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Anton Marx Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:00:00 - [61] Yeah, Testosterone Bomb, I am almost sure that STYX. are going to be the new pets in FAT-. They are already spotted in Catch aiding Allied forces. I don't know what their plans are, but I see some of the oldest -Y- corps there. It looks like a splinter alliance to me so you can never be sure how long they'll last. In any case, welcome, STYX. to Catch \o - Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate - [UMCON]Anton Marx
snerdly snerd LTD	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:01:00 - [62] Their home system is going to be FAT? OH, lord... Poor dears, they never had a chance.
Lianlan Lou Caldari ISK Farmer and Sweatshop INC.	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:02:00 - [63] I hope this contract was worth it, idk what MC's going rate is, or what they value the H74 system at. Losing two supercaps over the course of 3 months... seems like they probably lost isk on this contract (if they hadn't been able to loot the wrecks of those they were being paid to kill at least). MC is really backed into a corner here, on one hand they have their reputation to consider, IAC has now survived THREE MC CONTRACTS against them. K/D ratio matters to nobody except people who need to inflate their internet-ego/e-peen because they failed to actually accomplish their objective. People comment in this thread "nice stats" and I laugh, The only stat that matters is that IAC still has 6 stations, MC didn't even cause them to lose HALF of their stations. On the other hand, MC has their 'merc status' to be concerned with. They know that by taking this contract, half of eve will probably never consider hiring them. The H74 station can't possibly be worth the OVER 80billion (in just the two supercaps) in losses MC suffered. That is no way to run a business. By pulling out of this war they can, in some way, try to tell people "Hey look, we're just mercs. When bob didn't want to pay us any more, we stopped working for them." To some people, they idea that MC are merc's is gone completely, and their opinion can't be changed. To all those that thought MC had a shred of mercenary still in them, this will reinforce that idea. Either way: *GOOD JOB IAC* for surviving yet another MC contract, this is no small feat, and you are to be congratulated signature goes here
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:07:00 - [64] That's assuming that the contract was to destroy IAC. Wouldn't the end of this contract make more sense if instead the stations in lower Catch were the objective? There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Lianlan Lou Caldari ISK Farmer and Sweatshop INC.	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:12:00 - [65] Originally by: Avernus That's assuming that the contract was to destroy IAC. Wouldn't the end of this contract make more sense if instead the stations in lower Catch were the objective? You do remember all the talk about a steamroller right? i'm paraphrasing here but it was along the lines of "we're going to steamroll over IAC, and -A- then goons" Anything short of wiping IAC off the map is a failure for MC imo. Any attmept for a FIXion to spin it otherwise is sad. signature goes here
Haargoth Agamar Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:18:00 - [66] Originally by: Lianlan Lou Originally by: Avernus That's assuming that the contract was to destroy IAC. Wouldn't the end of this contract make more sense if instead the stations in lower Catch were the objective? You do remember all the talk about a steamroller right? i'm paraphrasing here but it was along the lines of "we're going to steamroll over IAC, and -A- then goons" Anything short of wiping IAC off the map is a failure for MC imo. Any attmept for a FIXion to spin it otherwise is sad. Since talk on the forums is the same as what is really happening ingame right?
Cotton Tail Domination. League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:20:00 - [67] Nice stats MC, just further goes to show how great an asset you guys are for any side needing support in a conflict. Only question though is I thought you entered this war not as a contract but because the coalition had a go at your home systems (killing a baby hel i think it was?) and if my memory is correct you then made a post saying that you were entering the war not as mercs but fighting to protect your home? If so when did this contract actually start being a contract, rather than helping your allies? Either way, enjoy your down time, clearly you guys earnt it.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:29:00 - [68] Originally by: Cotton Tail Nice stats MC, just further goes to show how great an asset you guys are for any side needing support in a conflict. Only question though is I thought you entered this war not as a contract but because the coalition had a go at your home systems (killing a baby hel i think it was?) and if my memory is correct you then made a post saying that you were entering the war not as mercs but fighting to protect your home? If so when did this contract actually start being a contract, rather than helping your allies? Either way, enjoy your down time, clearly you guys earnt it. i missed the pos K:D ratio. was that included somewhere else? and it became a contract when they decided they wanted out of the fight. duh
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:31:00 - [69] Originally by: Lianlan Lou I hope this contract was worth it, idk what MC's going rate is, or what they value the H74 system at. Losing two supercaps over the course of 3 months... seems like they probably lost isk on this contract (if they hadn't been able to loot the wrecks of those they were being paid to kill at least). MC is really backed into a corner here, on one hand they have their reputation to consider, IAC has now survived THREE MC CONTRACTS against them. K/D ratio matters to nobody except people who need to inflate their internet-ego/e-peen because they failed to actually accomplish their objective. People comment in this thread "nice stats" and I laugh, The only stat that matters is that IAC still has 6 stations, MC didn't even cause them to lose HALF of their stations. On the other hand, MC has their 'merc status' to be concerned with. They know that by taking this contract, half of eve will probably never consider hiring them. The H74 station can't possibly be worth the OVER 80billion (in just the two supercaps) in losses MC suffered. That is no way to run a business. By pulling out of this war they can, in some way, try to tell people "Hey look, we're just mercs. When bob didn't want to pay us any more, we stopped working for them." To some people, they idea that MC are merc's is gone completely, and their opinion can't be changed. To all those that thought MC had a shred of mercenary still in them, this will reinforce that idea. Either way: *GOOD JOB IAC* for surviving yet another MC contract, this is no small feat, and you are to be congratulated what she said~!! good on you drunks~!!
