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L'Arbitrageur
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Posted - 2007.10.16 12:26:00 -
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Can someone actually explain to me how to play this game where not even a side-objective is to make money? Sure live in an environment were money has no impact, mine for your own ship, ignore the opportunity costs of selling the minerals, interact with the real market superficially....
but after all said and done,
what are you going to do?
Go to some low sec station and just make friends in local? is that ittt? What are you going to do wit your ship, with your modules? if nothing is there to make ISK, to make yourself a better character?
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Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2007.10.16 12:31:00 -
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Your after donations, not charity.
People who give to charities do so because they believe they are worthwhile causes.
I.e. people giving to cancer research or the protection of endangered species come to mind as such examples of charity.
I don't see how you fall under the category of a worthwhile cause.
If your conducting some kind of social experiment, please don't mis use the term 'charity' as a means to fund it, its not. What you are asking for is donations/funding.
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Sixtina KL
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Posted - 2007.10.16 13:04:00 -
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I gave cash.
Tons of cash. 
If this is against your religious beliefs, feel free to wardec the wretched infidel that I am. 
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Erythron
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Posted - 2007.10.16 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Erythron on 16/10/2007 13:10:53
lol, best of luck to you Instant Pain
I really don't see any reason to give you any money though. I'll probably follow along and see how much ISK is sent your way
*Edit*
Sixtina KL how did you get your avatar like that o.O coolest thing I've ever seen in EVE
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Cadela Fria
Amarr
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.16 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: Cadela Fria on 16/10/2007 13:47:33
To the OP:
You write the following in your blog about your experiment
Eve forums is spitting venom at the idea.
Shouts of Scam come along.
Some are liking the idea I'm doing something a little different.
A lot find it hard to grasp the main purpose of this experiment is to test the people that play the game.
First let me enlighten you.
The forums are spitting venom at anything that comes along that sounds too good to be true. It is something the general populace have been tempered with in this community, because 9,9/10, you're dealing with a scam of sewage-like proportions.
The shouts of scam is very simply because what you propose sounds like a scam that's been seen before, nobody knows you and no one has any reason to trust you or buy into what you're saying.
Some like the idea, those are usually the ones who've never tried to be scammed, or simply has more faith in people then most of us do. (note: I say most, not all)
As for your last point, which I think is the most important one. I strongly urge you to rethink your words, as it is not a matter of the community not understanding what you're doing and the purpose of it.
People are phenonomal(sp?) at grasping various concepts in this community, and I think what you have to understand, is that through the course of Eve-history, there have been many like you, proposing the EXACT SAME idea, only to have it turn out to be a blatant scam to get people to give you free money.
Very few people like scammers, and there is a general outright hatred towards them. So all in all, you can't blame for their suspicioun and distaste of what you're doing, as it comes down you doing something that appears like a scam in every aspect.
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Instant Pain
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.16 13:52:00 -
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I will keep plodding on through eve and capturing peoples ideas and theories of eve, someone last night explained to me that playing eve is just an oppotunity to be "+icks to each other". Weird, then 5mins later another guy passed me some of his unused pieces in rens, in return I passed an osprey to a new guy who needed one.
The point of this whole piece is im not out to be rich, i will use the gifts given to me to help others as and when I come across them. And some of the people who have donated are really nice folks, some of which i have briefly spoken with, all of which i will be contacting for a chat in the near future.
Living EVE Like a Tramp! |
Affirmativ
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Posted - 2007.10.16 14:10:00 -
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everything here is 'gonewrong'. why? this is not charity, it's begging.
Please, know your words.
An ISD mod should lock this thread as it's nothing but an excersise in social begging using the forums to network the begging message.
already your reasoning has changed from;
"I wonĘt follow the usual route of mining, trading or pvping to raise ISK, I will try building my full characters skills based upon the donations and charity of others."
to
"The point of this whole piece is im not out to be rich, i will use the gifts given to me to help others as and when I come across them. And some of the people who have donated are really nice folks, some of which i have briefly spoken with, all of which i will be contacting for a chat in the near future."
I got you sussed out from the get-go, mate :) my theory? you're trying to get enough isk for GTC.
gg.
