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Lady Hofstedar
Nexus Confederation
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:09:00 -
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So im sat looking at the threads and im asking myself, surley these people cant be this damn stupid, the more i read the more im convinced, yes your are inface that damn stupid.
Lets go back to 04 when lvl mission rats used to give 1mil bounties per bs killed and 500k per bc killed, i also remeber my 0.0 main, there was alot of pvp because our alts made the ISK needed to keep up the fleets. Then came the mission nerf because a bunch of no job pvp elite monkeys screamed loud enough and ccp was stupid enough to listen to them. And so PvP dropped off because our alts made about 1/4 of what we used to make on a daily basis, so pvp drops off, more people are ratting, mining in null trying to make isk, getting ships down. It started to go downhill from there.
Then Goons came and royally ****** null and empire up rather quickly.
Then incursions came, awsum way to make isk, but griefer corps rose to get *faction* battleship kills for the kb's.
I am also noteing how the *elite* griefers and pvpers who routinley mess up empire corps are now complaining about the lack of players in eve online. Ironic no? They very thing you complain about, you caused to happen, let me outline it for you.
You grief new corps daily, these corps shut down New players quit because they cant join any corp without being blown up (forced pvp) Tax rate on npc corp raised because *elite* griefers and pvp complain about a lack of targets Market prices for basic t2 modules and ships rocket because there is now a lack of indy corps because they are routinly screwed over. Now the russians control the market. No new recruits for pvp corps in null because empire griefer alts are making new players quit 0.0 regions (apart from hubs) become deadzones, player numbers drop off Again all caused by the *pvp corps* themselves. Empire can be busy but alot of the time now its not Recruitment channel used to 1500-2000 on the weekends fri-monday now its more like 300-600 - again, people are now quitting because they are sick of being blown up. New pvp corps die out because *elite* corps dec them and take them camping non stop
A friend of mine started playing two weeks ago, he has been in 6 corps since and each one has had random decs levelled at it and 1bil in isk ransom demanded. Should this be allowed to continue?
And now you jihading incursions, why? Because you screwed up null sec with your empire alts actions? Your griefer corps actions? So u attack another section of eve that brings in new corps? New players? Well done, another way of destroying the game.
I know im gonnaa get flamed and trolled, probbaly war decced as a result of this post. but here is my message to the pvpers of eve
YOU complain about the lack of the new players, corps, 0.0 warefare, YOU routinley grief new corps and alliances that could grow into massivley new alliances and pvp corps.
YOU have only YOURSELF to BLAME for the fact EvE Online MMO is dieing, because YOU, the PVP COMMUNITY, are to blame, you hark on about carebears, go ahead, but everyone starts out, or 90% do as carebears, YOU are the ones DESTROYING this game, you want the game to change? YOU have to chaneg your HABITS AND GRIEFING WARS to sink this in.
You have only yourself to blame. CCP is not at fault, the game is not at fault, the pvpers of eve are at fault, you want null sec to become fun again? Get out of empire and get back into eve pvp as it was ment to be played. Because after 07, eve become a slow dieing train and YOU the ELITE PVP GRIEFERS are to blame.
Go ahead n flame, the more u doe it, the more u prove my point. Your just to stupid to see your actions in the short term massivley effect the game in the longterm, narrow minded individuals.
And before i am called a *bear* and a *newb* I was in the orginal CA/5/BOB and have lived in null since 04 to 2010 when id finally had enuff, i have pvped in fast gangs,.bombers the works, so dont throw childish insults
Hoff Out |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
326
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:10:00 -
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damn grifers |

Atticus Fynch
402
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:10:00 -
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ok?  GÿàGÿàGÿàCargo Pilots Unite!!!GÿàGÿàGÿà https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=668132&#post668132 |

Holy One
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
161
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:11:00 -
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tl;dr
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Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
726
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:11:00 -
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Theres more to this game then Empire, you stupid bear. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |

Himnos Altar
Angry Hobos Interstellar Hobos
7
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:12:00 -
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Spell Check is your friend.
....possibly your invisible friend. |

Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
213
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:12:00 -
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wtf's a grifer |

Lady Hofstedar
Nexus Confederation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:12:00 -
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They can flame me all they want
Someone had to say it
PvP Players complain and theya re the ones to blame for the way the game is going. |

Lady Hofstedar
Nexus Confederation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:13:00 -
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Himnos Altar wrote:Spell Check is your friend.
....possibly your invisible friend.
I am dislexic, sorry
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
89
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:13:00 -
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HDFU
I don't really find PvE in the game terribly interesting, that includes incursions, missions.
Exploration is fun people tend to shoot at you , but yeah, its an MMO, there will be griefing. |
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
326
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:13:00 -
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please post with your main and tell us where the nasty grifer touched you |

Lady Hofstedar
Nexus Confederation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:14:00 -
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Xolve wrote:Theres more to this game then Empire, you stupid bear.
again another elite pvp pilots
i was in the orginal CA/5/BOB. I have lived in null all my life but i have NEVER griefed. Because it is a side to human nature i would never be party to
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Lady Hofstedar
Nexus Confederation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:14:00 -
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Onictus wrote:HDFU I don't really find PvE in the game terribly interesting, that includes incursions, missions. Exploration is fun people tend to shoot at you  , but yeah, its an MMO, there will be griefing.
I agree totally, i really do, but the *amount* of griefing, needs to stop, because how are we supposed to get new players if they quit non stop?
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My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:15:00 -
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This will not end well.
Anyway +1 for the OP |

Gazmin VanBurin
The Tower Of Nevaurus The 99 Percent
58
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:15:00 -
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hum hum interesting, but you speak like the majority of those incursion bears have hard core pvp alts, or even want to pvp at all, but sadly they dont, they want to sit on their space cash and 5 faction fit BSs.
obligatory - U mad bro? |

Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
285
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:15:00 -
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so nothing happends from 04 when you were mining untill ccp intoducted incursions?
seruious.....post with main or gtfo to wow CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |

Lady Hofstedar
Nexus Confederation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:17:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:so nothing happends from 04 when you were mining untill ccp intoducted incursions?
seruious.....post with main or gtfo to wow
I do play wow, i also play aoe/xbox/gw etc
dont make me any less of an eve player and its childish to use *wow* which has been the top MMO in the world for around 10 years as an insult
so in effect u gtfo?
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seany1212
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
73
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:18:00 -
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Lady Hofstedar wrote: people are now quitting because they are sick of being blown up.
You and these people should have biomassed from the beginning. Clearly they did not understand the purpose to this game  |

Lady Hofstedar
Nexus Confederation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:18:00 -
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Gazmin VanBurin wrote:hum hum interesting, but you speak like the majority of those incursion bears have hard core pvp alts, or even want to pvp at all, but sadly they dont, they want to sit on their space cash and 5 faction fit BSs.
obligatory - U mad bro?
Nope, not mad and i know not all of them have pvp alts.
I just long to see a change in the system
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gfldex
287
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:19:00 -
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Lady Hofstedar wrote:I am dislexic, sorry
That's what spell check is for.
More gameplay, less waitplay! Down with AFK-Cloaking! Down with AFK-Alliances! Down with AFK-Mining! |
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kenxi
GLOBAL DISSENSION KRYSIS.
21
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:19:00 -
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OP I very much agree the newer players get thrown into a very harsh environment. I don't know what could be done about it but something should be other wise our player base will eventually shrink. however posting on these forums alls you will find is GTFO people all and all the other @$#$% ^^^^^^ Check out my videos at -áhttp://www.youtube.com/user/Zsnethen.com |

Lady Hofstedar
Nexus Confederation
6
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:19:00 -
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seany1212 wrote:Lady Hofstedar wrote: people are now quitting because they are sick of being blown up.
You and these people should have biomassed from the beginning. Clearly they did not understand the purpose to this game 
The perpose is to play the game as you see fit, not how small corps of idiots demand u play how they play to become there meat tio grind, and your answer is that of an *elitist*, you are further proving my point
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
326
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:19:00 -
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post with your main |

Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
130
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:21:00 -
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I've never been griefed in EVE.
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Lady Hofstedar
Nexus Confederation
6
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:22:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:post with your main
This is my main. My accounts where hacked on 2010 after i had quit, my systema s infected with an rxbot (ddos mechanic) and the accounts where used to sell isk and banned, i was told i am not allowed them back to i cam back a few months ago
So again, this is my main :)
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
326
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:24:00 -
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Lady Hofstedar wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:post with your main This is my main. My accounts where hacked on 2010 after i had quit, my systema s infected with an rxbot (ddos mechanic) and the accounts where used to sell isk and banned, i was told i am not allowed them back to i cam back a few months ago So again, this is my main :) this is your main?
how tragic |