Xrensa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:36:00 - [70] Enemies or not, those are some really ******* impressive stats. Sans the titan loss.
Murukan Minmatar Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:43:00 - [71] Originally by: Gneeznow SHC is for emo clowns who cant take the heat of CAOD you're in an alliance with snigg the very definition of emo "omg ccp took our cookies this game is so unfair cry cry cry." so you're one to talk. Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Tobruk Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:46:00 - [72] Originally by: Comstr Three times MC has been hired to take IAC's stations...and three times they have declared victory...and gone home. this ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
Xrensa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.14 18:50:00 - [73] Originally by: Murukan Originally by: Gneeznow SHC is for emo clowns who cant take the heat of CAOD you're in an alliance with snigg the very definition of emo "omg ccp took our cookies this game is so unfair cry cry cry." so you're one to talk. if you're referring to the farscape banning, you can't seriously believe that was fair.
Montaire Genbuku. Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.14 19:06:00 - [74] I feel the need to post somthing here for all the people who are going to say "MC would never take a contract against BOB!" or other variations on that theme. You need three things to get MC to take your contract. I'll try and spell them out for you. 1. ISK - You will need a lot of money. Billions, probably tens of billions of ISK, so bring your gold card. 2. A Main - if you want to deal with the MC, you do it with your main. If you dont have the brass to evemail the MC with your main then give up now. You are going to be trusting these guys will a sizeable chunk of assets, start off on the right foot. 3. A plan. Here is where most people fail. ASCN said to MC "Here is a blank check - HELP!" This, frankly, will not work. You need a starting, middle and end point. MC are not 'regulars' and they are not a police force. Think of them as the tip of the spear, a cadre of shock troops and you are on the right track. Once you have all three of those in hand, then you can move forward. Approach this like a fleet engagment, get all the intel you can and take some time to plan. Work out exactly what you are going to do, and what you need the MC to do. Work up an operational schedule and get a firm commitment from your team to stick with it. The MC can be used to seige towers and take stations. They can also be used to lock down a transit pipe or do general area denial tactics. Knowing which of these you need is important. Also get your allies on board. Its not going to do you any good to hire MC and then have your allies screw it up by attacking MC stations for funsies. Finally don't think in terms of "Hiring MC to fight BOB" - because MC is not regular troops, they cant fight ANYONE for you. Just for me, if I were inclined to have The MC help out vs BOB I would probably start by hiring the MC to lockdown every 0.0 pipe into Querious. Combine that with MC empire wardecs vs known GBC logistical allies and we have a great starting point. Having said all that, I do not represent or speak for MC. I dont even know them - but I am sick of all this "Why doesnt MC fight BOB" sewage that gets spewed. You want MC to fight BOB ? Get your isk together and come up with a plan, and I'd imagine you would be just another customer, no matter who the mark is.
Wrayeth Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.14 19:09:00 - [75] Originally by: Seleene Nez, I made the post there because I felt like it. That's about it. I might have copied it over here after dinner, but oh well. Seriously, the search for drama here is a bit much, don't you think? I just realized something: CAOD is like the news here in the U.S. - always striving for more drama and less content. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
wicked cheese Eth3real Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.14 19:09:00 - [76] hmmm my isk is on MC getting hired by youwhat to take down TRI. then once all IAC stations have been recovered bob will hire them again. but if MC is pulling out of catch will catch be bob's focus? after all RISE and other allaince's could use there help and feyth is under attack pretty heavy afaik. MC is very important to the GBC and without it i dont see anything great happining for it soon Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Johnfromshipping Butcherbirds	Posted - 2007.10.14 19:11:00 - [77] Edited by: Johnfromshipping on 14/10/2007 19:12:42 Interesting. A good percentage of the posts on that thread on SHC involve how SHC is better than CAOD. A good percentage of the posts on this thread involve how SHC isn't better than CAOD. Either way, a good percentage of posts on both threads are void of useful content. So how is either forum better than the other? On topic... Seleene has stated in the past that MC would never work with goons, so that leaves MCs employment opportunities rather limited in this 'great war'. It also leaves the notion that MC is truely neutral in an endangered position. Interesting times loom ahead.
