Originally by: KIATolon

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Chowdown, if you use your t

Originally by: Lasakywa

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Were you paid ?

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: Lasakywa

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Were you paid ?

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I think H74 was the reward but I might be wrong.

- Gob

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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This is gonna be off-topic but:

What is it with SHC? Its rubbish. I've visited the forums and they are so *yawn*. Its like a stuffy private members club where the old boys sit around and smoke cigars and pat themselves on the back for being moderate and respectful to eachother. It is also bordering circlejerk territory where the GBC can post without fear of having to deal with the goons.

CAOD is real.. its dirty, its smelly, its vicious as hell .. oh yeah it gets tiring but its REAL.

SHC is beh...... if I wanna read an equivalent of a high-brow broadsheet.. where everybody is prim and proper I'll buy The Independent. Not that I care that much.. just wanted to get that off my chest.

Sorry for the outburst .. pls continue the debate about MC being on 'vacation'.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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This is gonna be off-topic but:

What is it with SHC? Its rubbish. I've visited the forums and they are so *yawn*. Its like a stuffy private members club where the old boys sit around and smoke cigars and pat themselves on the back for being moderate and respectful to eachother. It is also bordering circlejerk territory where the GBC can post without fear of having to deal with the goons.

CAOD is real.. its dirty, its smelly, its vicious as hell .. oh yeah it gets tiring but its REAL.

SHC is beh...... if I wanna read an equivalent of a high-brow broadsheet.. where everybody is prim and proper I'll buy The Independent. Not that I care that much.. just wanted to get that off my chest.

Sorry for the outburst .. pls continue the debate about MC being on 'vacation'.

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Originally by: gicaduru

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Ahahahahahahaha. BoB, get running!

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Originally by: DoctorGonzo

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So what your saying is that CAOD is like reading The News of the World in a council estate working mens club, where as SHC is like reading The Times in a Mayfair gentlemans club?

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: Lasakywa

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Were you paid ?

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I think H74 was the reward but I might be wrong.

- Gob

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When did H74 change from BoB hands to MC hands? That would be telling.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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everybody has a voice

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Originally by: DoctorGonzo

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So what your saying is that CAOD is like reading The News of the World in a council estate working mens club, where as SHC is like reading The Times in a Mayfair gentlemans club?

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Quote:

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If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.

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Originally by: Darkstar BP

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BoB did not want that station anyway

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Originally by: Ivor Gunn

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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everybody has a voice

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And it's no different in SHC. All you have to do is hit register.

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Originally by: Deja Thoris, MC guy on SHC

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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu on SHC

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Interesting to hear. I'm wondering how long it will last till BoB hires you for another round, once they realise they can't do without you.

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CAOD is that way >>>>

HF MC everyone needs a break now and then

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Originally by: Ivor Gunn

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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everybody has a voice

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And it's no different in SHC. All you have to do is hit register.

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Originally by: coeathal vega

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Originally by: Darkstar BP

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BoB did not want that station anyway

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H74 didnt change hands from BoB. But I guess you know better...

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Originally by: coeathal vega

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Originally by: Darkstar BP

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BoB did not want that station anyway

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H74 didnt change hands from BoB. But I guess you know better...

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K .. but it did belong to BoB at one point... whats the timeline?

BoB give it back to you and then you had to pay MC for their services with a station? So you hired MC to help save Querious and help establish a bulkhead in Catch? Is that what you are saying?

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Originally by: Seleene

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Edited by: Seleene on 14/10/2007 16:05:29


You forgot the banner, alt.


Nez, I made the post there because I felt like it. That's about it. I might have copied it over here after dinner, but oh well. Seriously, the search for drama here is a bit much, don't you think?

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Originally by: Pesadel0

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I think nez we just like SHC because you don¦t post there, about why or what is wrong with fix since you left them.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Originally by: coeathal vega

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Originally by: Darkstar BP

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BoB did not want that station anyway

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H74 didnt change hands from BoB. But I guess you know better...

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K .. but it did belong to BoB at one point... whats the timeline?

BoB give it back to you and then you had to pay MC for their services with a station? So you hired MC to help save Querious and help establish a bulkhead in Catch? Is that what you are saying?

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Originally by: Sophie Rebecca

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A swing and a miss.


I'll give you some hints,

GTU
After IAC had been there 2 months
Just before MC started full ops

Thats the only bit to tell im affraid, its a bit far off your wild speculation and not as dramatic im affraid.

Put simply MC were given H74 to fo what Seleene has posted and they have done it.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Originally by: Pesadel0

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I think nez we just like SHC because you don¦t post there, about why or what is wrong with fix since you left them.

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I am omnipotence itself. With the power of my words I forge divisions within the EVE community. Bow before me and tremble, rejoice that I do not reveal the full extent of my forum whoring... which would inevitably result in a total internets blackout.

Now begone peasant.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Originally by: Sophie Rebecca

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A swing and a miss.


I'll give you some hints,

GTU
After IAC had been there 2 months
Just before MC started full ops

Thats the only bit to tell im affraid, its a bit far off your wild speculation and not as dramatic im affraid.

Put simply MC were given H74 to fo what Seleene has posted and they have done it.

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Whatever.... you failed to answer the question.

Who's property was H74 to give to MC as payment for their services?

If it was FIX, then it was they who 'hired' MC.

If it was BoB, then they 'hired' MC.

Its pretty simple. No drama required. Just question that can or cannot be answered.. couldn't really give a monkey's crutch either way.

