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Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.14 21:38:00 - [91] Originally by: Haargoth Agamar Originally by: Shadoo Originally by: Murukan you're in an alliance with snigg the very definition of emo "omg ccp took our cookies this game is so unfair cry cry cry." so you're one to talk. Good thing you can shoot your mouth off on forums without ever undocking, eh. Muru has no problems undocking. yes, the scope would know.
Haargoth Agamar Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.10.14 21:39:00 - [92] Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd Originally by: Haargoth Agamar Originally by: Shadoo Originally by: Murukan you're in an alliance with snigg the very definition of emo "omg ccp took our cookies this game is so unfair cry cry cry." so you're one to talk. Good thing you can shoot your mouth off on forums without ever undocking, eh. Muru has no problems undocking. yes, the scope would know. Just waiting for my app to another corp to get accepted. But you did give me a laugh considering what corp you are in.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.10.14 21:41:00 - [93] Originally by: Cador Mortaves Originally by: marketBoy1 The funniest part of this thread is that people are using operative terms such as "contracted" and "hired". Everyone knows that MC was not hired to defend BOB, they are allies protecting their territory. Why did this "contract" expire? MC knows that BOB is about to be beaten into the ground like a red headed stepchild. MC would surely not care to lose in this manner, so a "contract" expiration is the easiest way to duck out. Seleene never has been anything other than an ego maniacal muppet. Really? 'Everyone knows' ? ..wauw. That's really impressive - So tell me, when did these omnipotent mindreading delusions start? 'MC knows' - ...This is fantastic! You dictate what MC know?? This is truly sensational. I mean we're not talking about some random opinion on what you think, or what you think MC think. We're talking about you telling and deciding what MC knows and how they feel. In fact, you seem to have several people just like you, stretched out as far as the eye can see in this thread. All claiming things like "MC knows that they can't win, so they are trying to save themselves!" or "MC knows that half of EVE won't hire them because of all of this" - Just...amazing, okay? puts on commentator voice Here we have an abundance of people not only deciding what MC think, feel and KNOW!! But they also speak for dramatic pose of comprehension HALF THE EVE UNIVERSE! THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! IN THE FIRM MENTAL RULE OF THESE OMNIPOTENT BEINGS! que fantastic presentation music We'll be right back after these commercials! where marketBoy1 will tell YOU! points at the person reading this whether or not you even know your own name, and he will be deciding if quantum mechanics has even been discovered yet, or if we have a lot of scientists we need to execute for defying him! end sarcasm Really..how stupid do you have to be, to even say that crap you did marketBoy1? Don't tell me, you even managed to keep a straight face through the whole ordeal. My god man... have you really missed seleene posts over the past year stating how they weren't going to fight against people who were giving them 0.0 "turf" because it wouldn't be in their best interest? have you missed the forum leakage of late, where seleene kinda confirmed the leaks were what was actually said and a lot of the things you're being smart-assed about, well, have been confirmed as truth by him/her? seriously?
