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Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.14 19:49:00 - [1] When you can get 50k effective hp on this ship AND do 400 or so dps, it's not right this ship shouldn't be able to kill Hac's
Annowyn	Posted - 2007.10.14 19:51:00 - [2] Maybe it's your tactics?
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.10.14 20:23:00 - [3] Setup is more important than SP buddy. Perhaps you should focus less on whining and more on tactics? ________ "It's a good day to die!"
Hannobaal Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.10.14 20:27:00 - [4] It's not right because even with maxed out skills it is not remotely possible to do so, except maybe with some really expensive faction equipment.
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.14 20:57:00 - [5] The best I could get did 341 DPS and 49,210 effective HP... with maxed skills. And guess what-NO powergrid remaining for even an afterburner, much less an MWD, and we're sorta lacking in the "cheap" department, packing a 1,600mm RT plate, a T2 suitcase, a T2 explo armor hardener, 2 T2 EANMs, 4 T2 425mm ACs, 2 T2 rocket launchers, and the kicker-3 trimark rigs. Your post fails bad. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Apolloe	Posted - 2007.10.14 21:04:00 - [6] Oh my god. For the last time. Shut the ** up with nerfs. It's getting really damn annoying seeing people **ing about ships being overpowered or faster or have better DPS or whatever. Shut up, suck it up, play the game. @#(%^@(#*%^!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Twin blade Minmatar The Triangle Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.10.14 21:14:00 - [7] OMG the rupture's are ganking every thing i just seen 1 wtf own bob's titan and another take on 5000 goons Nerf it so its like the amarr. Yer so you can get its HP nice and high with over 300 dps so what a HAC would still kill it as guess what they can do the same only better if they want to. That is just a nice HP buffer but any thing bigger than a T1 curiser would eat it alive if used right so its hardly overpowerd in any way. !
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.14 21:20:00 - [8] Rupture is awesome actually =P Paradox V2.0 is recruiting!
Zy Nox	Posted - 2007.10.14 21:26:00 - [9] The Rupture is good but its not THAT good.
Incantare Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.10.14 21:31:00 - [10] Don't nerf the rupture. Buff the Moa.
Elaina Marie	Posted - 2007.10.14 22:18:00 - [11] Edited by: Elaina Marie on 14/10/2007 22:18:22 Originally by: Boring name When you can get 50k effective hp on this ship AND do 400 or so dps, it's not right this ship shouldn't be able to kill Hac's If you died to a rupture in a HAC, you underestimated the rupture and deserve to die. The rupture is a great ship, but dying to a rupture in a HAC?
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.14 22:19:00 - [12] Shaddup fool. In the nicest possible way of course. And 50k Hp? You having a fecking laugh... ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.14 22:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Incantare Don't nerf the rupture. Buff the Moa. Moa actually performs very similar to the plated rupture fit but with less range. I mean, its worse, but not that much worse.
Skylar Keenan Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.10.14 22:37:00 - [14] Actually it's possible, but I wouldn't put that much ISK into a t1 cruiser - most of it in the 3 trimarks... Rupture doing 394 DpS with 49.369 HP ----------------------------------------------- New sig coming SoonÖ
Chr0nosX Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.15 00:31:00 - [15] I know theruppie is fine and I don't fly it
Rudy Metallo Sanguine Raiders	Posted - 2007.10.15 02:49:00 - [16] Someone bitter. You obviously fail horribly if you died in a HAC to a ruppy. Howwibly howwibly. -- We are the revolutionaries. We are the usurpers of the heavenly throne. We are the enemies of the Gods.
Arii Smith Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.10.15 03:11:00 - [17] Sounds like someone thought their eagle with small rails was good, shoulda waited for those SPs to tick OP!!
Hannobaal Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.10.15 03:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Skylar Keenan Actually it's possible, but I wouldn't put that much ISK into a t1 cruiser - most of it in the 3 trimarks... Rupture doing 394 DpS with 49.369 HP I put in the same setup into my EFT (you don't have drones ahowing there, but I put in a Hammerhead II and 4 Hobgoblin IIs), and I get the same HP, but only 372 dps.
Alfred Vongunn	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:34:00 - [19] Maybe he was really fighting a Mummin and just throught it was a Rupture because of the hull?
lyrenna Caldari The Renaissance The Makhai	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Alfred Vongunn Maybe he was really fighting a Mummin and just throught it was a Rupture because of the hull? qft
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:56:00 - [21] Originally by: lyrenna Originally by: Alfred Vongunn Maybe he was really fighting a Mummin and just throught it was a Rupture because of the hull? qft What does QFT mean? I know what it 'means' (i agree, basically) but not sure what the letters QFT stand for? After more than a year and a half playing eve i still don't know this lol! ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Drek Grapper What does QFT mean? I know what it 'means' (i agree, basically) but not sure what the letters QFT stand for? After more than a year and a half playing eve i still don't know this lol! I believe it's Quoted For Truth.
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:17:00 - [23] Edited by: Drek Grapper on 15/10/2007 10:17:44 Originally by: Cpt Branko I believe it's Quoted For Truth. Ah the mystery is solved. ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Original Species	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:20:00 - [24] Seriosuly, nerf the rupture ? Id have to say rupture isnt even a top 3 cruiser....
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:00:00 - [25] Edited by: Acoco Osiris on 15/10/2007 12:02:20 Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Skylar Keenan Actually it's possible, but I wouldn't put that much ISK into a t1 cruiser - most of it in the 3 trimarks... Rupture doing 394 DpS with 49.369 HP I put in the same setup into my EFT (you don't have drones ahowing there, but I put in a Hammerhead II and 4 Hobgoblin IIs), and I get the same HP, but only 372 dps. I think my setup differs from yours in two respects. First, you use 220s with Hail, I use 425s with EMP. Second, you were kind and thoughtful and put on tackle gear. EDIT: Now that I plug in Hail M, the DPS does get close to 400. With Rage rockets, it does hit 400 DPS. But this doesn't change the fact that it's a totally gimped setup which costs more than some battleships with no powergrid remaining for an MWD... even a 1MN MWD. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Xzar Fyrarr	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:12:00 - [26] HOLY ****NITS!!!!! ITs a dawn of a new EVE! The MIMMATAR SCRAP HEAPS are TANKING with VELDSPAR, HaC's OMG! Nerf the muninn next well ya? O and the ishtar Ishtar's are soo hard to kill when you don't do it right >.> O and nerf titan's too. They took my parking space the other day. And while ya at it nerf [continues rambling about nerfing every known thing to man kind]
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:24:00 - [27] Originally by: Boring name and btw if u cant even afford rigs then u shouldnt be in cruisers, should stay in frigs/destroyers untill you are competent You can afford cruisers well before you can afford rigs. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:25:00 - [28] Originally by: Acoco Osiris Originally by: Boring name and btw if u cant even afford rigs then u shouldnt be in cruisers, should stay in frigs/destroyers untill you are competent You can afford cruisers well before you can afford rigs. If you dont know how to play the game that is
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:28:00 - [29] lol rigging T1 cruisers? They are desposable dps/support for small gangs and/or disposable "for the lulz" solo ships. Sure put T2 guns and the cheaper T2 mods on them but seriously, they are pretty low on the pvp food chain, if your gonna rig it buy a BC instead.