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Originally by: Moonlight Express

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Just waiting for all the coalition that were insulting MC over the years to start lining up with contract offers agains BoB, like nothing ever happened.

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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There's no such thing as playing too much EvE!
You all obviously need more accounts!

Originally by: Pesadel0

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No man your just a angry man that needs to get some perspective and try to be/do something in eve,fight fix, or i dunno let it go?

I just think you are a angry man,intelligent one that, i really like to read sometimes,but you can be one off the worst trolls here.

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Originally by: Sophie Rebecca

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Two months go by and MC are given the station and XXL by BOB to pay for said contract.

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Originally by: Zoltaris

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Bah, i'm sure BoB will have a new juicy contract for MC starting this week

This look like its either a way for MC to get more money (or assets/territory?) from BoB because the war is costing them too much or its an attempt to get out of it

Either way, it's a well played card from MC

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Originally by: Gneeznow

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SHC is for emo clowns who cant take the heat of CAOD

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Originally by: Testosterone Bomb

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Actually it makes perfect sense for MC. They have shown that they like to Pew Pew and attack.

Thats very different then having to commit to a long term contract as an occupation force.

What is funny is that non of the other players working with BoB are expecting systems or stations for their time. That is unless BoB is turning over all the stations they have gained in Catch to their Allies that lack sov without any expectation of rent or fees.

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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu

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Originally by: Gneeznow

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SHC is for emo clowns who cant take the heat of CAOD

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Speak for yourself.

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Originally by: Kryztal

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Good job guys

Those numbers show why MC is number 1 in the merc industry. Class guys and had good fun working with them during this campaign

.... i dont have a shc account.

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Originally by: Avernus

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That's assuming that the contract was to destroy IAC. Wouldn't the end of this contract make more sense if instead the stations in lower Catch were the objective?

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Originally by: Lianlan Lou

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Originally by: Avernus

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That's assuming that the contract was to destroy IAC. Wouldn't the end of this contract make more sense if instead the stations in lower Catch were the objective?

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You do remember all the talk about a steamroller right?

i'm paraphrasing here but it was along the lines of "we're going to steamroll over IAC, and -A- then goons"

Anything short of wiping IAC off the map is a failure for MC imo. Any attmept for a FIXion to spin it otherwise is sad.

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Originally by: Cotton Tail

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Nice stats MC, just further goes to show how great an asset you guys are for any side needing support in a conflict.

Only question though is I thought you entered this war not as a contract but because the coalition had a go at your home systems (killing a baby hel i think it was?) and if my memory is correct you then made a post saying that you were entering the war not as mercs but fighting to protect your home? If so when did this contract actually start being a contract, rather than helping your allies?

Either way, enjoy your down time, clearly you guys earnt it.

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Originally by: Lianlan Lou

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I hope this contract was worth it, idk what MC's going rate is, or what they value the H74 system at. Losing two supercaps over the course of 3 months... seems like they probably lost isk on this contract (if they hadn't been able to loot the wrecks of those they were being paid to kill at least).

MC is really backed into a corner here, on one hand they have their reputation to consider, IAC has now survived THREE MC CONTRACTS against them. K/D ratio matters to nobody except people who need to inflate their internet-ego/e-peen because they failed to actually accomplish their objective. People comment in this thread "nice stats" and I laugh, The only stat that matters is that IAC still has 6 stations, MC didn't even cause them to lose HALF of their stations.

On the other hand, MC has their 'merc status' to be concerned with. They know that by taking this contract, half of eve will probably never consider hiring them. The H74 station can't possibly be worth the OVER 80billion (in just the two supercaps) in losses MC suffered. That is no way to run a business. By pulling out of this war they can, in some way, try to tell people "Hey look, we're just mercs. When bob didn't want to pay us any more, we stopped working for them." To some people, they idea that MC are merc's is gone completely, and their opinion can't be changed. To all those that thought MC had a shred of mercenary still in them, this will reinforce that idea.

Either way: GOOD JOB IAC for surviving yet another MC contract, this is no small feat, and you are to be congratulated

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Originally by: Gneeznow

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SHC is for emo clowns who cant take the heat of CAOD

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Originally by: Comstr

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Three times MC has been hired to take IAC's stations...and three times they have declared victory...and gone home.

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Originally by: Murukan

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Originally by: Gneeznow

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SHC is for emo clowns who cant take the heat of CAOD

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you're in an alliance with snigg the very definition of emo "omg ccp took our cookies this game is so unfair *cry cry cry*." so you're one to talk.

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Originally by: Seleene

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Nez, I made the post there because I felt like it. That's about it. I might have copied it over here after dinner, but oh well. Seriously, the search for drama here is a bit much, don't you think?

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Originally by: dev1lwoman

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Class / Kills / Losses

Battleship / 1218 / 78
Carrier / 50 / 5
Dreadnought / 40 / 2
Mothership / 2 / 1
Titan / 0 / 1

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Originally by: Vaustrien

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Originally by: dev1lwoman

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Class / Kills / Losses

Battleship / 1218 / 78
Carrier / 50 / 5
Dreadnought / 40 / 2
Mothership / 2 / 1
Titan / 0 / 1

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I'm sure MC are good PvPers, and those appear to be impressive numbers, but unless I'm mistaken this has the same faults as anyone who just quotes their killboards due to mixed gangs.

If a 100-man gang including 1 MC guy goes out and attacks another 100-man IAC gang, each side kills 50, and the MC guy dies, the MC killboards will report the MC guy's death and as many ship kills where the MC guy's guns were blasting during the fight (could be 10-20+ depending on whether the MC guy was primaried early).