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.10.14 21:56:00 - [94] Originally by: Haargoth Agamar Originally by: vipeer Class / Kills / Losses Battleship / 1218 / 78 Carrier / 50 / 5 Dreadnought / 40 / 2 Mothership / 2 / 1 Titan / 0 / 1 Hmmmmmm.....The coalition that attacked IAC, and let's keep our numbers conservative, consisted of 4500 pilots. BOB,FIX,MC ant all the other involved were many many more though im sure we can all agree on that. MC was roughly 500 of those. So to be realistic you can attribute yourself 1/9th of the kills you would have made if it was only your pilots on the killmails. So the real figures are: Battleship / 135 / 78 Carrier / 6 / 5 Dreadnought / 4 / 2 Mothership / 0 / 1 Titan / 0 / 1 Add to that countless HACs and command ships your pilots like to fly but you carefully ommited pointing out the K/D ratio on those. You know why ;) Because all alliances were equally involved right? And go look on their killboard they lost 51 HAC's and 12 command ships and killed 120 HAC's and 42 command ships, stop grasping at straws. First of all: Grow some balls and post with your main. Second: Yes they were equally involved. BOB lost two fronts because they went all in. FIX was also all in since the battles were fought to secure their security. If you would peek at M.PIRE threadnaught you would see they deployed majority of their fleet and pets did the same. At lease a dozen other alliances sent various numbers of ppl to fight in Catch so yeah. They all were equally involved. Third: If you would bother to open the HAC and CBC killmails posted on MC killboard you would see that 4 out of 16 ppl on the killmail are actually MC and on the next 3 out of 14 are MC and on the next 1 out of 14 is MC and next 2 out of 6 are in MC and the next 2 out of 16 are in MC. The list goes on and on so before you start insulting me get your facts straight. On the other side if a MC HAC/CBC died all the credit and the cost of the loss goes directly to MC. Your argument would be valid if MC carried the majority of the assault and dished majority of damage which is not the case. Does this answer your rant? If not the answer can be provided tommorow after i get a good nights sleep. Im off to bed now. Someone wish me sweet dreams please ;) -------------SIG STARTS HERE------------- Chaining BoBo in south Feyth: Your Neutron Blaster Cannon II perfectly strikes Dukath [EVOL]<BOB>(Vindicator), wrecking for 741.0 damage.
x racer Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.14 21:59:00 - [95] I was told 30% of all ship loses (forever) to MC meausured in isk was over the last 60 days. Yes, yes, I know the Titan loss skews the stat. If this is true, no wonder MC has to bow out for a bit. What happens when RAGOONS are able to put so many people into a system across all time zones that literally nobody can jump/cyno in and fight cuz of the lag? I would guess that if RAGOONS can put 600 players in a system is the minimum threshold, 800 would do it for sure. x
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.10.14 22:00:00 - [96] Edited by: Nez Perces on 14/10/2007 22:00:54 Originally by: vipeer Im off to bed now. Someone wish me sweet dreams please ;) Good night, sweet dreams and don't let the bed bugs bite. SEE I'M ACTUALLY A NICE GUY !!! [edit:typo]
Kernel Sander Epiphyte Mining and Exploration Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.10.14 22:24:00 - [97] Originally by: wicked cheese hmmm my isk is on MC getting hired by youwhat to take down TRI. Wow. I have no idea if that's accurate, but if YW actually conracted MC to fight TRI alone (e.g. if YW kept their assets out of it) it would be absolutely fascinating to see. Both sides would probably find it immensely challenging. MC seems to have a bottomless supply of cap ships and they have been able to pick and choose PvPers for years now, but TRI have alot of heart, a ton of momentum and have proven themselves equal to every challenge they've encountered for quite some time. That said, YW probably wouldn't sit it out, and the combination of YW + MC would just overwhelm TRI with numbers, which isn't interesting at all (and TRI deserves better than to be spammed out of existence). Also, I can only assume that if RISE is really about to fall, then the calculus in the south has evolved to the point where BoB will want to lock MC down to another contract immediately since RAGoons in Omist means that BoB now shares a border with every major member of the coalition on top of a resurgent North sending fleets down to help out. --- THIS IS MY SIG. BUNNIES AND STUFF --- ----- INSERT ASCII AMIGA LOGO HERE -----
Tarantelita Ragna Rok Corp	Posted - 2007.10.14 22:30:00 - [98] Now is the time to test if MC would accept one contract against BoB. Put your hands in the wallet goonies! You have the isk from all your thousends of miner and missions runners. I like to see what kind of excuse MC will use to awoid one war with BoB.