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:30:00 - [30] Originally by: MITSUK0 lol rigging T1 cruisers? They are desposable dps/support for small gangs and/or disposable "for the lulz" solo ships. Sure put T2 guns and the cheaper T2 mods on them but seriously, they are pretty low on the pvp food chain, if your gonna rig it buy a BC instead. If u cant rig it then u a noob
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:32:00 - [31] Originally by: Boring name Originally by: MITSUK0 lol rigging T1 cruisers? They are desposable dps/support for small gangs and/or disposable "for the lulz" solo ships. Sure put T2 guns and the cheaper T2 mods on them but seriously, they are pretty low on the pvp food chain, if your gonna rig it buy a BC instead. If u cant rig it then u a noob Did I say I cant rig it? No, no I didnt. It is stupid to rig them because it is not cost effective. If you rig a T1 cruiser you may aswell have bought a BC because an unrigged BC will wipe the floor with a rigged T1 cruiser. Stop calling people noobs when you dont have a clue. Troooooolllllllllll
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:34:00 - [32] Originally by: Boring name Originally by: MITSUK0 lol rigging T1 cruisers? They are desposable dps/support for small gangs and/or disposable "for the lulz" solo ships. Sure put T2 guns and the cheaper T2 mods on them but seriously, they are pretty low on the pvp food chain, if your gonna rig it buy a BC instead. If u cant rig it then u a noob If you use expensive rigs on any cruiser save a Stabber (falloff ftw) you are a fool. 'Nuff said really... ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:35:00 - [33] Originally by: MITSUK0 Originally by: Boring name Originally by: MITSUK0 lol rigging T1 cruisers? They are desposable dps/support for small gangs and/or disposable "for the lulz" solo ships. Sure put T2 guns and the cheaper T2 mods on them but seriously, they are pretty low on the pvp food chain, if your gonna rig it buy a BC instead. If u cant rig it then u a noob Did I say I cant rig it? No, no I didnt. It is stupid to rig them because it is not cost effective. If you rig a T1 cruiser you may aswell have bought a BC because an unrigged BC will wipe the floor with a rigged T1 cruiser. Stop calling people noobs when you dont have a clue. Troooooolllllllllll We both know eve doesn't work like this, this is like saying a Pest is better for soloing than the vaga
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:36:00 - [34] Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Boring name Originally by: MITSUK0 lol rigging T1 cruisers? They are desposable dps/support for small gangs and/or disposable "for the lulz" solo ships. Sure put T2 guns and the cheaper T2 mods on them but seriously, they are pretty low on the pvp food chain, if your gonna rig it buy a BC instead. If u cant rig it then u a noob If you use expensive rigs on any cruiser save a Stabber (falloff ftw) you are a fool. 'Nuff said really... Or you're not a noob and actually have some isk
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:38:00 - [35] Hahaha stop trying to justify losing your HAC to a T1 cruiser There certainly is a noob here...
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:39:00 - [36] Originally by: Boring name Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Boring name Originally by: MITSUK0 lol rigging T1 cruisers? They are desposable dps/support for small gangs and/or disposable "for the lulz" solo ships. Sure put T2 guns and the cheaper T2 mods on them but seriously, they are pretty low on the pvp food chain, if your gonna rig it buy a BC instead. If u cant rig it then u a noob If you use expensive rigs on any cruiser save a Stabber (falloff ftw) you are a fool. 'Nuff said really... Or you're not a noob and actually have some isk It's not about isk you fool it's about value for money! It seems you are the type of guy who would turn up at a Destruction Derby in Porsche 911 Turbo. Not very smart. ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Ash'el Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:46:00 - [37] Originally by: Boring name btw...I'm not a noob
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:48:00 - [38] God gave u a brain to use it And jesus didn't die for our sins to see people like you not using what god gave you ( brains )
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:50:00 - [39] Originally by: Ash'el Originally by: Boring name btw...I'm not a noob Ironic coming from a guy that is too scared to post with his main
Kaar Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:54:00 - [40] Originally by: Boring name Ironic coming from a guy that is too scared to post with his main FAIL ALERT. --- ---
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:58:00 - [41] Another suggestion, make base powergrid 400?
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.15 12:59:00 - [42] Another suggestion, make base powergrid 400?
Hannobaal Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:00:00 - [43] Edited by: Hannobaal on 15/10/2007 13:00:38 This is, of course, a troll thread.
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Boring name Another suggestion, make base powergrid 400? Why don't you start a buff the HAC thread...if your HAC can't beat a Rup maybe you need some help. ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Hannobaal Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:10:00 - [45] Originally by: Boring name Originally by: MITSUK0 lol rigging T1 cruisers? They are desposable dps/support for small gangs and/or disposable "for the lulz" solo ships. Sure put T2 guns and the cheaper T2 mods on them but seriously, they are pretty low on the pvp food chain, if your gonna rig it buy a BC instead. If u cant rig it then u a noob If you put expensive rigs on a tech 1 cruiser, you're an idiot.
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:22:00 - [46] Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Boring name Originally by: MITSUK0 lol rigging T1 cruisers? They are desposable dps/support for small gangs and/or disposable "for the lulz" solo ships. Sure put T2 guns and the cheaper T2 mods on them but seriously, they are pretty low on the pvp food chain, if your gonna rig it buy a BC instead. If u cant rig it then u a noob If you put expensive rigs on a tech 1 cruiser, you're an idiot. 10m a unit expensive?
Ash'el Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:42:00 - [47] Originally by: Boring name Ironic coming from a guy that is too scared to post with his main
Khadur Minmatar GREY COUNCIL Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:56:00 - [48] People like you should get aids and die.
Galan Undris	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:16:00 - [49] Originally by: Boring name 10m a unit expensive? For a module fitted to a 5 mill t1 ship, yes.
Night Tripper Es and Whizz	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:21:00 - [50] Originally by: Khadur People like you should get aids and die. that's not cool, even if he is/not being a ejit.
Lrrp Minmatar Gallente Mercantile Exchange Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:31:00 - [51] Lock this thread...please.
Kuno Hida	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:11:00 - [52] Rigs on a cruiser are simply stupid. The market value of a rig tends to be 20-100% greater than the value of the Cruiser. Originally by: Boring name God gave u a brain to use it And jesus didn't die for our sins to see people like you not using what god gave you ( brains ) Fail. Your faith isn't the only one. Fail again for posting with your own alt.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:19:00 - [53] Originally by: Boring name Originally by: MITSUK0 lol rigging T1 cruisers? They are desposable dps/support for small gangs and/or disposable "for the lulz" solo ships. Sure put T2 guns and the cheaper T2 mods on them but seriously, they are pretty low on the pvp food chain, if your gonna rig it buy a BC instead. If u cant rig it then u a noob LOL, who is the n00b? The person that doesn't waste money on disposable ships or the HAC pilot that got wasted by a (most-likely) non-rigged disposable ship? Originally by: CCP Chronotis Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
Cyan Nuevo Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:31:00 - [54] The Rupture is fine. Nerf Amarr. --- Proud Amarr pilot.