Until each side takes every single ally that participates in a war and has them all post all their kills/deaths as a whole the numbers are going to be very, very slanted.

I'm sure MC are good PvPers, but the numbers make them look WAAAAY good.

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Originally by: Lianlan Lou

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Originally by: Avernus

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That's assuming that the contract was to destroy IAC. Wouldn't the end of this contract make more sense if instead the stations in lower Catch were the objective?

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You do remember all the talk about a steamroller right?

i'm paraphrasing here but it was along the lines of "we're going to steamroll over IAC, and -A- then goons"

Anything short of wiping IAC off the map is a failure for MC imo. Any attmept for a FIXion to spin it otherwise is sad.

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Originally by: Montaire

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I feel the need to post somthing here for all the people who are going to say "MC would never take a contract against BOB!" or other variations on that theme.

You need three things to get MC to take your contract. I'll try and spell them out for you.

1. ISK - You will need a lot of money. Billions, probably tens of billions of ISK, so bring your gold card.

2. A Main - if you want to deal with the MC, you do it with your main. If you dont have the brass to evemail the MC with your main then give up now. You are going to be trusting these guys will a sizeable chunk of assets, start off on the right foot.

3. A plan. Here is where most people fail. ASCN said to MC "Here is a blank check - HELP!" This, frankly, will not work. You need a starting, middle and end point. MC are not 'regulars' and they are not a police force. Think of them as the tip of the spear, a cadre of shock troops and you are on the right track.

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Originally by: Xrensa

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Originally by: Murukan

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Originally by: Gneeznow

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SHC is for emo clowns who cant take the heat of CAOD

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you're in an alliance with snigg the very definition of emo "omg ccp took our cookies this game is so unfair *cry cry cry*." so you're one to talk.

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if you're referring to the farscape banning, you can't seriously believe that was fair.

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Originally by: Montaire

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3. A plan. Here is where most people fail. ASCN said to MC "Here is a blank check - HELP!" This, frankly, will not work. You need a starting, middle and end point. MC are not 'regulars' and they are not a police force. Think of them as the tip of the spear, a cadre of shock troops and you are on the right track.

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Originally by: marketBoy1

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The funniest part of this thread is that people are using operative terms such as "contracted" and "hired".

Everyone knows that MC was not hired to defend BOB, they are allies protecting their territory. Why did this "contract" expire? MC knows that BOB is about to be beaten into the ground like a red headed stepchild. MC would surely not care to lose in this manner, so a "contract" expiration is the easiest way to duck out.

Seleene never has been anything other than an ego maniacal muppet.

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Originally by: Murukan

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you're in an alliance with snigg the very definition of emo "omg ccp took our cookies this game is so unfair *cry cry cry*." so you're one to talk.

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Originally by: Shadoo

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Originally by: Murukan

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you're in an alliance with snigg the very definition of emo "omg ccp took our cookies this game is so unfair *cry cry cry*." so you're one to talk.

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Good thing you can shoot your mouth off on forums without ever undocking, eh.

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Originally by: Murukan

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Originally by: Gneeznow

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SHC is for emo clowns who cant take the heat of CAOD

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you're in an alliance with snigg the very definition of emo "omg ccp took our cookies this game is so unfair *cry cry cry*." so you're one to talk.

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Originally by: Haargoth Agamar

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Originally by: Shadoo

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Originally by: Murukan

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you're in an alliance with snigg the very definition of emo "omg ccp took our cookies this game is so unfair *cry cry cry*." so you're one to talk.

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Good thing you can shoot your mouth off on forums without ever undocking, eh.

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Muru has no problems undocking.

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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd

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Originally by: Haargoth Agamar

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Originally by: Shadoo

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Originally by: Murukan

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you're in an alliance with snigg the very definition of emo "omg ccp took our cookies this game is so unfair *cry cry cry*." so you're one to talk.

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Good thing you can shoot your mouth off on forums without ever undocking, eh.

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Muru has no problems undocking.

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yes, the scope would know.

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Originally by: Cador Mortaves

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Originally by: marketBoy1

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The funniest part of this thread is that people are using operative terms such as "contracted" and "hired".

Everyone knows that MC was not hired to defend BOB, they are allies protecting their territory. Why did this "contract" expire? MC knows that BOB is about to be beaten into the ground like a red headed stepchild. MC would surely not care to lose in this manner, so a "contract" expiration is the easiest way to duck out.

Seleene never has been anything other than an ego maniacal muppet.

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Really? 'Everyone knows' ? ..wauw. That's really impressive - So tell me, when did these omnipotent mindreading delusions start?

'MC knows' - ...This is fantastic! You dictate what MC know?? This is truly sensational. I mean we're not talking about some random opinion on what you think, or what you think MC think. We're talking about you telling and deciding what MC knows and how they feel.

In fact, you seem to have several people just like you, stretched out as far as the eye can see in this thread. All claiming things like "MC knows that they can't win, so they are trying to save themselves!" or "MC knows that half of EVE won't hire them because of all of this" - Just...amazing, okay?
*puts on commentator voice* Here we have an abundance of people not only deciding what MC think, feel and KNOW!! But they also speak for *dramatic pose of comprehension* HALF THE EVE UNIVERSE! THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! IN THE FIRM MENTAL RULE OF THESE OMNIPOTENT BEINGS! *que fantastic presentation music*

We'll be right back after these commercials! where marketBoy1 will tell YOU! *points at the person reading this* whether or not you even know your own name, and he will be deciding if quantum mechanics has even been discovered yet, or if we have a lot of scientists we need to execute for defying him!

