you pretend to be. In fact, it's probably something to welcome rather than ridicule.
And yeah, for every person who posted in 'tis thread pointing out the price is too high to them, there's probably 10-20 others who didn't even bother and who 'didn't buy it at all'. One can disregard it all as *****ing and whining, or they can ask tmeselves if it's really doing any good for their wallet, to miss that many potential deals. Up to them, really.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.23 22:37:00 -
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To make it easier I will trade a Tech 2 battleship with a mobile warp disruptor. This should release allot of pressure on allot of you who want it. Please repackage it when you trade.
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Arti K
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Posted - 2004.02.23 22:55:00 -
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i think you mean tier 2 and not tech 2 :)
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.02.24 00:09:00 -
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this means steel rage can demand 1bil if he wants per item.. its nothign wrong in it...
...but there is something very stupid in it; namely that other people are going to be producing them for a lot less. Steelrage has, apparently got hold of a blueprint that could have earnt him a fortune, but by setting the price so high he's turned all the potential buyers away, so he's going to earn diddly squat.
Or at least, so the people posting here think. That they've taken the time and effort to post explaining their opinions shows they're concerned that Steelrage doesn't price himself out of business, and are trying to help him out.
Me, I just thought "the hell with that" and didn't bother buying any. Let him find out the hard way.
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Posted - 2004.02.24 00:29:00 -
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These will never be THAT affordable because you can't make them in large quantity or find the supplies to build them.
Id be happy to help out in your production shortfall. Would you care to part with a BP copy ?
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2004.02.24 00:36:00 -
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TomB > the cost to make a strong 40km radius warp disruptor are ~50 mill isk in mineral price alone
No other comment needed.
In all fairness. that quote says "mineral price alone". Anyone whos built tech 2 items knows that most of them require insane amounts of tech2 components which are many times more expensive than the minerals involved. Case in point.. my corp has a stiletto BP but the damn things require about 5 mil worth of components each to build in addition to the minerals required.
That being said I think the original poster is smoking something thats illegal in most countries if he thinks hes going to sell many or any for 120 mil, at least not without posting a screenshot of the BP's manufacturing requirements. Id like to see the components and minerals required myself. If the price is not an insane price gouge, I might pick up a few.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.24 05:37:00 -
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Edited by: Steel Rage on 24/02/2004 05:51:05
Sigh. If you buy 2 that will bring the price down to 180 mil. I will also do special deals with battleships etc. I would just like to say that you guys paid for miner IIs and now you decide you want to bargain and the items do not even compare in manufacturing/material pain. I will take care of my customers. Anyone who buys from me now will always get a discount in the future.
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Hanns
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Posted - 2004.02.24 06:11:00 -
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Edited by: Hanns on 24/02/2004 06:20:12
Why donÆt you just make a fair price, instead of trying to rip people off, then this discussion would never have taken place!
Also everyone is assuming this is a tech 2 item? do we know for a fact? considering its called Mobile small warp disruptor I, not II
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.02.24 06:31:00 -
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If you are going to continue to claim that your price is jusitified because of "tricky manufacturing", give us *at least* a ball park of the mineral requirements. Otherwise regardless of whatever you say, no one will believe that you are not price gouging. This view can only be butressed by the fact that Tomb stated a ballpark mineral requirement for the large variety (at ~50 million) and that you have already lowered your prices below what you implied was a break even point.
My guess is that you are selling it at somewhere between 10-30 times manufacturing cost. For every 1 sale you are making at this price (assuming that has been 1), given the popularity of this itme, you will have missed out on probably 30-40 sales (if not far more) at 3-4 times manufacturing cost. As such, you are really just shooting yourself in the foot.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.24 06:36:00 -
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Edited by: Hanns on 24/02/2004 06:20:12
Why donÆt you just make a fair price, instead of trying to rip people off, then this discussion would never have taken place!
Also everyone is assuming this is a tech 2 item? do we know for a fact? considering its called Mobile small warp disruptor I, not II
I am getting customers and I am almost out of stock with the new pricing policy. You believe what you want to believe.
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2004.02.24 07:32:00 -
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Sell it to pirate hunters, and show the pricebears the finger =)
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2004.02.24 07:38:00 -
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This makes me want to pod all you nubs.