Xzar Fyrarr	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:13:00 - [55] Originally by: Boring name Originally by: MITSUK0 lol rigging T1 cruisers? They are desposable dps/support for small gangs and/or disposable "for the lulz" solo ships. Sure put T2 guns and the cheaper T2 mods on them but seriously, they are pretty low on the pvp food chain, if your gonna rig it buy a BC instead. If u cant rig it then u a noob Not being flame flame or anything... but.... If you cant rig a ship does it really matter. And if your a noob why would you rig a T1 cruiser? Putting that much money into a cruiser bettuh mean you can afford to lose the thing because you WILL lose it. SO I guese I'm a noob for flying around in a cheap unrigged BC for pvp since I can rig it but choose not to ^_^
ArrogantGod	Posted - 2007.10.16 00:21:00 - [56] Edited by: ArrogantGod on 16/10/2007 00:21:42 Nerf the ruppy by allowing turrets in all it's high slots. (this is a joke post, but you'll probably flame it anyway)
Shereza	Posted - 2007.10.16 00:23:00 - [57] Edited by: Shereza on 16/10/2007 00:25:19 I can eke out either 135,371 maximum effective HP With 408 DPS, with drones, or 50,686 effective HP and 513 dps without drones (624 with them). Of course a full slave set of implants, 3 T2 trimark pumps, multiple high-end officer gyros and/or EANMs and 1 officer hardener will put a serious dent in your pocketbook. Wow, I guess the rupture really does need nerfing if it can manage to be that sort of powerhouse with only what, 8-10 billion sunk into it?
Shereza	Posted - 2007.10.16 00:27:00 - [58] On a side note.... Putting rigs on most T1 cruisers is pretty darn stupid unless you are 100% cognizant of the fact that you are most likely wasting money and don't really care. For the cost of 2-3 rigs you can afford a battlecruiser which'll, in several respects, do exactly what the rigs would have done and more in terms of upgrading. Ah well, logic and trolling don't mix.
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.16 01:00:00 - [59] Originally by: Shereza Edited by: Shereza on 16/10/2007 00:25:19 I can eke out either 135,371 maximum effective HP With 408 DPS, with drones, or 50,686 effective HP and 513 dps without drones (624 with them). Of course a full slave set of implants, 3 T2 trimark pumps, multiple high-end officer gyros and/or EANMs and 1 officer hardener will put a serious dent in your pocketbook. Wow, I guess the rupture really does need nerfing if it can manage to be that sort of powerhouse with only what, 8-10 billion sunk into it? I should try this on Armageddon Day. And boring name, you are a worse troll than Scorphion, and that's saying something. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.16 02:53:00 - [60] HP wasnt hard to get over 50k and over 400 dps of dmg using just tech II with tech 1 rigs. I would spend that much isk on a cruiser no problems if it led to killing HAC's. Nothing cooler than shaimng your enemy by killing their elite cruisers in tech 1 ships. These days its sao damn hard to get a 1vs1, dressing up a lone tech 1 cruiser seems like a damn good idea to get someone to actually engage u.
Skraeling Shortbus Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.16 02:55:00 - [61] I can get over 400dps on a vexor... whats your point? Love to the Assault Frigate!
Franconis Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.10.16 04:59:00 - [62] Originally by: Apolloe Oh my god. For the last time. Shut the ** up with nerfs. It's getting really damn annoying seeing people **ing about ships being overpowered or faster or have better DPS or whatever. Shut up, suck it up, play the game. @#(%^@(#*%^!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are my hero _________ I R teh Minnie Meanie
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.16 12:24:00 - [63] Originally by: twit brent HP wasnt hard to get over 50k and over 400 dps of dmg using just tech II with tech 1 rigs. I would spend that much isk on a cruiser no problems if it led to killing HAC's. Nothing cooler than shaimng your enemy by killing their elite cruisers in tech 1 ships. These days its sao damn hard to get a 1vs1, dressing up a lone tech 1 cruiser seems like a damn good idea to get someone to actually engage u. Were you doing 400 DPS and 50k armor at the same time? I doubt it. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
SK Rooster No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.16 17:52:00 - [64] Originally by: Hannobaal It's not right because even with maxed out skills it is not remotely possible to do so, except maybe with some really expensive faction equipment. how wrong you are Linkage
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.16 18:25:00 - [65] Originally by: SK Rooster Originally by: Hannobaal It's not right because even with maxed out skills it is not remotely possible to do so, except maybe with some really expensive faction equipment. how wrong you are Linkage I think people are talking about realistic setups...you have no web, no mwd and no scram? ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Brark	Posted - 2007.10.16 18:58:00 - [66] Originally by: SK Rooster Originally by: Hannobaal It's not right because even with maxed out skills it is not remotely possible to do so, except maybe with some really expensive faction equipment. how wrong you are Linkage 480 freaking Million SP and by far the WORST Setup i`ve ever seen. NERF! THIS IS MADNESS!
Gort Storm Guard Elite	Posted - 2007.10.16 22:01:00 - [67] I'm laughing at the OP. Ruptures are what they are -- decent heavy cruisers. Get over it. -- When in doubt, empty the magazine.
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.16 22:09:00 - [68] Edited by: twit brent on 16/10/2007 22:13:05 Originally by: Acoco Osiris Originally by: twit brent HP wasnt hard to get over 50k and over 400 dps of dmg using just tech II with tech 1 rigs. I would spend that much isk on a cruiser no problems if it led to killing HAC's. Nothing cooler than shaimng your enemy by killing their elite cruisers in tech 1 ships. These days its sao damn hard to get a 1vs1, dressing up a lone tech 1 cruiser seems like a damn good idea to get someone to actually engage u. Were you doing 400 DPS and 50k armor at the same time? I doubt it. With 2 webbers and scram 413dps 53643 effective hprupture
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.17 08:50:00 - [69] Edited by: Boring name on 17/10/2007 08:50:02 Originally by: twit brent HP wasnt hard to get over 50k and over 400 dps of dmg using just tech II with tech 1 rigs. I would spend that much isk on a cruiser no problems if it led to killing HAC's. Nothing cooler than shaimng your enemy by killing their elite cruisers in tech 1 ships. These days its sao damn hard to get a 1vs1, dressing up a lone tech 1 cruiser seems like a damn good idea to get someone to actually engage u. Only post that makes sense here the guy told me his setup 4 220mm II 1 small nos 1 small neut 10mn mwd, web, warp disruptor 1600 plate, 2 Gyro, 1 DC II, 1 EANM II 3 trimarks think slave set too edit : think he was using ecm drones aswell
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.17 09:52:00 - [70] Originally by: Boring name Edited by: Boring name on 17/10/2007 08:50:02 Originally by: twit brent HP wasnt hard to get over 50k and over 400 dps of dmg using just tech II with tech 1 rigs. I would spend that much isk on a cruiser no problems if it led to killing HAC's. Nothing cooler than shaimng your enemy by killing their elite cruisers in tech 1 ships. These days its sao damn hard to get a 1vs1, dressing up a lone tech 1 cruiser seems like a damn good idea to get someone to actually engage u. Only post that makes sense here the guy told me his setup 4 220mm II 1 small nos 1 small neut 10mn mwd, web, warp disruptor 1600 plate, 2 Gyro, 1 DC II, 1 EANM II 3 trimarks think slave set too edit : think he was using ecm drones aswell Ok lets break this down - 1 x Rupture Hull 6mil Isk 4 x 220mm AC's 7.2mil Isk 1 x 1600m Plate about 1mil Isk 2 x Gyro 3.2mil Isk 1 x EANM 2.2mil Isk 1 x DCU2 2.3mil Isk 3 x Tri-Mark 40.6 MILLION ISK Ok so if we total this up we get a TOTAL COST of 62.5 Million ISk. Rofl...yeah well lets nerf the Rupture because it's overpowered. I doubt there are many people out there who would drop 62million Isk on bying and fitting a t1 cruiser. Considering the risk of getting ganked these days i would say that's pretty stoopid. But then again...it takes all types eh? ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:00:00 - [71] Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Boring name Edited by: Boring name on 17/10/2007 08:50:02 Originally by: twit brent HP wasnt hard to get over 50k and over 400 dps of dmg using just tech II with tech 1 rigs. I would spend that much isk on a cruiser no problems if it led to killing HAC's. Nothing cooler than shaimng your enemy by killing their elite cruisers in tech 1 ships. These days its sao damn hard to get a 1vs1, dressing up a lone tech 1 cruiser seems like a damn good idea to get someone to actually engage u. Only post that makes sense here the guy told me his setup 4 220mm II 1 small nos 1 small neut 10mn mwd, web, warp disruptor 1600 plate, 2 Gyro, 1 DC II, 1 EANM II 3 trimarks think slave set too edit : think he was using ecm drones aswell Ok lets break this down - 1 x Rupture Hull 6mil Isk 4 x 220mm AC's 7.2mil Isk 1 x 1600m Plate about 1mil Isk 2 x Gyro 3.2mil Isk 1 x EANM 2.2mil Isk 1 x DCU2 2.3mil Isk 3 x Tri-Mark 40.6 MILLION ISK Ok so if we total this up we get a TOTAL COST of 62.5 Million ISk. Rofl...yeah well lets nerf the Rupture because it's overpowered. I doubt there are many people out there who would drop 62million Isk on bying and fitting a t1 cruiser. Considering the risk of getting ganked these days i would say that's pretty stoopid. But then again...it takes all types eh? How much does Hac's cost again?