*end sarcasm*
Really..how stupid do you have to be, to even say that crap you did marketBoy1? Don't tell me, you even managed to keep a straight face through the whole ordeal. My god man...

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Originally by: Haargoth Agamar

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Originally by: vipeer

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Class / Kills / Losses

Battleship / 1218 / 78
Carrier / 50 / 5
Dreadnought / 40 / 2
Mothership / 2 / 1
Titan / 0 / 1

Hmmmmmm.....The coalition that attacked IAC, and let's keep our numbers conservative, consisted of 4500 pilots. BOB,FIX,MC ant all the other involved were many many more though im sure we can all agree on that. MC was roughly 500 of those. So to be realistic you can attribute yourself 1/9th of the kills you would have made if it was only your pilots on the killmails.
So the real figures are:
Battleship / 135 / 78
Carrier / 6 / 5
Dreadnought / 4 / 2
Mothership / 0 / 1
Titan / 0 / 1

Add to that countless HACs and command ships your pilots like to fly but you carefully ommited pointing out the K/D ratio on those. You know why ;)

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Because all alliances were equally involved right? And go look on their killboard they lost 51 HAC's and 12 command ships and killed 120 HAC's and 42 command ships, stop grasping at straws.

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Originally by: vipeer

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Im off to bed now. Someone wish me sweet dreams please ;)

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Originally by: wicked cheese

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hmmm my isk is on MC getting hired by youwhat to take down TRI.

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Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd

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Originally by: Cador Mortaves

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Awesome post

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have you really missed seleene posts over the past year stating how they weren't going to fight against people who were giving them 0.0 "turf" because it wouldn't be in their best interest?

have you missed the forum leakage of late, where seleene kinda confirmed the leaks were what was actually said and a lot of the things you're being smart-assed about, well, have been confirmed as truth by him/her?

seriously?

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Originally by: Montaire

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I feel the need to post somthing here for all the people who are going to say "MC would never take a contract against BOB!" or other variations on that theme.

You need three things to get MC to take your contract. I'll try and spell them out for you.

1. ISK - You will need a lot of money. Billions, probably tens of billions of ISK, so bring your gold card.

2. A Main - if you want to deal with the MC, you do it with your main. If you dont have the brass to evemail the MC with your main then give up now. You are going to be trusting these guys will a sizeable chunk of assets, start off on the right foot.

3. A plan. Here is where most people fail. ASCN said to MC "Here is a blank check - HELP!" This, frankly, will not work. You need a starting, middle and end point. MC are not 'regulars' and they are not a police force. Think of them as the tip of the spear, a cadre of shock troops and you are on the right track.

Once you have all three of those in hand, then you can move forward. Approach this like a fleet engagment, get all the intel you can and take some time to plan. Work out exactly what you are going to do, and what you need the MC to do. Work up an operational schedule and get a firm commitment from your team to stick with it.

The MC can be used to seige towers and take stations. They can also be used to lock down a transit pipe or do general area denial tactics. Knowing which of these you need is important.

Also get your allies on board. Its not going to do you any good to hire MC and then have your allies screw it up by attacking MC stations for funsies.

Finally don't think in terms of "Hiring MC to fight BOB" - because MC is not regular troops, they cant fight ANYONE for you. Just for me, if I were inclined to have The MC help out vs BOB I would probably start by hiring the MC to lockdown every 0.0 pipe into Querious. Combine that with MC empire wardecs vs known GBC logistical allies and we have a great starting point.

Having said all that, I do not represent or speak for MC. I dont even know them - but I am sick of all this "Why doesnt MC fight BOB" sewage that gets spewed. You want MC to fight BOB ? Get your isk together and come up with a plan, and I'd imagine you would be just another customer, no matter who the mark is.

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Originally by: Lianlan Lou

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The H74 station can't possibly be worth the OVER 80billion (in just the two supercaps) in losses MC suffered.

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Originally by: x racer

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I was told 30% of all ship loses (forever) to MC meausured in isk was over the last 60 days. Yes, yes, I know the Titan loss skews the stat.

If this is true, no wonder MC has to bow out for a bit.

What happens when RAGOONS are able to put so many people into a system across all time zones that literally nobody can jump/cyno in and fight cuz of the lag? I would guess that if RAGOONS can put 600 players in a system is the minimum threshold, 800 would do it for sure.

x

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Originally by: Nicho Void

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This thread is like a chum slick for forum alt trolls.

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Originally by: DoctorGonzo

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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This is gonna be off-topic but:

What is it with SHC? Its rubbish. I've visited the forums and they are so *yawn*. Its like a stuffy private members club where the old boys sit around and smoke cigars and pat themselves on the back for being moderate and respectful to eachother. It is also bordering circlejerk territory where the GBC can post without fear of having to deal with the goons.

CAOD is real.. its dirty, its smelly, its vicious as hell .. oh yeah it gets tiring but its REAL.

SHC is beh...... if I wanna read an equivalent of a high-brow broadsheet.. where everybody is prim and proper I'll buy The Independent. Not that I care that much.. just wanted to get that off my chest.

Sorry for the outburst .. pls continue the debate about MC being on 'vacation'.

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So what your saying is that CAOD is like reading The News of the World in a council estate working mens club, where as SHC is like reading The Times in a Mayfair gentlemans club?