Vaustrien Caldari The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.14 19:14:00 - [78] Originally by: dev1lwoman Class / Kills / Losses Battleship / 1218 / 78 Carrier / 50 / 5 Dreadnought / 40 / 2 Mothership / 2 / 1 Titan / 0 / 1 I'm sure MC are good PvPers, and those appear to be impressive numbers, but unless I'm mistaken this has the same faults as anyone who just quotes their killboards due to mixed gangs. If a 100-man gang including 1 MC guy goes out and attacks another 100-man IAC gang, each side kills 50, and the MC guy dies, the MC killboards will report the MC guy's death and as many ship kills where the MC guy's guns were blasting during the fight (could be 10-20+ depending on whether the MC guy was primaried early). Until each side takes every single ally that participates in a war and has them all post all their kills/deaths as a whole the numbers are going to be very, very slanted. I'm sure MC are good PvPers, but the numbers make them look WAAAAY good.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.14 19:21:00 - [79] Originally by: Vaustrien Originally by: dev1lwoman Class / Kills / Losses Battleship / 1218 / 78 Carrier / 50 / 5 Dreadnought / 40 / 2 Mothership / 2 / 1 Titan / 0 / 1 I'm sure MC are good PvPers, and those appear to be impressive numbers, but unless I'm mistaken this has the same faults as anyone who just quotes their killboards due to mixed gangs. If a 100-man gang including 1 MC guy goes out and attacks another 100-man IAC gang, each side kills 50, and the MC guy dies, the MC killboards will report the MC guy's death and as many ship kills where the MC guy's guns were blasting during the fight (could be 10-20+ depending on whether the MC guy was primaried early). Until each side takes every single ally that participates in a war and has them all post all their kills/deaths as a whole the numbers are going to be very, very slanted. I'm sure MC are good PvPers, but the numbers make them look WAAAAY good. ok, THIS is why MC didn't post this information on their mains on caod -- you can't use common sense to spell out items which one would assume everyone should already be using common sense to understand. they posted someplace where all the replies would be "ooooooohhh" "aaahhhhh" "gj gj gj". jeez, you silly goons, keep your facts and common sense to other boards.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.14 19:31:00 - [80] Originally by: Lianlan Lou Originally by: Avernus That's assuming that the contract was to destroy IAC. Wouldn't the end of this contract make more sense if instead the stations in lower Catch were the objective? You do remember all the talk about a steamroller right? i'm paraphrasing here but it was along the lines of "we're going to steamroll over IAC, and -A- then goons" Anything short of wiping IAC off the map is a failure for MC imo. Any attmept for a FIXion to spin it otherwise is sad. Actually, no I don't remember that. At least not in the way you describe it... link? There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
marketBoy1	Posted - 2007.10.14 19:34:00 - [81] The funniest part of this thread is that people are using operative terms such as "contracted" and "hired". Everyone knows that MC was not hired to defend BOB, they are allies protecting their territory. Why did this "contract" expire? MC knows that BOB is about to be beaten into the ground like a red headed stepchild. MC would surely not care to lose in this manner, so a "contract" expiration is the easiest way to duck out. Seleene never has been anything other than an ego maniacal muppet.
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.10.14 19:37:00 - [82] Originally by: Montaire I feel the need to post somthing here for all the people who are going to say "MC would never take a contract against BOB!" or other variations on that theme. You need three things to get MC to take your contract. I'll try and spell them out for you. 1. ISK - You will need a lot of money. Billions, probably tens of billions of ISK, so bring your gold card. 2. A Main - if you want to deal with the MC, you do it with your main. If you dont have the brass to evemail the MC with your main then give up now. You are going to be trusting these guys will a sizeable chunk of assets, start off on the right foot. 3. A plan. Here is where most people fail. ASCN said to MC "Here is a blank check - HELP!" This, frankly, will not work. You need a starting, middle and end point. MC are not 'regulars' and they are not a police force. Think of them as the tip of the spear, a cadre of shock troops and you are on the right track. Wow, thanks for sharing your unique insights....oh no, you're just repeating the stale old MC bull. On to something more interesting. I saw your group crawling from under a rock in Catch. Are you the new Bob pets?