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Instant Pain
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.17 07:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Affirmativ
everything here is 'gonewrong'. why? this is not charity, it's begging.
Please, know your words.
An ISD mod should lock this thread as it's nothing but an excersise in social begging using the forums to network the begging message.
already your reasoning has changed from;
"I wonĘt follow the usual route of mining, trading or pvping to raise ISK, I will try building my full characters skills based upon the donations and charity of others."
to
"The point of this whole piece is im not out to be rich, i will use the gifts given to me to help others as and when I come across them. And some of the people who have donated are really nice folks, some of which i have briefly spoken with, all of which i will be contacting for a chat in the near future."
I got you sussed out from the get-go, mate :) my theory? you're trying to get enough isk for GTC.
gg.
Your thinking i have already come accross alot so far, alot of people assume because i am living for free im out to scam isk. That is a belief that i can understand from reading others views. Although if i was out for quick ISK then as i have said i wouldnt be so open as to blog my life in EVE and show donations given to me.
I respect your views and your totally entitled to them, but if i was after a get rich quick scheme the worst one to choose would surely be "send me ISK" and instead an IPO or other common scams would be more effective.
The gifts i recieve i plan to use for my character and to benifit other travellers i come accross. I will show every donation i recieve on my site for anyone to view.
Living EVE Like a Tramp! |
Frug
Zenithal Harvest
BROTHER'S WORD
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Posted - 2007.10.17 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria
People are phenomenal at grasping various concepts in this community.
WUT?
Who is this isk scammer and why is he still posting?
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Instant Pain
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.17 14:54:00 -
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for an isk scammer im putting alot of effort into a blog and working to create something folks may enjoy reading 
Living EVE Like a Tramp! |
Bob Niac
Gallente
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.17 15:27:00 -
[71]
This sounds fam ...
OH WAIT! It's a cut and paste from the other freeloaders that tried this.
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Nagi Katsumi
Renovatio Industries
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.10.17 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Nagi Katsumi on 17/10/2007 20:31:06
Originally by: Mr Friendly
You will starve. Eve is is a 'screw you, I have my ego to feed' place
Honestly though. Your little experiment does sound interesting and I'll keep my eye on it. Like the blog btw.
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Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9
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Posted - 2007.10.17 22:28:00 -
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Well, you got my vote in isk so :) Need more interesting people in this universe.
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Instant Pain
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.18 14:46:00 -
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Glad you like the blog, its very much just starting out but its something i will keep working on. Some ideas to be added yet are access to my wallet infos and the displaying of skills, so people can watch my progress and recommend skills to train next!
I aim to update as much as possible.
Living EVE Like a Tramp! |
Instant Pain
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.20 10:48:00 -
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Blog has been updated with this weeks ventures, also closing week 1 vote, and skills are being uploaded so folks can track my progress.
Living EVE Like a Tramp! |
Baleur
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.20 11:24:00 -
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Hello. I would also like to start a social experiment, honest!
Please send 1 million isk to this character, and if you are lucky, your life will be enriched because of it!
1 million isk for eternal happiness! If that aint a good deal, i dont know what is!
 *sarcasm meter off the scale*
It doesnt matter what words you use in what order Instant Pain, in the end its still the same old thing you want, for people to send isk to you. You can wrap it in a make-believe good reason all you want, its still the same old begging..
Hey, perhaps you really do this as an experiment, perhaps you really dont care about the isk! But as i said, what does it matter to the doners? You are still just a guy whining for isk..
If you are gonna give it away to random people, why not just make a topic motivating other ppl to do the same, instead of you being the lucky middle-man getting all the cash in your hands and being "trusted" to spread it onwards ;)
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.20 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Why don't you post your full API key here so that everyone who wants to can see exactly how much is donated to you, and how you spend it? It might inspire slightly more trust in you.
If you do, I'll send you 1m isk. It has to be the full access key, not the limited one.
This offer still stands. In fact, I'm increasing it to 10m isk.
My research services
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Instant Pain
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.20 11:34:00 -
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i dont whine for isk, i started a week ago and since then have written blogs and put the journal site together. The time that has taken i could have made way more than i have had donated munching rocks.
If you dont like the idea dont post, i am posting for those people have an interest and are following my character. And for those who havent had a chance to read through the blogs and make thier own mind up.