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Originally by: Rukaz

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After some quality Hulk time MC?
:P

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Originally by: Karmic

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BDCI are for sure :P Seleene has been commenting on the size of the Veld roids around h74 for the last couple of weeks.

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Originally by: Damir36

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Edited by: Damir36 on 15/10/2007 09:31:27
LOL at MC Statistics...

I could probably quote our Killboard that shows 20 Billion ISK more damage inflicted to MC by -A- alone than they did to us or I could quote any other Killboard and find the right statistic to make us look good. Killboardstatistics are never objektive. It is a sad story that a Mercanary Force has to brag with skewed statistics where on most of the Killmails only a few MC are listet.

I always knew you where good Fighters and it should be enough to rely on your reputation. This rigged statistics has for me the taste of desperation. Do you really need this to keep the Morale of your Members up?
Then Good Luck to you, you will need it Seleene.

Edit: This Killboardstats may have worked for you when you (MC) where a single Entity operating alone. Then it was impressive because everyone realised that only MC Pilots where involved in the kills. But doing this in a Multicorp/Alliance war is pathetic!

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Originally by: Raem Civrie

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No mercenary corporation in EVE has ever made a respectable, primary income from contract fees. The money always comes from somewhere else.

I doubt the two supercaps inhibited them much financially. It's not the loss of money that was significant, but the manhours spent providing logistics and infrastructure to build them. And an extra station means, technically speaking, a chance for improved logistics.

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Originally by: Rukaz

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MC were hired to push IAC out of Querious and form a beachhead in catch. Did they achieve this? The answer to that question defines if the last MC campaign was a success or failure.

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Originally by: Comstr

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Originally by: Rukaz

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MC were hired to push IAC out of Querious and form a beachhead in catch. Did they achieve this? The answer to that question defines if the last MC campaign was a success or failure.

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ORLY?

BoB was telling IT'S members that MC was hired as part of the great Steamroller campaign to remove IAC from Catch. Either MC pulled out too early (not paid enough? Ran out of ships?), or BoB was lying to it's own members and pets.

Granted, BoB with the might of ISS, -V- and CoW could well be enough to take the remaining 6 stations of IAC...while the southern pets all die to Red Swarm Federation and the Old North attacks FIX and/or Fountain again.

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Originally by: Comstr

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Originally by: Rukaz

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MC were hired to push IAC out of Querious and form a beachhead in catch. Did they achieve this? The answer to that question defines if the last MC campaign was a success or failure.

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ORLY?

BoB was telling IT'S members that MC was hired as part of the great Steamroller campaign to remove IAC from Catch. Either MC pulled out too early (not paid enough? Ran out of ships?), or BoB was lying to it's own members and pets.

Granted, BoB with the might of ISS, -V- and CoW could well be enough to take the remaining 6 stations of IAC...while the southern pets all die to Red Swarm Federation and the Old North attacks FIX and/or Fountain again.

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Originally by: Gontard

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Lol @ -a- comments on killboard statistics. As long -a- post about 50% of their losses their kb stats are irrelevant. But that's how it works when you logoffsky a lot and forget to post the mail when you log back in.

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Originally by: dev1lwoman

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Battleship / 1218 / 78
Carrier / 50 / 5
Dreadnought / 40 / 2
Mothership / 2 / 1
Titan / 0 / 1

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Originally by: Heikki

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Originally by: dev1lwoman

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Battleship / 1218 / 78
Carrier / 50 / 5
Dreadnought / 40 / 2
Mothership / 2 / 1
Titan / 0 / 1

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Did some testing of zerosum-killboards concept.

Couldn't figure way to get specific campaign from MC's killboard (amelia at podbase), so did just retrieve 3000 latests killmails (from 47194 to 49150), excluding Capsules. The period runs from 2007.09.17 to 2007.10.14.

Among those, MC official stats (calculated as above) would be:
Killed / lost = 1911 / 211 , eff=90%
BS: killed / lost = 470 / 24, eff=95%

If we use zerosum principle (that is, if 3 of 10 killers are from MC, then MC is reward 30% of the kill), we have:

Fraction: killed / lost = 781.0 / 211 (41% participation), eff=79%
Fraction BS: killed / lost = 148.0 / 24 (31% participation), eff=86%

So, on average kill on this sample 40% were from MC, rest were from other alliances. Though BSes were tough nut; for these MC had more than two thirds of killers from other alliances.

Still pretty ok efficiencys, assuming MC mostly fought against PVP enemies.

-Lasse
a Perlian

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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This is gonna be off-topic but:

What is it with SHC? Its rubbish. I've visited the forums and they are so *yawn*. Its like a stuffy private members club where the old boys sit around and smoke cigars and pat themselves on the back for being moderate and respectful to eachother. It is also bordering circlejerk territory where the GBC can post without fear of having to deal with the goons.

CAOD is real.. its dirty, its smelly, its vicious as hell .. oh yeah it gets tiring but its REAL.

SHC is beh...... if I wanna read an equivalent of a high-brow broadsheet.. where everybody is prim and proper I'll buy The Independent. Not that I care that much.. just wanted to get that off my chest.

Sorry for the outburst .. pls continue the debate about MC being on 'vacation'.

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Originally by: Stoned Celt

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Without its allies IAC would be up s**t creek without a paddle.

IAC seem to rely on cavalry, in the form of other alliances, turning up to save their asses and then declaring that "we" fought them off again. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the "old north" to realise that you are just not worth it.

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Originally by: Hellaciouss

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Originally by: Stoned Celt

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Without its allies IAC would be up s**t creek without a paddle.