_this_ ?
I might be mistaken, but dont you guys pod everyone you can now ? Are you saying there are people you could pod wich you dont ?
Humm... orvolle yester day, big red blob, 25+ ships killed in a houer... "this makes me want to pod you noobs" LOL you are funny sir !!
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Fausto
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Posted - 2004.02.24 07:45:00 -
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Out of stock? Have you ever tried making some so you have them in stock? Man 100+ m for this junk?!? Its even worse then wlite frigs
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Dakkon Blackblade
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Posted - 2004.02.24 07:51:00 -
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Steel,
We all know you are trying to rip people off. This is a sound and very logical fact. Even with your "new" priceing plan its is still an obvious rip-off. I know it, you know it, and everybody with half a brain knows it. The biggest proof we have is the fact that you refuse to show us a pic of the mineral requirements, which is your biggest bargining chip. However no one should be laughing at Steel, he is not the fool here. In fact, he is most cunning in his marketing strategy. You can see how he, like a pirate, preys on the weak minded and foolish inhabitants of EVE. He is even spouting propaganda about his sales success to make you think his prices are 'fair'. So don't point your verbal slings and arrows at Steel, for he is not such a fool. Instead you should all laugh at anyone daft enough to purchase his product, for they are the truely foolish.
If the above is too wordy for you here is a simpler version:
Steel Rage = not so dumb, just doing what everybody else does with their new BPs.
Anyone who pays Steels prices(as they are now) = OMG Steel shafted you so good, you are the true fools, go to school and read up on economics. |
Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2004.02.24 08:37:00 -
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Steel,
We all know you are trying to rip people off. This is a sound and very logical fact. Even with your "new" priceing plan its is still an obvious rip-off. I know it, you know it, and everybody with half a brain knows it. The biggest proof we have is the fact that you refuse to show us a pic of the mineral requirements, which is your biggest bargining chip. However no one should be laughing at Steel, he is not the fool here. In fact, he is most cunning in his marketing strategy. You can see how he, like a pirate, preys on the weak minded and foolish inhabitants of EVE. He is even spouting propaganda about his sales success to make you think his prices are 'fair'. So don't point your verbal slings and arrows at Steel, for he is not such a fool. Instead you should all laugh at anyone daft enough to purchase his product, for they are the truely foolish.
If the above is too wordy for you here is a simpler version:
Steel Rage = not so dumb, just doing what everybody else does with their new BPs.
Anyone who pays Steels prices(as they are now) = OMG Steel shafted you so good, you are the true fools, go to school and read up on economics.
LOL a pirate with "Reverce Psychology" strategy.
Steel, everyone know that most of the ppl wanthing this is pirates. As they have stated them self. They have as much ISK they need EVER. I think you should push the price to around 200mil each. Dont let them push you around. Nor you or me, or the rest of the good fellows in various nations want to see this things at every pirate camp.
Besides, breaking up a pirate camp and blowing up there priceless warp disruptor will be the ultimate laugh for us.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.02.24 09:37:00 -
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Funny thing is that I and my mates would have bought many units if the price was reasonable.
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2004.02.24 10:50:00 -
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Funny thing is that I and my mates would have bought many units if the price was reasonable.
We are all verry glad you did not. Thats one more reason to not lower the price steel. *winks*
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Maximus Destructor
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Posted - 2004.02.24 19:30:00 -
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I will take 4 for 350M please Steel Rage, please convo me in game if agreeable, and if you have even produced that many. I suspect production and requirements are insane.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2004.02.24 20:15:00 -
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Steel
I would like to suggest picking one Alliance and selling it to them at cost. Make it like this. Then ask those that are wasted to see if they want to buy the full price. I suggest get some out and show the galaxy what its all about. Make a few bpc.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.25 01:46:00 -
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Edited by: Steel Rage on 25/02/2004 01:51:24
Edited by: Steel Rage on 25/02/2004 01:49:57
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Steel
I would like to suggest picking one Alliance and selling it to them at cost. Make it like this. Then ask those that are wasted to see if they want to buy the full price. I suggest get some out and show the galaxy what its all about. Make a few bpc.