Lady Hofstedar
Nexus Confederation
6
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:25:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Lady Hofstedar wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:post with your main This is my main. My accounts where hacked on 2010 after i had quit, my systema s infected with an rxbot (ddos mechanic) and the accounts where used to sell isk and banned, i was told i am not allowed them back to i cam back a few months ago So again, this is my main :) this is your main? how tragic
Typical elitist childish comments, again you further prove my point on how debased the community of eve has become
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
326
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:26:00 -
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the_internet wrote:About Nexus-Confederation
Nexus Confederation
NXD is a corp based on making sure your *real life* is not affected by your *online world*. To that end we have a created a corp that has a 7 night a week schedule but no operations are mandertory. You turn up to whatever operations you feel you are interested in.
Real life should always be at the forefront of your mind, but thus, online game ceos and guild leaders are sometimes very, shall we say, single livers? I am not, im married, 3 kids and my life comes first.
We will do all aspects of EvE Online
PvP PvE Mining Missions Incursions (Incursions will run when i have logistical pilots and the armor gang) 0.0 Sections Low Sec Roams
We will do it all, we will build ith a set plan on how to do this :)
So how much PVP have you entertained your corpmembers with so far? |

Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
64
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:27:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Lady Hofstedar wrote:I am dislexic, sorry That's what check spell is for.
fyp |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
326
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:30:00 -
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s**t just got real, i just noticed the corp you used to belong to....
we made your corp failcascade
i guess that makes me a grifer |
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Gazmin VanBurin
The Tower Of Nevaurus The 99 Percent
58
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:35:00 -
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EvE is for playing as you see fit, and in that respect the griefers see fit to play to make your play miserable. So your asking people to respect your game play by forcing others to stop their game play. You mam are a terible person at the center of your small whiny heart, why would you be so crule to all those newbies that join the game just looking forward to griefing carebears? do you hate newbies that much? |

Valei Khurelem
208
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:38:00 -
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I'm very tempted these days to just let my account run out as Mass Effect 3 comes out and I have an Orca but I've made friends here who are nothing like the asshats on this forum and far more fun.
Why can't you people quit trolling anyone who has a different and correct opinion to you and go do something useful? Maybe you should consider a hobby or exercise with some weights once in awhile, considering how often I see the regular trolls on here you sure seem like you could bloody use it.
The problem here is, people claim griefers are a part of the game, but the problem is, there is no effective way to combat them that doesn't revolve around having billions of ISK, fleets or a tech 2 or higher ship at your disposal, it's just utterly pointless claiming this game is a sandbox when one play style cannot counter the other as you'd expect in a GAME.
Why should players who don't want anything to do with combat be forced to train skills for days, grind ISK for hours just to get onto a level playing field with griefers who's only objective in the game is to try and make others miserable when they can just go ahead and unsub, play minecraft and have far more fun that way in a lot less time?
The logic on this forum is baffling.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
326
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:42:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:I'm very tempted these days to just let my account run out please do. your corp history makes me sad inside. |

Valei Khurelem
208
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:44:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:I'm very tempted these days to just let my account run out please do. your corp history makes me sad inside.
Yeah well, making a corp is a **** take, no wonder people hide in NPC corporations when you can't even be a CEO casually in this game, it's just downright stupid.
You lot seriously need to get your act together and recognise the blatant and obvious problems with this game, it could be great fun, but there are morons insisting MMORPGs should all be about grinding constantly and keeping subbed the longest.
On a completely off topic note.... I REALLY LIKE THE NEW UI CHANGES! :)
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
326
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:46:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:I'm very tempted these days to just let my account run out please do. your corp history makes me sad inside. Yeah well, making a corp is a **** take, no wonder people hide in NPC corporations when you can't even be a CEO casually in this game, it's just downright stupid. You lot seriously need to get your act together and recognise the blatant and obvious problems with this game, it could be great fun, but there are morons insisting MMORPGs should all be about grinding constantly and keeping subbed the longest.
i translated that to mean that nobody would join a corp with you as their CEO, am i right? |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
968
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:47:00 -
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The OP has a point. Pretty much everything in EvE that is ****** up is ****** up because the players ****** it up. Frankly whenever CCP fixes something somebody else fucks it up and then people ***** and whine about it until CCP has to fix it again. Then you have the players that intentionally **** things up because they think they know better or are just flat out assholes that want to ruin the game because it is fun for them. Then after those players ruin the game for everybody else to the point that everybody else quits they ***** and whine about having nobody to **** with and blame CCP.
The glory of the sandbox. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Valei Khurelem
208
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:48:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:I'm very tempted these days to just let my account run out please do. your corp history makes me sad inside. Yeah well, making a corp is a **** take, no wonder people hide in NPC corporations when you can't even be a CEO casually in this game, it's just downright stupid. You lot seriously need to get your act together and recognise the blatant and obvious problems with this game, it could be great fun, but there are morons insisting MMORPGs should all be about grinding constantly and keeping subbed the longest. i translated that to mean that nobody would join a corp with you as their CEO, am i right?
I had 8 members you imbecile.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
326
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:48:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:The OP has a point. Pretty much everything in EvE that is ****** up is ****** up because the players ****** it up. Frankly whenever CCP fixes something somebody else fucks it up and then people ***** and whine about it until CCP has to fix it again. Then you have the players that intentionally **** things up because they think they know better or are just flat out assholes that want to ruin the game because it is fun for them. Then after those players ruin the game for everybody else to the point that everybody else quits they ***** and whine about having nobody to **** with and blame CCP.
The glory of the sandbox.
ITS HILLARIOUS THAT A GUY WITH A QUOTE ABOUT EVE BEING A SANDBOX COMPLAINS ABOUT HOW OTHER PEOPLE PLAY IN HIS SANDBOX.... SO HILLARIOUS THAT I NEEDED TO TYPE THIS IN ALL CAPS |

Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
63
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:48:00 -
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Lady Hofstedar wrote:... (forced pvp)
Thats where i stopped reading.
Don't forget to send me all your stuff before you biomass yourself |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
326
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:49:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:I'm very tempted these days to just let my account run out please do. your corp history makes me sad inside. Yeah well, making a corp is a **** take, no wonder people hide in NPC corporations when you can't even be a CEO casually in this game, it's just downright stupid. You lot seriously need to get your act together and recognise the blatant and obvious problems with this game, it could be great fun, but there are morons insisting MMORPGs should all be about grinding constantly and keeping subbed the longest. i translated that to mean that nobody would join a corp with you as their CEO, am i right? I had 8 members you imbecile.
8 people, that is immense, how did you cope? |
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Ocih
Space Mermaids
65
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:52:00 -
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Lady Hofstedar wrote:Himnos Altar wrote:Spell Check is your friend.
....possibly your invisible friend. I am dislexic, sorry
Don't worry about it, your points were made. All you did was make it further by throwing some blood spots to the GD piranha patrol.
Every time CCP nerf, people in EVE stop doing things they did before. Every time CCP nerfs people are forced to do stuff longer they weren't all that interested in doing before.
"I went to null" I made hundreds of billions doing this that and the other thing" Doesn't mean you can. Most people in EVE are expected to farm ISK for 3 years to even begin to match the null bears. So all you null bears? Sit back and enjoy the wait, hope your PvP blobs don't quit or turn on you while the rest of us grind ISK at 10% levels you did to get numbers 1000% of what you needed in between hulkageddons, gankaMack's, war dec's and scam-a-lams.
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Valei Khurelem
209
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:55:00 -
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Quote:8 people, that is immense, how did you cope?
Please go and troll somewhere else, I don't like you.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
326
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:56:00 -
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So basically, the OP is bad at this game but it is somebody elses fault.
its all so clear now |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
968
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Posted - 2012.01.24 15:00:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:The OP has a point. Pretty much everything in EvE that is ****** up is ****** up because the players ****** it up. Frankly whenever CCP fixes something somebody else fucks it up and then people ***** and whine about it until CCP has to fix it again. Then you have the players that intentionally **** things up because they think they know better or are just flat out assholes that want to ruin the game because it is fun for them. Then after those players ruin the game for everybody else to the point that everybody else quits they ***** and whine about having nobody to **** with and blame CCP.
The glory of the sandbox. ITS HILLARIOUS THAT A GUY WITH A QUOTE ABOUT EVE BEING A SANDBOX COMPLAINS ABOUT HOW OTHER PEOPLE PLAY IN HIS SANDBOX.... SO HILLARIOUS THAT I NEEDED TO TYPE THIS IN ALL CAPS
What is hilarious is that you can't spell "hilarious" and you think because someone makes a simple statement, they must be complaining about it. If I am complaining about anything it is about the players that complain about the game they ****** up. Also...typing in all caps just makes you look stupid. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Valei Khurelem
209
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Posted - 2012.01.24 15:06:00 -
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MY POST IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOURS BECAUSE I WRITE IN BIG BOLD LETTERS AND CAPITALS WHILE USING POORLY WORDED, INCOMPREHENSIBLE ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, I really had to :P
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
326
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Posted - 2012.01.24 15:07:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: What is hilarious is that you can't spell "hilarious"
STOP GRIFING, THIS FORUMS IS FOR SRS DISCUSIONS ONLY! |

Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
10
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Posted - 2012.01.24 15:16:00 -
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Lady Hofstedar wrote:So im sat looking at the threads and im asking myself, surley these people cant be this damn stupid, the more i read the more im convinced, yes your are inface that damn stupid.
Lets go back to 04 when lvl mission rats used to give 1mil bounties per bs killed and 500k per bc killed, i also remeber my 0.0 main, there was alot of pvp because our alts made the ISK needed to keep up the fleets. Then came the mission nerf because a bunch of no job pvp elite monkeys screamed loud enough and ccp was stupid enough to listen to them. And so PvP dropped off because our alts made about 1/4 of what we used to make on a daily basis, so pvp drops off, more people are ratting, mining in null trying to make isk, getting ships down. It started to go downhill from there.
Then Goons came and royally ****** null and empire up rather quickly.
Then incursions came, awsum way to make isk, but griefer corps rose to get *faction* battleship kills for the kb's.
I am also noteing how the *elite* griefers and pvpers who routinley mess up empire corps are now complaining about the lack of players in eve online. Ironic no? They very thing you complain about, you caused to happen, let me outline it for you.
You grief new corps daily, these corps shut down New players quit because they cant join any corp without being blown up (forced pvp) Tax rate on npc corp raised because *elite* griefers and pvp complain about a lack of targets Market prices for basic t2 modules and ships rocket because there is now a lack of indy corps because they are routinly screwed over. Now the russians control the market. No new recruits for pvp corps in null because empire griefer alts are making new players quit 0.0 regions (apart from hubs) become deadzones, player numbers drop off Again all caused by the *pvp corps* themselves. Empire can be busy but alot of the time now its not Recruitment channel used to 1500-2000 on the weekends fri-monday now its more like 300-600 - again, people are now quitting because they are sick of being blown up. New pvp corps die out because *elite* corps dec them and take them camping non stop
A friend of mine started playing two weeks ago, he has been in 6 corps since and each one has had random decs levelled at it and 1bil in isk ransom demanded. Should this be allowed to continue?
And now you jihading incursions, why? Because you screwed up null sec with your empire alts actions? Your griefer corps actions? So u attack another section of eve that brings in new corps? New players? Well done, another way of destroying the game.
I know im gonnaa get flamed and trolled, probbaly war decced as a result of this post. but here is my message to the pvpers of eve
YOU complain about the lack of the new players, corps, 0.0 warefare, YOU routinley grief new corps and alliances that could grow into massivley new alliances and pvp corps.
YOU have only YOURSELF to BLAME for the fact EvE Online MMO is dieing, because YOU, the PVP COMMUNITY, are to blame, you hark on about carebears, go ahead, but everyone starts out, or 90% do as carebears, YOU are the ones DESTROYING this game, you want the game to change? YOU have to chaneg your HABITS AND GRIEFING WARS to sink this in.
You have only yourself to blame. CCP is not at fault, the game is not at fault, the pvpers of eve are at fault, you want null sec to become fun again? Get out of empire and get back into eve pvp as it was ment to be played. Because after 07, eve become a slow dieing train and YOU the ELITE PVP GRIEFERS are to blame.
Go ahead n flame, the more u doe it, the more u prove my point. Your just to stupid to see your actions in the short term massivley effect the game in the longterm, narrow minded individuals.
And before i am called a *bear* and a *newb* I was in the orginal CA/5/BOB and have lived in null since 04 to 2010 when id finally had enuff, i have pvped in fast gangs,.bombers the works, so dont throw childish insults
Hoff Out
Unfortunately everything you said is untrue. The numbers of people playing Eve is starting to rise again. |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
326
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Posted - 2012.01.24 15:19:00 -
[48] - Quote
WHY CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG? |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
787
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Posted - 2012.01.24 15:33:00 -
[49] - Quote
Lady Hofstedar wrote:Excellent reading
What you just described is called "player driven content", and what the hell that should be?
Well it should be something where people play together, have good laughs, respect each other and at some extent create new directions for the game and make it evolve in positive ways.
Now what do you have after 10 years?
Let me come back a little and explain my own experience. I've tried once Eve and I really hated, was so dam "weird" and tedious, people were rude whenever you asked some question and I was only getting started I was already scammed, got in to some crap corp where they managed to steal the poor crappy stuff I've managed to get in a few days.
Wow, yes let me say it again, wow. Even the crappiest "guild" in wow is better than that, I mean this is supposed to be a game right? -not a full time job for some people that for whatever reason have that time and make some sort of honor to act/be human crap.
Got back again a few years latter for no special reason and this time met some nice people, still think this training systems is the crappiest leveling system you can find since it promotes:
- boting (as someone told me from the begining: isk is money, real money if you know what you're doing)
- internet real money trading for some people (mostly those that have only that to fill their journey) titans, sc's and whatever item/isk sold for real money on plenty of internet sites that even a 7 year old kid can find.
- cheating (hi cheat engine I'm looking at you) because more isk is better, isk is everything, holy [strike]money[/strike] isk.
- stealing IG (some are so proud of them they even make vids...), but also IRL (accounts stolen and sold for RL money) 
- scamming - there are kids playing this game and the only rule CCP as responsible company has on this is none, witch makes me think after 10 years, 47k peeps connected the WE and 27 the rest of the week, there are far more reasonable people in this world than in this game, that's why they don't play it. Now this game could be a real jewel and become a best seller but will never happen because it's a niche game for disturbed people like you and me and those who made it  |

Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2012.01.24 15:41:00 -
[50] - Quote
I wouldn't worry about what anyone else says or does.
If you ARE enjoying this game right now, then keep on playing. Nothing last forever anyways, so have fun while you can.
If you are NOT enjoying this game, then just do yourself a favor and leave. EVE is like a woman, but she ain't your wife, and she ain't your baby mamma, and there's nothing keeping you together if she ain't treating you right. There's plenty more out there where she came from. :) |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
179
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Posted - 2012.01.24 15:59:00 -
[51] - Quote
@OP
Too long to quote, most of what you stated is not true or - at least - it's subjective.
Your long blurb talks about when a MMO is young, its playerbase still exploring its many features (expecially in EvE), when growth and "golden age effect" are still pushing it up in a giant rush to the Klondike.
No MMO and not EvE could last forever like that.
Years passed, limits, formulas and mechanics became known and were exploited to the maximum. The small playerbase grew tenfold so the game became mainstream.
Competition became harsher, margins thinner, years passed. Each passing year the MMO playerbase becomes more bored, hysteric, accustomed and demanding all the bells and whistles. Warring sub-factions form.
Moreover, as the only game allowing scamming thieving etc. it attracted all those guys who could not find an "home" to do these acts while cornering out those who are "normal MMO players", in a mechanism called adverse selection.
Basically all your gripes come from seeing both a great game aging and humanity being able to express all its most hideous characteristics.
Sadly I can't tell you to play another MMO, because WoW swallowed the whole genre and the new productions are a piece of sh!t after the next. Only hope - and I say hope, not hype - for a novel, valid PvP MMO-alike game is GW2. Sadly it won't be SCI-FI based. |

Killa Von Murderer
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 15:59:00 -
[52] - Quote
In my limited time playing Eve, I have met some really nice people, had some laughs, lost some ships, made some ISK and generally enjoyed the experience. Had I spent time on the forums or watched some of the griefing vids (Brick Squad's recent incursion efforts spring to mind) while I was on a trial account I probably would never have subscribed. It boggles the mind how crappily Eve players treat each other.
Fortunately I personally had a pretty positive introduction and hence I decided to stick around.
So yeah OP I totally get where you are coming from and I do believe new players who might have been a positive force in Eve are being driven away from the game. That's a really pity because I think Eve is one of the best games I know. All I can say to you is try not to let the **** stick to you and drag you down. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
529
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:07:00 -
[53] - Quote
Hmmm perhaps it would help the new players if a nice popup message came when they started their trial:
"This is a PvP game. Unless you are in a station your whole life, you can be shot at and killed by anyone. you have been warned, have fun."
Might help, might not.
I guess some could tone it down, especially their overusage of memes (u mad is especially overused). But I rather like the hostility as it is, it makes EVE less boring. There are days I like the boring though... |