Murukan Minmatar Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.10.14 19:44:00 - [83] Originally by: Xrensa Originally by: Murukan Originally by: Gneeznow SHC is for emo clowns who cant take the heat of CAOD you're in an alliance with snigg the very definition of emo "omg ccp took our cookies this game is so unfair cry cry cry." so you're one to talk. if you're referring to the farscape banning, you can't seriously believe that was fair. no i'm not Manlove by Zaphod Jones
snerdly snerd LTD	Posted - 2007.10.14 19:45:00 - [84] Originally by: Montaire 3. A plan. Here is where most people fail. ASCN said to MC "Here is a blank check - HELP!" This, frankly, will not work. You need a starting, middle and end point. MC are not 'regulars' and they are not a police force. Think of them as the tip of the spear, a cadre of shock troops and you are on the right track. As I understand it, MC supplied the plan for MCBoB's move on Catch. BoB also epic failed at following said plan. So I guess BoB is a special case then?
Cador Mortaves Amarr Boreas Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.14 20:13:00 - [85] Originally by: marketBoy1 The funniest part of this thread is that people are using operative terms such as "contracted" and "hired". Everyone knows that MC was not hired to defend BOB, they are allies protecting their territory. Why did this "contract" expire? MC knows that BOB is about to be beaten into the ground like a red headed stepchild. MC would surely not care to lose in this manner, so a "contract" expiration is the easiest way to duck out. Seleene never has been anything other than an ego maniacal muppet. Really? 'Everyone knows' ? ..wauw. That's really impressive - So tell me, when did these omnipotent mindreading delusions start? 'MC knows' - ...This is fantastic! You dictate what MC know?? This is truly sensational. I mean we're not talking about some random opinion on what you think, or what you think MC think. We're talking about you telling and deciding what MC knows and how they feel. In fact, you seem to have several people just like you, stretched out as far as the eye can see in this thread. All claiming things like "MC knows that they can't win, so they are trying to save themselves!" or "MC knows that half of EVE won't hire them because of all of this" - Just...amazing, okay? puts on commentator voice Here we have an abundance of people not only deciding what MC think, feel and KNOW!! But they also speak for dramatic pose of comprehension HALF THE EVE UNIVERSE! THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! IN THE FIRM MENTAL RULE OF THESE OMNIPOTENT BEINGS! que fantastic presentation music We'll be right back after these commercials! where marketBoy1 will tell YOU! points at the person reading this whether or not you even know your own name, and he will be deciding if quantum mechanics has even been discovered yet, or if we have a lot of scientists we need to execute for defying him! end sarcasm Really..how stupid do you have to be, to even say that crap you did marketBoy1? Don't tell me, you even managed to keep a straight face through the whole ordeal. My god man...
Testosterone Bomb Red Ballz	Posted - 2007.10.14 20:17:00 - [86] Wicked cheese Thats an interesting match up if MC got Hired by whats left of YW but then again Tri vs MC thats sort of like Alien vs. Predator Me , would put my money on Tri if this happened.
Shadoo North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.14 20:22:00 - [87] Originally by: Murukan you're in an alliance with snigg the very definition of emo "omg ccp took our cookies this game is so unfair cry cry cry." so you're one to talk. Good thing you can shoot your mouth off on forums without ever undocking, eh.
Haargoth Agamar Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.10.14 20:36:00 - [88] Originally by: Shadoo Originally by: Murukan you're in an alliance with snigg the very definition of emo "omg ccp took our cookies this game is so unfair cry cry cry." so you're one to talk. Good thing you can shoot your mouth off on forums without ever undocking, eh. Muru has no problems undocking.
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.10.14 21:19:00 - [89] Class / Kills / Losses Battleship / 1218 / 78 Carrier / 50 / 5 Dreadnought / 40 / 2 Mothership / 2 / 1 Titan / 0 / 1 Hmmmmmm.....The coalition that attacked IAC, and let's keep our numbers conservative, consisted of 4500 pilots. BOB,FIX,MC ant all the other involved were many many more though im sure we can all agree on that. MC was roughly 500 of those. So to be realistic you can attribute yourself 1/9th of the kills you would have made if it was only your pilots on the killmails. So the real figures are: Battleship / 135 / 78 Carrier / 6 / 5 Dreadnought / 4 / 2 Mothership / 0 / 1 Titan / 0 / 1 Add to that countless HACs and command ships your pilots like to fly but you carefully ommited pointing out the K/D ratio on those. You know why ;) -------------SIG STARTS HERE------------- Chaining BoBo in south Feyth: Your Neutron Blaster Cannon II perfectly strikes Dukath [EVOL]<BOB>(Vindicator), wrecking for 741.0 damage.
Malcore Trisus Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.14 21:33:00 - [90] Originally by: Murukan Originally by: Gneeznow SHC is for emo clowns who cant take the heat of CAOD you're in an alliance with snigg the very definition of emo "omg ccp took our cookies this game is so unfair cry cry cry." so you're one to talk. If you¦re talking about the Mulla thing, we¦ve been over that for a while... If you¦re talking about some other random drama, well then I really have no idea. Then again, I¦m pretty sure NESW doesn¦t have anything to do with whatever you could be talking about.

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