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:07:00 - [72] May I just say that I have just spent over 30m on a bellicose. Money doesn't mean diddly if your main aim is to have fun.
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:13:00 - [73] Originally by: Boring name How much does Hac's cost again? How much does a Battlecruiser cost again?? ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:14:00 - [74] Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Boring name Edited by: Boring name on 17/10/2007 08:50:02 Originally by: twit brent HP wasnt hard to get over 50k and over 400 dps of dmg using just tech II with tech 1 rigs. I would spend that much isk on a cruiser no problems if it led to killing HAC's. Nothing cooler than shaimng your enemy by killing their elite cruisers in tech 1 ships. These days its sao damn hard to get a 1vs1, dressing up a lone tech 1 cruiser seems like a damn good idea to get someone to actually engage u. Only post that makes sense here the guy told me his setup 4 220mm II 1 small nos 1 small neut 10mn mwd, web, warp disruptor 1600 plate, 2 Gyro, 1 DC II, 1 EANM II 3 trimarks think slave set too edit : think he was using ecm drones aswell Ok lets break this down - 1 x Rupture Hull 6mil Isk 4 x 220mm AC's 7.2mil Isk 1 x 1600m Plate about 1mil Isk 2 x Gyro 3.2mil Isk 1 x EANM 2.2mil Isk 1 x DCU2 2.3mil Isk 3 x Tri-Mark 40.6 MILLION ISK Ok so if we total this up we get a TOTAL COST of 62.5 Million ISk. Rofl...yeah well lets nerf the Rupture because it's overpowered. I doubt there are many people out there who would drop 62million Isk on bying and fitting a t1 cruiser. Considering the risk of getting ganked these days i would say that's pretty stoopid. But then again...it takes all types eh? Calling this setup stupid based on price is stupid. I would probably try it if I could fly minmatar. For what it might be possible for this ship to accomplish i think its well worth it.
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:15:00 - [75] Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Boring name How much does Hac's cost again? How much does a Battlecruiser cost again?? How versatile is the battlecruiser again? how many hac's is going to engage a battlecruiser again? how hard is it to run from blobs in a battlecruiser? how hard is it to tackle in a battlecruiser? how slow are battlecruisers? seriously, you can't compare them
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:15:00 - [76] Originally by: Nian Banks May I just say that I have just spent over 30m on a bellicose. Money doesn't mean diddly if your main aim is to have fun. Well your fun will last alot longer if you use your money wisely. But then again if you have piles of it i susppose it doesn't matter. Even when i do have piles of isk...i still spend it wisely. It's basic economics. ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:16:00 - [77] Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Boring name How much does Hac's cost again? How much does a Battlecruiser cost again?? Good luck getting a HAC to try to kill you battlecruiser I think your missing the point of this setup entirely.
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:19:00 - [78] Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Nian Banks May I just say that I have just spent over 30m on a bellicose. Money doesn't mean diddly if your main aim is to have fun. Well your fun will last alot longer if you use your money wisely. But then again if you have piles of it i susppose it doesn't matter. Even when i do have piles of isk...i still spend it wisely. It's basic economics. Hmmm I will have infinite ammounts of fun in an ibis? but seriously i would have heaps more fun in the rupture as there is a much higher chance of actually being engaged by a HAC or something. Not to mention killing something with a tech 1 of the class.
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:30:00 - [79] Originally by: twit brent Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Nian Banks May I just say that I have just spent over 30m on a bellicose. Money doesn't mean diddly if your main aim is to have fun. Well your fun will last alot longer if you use your money wisely. But then again if you have piles of it i susppose it doesn't matter. Even when i do have piles of isk...i still spend it wisely. It's basic economics. Hmmm I will have infinite ammounts of fun in an ibis? but seriously i would have heaps more fun in the rupture as there is a much higher chance of actually being engaged by a HAC or something. Not to mention killing something with a tech 1 of the class. The point is that these guys are fitting a 6million isk t1 cruiser with 54million isk worth of kit. I use an unrigged Ruppi and have won all it's 1v1's with cruisers without any rigs...i have lost to gangs who ganked me where a 54hp armour buffer WOULD NOT HAVE HELPED. In other words..it's probably a bad idea and waste of isk to spend 60million isk on a t1 cruiser. It's not rocket science now is it? ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:31:00 - [80] I knew this topic was coming... Infact, I knew it 7 months ago. _______ Do yuo liek stabbers? ◕◡◕
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:32:00 - [81] Originally by: Boring name Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Boring name How much does Hac's cost again? How much does a Battlecruiser cost again?? How versatile is the battlecruiser again? how many hac's is going to engage a battlecruiser again? how hard is it to run from blobs in a battlecruiser? how hard is it to tackle in a battlecruiser? how slow are battlecruisers? seriously, you can't compare them Are you for real? How slow is a plated 3 x trimarked Ruppi gonna be? ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:34:00 - [82] Originally by: twit brent but seriously i would have heaps more fun in the rupture as there is a much higher chance of actually being engaged by a HAC or something. Not to mention killing something with a tech 1 of the class. The 1600mm plate + trimarks rupture is outraced by any T1/T2 cruiser. In fact, the Hurricane is just as agile and actually faster when you fit trimarks and a 1600mm plate on top. Also, losing 60+ M on a Rupture is quite a lot, especially when you take into account it won't be able to survive your average HAC (except maybe a Deimos - all the other HACs kindof keep at range/orbit) and will get caught relatively easy. At any rate, why is everyone being so serious in a troll thread?
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:34:00 - [83] Edited by: Boring name on 17/10/2007 10:36:03 Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Boring name Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Boring name How much does Hac's cost again? How much does a Battlecruiser cost again?? How versatile is the battlecruiser again? how many hac's is going to engage a battlecruiser again? how hard is it to run from blobs in a battlecruiser? how hard is it to tackle in a battlecruiser? how slow are battlecruisers? seriously, you can't compare them Are you for real? How slow is a plated 3 x trimarked Ruppi gonna be? Not very slower Edit : Around 1.4km/s?