Lady Hofstedar
Nexus Confederation
11
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:08:00 -
[54] - Quote
I am quite happy with EvE Online
I am simply summing up my experience of EvE Online in certain circumstances. I have plenty of ISk because i earn enuff isk (rl money) out of game xD So i can sub myself that way.
The horrible comments and downright rudeness simply project what is wrong with eve, slippermonkey is just another asskey monkey with a bad attitude. He'd be the Horde rogue that hangs around outside stormwind, he'd be the **** sniper in bf3, he'd be the noobtuber in mw3. Its just who he is.
I am VERY happy with my corp and its members, we have fun, we die, we kill, we have fun, I am simply making a statement.
Nothing i said is untrue no matter how much anyone wishes it otherwise, this has to be said.
PvP in empire is killing EVE
War decs should be 100mil per week to corps where 50% of the member base operate in empire. You should NOT be allowed to fire on targets you are not at war with i.e sucicide ganking.
There are several small fixes that could qujite easily make an amazing mmo with millions of players
I apologise for not responding sooner but as i was picking my sons up from school and dropping friends children home, i took awhile.
EvE Online is a game and there are to many people who wake up, have no jobs, and spend there life on here making everyone elses life misrable, sumone has to stand up for that. |

Tycko Celchu
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:10:00 -
[55] - Quote
EvE is fine, your money printin machine is broken so if ccp cant fix it fast enough we fix it for them, EvE doesnt need more people at all, move along. |

Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1126
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:19:00 -
[56] - Quote
Lady Hofstedar wrote:So im sat looking at the threads and im asking myself, surley these people cant be this damn stupid, the more i read the more im convinced, yes your are inface that damn stupid.
Lets go back to 04 when lvl mission rats used to give 1mil bounties per bs killed and 500k per bc killed, i also remeber my 0.0 main, there was alot of pvp because our alts made the ISK needed to keep up the fleets. Then came the mission nerf because a bunch of no job pvp elite monkeys screamed loud enough and ccp was stupid enough to listen to them. And so PvP dropped off because our alts made about 1/4 of what we used to make on a daily basis, so pvp drops off, more people are ratting, mining in null trying to make isk, getting ships down. It started to go downhill from there.
Then Goons came and royally ****** null and empire up rather quickly.
Then incursions came, awsum way to make isk, but griefer corps rose to get *faction* battleship kills for the kb's.
I am also noteing how the *elite* griefers and pvpers who routinley mess up empire corps are now complaining about the lack of players in eve online. Ironic no? They very thing you complain about, you caused to happen, let me outline it for you.
You grief new corps daily, these corps shut down New players quit because they cant join any corp without being blown up (forced pvp) Tax rate on npc corp raised because *elite* griefers and pvp complain about a lack of targets Market prices for basic t2 modules and ships rocket because there is now a lack of indy corps because they are routinly screwed over. Now the russians control the market. No new recruits for pvp corps in null because empire griefer alts are making new players quit 0.0 regions (apart from hubs) become deadzones, player numbers drop off Again all caused by the *pvp corps* themselves. Empire can be busy but alot of the time now its not Recruitment channel used to 1500-2000 on the weekends fri-monday now its more like 300-600 - again, people are now quitting because they are sick of being blown up. New pvp corps die out because *elite* corps dec them and take them camping non stop
A friend of mine started playing two weeks ago, he has been in 6 corps since and each one has had random decs levelled at it and 1bil in isk ransom demanded. Should this be allowed to continue?
And now you jihading incursions, why? Because you screwed up null sec with your empire alts actions? Your griefer corps actions? So u attack another section of eve that brings in new corps? New players? Well done, another way of destroying the game.
I know im gonnaa get flamed and trolled, probbaly war decced as a result of this post. but here is my message to the pvpers of eve
YOU complain about the lack of the new players, corps, 0.0 warefare, YOU routinley grief new corps and alliances that could grow into massivley new alliances and pvp corps.
YOU have only YOURSELF to BLAME for the fact EvE Online MMO is dieing, because YOU, the PVP COMMUNITY, are to blame, you hark on about carebears, go ahead, but everyone starts out, or 90% do as carebears, YOU are the ones DESTROYING this game, you want the game to change? YOU have to chaneg your HABITS AND GRIEFING WARS to sink this in.
You have only yourself to blame. CCP is not at fault, the game is not at fault, the pvpers of eve are at fault, you want null sec to become fun again? Get out of empire and get back into eve pvp as it was ment to be played. Because after 07, eve become a slow dieing train and YOU the ELITE PVP GRIEFERS are to blame.
Go ahead n flame, the more u doe it, the more u prove my point. Your just to stupid to see your actions in the short term massivley effect the game in the longterm, narrow minded individuals.
And before i am called a *bear* and a *newb* I was in the orginal CA/5/BOB and have lived in null since 04 to 2010 when id finally had enuff, i have pvped in fast gangs,.bombers the works, so dont throw childish insults
Hoff Out
Aside from lacking any references to how goons are screwing up caps with their CSM aholes advocating nerfs, demanding the death of local and an end to hisec with lower concord penalties, the nerfing of incursions and the whining about how their true sec needs boosting.... I would just like to say thank you.
This rant and many others like it are well deserved. |

Borun Tal
Cubicle Warriors from 'merica
32
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:24:00 -
[57] - Quote
tl;dr
I agree, grifters are bad--- Wait, wut? |

Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
34
|
Posted - 2012.01.24 16:27:00 -
[58] - Quote
Honestly, I thing the prevalence of "griefing" is pretty exaggerated. For the most part I see a majority of the high-sec dwellers going about their business fairly unimpeded.
I am also a bit disappointed by the relative lack of organization and creativity that many high-sec corps exhibit. For instance, after running missions with relatively few losses for an extended amount of time, why is hiring a mercenary corp considered a bad investment? Why isn't there a contingency fund set aside for these "rainy days"? What about rallying other like-minded corps into some kind of coalition or alliance? ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
327
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:34:00 -
[59] - Quote
Lady Hofstedar wrote: PvP in empire is killing EVE
2million isk a week to make you this grumpy is money well spent |

BearJews
YOU BETTER The Ascendancy
22
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:40:00 -
[60] - Quote
waaa hi-sec players are making money..waaa we want to control how they spend their isk cause eve isn't a sandbox game like someone stated before....it's PvP.
*rolls eyes at rampant hypocrisy*
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Borun Tal
Cubicle Warriors from 'merica
32
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:41:00 -
[61] - Quote
Skippermonkey wrote:Lady Hofstedar wrote: PvP in empire is killing EVE
2million isk a week to make you this grumpy is money well spent
Win...  |

Samillian
Jump.Jump.Jump.
71
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:44:00 -
[62] - Quote
Lady Hofstedar wrote:They can flame me all they want
They have anyway but it's nice you gave them permission.
P.S. If PvP in Empire was going to kill EvE it would have YEARS ago. |

Kemonia
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:48:00 -
[63] - Quote
Lady Hofstedar wrote:I am quite happy with EvE Online
I am simply summing up my experience of EvE Online in certain circumstances. I have plenty of ISk because i earn enuff isk (rl money) out of game xD So i can sub myself that way.
The horrible comments and downright rudeness simply project what is wrong with eve, slippermonkey is just another asskey monkey with a bad attitude. He'd be the Horde rogue that hangs around outside stormwind, he'd be the **** sniper in bf3, he'd be the noobtuber in mw3. Its just who he is.
I am VERY happy with my corp and its members, we have fun, we die, we kill, we have fun, I am simply making a statement.
Nothing i said is untrue no matter how much anyone wishes it otherwise, this has to be said.
PvP in empire is killing EVE
War decs should be 100mil per week to corps where 50% of the member base operate in empire. You should NOT be allowed to fire on targets you are not at war with i.e sucicide ganking.
There are several small fixes that could qujite easily make an amazing mmo with millions of players
I apologise for not responding sooner but as i was picking my sons up from school and dropping friends children home, i took awhile.
EvE Online is a game and there are to many people who wake up, have no jobs, and spend there life on here making everyone elses life misrable, sumone has to stand up for that.
Would like to see something along these line's as well  |

Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
30
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:50:00 -
[64] - Quote
I agree with the OP in ways. Trying to force hi-sec players to come to null-sec to pvp will never work. People stay in hi-sec for a reason, because they enjoy it for whatever reason. Take away that enjoyment, or reduce it, may get you a few players in null but the majority will quit or reduce their playing time.
I don't think the recent attacks on incursions is because of this though On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |

Tore Vest
157
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:55:00 -
[65] - Quote
Its a lot of green ppl here... Green of envy  Highsec carebear... and proud of it |