Nothing wrong in what im trying to do, a donation is just that, the decision of the person giving. If they like what im doing they may give me a gift, if they dont i really dont mind. I am enjoying the experience myself 
Living EVE Like a Tramp! |
Instant Pain
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.20 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Why don't you post your full API key here so that everyone who wants to can see exactly how much is donated to you, and how you spend it? It might inspire slightly more trust in you.
If you do, I'll send you 1m isk. It has to be the full access key, not the limited one.
This offer still stands. In fact, I'm increasing it to 10m isk.
Hi Kaz - i did look into this when you mentioned it the first time but i am alittle concerned regarding the Full Access API Key = This is dangerous and not recommended. << that statement from CCP puts me off.
I have no issue sharing my characters wallet information and i display the totals on my site, but i am not liking the idea that people could fiddle with my account  I dont really understand the risk the full api may lead to. If you could enlighten i will look again at it.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.10.20 12:04:00 -
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No-one can steal your account with an API key - that's the whole point of it. It allows people to see your transactions by requesting details of them directly from CCP.
If trading or speculation were your main activity, you might justifiably want to keep your financial operations secret, but I think in your case, it will act as proof of what you say you're doing. You could also use it to update the information on your site automatically, once per hour. For a full list of the information it gives access to and how to use it, see here.
My research services
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Instant Pain
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.21 15:03:00 -
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Have had a look into the API bits, and well its out of my skills so have made a post in the tech lab to see if someone can provide some code allowing me to show the wallet and character info on the site.... if its left to me it wont happen
We shall see if someone can help out.
Living EVE Like a Tramp! |
DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.21 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
thinly disguised scam/isk beggar. 2/10
It's not really a scam if he's saying he's just going to use it for himself. Either way it's begging, get a job ya lousy bum.
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Instant Pain
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.21 15:53:00 -
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im working for my isk! Not easy being a bum!
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.10.21 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 21/10/2007 16:02:13
250k donated?
Not going too well now is it? 
Though not surprising, i believe this proves that you have to work(a bit harder  ) for your iskies.
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Instant Pain
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.21 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Instant Pain on 21/10/2007 17:13:49
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 21/10/2007 16:02:13
250k donated?
Not going too well now is it?
Though not surprising, i believe this proves that you have to work(a bit harder ) for your iskies.
Its going very well indeed, my blog seems popular and i have enough isk from donations to keep me ticking over.
All the info about my experience including wallet total and donators is on my site for full viewing. I am trying to sort the API thing but not sure how much success i will get from it. The skills are viewable also..... everything as viewable as possible.
Folks seem to like the blogs etc so i will continue on this route!
Living EVE Like a Tramp! |
Instant Pain
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.23 10:53:00 -
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The API thing doesnt seem possible from all the people i have spoken with. The blog site i use only allows javascript and HTML but there is no means i have been shown to link the API to the site.
My skills are shown on INEVE and my wallet info i update each week for people to see. I miss out of 10M but no way round it. 
Living EVE Like a Tramp! |
Sixtina KL
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Posted - 2007.10.23 11:24:00 -
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Hey guys! Somebody donated 100m ISK to him. Are y'all gonna go wardec the donator's corp?
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Night Tripper
Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2007.10.23 11:49:00 -
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this is not a scam, and neither it is charity. wrap it up in as much sweet rhetoric as you like, but you are basicly just a beggar. a more appropiate title would be "Social Experiment - Begging". i do notice your blog is, living life as a tramp, which is more accurate.
however, it is an intersting idea, but i think if you really want it to be charity, you should really be doing things to help other people, yourself.
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Althea Nar'agh
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.10.23 11:57:00 -
[89]
well if you take a look at my signature... in theory you could share all the api information with anyone...
also, you could embade the gadget into any website you wanna use...
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Instant Pain
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.23 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: Instant Pain on 23/10/2007 12:28:01
Originally by: Althea Nar'agh
well if you take a look at my signature... in theory you could share all the api information with anyone...
also, you could embade the gadget into any website you wanna use...
and if i could find out how to do that would be superb!
Any chance you could prompt me Althea? on where to even start with making this appear in the blog?
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