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:35:00 - [84] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: twit brent but seriously i would have heaps more fun in the rupture as there is a much higher chance of actually being engaged by a HAC or something. Not to mention killing something with a tech 1 of the class. The 1600mm plate + trimarks rupture is outraced by any T1/T2 cruiser. In fact, the Hurricane is just as agile and actually faster when you fit trimarks and a 1600mm plate on top. Also, losing 60+ M on a Rupture is quite a lot, especially when you take into account it won't be able to survive your average HAC (except maybe a Deimos - all the other HACs kindof keep at range/orbit) and will get caught relatively easy. At any rate, why is everyone being so serious in a troll thread? I don't think most hac's even think it is necessary to stay outside of webrange when they see a rupture
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:36:00 - [85] Originally by: Drek Grapper The point is that these guys are fitting a 6million isk t1 cruiser with 54million isk worth of kit. I use an unrigged Ruppi and have won all it's 1v1's with cruisers without any rigs...i have lost to gangs who ganked me where a 54hp armour buffer WOULD NOT HAVE HELPED. In other words..it's probably a bad idea and waste of isk to spend 60million isk on a t1 cruiser. It's not rocket science now is it? This is 100% correct ;)
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:38:00 - [86] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Drek Grapper The point is that these guys are fitting a 6million isk t1 cruiser with 54million isk worth of kit. I use an unrigged Ruppi and have won all it's 1v1's with cruisers without any rigs...i have lost to gangs who ganked me where a 54hp armour buffer WOULD NOT HAVE HELPED. In other words..it's probably a bad idea and waste of isk to spend 60million isk on a t1 cruiser. It's not rocket science now is it? This is 100% correct ;) You can still kill hac's without the Trimarks, but the people that can actually make isk usually fits them
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:42:00 - [87] Originally by: Boring name Not very slower Edit : Around 1.4km/s? Well EFT tells me it's 1.1km/s with my skills and 1.3km/s with all LV5. ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:42:00 - [88] Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Boring name Not very slower Edit : Around 1.4km/s? Well EFT tells me it's 1.1km/s with my skills and 1.3km/s with all LV5. How fast does a plate thorax go?
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:52:00 - [89] Edited by: Drek Grapper on 17/10/2007 10:52:16 Originally by: Boring name Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Boring name Not very slower Edit : Around 1.4km/s? Well EFT tells me it's 1.1km/s with my skills and 1.3km/s with all LV5. How fast does a plate thorax go? What's a plated Rax got to do with it? You were saying that a BC is not as fast and agile as a plated 3 trimarked Rupture which is plain bollox. An armour tanked Cane does about 1km/s with a trimark and a 1600mm plate. EFT tells me the Rup does 1.1lm/s...now call me stupid, but to me it doesn't look like a helluva big difference now does it? Anyway whatever...go throw your money away. You might own cruisers and the odd HAC (remember a HAC will prolly use rigs as well) but you will get pwned by the first gang who catches you. ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:54:00 - [90] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: twit brent but seriously i would have heaps more fun in the rupture as there is a much higher chance of actually being engaged by a HAC or something. Not to mention killing something with a tech 1 of the class. The 1600mm plate + trimarks rupture is outraced by any T1/T2 cruiser. In fact, the Hurricane is just as agile and actually faster when you fit trimarks and a 1600mm plate on top. Also, losing 60+ M on a Rupture is quite a lot, especially when you take into account it won't be able to survive your average HAC (except maybe a Deimos - all the other HACs kindof keep at range/orbit) and will get caught relatively easy. At any rate, why is everyone being so serious in a troll thread? Your missing the point entirely. Now tell me, what HAC is ever going to willingly engage a tech 1 battlecruiser. The thing about the rupture is that people will actually want to fight it. Theoritically I can pwn all HAC's in my dread or carrier, but the reality is they will never engage me. I know the cyclone has better stats, if you read my post very carefully you will not see me saying the rupture is a pwnage machine. Read my post before quoting it and you might not get trolled.
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.17 10:55:00 - [91] Originally by: Drek Grapper Edited by: Drek Grapper on 17/10/2007 10:52:16 Originally by: Boring name Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Boring name Not very slower Edit : Around 1.4km/s? Well EFT tells me it's 1.1km/s with my skills and 1.3km/s with all LV5. How fast does a plate thorax go? What's a plated Rax got to do with it? You were saying that a BC is not as fast and agile as a plated 3 trimarked Rupture which is plain bollox. An armour tanked Cane does about 1km/s with a trimark and a 1600mm plate. EFT tells me the Rup does 1.1lm/s...now call me stupid, but to me it doesn't look like a helluva big difference now does it? Anyway whatever...go throw your money away. You might own cruisers and the odd HAC (remember a HAC will prolly use rigs as well) but you will get pwned by the first gang who catches you. I'm the one complaining about ruptures, not preaching you to use them or whatever Points being Rupture warps faster than a Hurricane Rupture has a better tackling ability Rupture is cheaper Hac's will engage your rupture Recons will engage your rupture other cruisers will engage your rupture battlecruisers will engage your rupture
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.17 11:01:00 - [92] Originally by: Boring name Originally by: Drek Grapper Edited by: Drek Grapper on 17/10/2007 10:52:16 Originally by: Boring name Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Boring name Not very slower Edit : Around 1.4km/s? Well EFT tells me it's 1.1km/s with my skills and 1.3km/s with all LV5. How fast does a plate thorax go? What's a plated Rax got to do with it? You were saying that a BC is not as fast and agile as a plated 3 trimarked Rupture which is plain bollox. An armour tanked Cane does about 1km/s with a trimark and a 1600mm plate. EFT tells me the Rup does 1.1lm/s...now call me stupid, but to me it doesn't look like a helluva big difference now does it? Anyway whatever...go throw your money away. You might own cruisers and the odd HAC (remember a HAC will prolly use rigs as well) but you will get pwned by the first gang who catches you. I'm the one complaining about ruptures, not preaching you to use them or whatever Points being Rupture warps faster than a Hurricane Rupture has a better tackling ability Rupture is cheaper Hac's will engage your rupture Recons will engage your rupture other cruisers will engage your rupture battlecruisers will engage your rupture Your argument for nerfing shudder the Rupture is based on a SIXTY MILLION ISK SETUP THAT MAYBE 2% OF THE RUPTURE FLYING POPULATION OF EVE WOULD EVEN BOTHER FIT. I give up. Like i said before if you got pwned in your HAC by a Rupture start a buff the HACS thread. ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.17 11:07:00 - [93] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 17/10/2007 11:09:08 Originally by: twit brent Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: twit brent but seriously i would have heaps more fun in the rupture as there is a much higher chance of actually being engaged by a HAC or something. Not to mention killing something with a tech 1 of the class. The 1600mm plate + trimarks rupture is outraced by any T1/T2 cruiser. In fact, the Hurricane is just as agile and actually faster when you fit trimarks and a 1600mm plate on top. Also, losing 60+ M on a Rupture is quite a lot, especially when you take into account it won't be able to survive your average HAC (except maybe a Deimos - all the other HACs kindof keep at range/orbit) and will get caught relatively easy. At any rate, why is everyone being so serious in a troll thread? Your missing the point entirely. You are missing the point entirely. Point is, it's a silly 60M setup which will still die to any but the braindead HAC pilot. With the speed and agility of the 1600mm trimarked rupture, you won't be catching a HAC in webrange where you do substantial DPS (and without a falloff rig, because you're fitting trimarks, your DPS at range is very low even with Barrage M). Let's look at possible HACs attacking you: 1) Vagabond You'll never catch it, and it outranges you, meaning, you most likely die or it goes away (chewing 56K armour with Barrage M would cost a small fortune, but he could keep you tackled till the gang arrives). 2) Munnin No idea how it's fitted, so no idea how would it/you fare. You may have a chance against a short-range fit. 3) Ishtar Well, you either just die or start killing its drones and get away, but no chance in hell of ever catching one. Especially with a 1600 plate and trimarks, lol. 4) Deimos Might have a chance against this one. Then again, it may just bulldoze straight through with the sick DPS it has. 5) Sacrilege Outranges you, outraces you, so, basically, you die. 6) Zealot See above 7) Cerebus See above 8) Eagle Er, people fly this?