Prince Kobol
163
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:57:00 -
[66] - Quote
Fidelium Mortis wrote:Honestly, I thing the prevalence of "griefing" is pretty exaggerated. For the most part I see a majority of the high-sec dwellers going about their business fairly unimpeded.
I am also a bit disappointed by the relative lack of organization and creativity that many high-sec corps exhibit. For instance, after running missions with relatively few losses for an extended amount of time, why is hiring a mercenary corp considered a bad investment? Why isn't there a contingency fund set aside for these "rainy days"? What about rallying other like-minded corps into some kind of coalition or alliance?
How much do your average merc corp charge?
If were talking billions of isk then what is the point. A lot easier and cheaper to just get everybody to leave the corp for x amount of time until the corp war deccing you is bored then re-join.
Some of what the OP is true whilst some of it is false.
Eve's worst enemy are the players themselves.
You just have to look at the forums to see this, null sec players who think Eve should revolve around them because only null sec is import and all other parts of the game and players who play in it are pointless.
Perhaps they are right.
Maybe CCP should make all Empire and Low sec into null, remove concord since it would be no longer needed and then lets see how long Eve would last as a game since according to many null sec players its all that matters.
I mean after all if you don't play in null sec you have zero opinion and zero importance as were all just scrubs  |

Berendas
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
179
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:58:00 -
[67] - Quote
Dear OP,
wat? |

SpaceSquirrels
256
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:05:00 -
[68] - Quote
Can't take their frustration out in null so have to focus it else where... Such is life. Improve small scale pvp in null and things may change in empire. |

Mr John22ta
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:07:00 -
[69] - Quote
Valei Khurelem wrote: but the problem is, there is no effective way to combat them that doesn't revolve around having billions of ISK, fleets or a tech 2 or higher ship at your disposal, it's just utterly pointless claiming this game is a sandbox when one play style cannot counter the other as you'd expect in a GAME.
Confirming this, if you are a billionaire, or can fly a T2 ship, you are invincible. After all , we know that these players entered the game being able to fly and fit T2, it's not like they spent the time training for it. So unfair having to train for better ships/weapons, or learn common tactics for protecting yourself and you buddies.
Those evil billionaires and their invicible T2 ships. I eagerly await the day when someone manages to destroy one of these Over Powered and unfair T2 variants. Until then, I guess we are helpless against the unfair scourge that is T2. If only I could counter them by understanding/learning their strengths and weaknesses and uses, then develope tactics to counter them. To much effort, it is surely impossible.
Valei Khurelem wrote: Why should players who don't want anything to do with combat be forced to train skills for days, grind ISK for hours just to get onto a level playing field with griefers
No one is "forced" to train "combat" skills, but it helps. If you choose not to, that's your fault, and just like real life, you have to accept the consequences of poor planning/decision making. As for ISK making, OMG the horror.
Another thing you need to remember is that these "griefers" did not start out with the skills and knowledge needed to do what they do. You have access to the exact same resources (ingame) as they do. The fact you are unable to work this out and/or do something about it speaks volumes about you.
Valei Khurelem wrote: who's only objective in the game is to try and make others miserable when they can just go ahead and unsub, play minecraft and have far more fun that way in a lot less time?
Perhaps you should unsub and play minecraft? Or better yet, something single player because you obviously dislike the fact that people can interact with you and your buddies in ways that you dislike. EVERYTHING in Eve is PVP, EVERYTHING. If you're to dumb to understand that and label those that compete "griefers", perhaps you need to HTFU or move on.
Valei Khurelem wrote: The logic on this forum is baffling.
The only thing you've written that I can actually agree with.
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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
10
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:07:00 -
[70] - Quote
Lady Hofstedar wrote: The horrible comments and downright rudeness simply project what is wrong with eve
Funny how you complain about peoples attitudes and you type this in another thread:
Lady Hofstedar wrote: Bottom line is, the majority of EvE Players are players banned from other mmos for the same kinda behaviour. Mostly because they are nerdy, overweight socially rejected children who still live with there mummies and daddies because theya re scared of the real world and subsequently live on eve online which in effect becomes there life
You get everything you deserve if thats how you speak to people.
Lady Hofstedar wrote: Nothing i said is untrue no matter how much anyone wishes it otherwise, this has to be said.
Pretty much all of what you said is just paranoid delusions based on what a few idiots have said on the forums.
Lady Hofstedar wrote: PvP in empire is killing EVE
Then why has Eve steadily grown for the last 7 years? The only time the number of people playing took a dip was post Incarna and over the last few months the number of people on line has started to increase.
Lady Hofstedar wrote:EvE Online is a game and there are to many people who wake up, have no jobs, and spend there life on here making everyone elses life misrable, sumone has to stand up for that. You havn't stood up against anything. All you did was post a bunch of half truths and ignorant assumptions based on what you read on the forums. |
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Prince Kobol
163
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:08:00 -
[71] - Quote
SpaceSquirrels wrote:Can't take their frustration out in null so have to focus it else where... Such is life. Improve small scale pvp in null and things may change in empire.
Your just being silly now 
Like I said, we should get rid of High and low sec and make all of Eve null sec.
So what if say half of those who play in High Sec quit.. big deal.
After all were just scrubs who have play no importance to Eve in anyway shape or form so would it really matter if half of high sec players quit? |

SpaceSquirrels
256
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:24:00 -
[72] - Quote
The almighty "just make it all null" argument. Come on now tis a silly argument. It should be examined and see if pvp in null has in fact dropped off over the years. AS A RATIO TO PLAYER BASE. Not just numerically. (It would be higher because eve has grown over the years.) |

Ammatar Ata
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:37:00 -
[73] - Quote
Skippermonkey wrote:So basically, the OP is bad at this game but it is somebody elses fault.
its all so clear now
I honestly don't understand how some people like you just constantly post on the forums. I mean, do you even play EVE, or do you just say you do to validate your presence on the forums? |

baltec1
476
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:45:00 -
[74] - Quote
kenxi wrote:OP I very much agree the newer players get thrown into a very harsh environment. I don't know what could be done about it but something should be other wise our player base will eventually shrink. however posting on these forums alls you will find is GTFO people all and all the other @$#$% ^^^^^^
New players have been thrown to the lions in this game for close to a decade and eve has done nothing but grow. The evidence does not back you.
New players also have it a lot better than I did when I started. |

Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:48:00 -
[75] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:kenxi wrote:OP I very much agree the newer players get thrown into a very harsh environment. I don't know what could be done about it but something should be other wise our player base will eventually shrink. however posting on these forums alls you will find is GTFO people all and all the other @$#$% ^^^^^^ New players have been thrown to the lions in this game for close to a decade and eve has done nothing but grow. The evidence does not back you.
Imagine the size of the playerbase had newbies not been thrown to the lions, I'm betting that CCP wouldn't have had to chop 20% of their employees.
There is a minority segment of players in this game that have a disproportionate voice and they are the ones that will be responsible for the downfall of Eve. Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |

baltec1
476
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:56:00 -
[76] - Quote
Elessa Enaka wrote:baltec1 wrote:kenxi wrote:OP I very much agree the newer players get thrown into a very harsh environment. I don't know what could be done about it but something should be other wise our player base will eventually shrink. however posting on these forums alls you will find is GTFO people all and all the other @$#$% ^^^^^^ New players have been thrown to the lions in this game for close to a decade and eve has done nothing but grow. The evidence does not back you. Imagine the size of the playerbase had newbies not been thrown to the lions, I'm betting that CCP wouldn't have had to chop 20% of their employees. There is a minority segment of players in this game that have a disproportionate voice and they are the ones that will be responsible for the downfall of Eve.
EVE would not be the game it is and would most likely have gone the way just just about every other MMO to come out over eves life. EVE is unique and the moment it stops being so it will die.
Eve rewards risk takers and punishes the stupid, long may it do so. |

Nex apparatu5
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
152
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:07:00 -
[77] - Quote
TL;DR Eve is dying |

Xpaulusx
Hosti1e Traff1c Control
22
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:12:00 -
[78] - Quote
Ok which one of you bastards here stole the OP's sweet roll?  |

Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:14:00 -
[79] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Elessa Enaka wrote:baltec1 wrote:kenxi wrote:OP I very much agree the newer players get thrown into a very harsh environment. I don't know what could be done about it but something should be other wise our player base will eventually shrink. however posting on these forums alls you will find is GTFO people all and all the other @$#$% ^^^^^^ New players have been thrown to the lions in this game for close to a decade and eve has done nothing but grow. The evidence does not back you. Imagine the size of the playerbase had newbies not been thrown to the lions, I'm betting that CCP wouldn't have had to chop 20% of their employees. There is a minority segment of players in this game that have a disproportionate voice and they are the ones that will be responsible for the downfall of Eve. EVE would not be the game it is and would most likely have gone the way just just about every other MMO to come out over eves life. EVE is unique and the moment it stops being so it will die. Eve rewards risk takers and punishes the stupid, long may it do so.
I am not saying that it shouldn't reward risk takers and punish the stupid, though I do believe that there are ways to go about that without driving off people before they really even have a chance to truly experience the game.
Imagine how much more "Eve" Eve could be with the increased funding CCP would get through a larger playerbase. Does this stop the asshats from being asshats?
Sadly, no. Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |

Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
43
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:20:00 -
[80] - Quote
The OP had actually some good points.
Tycko Celchu wrote:EvE is fine, your money printin machine is broken so if ccp cant fix it fast enough we fix it for them, EvE doesnt need more people at all, move along.
I never though I would read one day something like this. |
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baltec1
476
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:23:00 -
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Elessa Enaka wrote:
I am not saying that it shouldn't reward risk takers and punish the stupid, though I do believe that there are ways to go about that without driving off people before they really even have a chance to truly experience the game.
Imagine how much more "Eve" Eve could be with the increased funding CCP would get through a larger playerbase. Does this stop the asshats from being asshats?
Sadly, no.
New players need to learn eve is unforgiving and the sooner this happens the better. The people who ***** would only quit when something worse happens to them later. |

Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
369
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:25:00 -
[82] - Quote
griefing wats dat? [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

baltec1
476
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:29:00 -
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Grimpak wrote:griefing wats dat?
Not what the OP thinks it is |

Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
228
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:31:00 -
[84] - Quote
if you are a casual hisec playe with a family and friends you will never beat a nullsec neckbeard. They have nothing else but this game Something Awful. A beacon for tearful, lonely neckbeards. |

Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:32:00 -
[85] - Quote
Just want to point out that a lot of 0.0 pilots sell Plex to fund their PvP, and the RL $$$ buy this entails keeps people out of sov 0.0. |

baltec1
476
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:37:00 -
[86] - Quote
Karn Dulake wrote:if you are a casual hisec playe with a family and friends you will never beat a nullsec neckbeard. They have nothing else but this game
I always love this myth. |

Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
156
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:38:00 -
[87] - Quote
I like this thread and what the OP says. OP for CSM chairman! Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing. |

Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
264
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:42:00 -
[88] - Quote
The OP has a point, but I will not complain about getting blown up or blow things up, that is part of the game. What has actually become a problem is disruptions of gameplay. A number of older player has really nothing better to do then keeping players from enjoying the game and that is a problem, because it keeps the game from growing and hurts CCPs bottomline.
Yes, they can adapt, but the concord enforced rules of engagement are often byzantine, giving an older player a lot of advantages. |

Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
7
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:43:00 -
[89] - Quote
Karn Dulake wrote:if you are a casual hisec playe with a family and friends you will never beat a nullsec neckbeard. They have nothing else but this game
I feel bad for them.
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
328
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:49:00 -
[90] - Quote
Ammatar Ata wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:So basically, the OP is bad at this game but it is somebody elses fault.
its all so clear now I honestly don't understand how some people like you just constantly post on the forums. I mean, do you even play EVE, or do you just say you do to validate your presence on the forums?
You want the truth?
I use the forums while i am at work (naughty)
I play the game while i am at home
Grimpak wrote:griefing wats dat? You spelt it wrong. OP was talking about GRIFING, which is clearly different, because it means playing the game contrary to how the OP thinks the game should be played. |
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Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
80
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:52:00 -
[91] - Quote
OK I was going to hand you a like and agree with you whole heartedly but then i remembered how I started this game. I was thrown into 0.0 2 weeks after I started because of constant wardecs. Our CEO made friends with an alliance diplo and got us to rent. Well after being down there for over a year (same station in 0.0 for over year? Yes.) Made lots of money and best of all, learned how to kill people with extreme prejudice.
Living in null in a small alliance is the best way to play this game because you avoid griefers and you get the abilities you need to destroy all attempts at griefing in 0.0.
So IMO: griefers: Weaklings who like preying on the weak Carebears: Weaklings that do not like to fight.
They're both weak, and you will find that highsec wardeccers that attack newb corps don't respond well to shittalk. (go play moar station games losers)
Yes I have an alt, and he is my pvp alt to my pvp main. I pay money for this game to kill people that get in my way. I do NOT use plex to fund my activities, I just am frugal to fitting my ships and practice killing people on the test server to make sure my fits are perfect. I have never had more than 1.5 billion in my wallet, and have an average of 300 million in my wallet. A lot of things said about 0.0 dwellers in this thread are wrong and it makes us seem like invincible gods (I wish).... We're not?
Carebears STFU and stop being scared of 0.0. Make the leap and you will find that it is WAY more entertaining the empire could EVER be. You will just have use something that seems to be rare these days... I think its called... what was it....
Oh yeah! Diplomacy. Politics is real in Eve and if you are good at it, you can reallly have fun in 0.0. That is what will make you seem godlike in this game.
TL;DR: CAREBEARS LEARN SOME DIPLOMACY AND GO TO NULLSEC and you will avoid ALL but the most hardcore griefers. |

Realityfirst
Hemorrhagic Visions The Falling Darkness
3
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:53:00 -
[92] - Quote
Gazmin VanBurin wrote:hum hum interesting, but you speak like the majority of those incursion bears have hard core pvp alts, or even want to pvp at all, but sadly they dont, they want to sit on their space cash and 5 faction fit BSs.
Actually many of the incursion runners are PVPer as well, like my self, that are looking for a steady income of isk to support their pvp. However with all the added wars going out lately, I personally, and many others are finding it hard to make isk, to pvp, on a regular basis. Anyway +1 to OP
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Ehn Roh
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:03:00 -
[93] - Quote
Skippermonkey wrote:damn grifers
Yes, we are indeed inface this stupid 
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Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
10
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:13:00 -
[94] - Quote
There is always going to be two sides. Those that PVP, in low and null, interested in things that go boom, and those in empire that have no interest in PVP whatsoever. They just want to be left alone to do their thing. I've never understood why people in low and null space are obsessed with trying to force PVP upon them. If they play eve, and enjoy it, because they work spreadsheets, mine, haul or play the market, then whats the problem? As long as their money is flowing into CCP, then all the better.
Ultimately its the minority, that sucicide gank to collect these peoples tears for their own amusement, that are harming the growth and development of eve. It's already got a massive learning curve, so its always going to be a challenge to get people to stay playing. If the aim is to let people get the hang of the game in the safety of empire, before moving naturally to low/null space, then griefers are achieving the exact opposite of this. Whats the problem with people wanted to do the things that you lable as "boring". Its like, OMG, why don't they like ships exploding?!?!?
Eve is a great game, for the exact reason that each individual player can get out of it what they want. No matter how much you scream "PVP Bitches!!" in carebears faces while you blow up their ships, it isn't going to suddenly convert them into PVPers. Quite the opposite in fact.
Can't people just accept that some people actually play eve for something other than explosions?  |

Prince Kobol
165
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:26:00 -
[95] - Quote
SpaceSquirrels wrote:The almighty "just make it all null" argument. Come on now tis a silly argument. It should be examined and see if pvp in null has in fact dropped off over the years. AS A RATIO TO PLAYER BASE. Not just numerically. (It would be higher because eve has grown over the years.)
Unfortunately you may think its silly, I may think its silly but there a number of people who believe that this would be a good idea.
Some people actually believe that it would be worth losing a good number of subs to get rid of Empire space completely, other people believe it would be a good move to nerf Empire space to such an extent that it would be worthless to stay there with the misconception that this would move people to null.
For a game where people keep screaming "its a sandbox" its only a sandbox so long as you conform to their views and play how they want you to play.
Yes of course Incursions need to be fixed, they should of been fixed shortly after CCP introduced them but CCP being CCP take months if not years to fix anything and even then they tend to make a mess of things.
I also believe that no only should there be more ways of making isk in null, but more importantly, more enjoyable ways of making isk, not just solo, but group play as well.
However this null v high, risk v rewards argument is getting pretty long in the tooth now and is mostly bollocks anyway.
If people want to go to null, then will go, if they don't then they wont.
You can increase the rewards in null anons by a factor of 10 and you know what, it would encourage very few to go to null. The major issues with null is not the ability to make isk, but how you are treated by alliances when you are there.
Personally, I don't play Eve to see how much isk I can make, but to enjoy myself and from what I have experienced of null, no amount of isk will get me to move down there. |

Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:33:00 -
[96] - Quote
Xen Solarus wrote:There is always going to be two sides. Those that PVP, in low and null, interested in things that go boom, and those in empire that have no interest in PVP whatsoever. They just want to be left alone to do their thing. I've never understood why people in low and null space are obsessed with trying to force PVP upon them. If they play eve, and enjoy it, because they work spreadsheets, mine, haul or play the market, then whats the problem? As long as their money is flowing into CCP, then all the better. Ultimately its the minority, that sucicide gank to collect these peoples tears for their own amusement, that are harming the growth and development of eve. It's already got a massive learning curve, so its always going to be a challenge to get people to stay playing. If the aim is to let people get the hang of the game in the safety of empire, before moving naturally to low/null space, then griefers are achieving the exact opposite of this. Whats the problem with people wanted to do the things that you lable as "boring". Its like, OMG, why don't they like ships exploding?!?!? Eve is a great game, for the exact reason that each individual player can get out of it what they want. No matter how much you scream "PVP Bitches!!" in carebears faces while you blow up their ships, it isn't going to suddenly convert them into PVPers. Quite the opposite in fact. Can't people just accept that some people actually play eve for something other than explosions? 
You're an idiot. Really, a complete numpty. To claim that if you mine, haul or trade you don't engage in PVP shows you have little to no understanding what Eve is and how it works.
Let me break it down to you in simple terms. If you are a trader trying to get into a market, you are trying to make whatever you are selling more attractive than the other guys, and the only way to do this in Eve is to make it cheaper than his. Therefore you're competing against another player so you make the ISK, not him. It's Player Vs. Player. Simples!
As for explosions, who the hell doesn't like explosions, and if not, what are you doing in Eve? The whole idea of the game is conflict, not to mention that almost everything in-game is directly connected to something, somewhere blowing up. If stuff isn't being blown up, no one needs minerals, no trade on the market because nothing ever needs to be replaced, no manufacturing because no one buys anything.
Let me put it this way. Eve is not, and never will be a single player game. If you don't like it, unsub and go play Hello Kitty online, where everything is fair, nobody can mess with you, and you become one of thousands of faceless players unable to forge your own path because it''s a souless ******* theme-park.
Hands of my Eve nublet, just cause you don't get it doesn't mean CCP needs to change. |

Gazmin VanBurin
The Tower Of Nevaurus The 99 Percent
59
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:40:00 -
[97] - Quote
Karn Dulake wrote:if you are a casual hisec playe with a family and friends you will never beat a nullsec neckbeard. They have nothing else but this game
oddly most the good griefers and 0.0 pilots i have flown with have familys and gfs, its the high sec carebears with no lives grinding away at incusrions and minning 23/7 that dont |

arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
60
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:44:00 -
[98] - Quote
poasting in another eve is dying thread (when it's not) while eating doritos
i ninja checked status of players online while at work yesterday around noon central US timezone. over 40k players online.
there is a barrier to entry to EvE that, for the most part, is why most of my friends who tried playing, never stuck around. they thought it was too complex and they didn't understand the mechanics. which i had to explain to them quickly as they were locking me and beginning to fire for laughs. then i'd be sending them replacement isk and telling them, dont try that again until you learn the mechanics of the game lol
if you put yourself back into the newbie stage of this game, you remember that this game is hugely complex and in-depth. which takes a certain kind of brain to appreciate. then its the natural learning curve that becomes an issue. too much to take in all at once. it's not for all people and it's not for brittle people either. most of the stuff i have learned in this game i had to find using google lol
if someone is constantly being war-decced in eve and are a newb corp, it's most likely: 1.) the CEO is an asshat 2.) the members and the CEO are asshats 3.) everyone in eve except the decced are asshats 4.) or all of the above lol
the only time i have ever been wardecced was because i was offline for a few months and left a high sec POS offline with mobile labs sitting in there. they decced, blew up the labs and left the tower there. then they retracted said dec.
best idea for someone who is looking to avoid war decs is to keep a low profile and not **** people off. there are many ways to avoid them.
i think I have been trolled
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
240
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:49:00 -
[99] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:SpaceSquirrels wrote:The almighty "just make it all null" argument. Come on now tis a silly argument. It should be examined and see if pvp in null has in fact dropped off over the years. AS A RATIO TO PLAYER BASE. Not just numerically. (It would be higher because eve has grown over the years.) Unfortunately you may think its silly, I may think its silly but there a number of people who believe that this would be a good idea. Some people actually believe that it would be worth losing a good number of subs to get rid of Empire space completely, other people believe it would be a good move to nerf Empire space to such an extent that it would be worthless to stay there with the misconception that this would move people to null. Last 2 major expansions insert new, riskfree isk-makers for highsec. Result: Eve nearly dies, subs plummet. Crucible adds risk to PI and makes highsec more dangerous with suicide tornadoes. Result: Eve subs finally start to climb back up. Face it, most people play EVE for a challenge.
Quote:You can increase the rewards in null anons by a factor of 10 and you know what, it would encourage very few to go to null. The major issues with null is not the ability to make isk, but how you are treated by alliances when you are there.. Pre-anom nerf Dominion expansion debunks this claim. |

Prince Kobol
166
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:53:00 -
[100] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Pre-anom nerf Dominion expansion debunks this claim.
As Tippa would say.. show me the numbers 
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
BRAPELILLE MACRO BOT MINERS
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:59:00 -
[101] - Quote
Lady Hofstedar wrote:So im sat looking at the threads and im asking myself, surley these people cant be this damn stupid, the more i read the more im convinced, yes your are inface that damn stupid.
Lets go back to 04 when lvl mission rats used to give 1mil bounties per bs killed and 500k per bc killed, i also remeber my 0.0 main, there was alot of pvp because our alts made the ISK needed to keep up the fleets. Then came the mission nerf because a bunch of no job pvp elite monkeys screamed loud enough and ccp was stupid enough to listen to them. And so PvP dropped off because our alts made about 1/4 of what we used to make on a daily basis, so pvp drops off, more people are ratting, mining in null trying to make isk, getting ships down. It started to go downhill from there.
Then Goons came and royally ****** null and empire up rather quickly.
Then incursions came, awsum way to make isk, but griefer corps rose to get *faction* battleship kills for the kb's.
I am also noteing how the *elite* griefers and pvpers who routinley mess up empire corps are now complaining about the lack of players in eve online. Ironic no? They very thing you complain about, you caused to happen, let me outline it for you.
You grief new corps daily, these corps shut down New players quit because they cant join any corp without being blown up (forced pvp) Tax rate on npc corp raised because *elite* griefers and pvp complain about a lack of targets Market prices for basic t2 modules and ships rocket because there is now a lack of indy corps because they are routinly screwed over. Now the russians control the market. No new recruits for pvp corps in null because empire griefer alts are making new players quit 0.0 regions (apart from hubs) become deadzones, player numbers drop off Again all caused by the *pvp corps* themselves. Empire can be busy but alot of the time now its not Recruitment channel used to 1500-2000 on the weekends fri-monday now its more like 300-600 - again, people are now quitting because they are sick of being blown up. New pvp corps die out because *elite* corps dec them and take them camping non stop
A friend of mine started playing two weeks ago, he has been in 6 corps since and each one has had random decs levelled at it and 1bil in isk ransom demanded. Should this be allowed to continue?
And now you jihading incursions, why? Because you screwed up null sec with your empire alts actions? Your griefer corps actions? So u attack another section of eve that brings in new corps? New players? Well done, another way of destroying the game.
I know im gonnaa get flamed and trolled, probbaly war decced as a result of this post. but here is my message to the pvpers of eve
YOU complain about the lack of the new players, corps, 0.0 warefare, YOU routinley grief new corps and alliances that could grow into massivley new alliances and pvp corps.
YOU have only YOURSELF to BLAME for the fact EvE Online MMO is dieing, because YOU, the PVP COMMUNITY, are to blame, you hark on about carebears, go ahead, but everyone starts out, or 90% do as carebears, YOU are the ones DESTROYING this game, you want the game to change? YOU have to chaneg your HABITS AND GRIEFING WARS to sink this in.
You have only yourself to blame. CCP is not at fault, the game is not at fault, the pvpers of eve are at fault, you want null sec to become fun again? Get out of empire and get back into eve pvp as it was ment to be played. Because after 07, eve become a slow dieing train and YOU the ELITE PVP GRIEFERS are to blame.
Go ahead n flame, the more u doe it, the more u prove my point. Your just to stupid to see your actions in the short term massivley effect the game in the longterm, narrow minded individuals.
And before i am called a *bear* and a *newb* I was in the orginal CA/5/BOB and have lived in null since 04 to 2010 when id finally had enuff, i have pvped in fast gangs,.bombers the works, so dont throw childish insults
Hoff Out
The objective of playing EVE online is to force other players to uninstall or unsubscribe.
Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
241
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:03:00 -
[102] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Pre-anom nerf Dominion expansion debunks this claim.
As Tippa would say.. show me the numbers  I really need to bust out a spreadsheet to prove to you that the 3000 man current Raiden/WN/NCdot coalition is less populated then the 31000-population Northern Coalition of last year? Or that the 18000+ ATLAS+renter/vassal empire of early 2010 is more populated then the 3000 RA+pets stretched across 6 regions of the southeast right now?
The difference between Tippa and you is that Tippa has basic, common knowledge of 0.0. |