IAC seem to rely on cavalry, in the form of other alliances, turning up to save their asses and then declaring that "we" fought them off again. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the "old north" to realise that you are just not worth it.

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Cause it's only one alliance attacking IAC at the moment, right?

What grand alliance are you in that can take on the combined cap fleet of MC/BoB/RISE/AXE/ISS/Others alone?

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Originally by: Johnny ReeRee

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Originally by: Hellaciouss

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Originally by: Stoned Celt

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Without its allies IAC would be up s**t creek without a paddle.

IAC seem to rely on cavalry, in the form of other alliances, turning up to save their asses and then declaring that "we" fought them off again. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the "old north" to realise that you are just not worth it.

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Cause it's only one alliance attacking IAC at the moment, right?

What grand alliance are you in that can take on the combined cap fleet of MC/BoB/RISE/AXE/ISS/Others alone?

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Should have thought of that when you and your allies decided to try gang-banging FIX. You had a month with 3-1 odds on them -- and failed.

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Originally by: Johnny ReeRee

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Should have thought of that when you and your allies decided to try gang-banging FIX. You had a month with 3-1 odds on them -- and failed.

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Originally by: Orree

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One of the highlights of CAOD has always been MC's "End of Contract" reports. What does it say about how things are around here that Seleene doesn't even want to post them here anymore.

It's a shame that a third party forum offers a better environment for "CAOD" type discussions than CAOD does. This is what you should be railing about, to be honest.

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Originally by: Johnny ReeRee

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Originally by: Hellaciouss

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Originally by: Stoned Celt

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Without its allies IAC would be up s**t creek without a paddle.

IAC seem to rely on cavalry, in the form of other alliances, turning up to save their asses and then declaring that "we" fought them off again. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the "old north" to realise that you are just not worth it.

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Cause it's only one alliance attacking IAC at the moment, right?

What grand alliance are you in that can take on the combined cap fleet of MC/BoB/RISE/AXE/ISS/Others alone?

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Should have thought of that when you and your allies decided to try gang-banging FIX. You had a month with 3-1 odds on them -- and failed.

MC will retire from the field, AAA will recapture the stations, and IAC will declare victory! Yay for IAC! Another victory!

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Originally by: Orree

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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This is gonna be off-topic but:

What is it with SHC? Its rubbish. I've visited the forums and they are so *yawn*. Its like a stuffy private members club where the old boys sit around and smoke cigars and pat themselves on the back for being moderate and respectful to eachother. It is also bordering circlejerk territory where the GBC can post without fear of having to deal with the goons.

CAOD is real.. its dirty, its smelly, its vicious as hell .. oh yeah it gets tiring but its REAL.

SHC is beh...... if I wanna read an equivalent of a high-brow broadsheet.. where everybody is prim and proper I'll buy The Independent. Not that I care that much.. just wanted to get that off my chest.

Sorry for the outburst .. pls continue the debate about MC being on 'vacation'.

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It's unfortunate that an over-abundance of "crap" tends to get in the way of good discussions here in this forum...so much so that people are leaving in droves and only the smackers, spammers and "alts" tend to be heard here.

One of the highlights of CAOD has always been MC's "End of Contract" reports. What does it say about how things are around here that Seleene doesn't even want to post them here anymore.



It's a shame that a third party forum offers a better environment for "CAOD" type discussions than CAOD does. This is what you should be railing about, to be honest.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Just to add also..

Whats also very funny is that one of the biggest trolls in the history of EVE also hides there, going by the name of Lallante.

Reciever of a perma-ban on CAOD long ago.

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Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt

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Yup, I couldn't agree more.CCP could get a hold of it with agressive forum moderation, but they chose to let it go. Thats what you get when you let the Goons and Goon like in...

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt

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Yup, I couldn't agree more.CCP could get a hold of it with agressive forum moderation, but they chose to let it go. Thats what you get when you let the Goons and Goon like in...

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And there you have it.. straight from the horse's mouth... or an alt's mouth.. or is that BoB's mouth. Perhaps its a donkey's mouth.

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Originally by: Riddlock

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If lallente is a troll, you are....

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt

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Yup, I couldn't agree more.CCP could get a hold of it with agressive forum moderation, but they chose to let it go. Thats what you get when you let the Goons and Goon like in...

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And there you have it.. straight from the horse's mouth... or an alt's mouth.. or is that BoB's mouth. Perhaps its a donkey's mouth.

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Originally by: Shark Dikari

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I am reading 9/10 on the annoyance meter.

Please. Go away.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Edited by: Nez Perces on 15/10/2007 18:58:36

Originally by: Orree

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One of the highlights of CAOD has always been MC's "End of Contract" reports. What does it say about how things are around here that Seleene doesn't even want to post them here anymore.

It's a shame that a third party forum offers a better environment for "CAOD" type discussions than CAOD does. This is what you should be railing about, to be honest.

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I call bu11-5h17.

Lets examine a trend here..

Once upon a time not too long ago (particularly during the ASCN war) these forums were practically ruled by what has now become the core of the GBC. BoB would grandstand (something which I've always enjoyed) and use CAOD as another weapon in their formidable arsenal.

MC would make end of contract reports and bask in the glory of adulation from the CAOD multitudes. MC could do no wrong.

Oh my how the tables have turned.

BoB is still practically silent on these boards and MC think that CAOD just isnt high-brow enough for their awesome killboard statistics.

Something has gone horribly wrong.. CAOD has changed... wooooo.. scary... I wonder what it is?