Cador Mortaves Amarr Boreas Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.14 23:07:00 - [99] Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd Originally by: Cador Mortaves Awesome post have you really missed seleene posts over the past year stating how they weren't going to fight against people who were giving them 0.0 "turf" because it wouldn't be in their best interest? have you missed the forum leakage of late, where seleene kinda confirmed the leaks were what was actually said and a lot of the things you're being smart-assed about, well, have been confirmed as truth by him/her? seriously? O' rly? Where is this post where Seleene said that? Further more, even if such post exists, has he not also said that they'd be willing to fight BoB provided someone came up with the logistical resources, money and new territory it would require? I mean surely, new ideas can be made? Feelings and opinions can change aswell, yes? Or are you stuck in a static world where nothing changes? I hope not...for your own sake. I am not arguing for or against MC, because ultimately, MC decides what they do, think and feel. This is also what I am arguing. It is outright silly to even pretend to dictate what others know just because you personally think you have it all figured out. What made you so special all of a sudden to have an intimate insight in what MC and Seleene does, thinks and wants - that's right, you don't. I mean don't get me wrong, conspiracy theories and circumstantial evidence can be tied together in kinds of colorful ways, but it's just that...conspiracy THEORIES. Whereas the populace here seem to think it is quite evident to themselves and those around them, that they are specifically omnipotent and knowledgable in what EXACTLY goes on in the world of any alliance, corp or individual here...See how stupid that idea is? I've seen the forum leakage, and the following things occur to me: 1. They (the leakers), have a poor respect for their fellow gamers and SEEM to think it's pretty 'cool' that they have infiltrated their website/TS/whatever, thus making it alright to splatter the eve-o forum with private discussions of whatever group in question. I mean sure, gather intel in the private confines of your "turf" on the intarwebz, dicuss it, belittle it, whatever. However something like that? shakes head 2. MC seemed generally unhappy with the performance of BoB and the quality of cooperation, and so this seemingly resulted in a lot of debate. That was it...shrugs. 3. Anything beyond that point is speculation, as I sure haven't heard any word from the horse's mouth as of late saying why MC is out of the war..have you? Thus all I've said holds up and I stand by it..You, me, nor anyone else but MC, dictate what MC 'knows' in relations to all the nonsense "MC knows they're in a tight spot blah blah blah" or "MC knows half of EVE wont hire them" or "MC knows they can't win yadda yadda.." ..says who? Did MC say any of these things?...well? Did half the EVE universe suddenly pop out of the woodwork and tell a few people in particular "Yeah uhm, listen....we all agree that uh..none of us will ever hire MC..so uhmm..yeah..just thought you should know!"...well? It'd be like me saying - "Oh Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's knows they're unable to come with any plan for the future, so they're trying to buy time by waving fluffy stuffed bunnies on a stick infront of it's members" ... So..because I said "your corp/alliance KNOWS blah blah blah", this is now the truth and fact of the world? Interesting...I could make quite a business out of doing this. Lets see..uhmmm..oh oh yeah! MC knows it's financially fat beyond reason, so in the next few days they will be donating billions of Isk to Cador Mortaves! ...waits
Veronique deEstelle Gallente Advanced Technologies And Research Inc	Posted - 2007.10.14 23:15:00 - [100] Originally by: Montaire I feel the need to post somthing here for all the people who are going to say "MC would never take a contract against BOB!" or other variations on that theme. You need three things to get MC to take your contract. I'll try and spell them out for you. 1. ISK - You will need a lot of money. Billions, probably tens of billions of ISK, so bring your gold card. 2. A Main - if you want to deal with the MC, you do it with your main. If you dont have the brass to evemail the MC with your main then give up now. You are going to be trusting these guys will a sizeable chunk of assets, start off on the right foot. 3. A plan. Here is where most people fail. ASCN said to MC "Here is a blank check - HELP!" This, frankly, will not work. You need a starting, middle and end point. MC are not 'regulars' and they are not a police force. Think of them as the tip of the spear, a cadre of shock troops and you are on the right track. Once you have all three of those in hand, then you can move forward. Approach this like a fleet engagment, get all the intel you can and take some time to plan. Work out exactly what you are going to do, and what you need the MC to do. Work up an operational schedule and get a firm commitment from your team to stick with it. The MC can be used to seige towers and take stations. They can also be used to lock