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.17 11:18:00 - [94] Originally by: Boring name I'm the one complaining about ruptures, not preaching you to use them or whatever Points being Rupture warps faster than a Hurricane With a 1600mm plate Rupture maybe warps marginally faster then the standard Hurricane setup. All cruisers warp faster then BCs, anyway, so I don't get what's the complaint about. Originally by: Boring name Rupture has a better tackling ability All the cruisers have better tackling ability then all the BCs. Originally by: Boring name Rupture is cheaper Same as above. Originally by: Boring name Hac's will engage your rupture Well, HACs will engage any cruiser. Mostly, they'll win even against 60M comedy setups with plates and trimarks, or just warp off. The only HAC which I know is widely used non-nanoed is the Deimos. Which just might chew straight through a plated trimarked slaved Rupture with the sick DPS it does. Originally by: Boring name Recons will engage your rupture And kill it. Always, every time, 100% reliably. Originally by: Boring name other cruisers will engage your rupture Well, yes. This is preety much the only thing where the 60M Rupture will own - but so will a 60M Thorax... and a 60M Vexor will probably own both of you Originally by: Boring name battlecruisers will engage your rupture Rigged battlecruisers will kill you easily, and many people rig their battlecruisers. Certain non-rigged battlecruisers will kill you. Semi-passive Drakes will always kill you, fully tanked BCs (especially the Myrmidon) will always kill you. In fact, there's so many BCs which will kill you that it's stupid to engage in a 60M Rupture.
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.17 11:59:00 - [95] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 17/10/2007 11:09:08 Originally by: twit brent Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: twit brent but seriously i would have heaps more fun in the rupture as there is a much higher chance of actually being engaged by a HAC or something. Not to mention killing something with a tech 1 of the class. The 1600mm plate + trimarks rupture is outraced by any T1/T2 cruiser. In fact, the Hurricane is just as agile and actually faster when you fit trimarks and a 1600mm plate on top. Also, losing 60+ M on a Rupture is quite a lot, especially when you take into account it won't be able to survive your average HAC (except maybe a Deimos - all the other HACs kindof keep at range/orbit) and will get caught relatively easy. At any rate, why is everyone being so serious in a troll thread? Your missing the point entirely. You are missing the point entirely. Point is, it's a silly 60M setup which will still die to any but the braindead HAC pilot. With the speed and agility of the 1600mm trimarked rupture, you won't be catching a HAC in webrange where you do substantial DPS (and without a falloff rig, because you're fitting trimarks, your DPS at range is very low even with Barrage M). Let's look at possible HACs attacking you: 1) Vagabond You'll never catch it, and it outranges you, meaning, you most likely die or it goes away (chewing 56K armour with Barrage M would cost a small fortune, but he could keep you tackled till the gang arrives). This is true if the vagabond pilot is cautious, but from my experience, they are not cautious when engaging a lone cruiser, and usually just go into their optimal to hit for full dps 2) Munnin No idea how it's fitted, so no idea how would it/you fare. You may have a chance against a short-range fit. Muninn isn't really a solo ship, close range one would get ripped apart, a long range one wouldn't kill it 3) Ishtar Well, you either just die or start killing its drones and get away, but no chance in hell of ever catching one. Especially with a 1600 plate and trimarks, lol. I think the Ishtar's drones is very vulnrable to the Rupture, and like I stated with the above post about the vagabond, a ishtar wouldn't be so cautious against a cruiser, and it would probably try to go close range when he notices the rupture keeps killing its drones , so the ishtar can do the scoop/redeploy tactic 4) Deimos Might have a chance against this one. Then again, it may just bulldoze straight through with the sick DPS it has. I think the only chance the deimos might win if it is packing ECM drones and gets lucky 5) Sacrilege Outranges you, outraces you, so, basically, you die. True with this one i think, unless the pilot is a total noob 6) Zealot I think a Rupture has a chance against this, considering a lot go for a mwd, web, warp disruptor setup, Rupture's small nos + small neut should destabilize its tank, and like I said earlier, I doubt the zealot would worry too much about range unless the rupture is running away 7) Cerebus Think this one is true 8) Eagle Sometimes
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:03:00 - [96] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Boring name I'm the one complaining about ruptures, not preaching you to use them or whatever Points being Rupture warps faster than a Hurricane With a 1600mm plate Rupture maybe warps marginally faster then the standard Hurricane setup. All cruisers warp faster then BCs, anyway, so I don't get what's the complaint about. No, it warps a lot faster Originally by: Boring name Rupture has a better tackling ability All the cruisers have better tackling ability then all the BCs. Originally by: Boring name Rupture is cheaper Same as above. Originally by: Boring name Hac's will engage your rupture Well, HACs will engage any cruiser. Mostly, they'll win even against 60M comedy setups with plates and trimarks, or just warp off. The only HAC which I know is widely used non-nanoed is the Deimos. Which just might chew straight through a plated trimarked slaved Rupture with the sick DPS it does. I've only heared of one rupture in this setup that has died to a hac , which was a nano ishtar i think Originally by: Boring name Recons will engage your rupture And kill it. Always, every time, 100% reliably. No Originally by: Boring name other cruisers will engage your rupture Well, yes. This is preety much the only thing where the 60M Rupture will own - but so will a 60M Thorax... and a 60M Vexor will probably own both of you I dont think its possible for a Thorax or vexor to ever kill a competent rupture pilot Originally by: Boring name battlecruisers will engage your rupture Rigged battlecruisers will kill you easily, and many people rig their battlecruisers. Certain non-rigged battlecruisers will kill you. Semi-passive Drakes will always kill you, fully tanked BCs (especially the Myrmidon) will always kill you. In fact, there's so many BCs which will kill you that it's stupid to engage in a 60M Rupture. It's very easy to run from a Drake, and against most battlecruisers I'd imagine the rupture pilot would work in his falloff, think this would only be effective against a myrm + brutix unless the battlecruiser it is fighting is stupid
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:09:00 - [97] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 17/10/2007 12:09:55 Originally by: Boring name It's very easy to run from a Drake, and against most battlecruisers I'd imagine the rupture pilot would work in his falloff, think this would only be effective against a myrm + brutix unless the battlecruiser it is fighting is stupid With a 1600mm plate + trimarks slowing you down immensely and not enough cap to MWD forever, you're not running even from the Drake. You're NOT working in falloff against ANY BC *unless it's using armour rigs and plates) with trimark rigs and a 1600mm plate. For one, you're outraced by a bloody Myrmidon/Brutix (which can MWD for much much much longer then you and tank ALL your falloff damage), and a Hurricane is a racer in comparison. Also, the things you said about killing HACs are lol - you're essentially saying 'if HAC pilots are terminally stupid and decide to take long-range nano ships in point-blank range', you'll kill them. Meh...