I have very limited stock now because people can keep them safe they are a insanely good item. Again the production is very slooow. People are just money pinching when they can have fun. They know how to use them... under a station or at a jump in point. Nasty stuff... PC pirates are just waiting for the prices to drop and every one will be shocked to see that they are as low as they can go. I have no problems waiting this out. 10k radius 5k hit points you CAN NOT escape.
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IZON
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Posted - 2004.02.25 02:52:00 -
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I sold one for almost 80mil (actually I closed the bid at 73mil) I mediated between four bidders and the price started at 10mil then shot up. One bidder was prepared to pay 'in kind' with a BS worth 110mil. I guess it's not how much you pay but what you do with it that really conts.
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Spudomain
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Posted - 2004.02.25 03:25:00 -
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So, right now the chance of me running a blockade in an indy is limited to crafty tricks, bookmarks and sheer luck that I wont be scrambled or targeted too quickly.
When this disruptor is beaming at me, I will not be able to escape, and will undoubtedly lose many BSs to the very whiners that are complaining about the cost of this thing.
Do all of us haulers, hunters, and miners a favor. Only sell to known pirate hunting corps. If you do not know of any of these corps, ask around. There are ALOT of corps out there that would love to sit a few of these at a known rat blockade. |
Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.25 09:17:00 -
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I sold one for almost 80mil (actually I closed the bid at 73mil) I mediated between four bidders and the price started at 10mil then shot up. One bidder was prepared to pay 'in kind' with a BS worth 110mil. I guess it's not how much you pay but what you do with it that really conts.
I seriously doubt anyone would start an auction at a loss if they were making these.
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IZON
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Posted - 2004.02.25 11:47:00 -
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I really had no intention of producing them. The BP I had was an original w/infinite runs. But I see you've edited your original post. I'm talking about the Original BP, now you're talking about selling manufactured Disruptors at 100mil. If they are a pain to make you'll definately find them a pain to sell at that price.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.25 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Steel Rage on 25/02/2004 12:00:02
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I really had no intention of producing them. The BP I had was an original w/infinite runs. But I see you've edited your original post. I'm talking about the Original BP, now you're talking about selling manufactured Disruptors at 100mil. If they are a pain to make you'll definately find them a pain to sell at that price.
My only source of income is not this item. I am perfectly willing to sit this one out if what you say is all true. Whoever you sold it to (if this is truly legit) someone can sell them at whatever cost he/she desires. That still will not change the rarity of this item. Ooo noo maybe I should panic and drop my prices now. ¼_¼
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IZON
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Posted - 2004.02.25 12:11:00 -
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I guess the real point is, is that Tech II warp disruptors will soon be widely available. Like the Tech II miners, prices will start high and drop rapidly to reflect market forces.
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Steel Rage
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Posted - 2004.02.25 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Steel Rage on 25/02/2004 12:58:26
Edited by: Steel Rage on 25/02/2004 12:57:12
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I guess the real point is, is that Tech II warp disruptors will soon be widely available. Like the Tech II miners, prices will start high and drop rapidly to reflect market forces.
I have been around since beta 1. I know you are trying to drive prices down with lies because I can observe the market like allot of people can not. Even if somone is foolish enough to sell the stuff below their cost they still can not produce enough to ruin the market. Oh and I know 90% of the powergamers that can build this stuff (if they had the print).
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.02.25 13:41:00 -
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Your price makes this item useless.
The small disruptor field is actually not that usefull even if it was only for 5 mill.
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Zoltaris
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Posted - 2004.02.26 18:04:00 -
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This item will never be useless... Alone, it's not very effective with a radius of 10 km, but put a few close to each others (like, 20 km apart) and they become so effective that it's scary, no indy can survive such a blockade, and most cruiser and BS won't either if they are alone...
So, steel, keep your price up! you might sell less, but you'll make as much or even more profits and there will be less dangerous gates out there!
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Johhny Bestibule
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Posted - 2004.02.27 03:16:00 -
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I think this whole thread shows that the eve forums are under moderated. This is pretty much 5 pages of off-topic flaming and rather pathetic at that.
Steel can sell them at whatever price he feels like, he doesn't have to justify the price, because he is forcing no one to buy it.
Steel if you get any other items like this (ie its larger brothers) could you evemail me, thank you.
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