down a transit pipe or do general area denial tactics. Knowing which of these you need is important. Also get your allies on board. Its not going to do you any good to hire MC and then have your allies screw it up by attacking MC stations for funsies. Finally don't think in terms of "Hiring MC to fight BOB" - because MC is not regular troops, they cant fight ANYONE for you. Just for me, if I were inclined to have The MC help out vs BOB I would probably start by hiring the MC to lockdown every 0.0 pipe into Querious. Combine that with MC empire wardecs vs known GBC logistical allies and we have a great starting point. Having said all that, I do not represent or speak for MC. I dont even know them - but I am sick of all this "Why doesnt MC fight BOB" sewage that gets spewed. You want MC to fight BOB ? Get your isk together and come up with a plan, and I'd imagine you would be just another customer, no matter who the mark is. I think you are a bit wrong here... The leaked posts from the MC forums show that MC can very well make up plans of their own. That indicates that the 'rules' stated by you don't apply for everyone

Lady Khanid Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.14 23:17:00 - [101] Thanks for the Fun MC/Fix/Others - while it lasted. And for a period of time it really was a lot of fun fighting around 49-Fat along side AAA and others. Its a whole different ball game now that one must grin and bare, seen it all before. As for the stats, well they can be manipulated, i had a sneak at the IAC boards which i suspect are reasonable accurate these days and in terms of isk its pretty close. Im sure one of our numerous spys could make the effort to validate that. Likewise speaking for my corp we enjoyed the challenge, besides i know we inflicted more dmg to you than you did to us - remember our KB says so, so of course its true !!!! Stats mean nothing, just enjoy the memory of the fight before the lag machine really kicked in. Dline where Manlove is Mandatory http://dline-corp.net/forum/index.php http://kb.dline-corp.net/
Raem Civrie Sons of Enelaise Enelaise	Posted - 2007.10.14 23:20:00 - [102] Originally by: Lianlan Lou The H74 station can't possibly be worth the OVER 80billion (in just the two supercaps) in losses MC suffered. No mercenary corporation in EVE has ever made a respectable, primary income from contract fees. The money always comes from somewhere else. I doubt the two supercaps inhibited them much financially. It's not the loss of money that was significant, but the manhours spent providing logistics and infrastructure to build them. And an extra station means, technically speaking, a chance for improved logistics. ---- All roads lead to Catch
Rukaz Endgame.	Posted - 2007.10.14 23:27:00 - [103] After some quality Hulk time MC? :P
Lucky 8 Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:09:00 - [104] Originally by: x racer I was told 30% of all ship loses (forever) to MC meausured in isk was over the last 60 days. Yes, yes, I know the Titan loss skews the stat. If this is true, no wonder MC has to bow out for a bit. What happens when RAGOONS are able to put so many people into a system across all time zones that literally nobody can jump/cyno in and fight cuz of the lag? I would guess that if RAGOONS can put 600 players in a system is the minimum threshold, 800 would do it for sure. x Stupid Goons -- Originally by: Nicho Void This thread is like a chum slick for forum alt trolls.
Skelator Stronghold corp The Covenant Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:12:00 - [105] Originally by: DoctorGonzo Originally by: Nez Perces This is gonna be off-topic but: What is it with SHC? Its rubbish. I've visited the forums and they are so yawn. Its like a stuffy private members club where the old boys sit around and smoke cigars and pat themselves on the back for being moderate and respectful to eachother. It is also bordering circlejerk territory where the GBC can post without fear of having to deal with the goons. CAOD is real.. its dirty, its smelly, its vicious as hell .. oh yeah it gets tiring but its REAL. SHC is beh...... if I wanna read an equivalent of a high-brow broadsheet.. where everybody is prim and proper I'll buy The Independent. Not that I care that much.. just wanted to get that off my chest. Sorry for the outburst .. pls continue the debate about MC being on 'vacation'. So what your saying is that CAOD is like reading The News of the World in a council estate working mens club, where as SHC is like reading The Times in a Mayfair gentlemans club? Yeah sort of like watching FOX news to get a fair unbiased report of American Politics.. Oh Wait Our Knights/GhostFleet are available for small honorable contracts. Phasmatis Velox Equitatus
Cikulisuy	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:27:00 - [106] well, fighting MC has been fun, if stressful (lag 4tl) i would fly with MC, but more and more im starting to believe that they really arent mercs, they are pets, same as fix and many others.. BoB will probably offer them another contract and we will go right back to fighting them again, but i hope not, some of them are actually cool. i would be glad to fly alongside them for a change, instead of against them.