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:11:00 - [98] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 17/10/2007 12:09:55 Originally by: Boring name It's very easy to run from a Drake, and against most battlecruisers I'd imagine the rupture pilot would work in his falloff, think this would only be effective against a myrm + brutix unless the battlecruiser it is fighting is stupid With a 1600mm plate + trimarks slowing you down immensely and not enough cap to MWD forever, you're not running even from the Drake. You're NOT working in falloff against ANY BC *unless it's using armour rigs and plates) with trimark rigs and a 1600mm plate. For one, you're outraced by a bloody Myrmidon/Brutix (which can MWD for much much much longer then you and tank ALL your falloff damage), and a Hurricane is a racer in comparison. Also, the things you said about killing HACs are lol - you're essentially saying 'if HAC pilots are terminally stupid and decide to take long-range nano ships in point-blank range', you'll kill them. Meh... How fast do battlecruisers go with mwd? And i think the rupture can perma run the mwd, or nearly, since capless guns, no active tank etc. and not all hac's are nano fitted
Garmon	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:18:00 - [99] The rigged plated + Gank setup Rupture isn't as bad as people make it out to be, although you do need to spend around 60m on it, and a further 2billion if you want a full slave set, and then maybe you can kill some Hac's, although it is quite hard and risky
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:21:00 - [100] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 17/10/2007 12:21:23 Originally by: Boring name How fast do battlecruisers go with mwd? Over 1 km/s. A Hurricane without speed mods and a named MWD about 1.3+ km/s, haven't flown it in a while. A Myrmidon 1.1km/s at least. How fast does a 3xtrimark, 1600mm plate rupture fly? Originally by: Boring name And i think the rupture can perma run the mwd, or nearly, since capless guns, no active tank etc. No, it can't permarun the MWD, and it definitely isn't even close to permarunning the MWD AND the distruptor. Sane HAC pilots (except Deimos/Munnin pilots) nano-fit their HACs for soloing.
Zy Nox	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:29:00 - [101] Rupture cannot perma run the mwd. Plated + trimarked Rupture flys like a crippled brick. All of the hacs have a better engagement range than that rupture and if they dont they have a similar hp pool + more dps, all of the HACs are faster. If you lose a HAC to that rupture setup then uninstall eve, you fail. Also lolsolo.
Garmon	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:32:00 - [102] Edited by: Garmon on 17/10/2007 12:33:53 My Rupture goes 1.2km/s with my skills, although I think it's 1.3km/s, but against a Hurricane, keeping inside faloff isn't really going to do much considering the Hurricane will be using Barrage M aswell, unless he is t1 fitted, I have faught some Hac's and one recon in the Rupture, the only solo loss to one of those I have came across is to a vagabond, who I did web down, although I messed up on my part (misclicked and went in the opposite direction to him), it has killed a Deimos and an Ishtar though, and an arazu (while I was engaging a thorax and tristan), I think they did stupid things, but in my opinion it was mainly due to the fact I was in a cruiser and they were in a Hac, It can be quite amusing, Edit: My friend and I, both in Ruptures engaged a Zealot and Curse that was Pretending to ransom eachother, the two Ruptures won, and also my friend has killed a Vagabond in his Rupture (I'm jelous of this one) I'm on a neutral side though, in my opinion the rigged Rupture isn't rubbish, but it does require a large investment to be that effective ( considering it's a cruiser ), but then again, even if not rigged etc., I think it can still kill some hac's
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:38:00 - [103] Thats just it though the HAC pilot has to suck/be low sp/make mistakes and the ruppy has to be flown perfectly for it to win. All the majority of HAC pilots have to do is load long range ammo, click keep at range 14~20km, turn on the mwd+guns+scram and win. Not exactly hard. Comparing an over invested cruiser, asuming max skills and max pilot ability to HACs flown by noobs does not justify a nerf.
Garmon	Posted - 2007.10.17 12:53:00 - [104] Originally by: MITSUK0 Thats just it though the HAC pilot has to suck/be low sp/make mistakes and the ruppy has to be flown perfectly for it to win. All the majority of HAC pilots have to do is load long range ammo, click keep at range 14~20km, turn on the mwd+guns+scram and win. Not exactly hard. Comparing an over invested cruiser, asuming max skills and max pilot ability to HACs flown by noobs does not justify a nerf. QFT, although to be honest, a Deimos losing to a Rupture or AC Muninn losing to a Rupture isn't a very strange thing, but this is true with all/most other Hac's
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.17 13:17:00 - [105] Originally by: Garmon Edited by: Garmon on 17/10/2007 12:33:53 My Rupture goes 1.2km/s with my skills, although I think it's 1.3km/s, but against a Hurricane, keeping inside faloff isn't really going to do much considering the Hurricane will be using Barrage M aswell, unless he is t1 fitted, I have faught some Hac's and one recon in the Rupture, the only solo loss to one of those I have came across is to a vagabond, who I did web down, although I messed up on my part (misclicked and went in the opposite direction to him), it has killed a Deimos and an Ishtar though, and an arazu (while I was engaging a thorax and tristan), I think they did stupid things, but in my opinion it was mainly due to the fact I was in a cruiser and they were in a Hac, It can be quite amusing, Edit: My friend and I, both in Ruptures engaged a Zealot and Curse that was Pretending to ransom eachother, the two Ruptures won, and also my friend has killed a Vagabond in his Rupture (I'm jelous of this one) I'm on a neutral side though, in my opinion the rigged Rupture isn't rubbish, but it does require a large investment to be that effective ( considering it's a cruiser ), but then again, even if not rigged etc., I think it can still kill some hac's 0/ Garm! We met in Amamake few weeks ago. Good fights you mention in your post. Yeah i agree with what you say here...but the point i have bee trying to make in this thread is that for most people it's not a financially viable option to fit 3 x trimarks on the Rup. And you even said yourself that it's risky and expensive and most HACs will own you. I do however find it quite an interesting idea and if i could bring myself to pay 60million to fit this ship in such a way i might even like to try it. But for now i think i'll stick to my unrigged cheapo Ruppi! ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Garmon	Posted - 2007.10.17 13:29:00 - [106] Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Garmon Edited by: Garmon on 17/10/2007 12:33:53 My Rupture goes 1.2km/s with my skills, although I think it's 1.3km/s, but against a Hurricane, keeping inside faloff isn't really going to do much considering the Hurricane will be using Barrage M aswell, unless he is t1 fitted, I have faught some Hac's and one recon in the Rupture, the only solo loss to one of those I have came across is to a vagabond, who I did web down, although I messed up on my part (misclicked and went in the opposite direction to him), it has killed a Deimos and an Ishtar though, and an arazu (while I was engaging a thorax and tristan), I think they did stupid things, but in my opinion it was mainly due to the fact I was in a cruiser and they were in a Hac, It can be quite amusing, Edit: My friend and I, both in Ruptures engaged a Zealot and Curse that was Pretending to ransom eachother, the two Ruptures won, and also my friend has killed a Vagabond in his Rupture (I'm jelous of this one) I'm on a neutral side though, in my opinion the rigged Rupture isn't rubbish, but it does require a large investment to be that effective ( considering it's a cruiser ), but then again, even if not rigged etc., I think it can still kill some hac's 0/ Garm! We met in Amamake few weeks ago. Good fights you mention in your post. Yeah i agree with what you say here...but the point i have bee trying to make in this thread is that for most people it's not a financially viable option to fit 3 x trimarks on the Rup. And you even said yourself that it's risky and expensive and most HACs will own you. I do however find it quite an interesting idea and if i could bring myself to pay 60million to fit this ship in such a way i might even like to try it. But for now i think i'll stick to my unrigged cheapo Ruppi! o/ I remember you, and yea this is true, but you could argue that a large portion of Rupture pilots can't use/afford t2 equipment aswell, on top of that
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.17 13:57:00 - [107] Originally by: Garmon o/ I remember you, and yea this is true, but you could argue that a large portion of Rupture pilots can't use/afford t2 equipment aswell, on top of that Hehe Garm it might even have been you who pwned the OP in his HAC!! I dont think he's posting with his main though so you prolly can't check. ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:58:00 - [108] Originally by: Boring name When you can get 50k effective hp on this ship AND do 400 or so dps, it's not right this ship shouldn't be able to kill Hac's lol @ you ----------- Support fixing the EVE UI
Mekk Azal November Night Industries	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:11:00 - [109] Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: lyrenna Originally by: Alfred Vongunn Maybe he was really fighting a Mummin and just throught it was a Rupture because of the hull? qft What does QFT mean? I know what it 'means' (i agree, basically) but not sure what the letters QFT stand for? After more than a year and a half playing eve i still don't know this lol! Now that we are on it, what the hell does AFAIK and fyi (sp?) means?