What next.. will the GBC petition for a separate server where they will be treated with the proper respect that they deserve.

Spare the crocodile tears for Cyvok, a text book example of character assasination right here on CAOD. A character assasination I was quite happy to partake in at the time, primarily because I had dealt with him at an alliance level and did not really like his style.

SHC may be a forum of worth for heavy discussion of EVE politics... its not SHC that I have a problem with. Hippoking had a hand in its creation and he is a smart cookie.

What I take issue with is that MC and BoB are practically hiding there from negative press.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Just to add also..

Whats also very funny is that one of the biggest trolls in the history of EVE also hides there, going by the name of Lallante.

Reciever of a perma-ban on CAOD long ago.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Just to add also..

Whats also very funny is that one of the biggest trolls in the history of EVE also hides there, going by the name of Lallante.

Reciever of a perma-ban on CAOD long ago.

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Originally by: Orree

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Just to add also..

Whats also very funny is that one of the biggest trolls in the history of EVE also hides there, going by the name of Lallante.

Reciever of a perma-ban on CAOD long ago.

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Very good point, as well. At least as far as I have noticed, there doesn't seem to be the same problem on SHC. Go figure.

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Originally by: Agillious

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You troll a poster, acknowledging they cannot post here...

Do you take lollipops from 4 year olds? I hear they don't fight back either.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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However... what happens is that you then get certain entites going there to make sure they don't get a taste of the same medicine they handed out to others in the past.. or to relive the glory days when they could post their achievements without getting verbally steamrollered by their opponents.

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Quote:

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Four stations in lower Catch have been taken by BoB with a fifth in F4R changing hands just as soon as the sov ticker finishes clicking.

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Originally by: Johnny ReeRee

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Originally by: Hellaciouss

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Originally by: Stoned Celt

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Without its allies IAC would be up s**t creek without a paddle.

IAC seem to rely on cavalry, in the form of other alliances, turning up to save their asses and then declaring that "we" fought them off again. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the "old north" to realise that you are just not worth it.

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Cause it's only one alliance attacking IAC at the moment, right?

What grand alliance are you in that can take on the combined cap fleet of MC/BoB/RISE/AXE/ISS/Others alone?

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Should have thought of that when you and your allies decided to try gang-banging FIX. You had a month with 3-1 odds on them -- and failed.

MC will retire from the field, AAA will recapture the stations, and IAC will declare victory! Yay for IAC! Another victory!

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Originally by: dev1lwoman

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POSTED BY Seleene on SHC

.....with a fifth in F4R changing hands just as soon as the sov ticker finishes clicking.

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Originally by: Mannakin

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Edited by: Mannakin on 15/10/2007 22:44:17

Originally by: dev1lwoman

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POSTED BY Seleene on SHC

.....with a fifth in F4R changing hands just as soon as the sov ticker finishes clicking.

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Really!?

Bah - Jimbob beat me to it!

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Originally by: Acid Man2

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...but IAC were the ones attacked (and gangbanged) first during Prohibition 1...

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Originally by: Ballping

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Sorry, but what is SHC?

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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This is gonna be off-topic but:

What is it with SHC? Its rubbish. I've visited the forums and they are so *yawn*. Its like a stuffy private members club where the old boys sit around and smoke cigars and pat themselves on the back for being moderate and respectful to eachother. It is also bordering circlejerk territory where the GBC can post without fear of having to deal with the goons.

CAOD is real.. its dirty, its smelly, its vicious as hell .. oh yeah it gets tiring but its REAL.

SHC is beh...... if I wanna read an equivalent of a high-brow broadsheet.. where everybody is prim and proper I'll buy The Independent. Not that I care that much.. just wanted to get that off my chest.

Sorry for the outburst .. pls continue the debate about MC being on 'vacation'.

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Originally by: Gneeznow

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SHC is for emo clowns who cant take the heat of CAOD

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Originally by: CommanderInChief

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with respect i dont think MC have or need anything to prove to anyone. Do They?

Any alliance that can move into any area do their stuff, claim sov and move out when the jobs done deserves the utmost respect IMO

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Originally by: Ivor Gunn

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Originally by: Ballping

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Sorry, but what is SHC?

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www.scrapheap-challenge.com

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Originally by: Toyler

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Originally by: CommanderInChief

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with respect i dont think MC have or need anything to prove to anyone. Do They?

Any alliance that can move into any area do their stuff, claim sov and move out when the jobs done deserves the utmost respect IMO

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Don't make it sound like they went in there and did it all by themselves. Do BoB, RISE, ISS et al deserve any less respect for their efforts? I'm not sure any of the alliances deserve special praise in this particular case...

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Originally by: Tevlent

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Edited by: Tevlent on 22/10/2007 20:23:59

Originally by: Toyler

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Originally by: CommanderInChief

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with respect i dont think MC have or need anything to prove to anyone. Do They?

Any alliance that can move into any area do their stuff, claim sov and move out when the jobs done deserves the utmost respect IMO

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Don't make it sound like they went in there and did it all by themselves. Do BoB, RISE, ISS et al deserve any less respect for their efforts? I'm not sure any of the alliances deserve special praise in this particular case...

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Lets see, RISE payed BoB 6 bil every month and they were around for 9 months? That means RISE gave BoB 54 Billion ISK and had to defend themselves against the hordes of invaders (blackops/PL for thier last month of life) with no direct BoB intervention in sight. I guess I should give RISE mad props for being stupid pubbies that should of stayed in Outer Ring. 54 BILLION isk and left out to rot. GG. I give my praise to RISE.