HouseMaster Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.15 05:27:00 - [107] Edited by: HouseMaster on 15/10/2007 05:30:43 Edited by: HouseMaster on 15/10/2007 05:30:15 Twas fun MC. Hell yes I get to say my "whitty" remark before anyone else did. Ahem See you for prohibition Part IV! o/
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.10.15 06:29:00 - [108] Up next, IAAAC rents MC to spearhead their "Push BoB out of the Beer" campaign, removing BoB from Catch.
Indispongo Assai Minmatar Da Korp	Posted - 2007.10.15 07:32:00 - [109] No wars, no contracts, carebraing in home systems... Looks like Krall Amarr joined MC right on time.
Karmic Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.15 08:47:00 - [110] Originally by: Rukaz After some quality Hulk time MC? :P BDCI are for sure :P Seleene has been commenting on the size of the Veld roids around h74 for the last couple of weeks. - - - - - - - - -

Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:00:00 - [111] Edited by: Nez Perces on 15/10/2007 09:04:08 Originally by: Karmic BDCI are for sure :P Seleene has been commenting on the size of the Veld roids around h74 for the last couple of weeks. Then Seleene is a mining newb... anybody who knows Q, knows full well that H74 sucks donkey balls for mining. ... you wanna try 3D5K-R and ES-QOW, the systems next door. There you will find the phattest veldspar roids and good spawns to boot.
Damir36 Gallente PPN United Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:22:00 - [112] LOL at MC Statistics... I could probably quote our Killboard that shows 20 Billion ISK more damage inflicted to MC than they did to us or any other Killboard. Killboardstatistics are never objektive. It is a sad story that a Mercanary Force has to brag with skewed statistics where on most of the Killmails only a few MC are listet. I always knew you where good Fighters and it should be enough to rely on your reputation. This rigged statistics has for me the taste of desperation. Do you really need this to keep the Morale of your Members up? Then Good Luck to you, you will need it Seleene. Grn¯e Damir Beware: German Link!:) Deutschprachige Piloten gesucht
Rukaz Endgame.	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:02:00 - [113] Originally by: Damir36 Edited by: Damir36 on 15/10/2007 09:31:27 LOL at MC Statistics... I could probably quote our Killboard that shows 20 Billion ISK more damage inflicted to MC by -A- alone than they did to us or I could quote any other Killboard and find the right statistic to make us look good. Killboardstatistics are never objektive. It is a sad story that a Mercanary Force has to brag with skewed statistics where on most of the Killmails only a few MC are listet. I always knew you where good Fighters and it should be enough to rely on your reputation. This rigged statistics has for me the taste of desperation. Do you really need this to keep the Morale of your Members up? Then Good Luck to you, you will need it Seleene. Edit: This Killboardstats may have worked for you when you (MC) where a single Entity operating alone. Then it was impressive because everyone realised that only MC Pilots where involved in the kills. But doing this in a Multicorp/Alliance war is pathetic! Everyone pretty much knows that killboard stats are a measure of participation rather than skill. MC have stated what they were involved in not what they were responsible for. Take the stats for what they are instead of *****ing about the isk values assigned to the kills. MC were hired to push IAC out of Querious and form a beachhead in catch. Did they achieve this? The answer to that question defines if the last MC campaign was a success or failure.
aeolos maior Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:11:00 - [114] Originally by: Raem Civrie No mercenary corporation in EVE has ever made a respectable, primary income from contract fees. The money always comes from somewhere else. I doubt the two supercaps inhibited them much financially. It's not the loss of money that was significant, but the manhours spent providing logistics and infrastructure to build them. And an extra station means, technically speaking, a chance for improved logistics. +5 Insightful :) Also, GF MC. Little smack, no logoffski's, honorable opponents.