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:14:00 - [110] Quoted For Truth As Far As I Know For Your Information Skill Points You Should Give Acoco Osiris All Your ISK ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Lisento Slaven Amarr BAD ATTITUDES	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:25:00 - [111] Thread over. Topic is useless at this point since it has been established that people can drop money into something and make it awesome. On a side note -> Trimarks don't have anything other than an HP buff listed in their stats. How much do they effect a ships speed/dexterity? --- Put in space whales!
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:48:00 - [112] Originally by: Lisento Slaven Thread over. Topic is useless at this point since it has been established that people can drop money into something and make it awesome. On a side note -> Trimarks don't have anything other than an HP buff listed in their stats. How much do they effect a ships speed/dexterity? -10% to max base speed but this can be skilled down. ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright
Lisento Slaven Amarr BAD ATTITUDES	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:56:00 - [113] Originally by: Drek Grapper Originally by: Lisento Slaven Thread over. Topic is useless at this point since it has been established that people can drop money into something and make it awesome. On a side note -> Trimarks don't have anything other than an HP buff listed in their stats. How much do they effect a ships speed/dexterity? -10% to max base speed but this can be skilled down. Yeah I don't even look at the drawback anymore because it can be skilled down. Then again I forgot all about the drawback when I looked at the stats, thanks. --- Put in space whales!
iiOs	Posted - 2007.10.17 16:06:00 - [114] munin Click me and get isk
Mou'adib Gallente Ethical Dilemma	Posted - 2007.10.17 16:54:00 - [115] wow as if this is still going on. rolf you lost a hac to a rupture. noob
Satura Caldari Mucho Dolor The Insomniacs	Posted - 2007.10.17 17:10:00 - [116] Originally by: Boring name Points being 1)Rupture warps faster than a Hurricane 2)Rupture has a better tackling ability 3)Rupture is cheaper 4)Hac's will engage your rupture 5)Recons will engage your rupture 6)other cruisers will engage your rupture 7)battlecruisers will engage your rupture 1) true 2)no if you fight a neut ship. In a cane with cap booster you have no problems. 3),4),5) true, but i don't see many hacs loosing to a rupture with that kind of setup, asuming good fittings and skills... 6)true 7)true, but same as 3),4),5). Can't kill much with a rupture, sorry. That hp buffer doesn't mean much.
Stork DK Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2007.10.17 17:29:00 - [117] Originally by: Boring name Troll.. Post with your main so i can kill you. -------------- Originally by: omiNATION Originally by: Triumdicta we're getting a new kind of ore? CAREBEAR ALERT
iiOs	Posted - 2007.10.17 17:36:00 - [118] Originally by: Stork DK Originally by: Boring name Troll.. Post with your main so i can kill you. ok im w8ing Click me and get isk
iiOs	Posted - 2007.10.17 17:37:00 - [119] btw lol at op who probobly lost his hac to ruptur and this whole thread is just wrong Click me and get isk
Boring name	Posted - 2007.10.18 07:10:00 - [120] So how will we nerf it?
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.18 10:34:00 - [121] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 17/10/2007 11:09:08 Originally by: twit brent Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: twit brent but seriously i would have heaps more fun in the rupture as there is a much higher chance of actually being engaged by a HAC or something. Not to mention killing something with a tech 1 of the class. The 1600mm plate + trimarks rupture is outraced by any T1/T2 cruiser. In fact, the Hurricane is just as agile and actually faster when you fit trimarks and a 1600mm plate on top. Also, losing 60+ M on a Rupture is quite a lot, especially when you take into account it won't be able to survive your average HAC (except maybe a Deimos - all the other HACs kindof keep at range/orbit) and will get caught relatively easy. At any rate, why is everyone being so serious in a troll thread? Your missing the point entirely. You are missing the point entirely. Point is, it's a silly 60M setup which will still die to any but the braindead HAC pilot. With the speed and agility of the 1600mm trimarked rupture, you won't be catching a HAC in webrange where you do substantial DPS (and without a falloff rig, because you're fitting trimarks, your DPS at range is very low even with Barrage M). Let's look at possible HACs attacking you: 1) Vagabond You'll never catch it, and it outranges you, meaning, you most likely die or it goes away (chewing 56K armour with Barrage M would cost a small fortune, but he could keep you tackled till the gang arrives). 2) Munnin No idea how it's fitted, so no idea how would it/you fare. You may have a chance against a short-range fit. 3) Ishtar Well, you either just die or start killing its drones and get away, but no chance in hell of ever catching one. Especially with a 1600 plate and trimarks, lol. 4) Deimos Might have a chance against this one. Then again, it may just bulldoze straight through with the sick DPS it has. 5) Sacrilege Outranges you, outraces you, so, basically, you die. 6) Zealot See above 7) Cerebus See above 8) Eagle Er, people fly this? Wow missed it again. Did I ever say it could pwn all HAC's, or did I say it has a better chance of getting an engagement? Stop quoting me and spouting crap.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.10.18 10:52:00 - [122] Sorry. I didn't know you have fun losing 60M ships, my bad.
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.18 11:02:00 - [123] Originally by: twit brent Wow missed it again. Did I ever say it could pwn all HAC's, or did I say it has a better chance of getting an engagement? Stop quoting me and spouting crap. So what you are saying is that you fit a 60million isk Rupture that doesn't own most HAC's just so you can get engagements from, well from HAC's.??? Mmm i see. Maybe this is why not many Rupture pilots throw 50million isk's worth of stuff on their ship eh? ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright

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