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Originally by: CommanderInChief

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Originally by: Tevlent

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Edited by: Tevlent on 22/10/2007 20:23:59

Originally by: Toyler

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Originally by: CommanderInChief

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with respect i dont think MC have or need anything to prove to anyone. Do They?

Any alliance that can move into any area do their stuff, claim sov and move out when the jobs done deserves the utmost respect IMO

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Don't make it sound like they went in there and did it all by themselves. Do BoB, RISE, ISS et al deserve any less respect for their efforts? I'm not sure any of the alliances deserve special praise in this particular case...

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Lets see, RISE payed BoB 6 bil every month and they were around for 9 months? That means RISE gave BoB 54 Billion ISK and had to defend themselves against the hordes of invaders (blackops/PL for thier last month of life) with no direct BoB intervention in sight. I guess I should give RISE mad props for being stupid pubbies that should of stayed in Outer Ring. 54 BILLION isk and left out to rot. GG. I give my praise to RISE.

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Thats nothing to do with the ability of MC is it?

Yes and I agree thats a bit ****ty, but isnt everyone doing that to each other? Blue lists infact are not worth the paper they are written on. Everyone suddenly doing resets and the shoot their old mates without a care after they have just spent months helping them, Northern Coalition do it, BoB have, Triumverate has with Prae.

Infact we help with security of vale but did we get standings with ppl like Razor and MM nope why cos they dont give a **** infact we was helping them whilst they were killing us.

Basicaly you can trust no one in eve NO ONE! Not even your closest friends. Or are they?

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Originally by: Securion Wolfheart

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1218 Battleships killed?
50 Carriers?!
40 Dreadnoughts?!?
and 2 Motherships on top of that?
(... and four stations taken...?)

Can this be confirmed in any way?

If so, this is the most epic win in the history of EVE. And no other alliance have lost so big in a fight ever in such a short time.

Good work IAC/Goon/RA/etc!

OMG. LOL.

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Originally by: Tevlent

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Edited by: Tevlent on 22/10/2007 20:23:59

Originally by: Toyler

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Originally by: CommanderInChief

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with respect i dont think MC have or need anything to prove to anyone. Do They?

Any alliance that can move into any area do their stuff, claim sov and move out when the jobs done deserves the utmost respect IMO

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Don't make it sound like they went in there and did it all by themselves. Do BoB, RISE, ISS et al deserve any less respect for their efforts? I'm not sure any of the alliances deserve special praise in this particular case...

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Lets see, RISE payed BoB 6 bil every month and they were around for 9 months? That means RISE gave BoB 54 Billion ISK and had to defend themselves against the hordes of invaders (blackops/PL for thier last month of life) with no direct BoB intervention in sight. I guess I should give RISE mad props for being stupid pubbies that should of stayed in Outer Ring. 54 BILLION isk and left out to rot. GG. I give my praise to RISE.

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Originally by: Calimor

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I have trust in my goon friends (faggots), they have been faithful for the past 7 years.

Did you know one time a forum member in the SA Forums was dying of cancer and in some days we managed to donate 10 thousand for him to do his crazy surgeries? It worked and he's alive now. True story.

Also we tried to donated stuff to the hurricane katrina victims but stupid paypal blocked it (check wikipedia for details)

How can you not trust such nice people?

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Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt

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Edited by: Jonathan Peterbilt on 23/10/2007 02:44:07

Originally by: Calimor

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I have trust in my goon friends (faggots), they have been faithful for the past 7 years.

Did you know one time a forum member in the SA Forums was dying of cancer and in some days we managed to donate 10 thousand for him to do his crazy surgeries? It worked and he's alive now. True story.

Also we tried to donated stuff to the hurricane katrina victims but stupid paypal blocked it (check wikipedia for details)

How can you not trust such nice people?

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I at the pubbie attempt to troll. Good trollers from DUI, sounds like an oxymoron to me.

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Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt

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Edited by: Jonathan Peterbilt on 23/10/2007 02:44:07

Originally by: Calimor

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I have trust in my goon friends (faggots), they have been faithful for the past 7 years.

Did you know one time a forum member in the SA Forums was dying of cancer and in some days we managed to donate 10 thousand for him to do his crazy surgeries? It worked and he's alive now. True story.

Also we tried to donated stuff to the hurricane katrina victims but stupid paypal blocked it (check wikipedia for details)

How can you not trust such nice people?

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I at the Goon attempt for positive PR. Good people from Something Awful, sounds like an oxymoron to me.

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Originally by: Jonathan Peterbilt

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Edited by: Jonathan Peterbilt on 23/10/2007 02:44:07

Originally by: Calimor

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I have trust in my goon friends (faggots), they have been faithful for the past 7 years.

Did you know one time a forum member in the SA Forums was dying of cancer and in some days we managed to donate 10 thousand for him to do his crazy surgeries? It worked and he's alive now. True story.

Also we tried to donated stuff to the hurricane katrina victims but stupid paypal blocked it (check wikipedia for details)

How can you not trust such nice people?

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I at the Goon attempt for positive PR. Good people from Something Awful, sounds like an oxymoron to me.

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Originally by: Vyres

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Yes its all pr spin because this actually did not happen and the money that was donated dosent exsist. BTW your a ****head for calling the people who gave people money bad. Die in a fire please maybe we will have a fund raiser to pay for your 3rd degree burns. You would proably look less of an ass head with all you skin melted off.

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