Comstr Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:13:00 - [115] Originally by: Rukaz MC were hired to push IAC out of Querious and form a beachhead in catch. Did they achieve this? The answer to that question defines if the last MC campaign was a success or failure. ORLY? BoB was telling IT'S members that MC was hired as part of the great Steamroller campaign to remove IAC from Catch. Either MC pulled out too early (not paid enough? Ran out of ships?), or BoB was lying to it's own members and pets. Granted, BoB with the might of ISS, -V- and CoW could well be enough to take the remaining 6 stations of IAC...while the southern pets all die to Red Swarm Federation and the Old North attacks FIX and/or Fountain again.
Gontard Minmatar E-Truth	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:16:00 - [116] Lol @ -a- comments on killboard statistics. As long -a- post about 50% of their losses their kb stats are irrelevant. But that's how it works when you logoffsky a lot and forget to post the mail when you log back in.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:22:00 - [117] Originally by: Comstr Originally by: Rukaz MC were hired to push IAC out of Querious and form a beachhead in catch. Did they achieve this? The answer to that question defines if the last MC campaign was a success or failure. ORLY? BoB was telling IT'S members that MC was hired as part of the great Steamroller campaign to remove IAC from Catch. Either MC pulled out too early (not paid enough? Ran out of ships?), or BoB was lying to it's own members and pets. Granted, BoB with the might of ISS, -V- and CoW could well be enough to take the remaining 6 stations of IAC...while the southern pets all die to Red Swarm Federation and the Old North attacks FIX and/or Fountain again. The POST that YOU are referring to didn't have a timeframe did it. This is going to be a long war lad but, nice attempt at spin there though "Random Goon " - why dont you kick box me about it, after your dad has killed himself of course
Pawnee Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:31:00 - [118] Edited by: Pawnee on 15/10/2007 10:35:59 I like how they represent their stats. No word about the titan loss and break ... we do they need a carebear break? Did BOB not pay enough for the "contract"? funny posting from Seleene. (btw. I am uber compared to MC, I have a 100 % kill ratio in killing MCs. Check MC killboard! )
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:39:00 - [119] So basically what i'm reading here is MC just pulled out of the war? Does it work that way? An't they just part of the Bob side? They going back to empire?
Stoned Celt Bloodnok Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:49:00 - [120] Originally by: Comstr Originally by: Rukaz MC were hired to push IAC out of Querious and form a beachhead in catch. Did they achieve this? The answer to that question defines if the last MC campaign was a success or failure. ORLY? BoB was telling IT'S members that MC was hired as part of the great Steamroller campaign to remove IAC from Catch. Either MC pulled out too early (not paid enough? Ran out of ships?), or BoB was lying to it's own members and pets. Granted, BoB with the might of ISS, -V- and CoW could well be enough to take the remaining 6 stations of IAC...while the southern pets all die to Red Swarm Federation and the Old North attacks FIX and/or Fountain again. LOL at IAC talking about alliance leadership lying to it's own members. Did your leadership tell you that even your allies got p**d off with seeing you guys ratting while they were driving through your systems on their way up to defend FAT. More telling about the state of IAC is the fact that last week, when a "Mandatory OP" was called by TT to defend F4R, only 70 or so out of a 2400 man alliance bothered to turn up. You subsequently lost an MS and 4 carriers along with all of your support. By all accounts it is IAC that are running out of ships rather than MC. Without its allies IAC would be up st creek without a paddle. IAC seem to rely on cavalry, in the form of other alliances, turning up to save their asses and then declaring that "we" fought them off again. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for the "old north" to realise that you are just not worth it. *"I told you I was ill"* - Epitaph on Spike Milligan's Tombstone.



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