Brunmunde Hildegaard
The Green Machine
1
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:09:00 -
[103] - Quote
ITT; Delicious tears about griefing & pvp in a pvp game
>mfw cool story OP |

Prince Kobol
166
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:11:00 -
[104] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: Pre-anom nerf Dominion expansion debunks this claim.
As Tippa would say.. show me the numbers  I really need to bust out a spreadsheet to prove to you that the 3000 man current Raiden/WN/NCdot coalition is less populated then the 31000-population Northern Coalition of last year? Or that the 18000+ ATLAS+renter/vassal empire of early 2010 is more populated then the 3000 RA+pets stretched across 6 regions of the southeast right now? The difference between Tippa and you is that Tippa has basic, common knowledge of 0.0.
So by your argument every single null sec alliance is down on player numbers and the only reason they are down on number is because of the anon nerfs..
Cool 
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Ammatar Ata
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:15:00 -
[105] - Quote
Metal Icarus wrote: TL;DR: CAREBEARS LEARN SOME DIPLOMACY AND GO TO NULLSEC and you will avoid ALL but the most hardcore griefers.
Dude I would love to do that, but most 0.0 corps that go and recruit noobs do it for podding purposes once they take em out to their space. If you can find a group that genuinely wants to take a newbie in and show him how awesome 0.0 can be, I am ALL in. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
241
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:19:00 -
[106] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:So by your argument every single null sec alliance is down on player numbers and the only reason they are down on number is because of the anon nerfs.. Cool  So your argument is based on a bunch of emotional sentiment on your part backed by nothing, that is contradicted by all precedent. |

Prince Kobol
166
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:22:00 -
[107] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:So by your argument every single null sec alliance is down on player numbers and the only reason they are down on number is because of the anon nerfs.. Cool  So your argument is based on a bunch of emotional sentiment on your part backed by nothing that is contradicted by all precedent until now.
Calm down there Tiger 
Just saying that if what you say is true, and all null sec alliances numbers are down and it was caused solely by the anon nerfs then that's cool.
No need to get all tetchy
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
241
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:31:00 -
[108] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote: Just saying that if what you say is true, and all null sec alliances numbers are down and it was caused solely by the anon nerfs then that's cool.
Please quote where I said that.
But by all means, go on with your own pet theory that all null alliances got really mean to members all of the sudden around August 2010. |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
791
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:47:00 -
[109] - Quote
Gazmin VanBurin wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:if you are a casual hisec playe with a family and friends you will never beat a nullsec neckbeard. They have nothing else but this game oddly most the good griefers and 0.0 pilots i have flown with have familys and gfs, its the high sec carebears with no lives grinding away at incusrions and minning 23/7 that dont
You gave me a very good laugh with this comment, I've started has everyone on high sec and met very nice people, we've done stuff together until we get tired and tried low sec then null sec.
I'm now in some decent corp/alliance and Ive never seen that much people with nothing else to do of their journey than in null. It's a self employed guy passed 40 that tells you that, a guy that by some chance knows some interesting people around here that are also active people. But I also know some unemployed or retired ones and all I can say is that we can never speak the same language.
C'mon what can you ever say to make someone understand 70M in a stupid Tiers 3 battlecruiser is far over expensive when the guy you're talking to spends 8 to 12 or + hours playing this game and making 3 to 5 billions per month just with PI ??
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
369
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:51:00 -
[110] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Grimpak wrote:griefing wats dat? Not what the OP thinks it is 
Skippermonkey wrote:Grimpak wrote:griefing wats dat? You spelt it wrong. OP was talking about GRIFING, which is clearly different, because it means playing the game contrary to how the OP thinks the game should be played.
no really, I don't know what griefing is in this game, for the single fact that since 99% of everything in this game is made by the players for the players, the very fact of "griefing" as the OP thinks is, actually helps the economy.
why?
no shooty-shooty -> no boom-boom no boom-boom -> no new bling-bling no new bling-bling -> sad producer sad producer -> depressed miner depressed miner -> no shooty-shooty! [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
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Prince Kobol
168
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:52:00 -
[111] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: Just saying that if what you say is true, and all null sec alliances numbers are down and it was caused solely by the anon nerfs then that's cool.
Please quote where I said that. But by all means, go on with your own pet theory that all null alliances got really mean to members all of the sudden around August 2010.
Wow.. okay you have me at a loss now lol
Lets recap and if I have missed something then please point it out to me, it does happen often I will admit 
So, I rasied the point that regardless how much you would increase the isk values of anons, it would make very little difference to people moving to null, my point being that its not the isk that make people to go to null but other factors.
You then stated the Pre-anom nerf Dominion expansion debunks this claim.
Okay so asked for numbers, it seems the in-thing to do these days.
You then talked about various alliances and how there numbers have dropped, insulating that this was a result of anon's being nerf'ed an no other factors being involved.
Then there was a bit of banter, something which you seem not to be able to do, maybe you should work on that, it is a game after all, no need to take things so serious 
Then you deny that you said anything of the sort, whilst at the same time referring to the time period when anons were nerfed...
I'm so confused.
As for my pet theory.. wasn't aware I had one, I do believe you are the first person in this thread to comment about the reducing numbers of null sec alliance members.
In fact its the first comment I have seen in any thread regarding null sec alliances losing members which I do find quite interesting if this is indeed across the board. |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
791
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:53:00 -
[112] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:So by your argument every single null sec alliance is down on player numbers and the only reason they are down on number is because of the anon nerfs.. Cool  So your argument is based on a bunch of emotional sentiment on your part backed by nothing that is contradicted by all precedent until now. Calm down there Tiger  Just saying that if what you say is true, and all null sec alliances numbers are down and it was caused solely by the anon nerfs then that's cool. No need to get all tetchy 
Well I gess there's still something wrong about the anoms, because anoms still give isk, enough isk when you manage to do some but gess what you do'nt even need to scan anoms, all you have to do is use your directional and warp to so what does this means? -chances you get blown are very high and chances you recover your loss easily if you don't have all day in front of your computer are close to 0.
Plus, you'll probably buy another ship on local marker 30 to 40% more expensive, those being sold by the alliance tenants and if you see some cheaper they're all sold with neutral alts because no one wants to get caught or it's the door. Null looses people? sure, the richer, the older players never have enough.
And as long as RMT will still win, well, make your own opinion.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2012.01.24 21:12:00 -
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Lady Hofstedar wrote:Incoherant ramblings.
Griefing is a violation of the EULA and you should petition it if you're a victim. For everything else I recommend 50mg of HTFU, 3 times a day. |

Lady Hofstedar
Nexus Confederation
53
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Posted - 2012.01.24 21:23:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Lady Hofstedar wrote:Incoherant ramblings. Griefing is a violation of the EULA and you should petition it if you're a victim. For everything else I recommend 50mg of HTFU, 3 times a day.
try to grow up
That aside ive just sat n read the replys, have been offline playing aoe with two friends sat in my likving room for three hours.
That being said, damn me if i dont see immaturity on a scale, just stupid, really, i pity your families if your all like this in real life, its so pathetic, little keyboard warriors
U say i should unsub? I dont think so.
This was the point of the thread, i post truth, u call me a liar n flame the crap out of it n derail it, u just PROVED my point better than i ever could.
One of the questions ccp asks at fanfest, would u recomend eve to a friend?
Hell no |

Lady Hofstedar
Nexus Confederation
53
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Posted - 2012.01.24 21:24:00 -
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Oh i wont be replying, the forum warriors are now on and ive lost interest
and slippery, really mature taking the **** out of a dislexic person, real mature |

Xolve
Intaki Armaments Important Internet Spaceship League
733
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Posted - 2012.01.24 21:28:00 -
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Lady Hofstedar wrote:Oh i wont be replying, the forum warriors are now on and ive lost interest
and slippery, really mature taking the **** out of a dislexic person, real mature
Grifers gonna Grif! Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |

Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2012.01.24 21:33:00 -
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Lady Hofstedar wrote:admiral root wrote:Lady Hofstedar wrote:Incoherant ramblings. Griefing is a violation of the EULA and you should petition it if you're a victim. For everything else I recommend 50mg of HTFU, 3 times a day. try to grow up That aside ive just sat n read the replys, have been offline playing aoe with two friends sat in my likving room for three hours. That being said, damn me if i dont see immaturity on a scale, just stupid, really, i pity your families if your all like this in real life, its so pathetic, little keyboard warriors U say i should unsub? I dont think so. This was the point of the thread, i post truth, u call me a liar n flame the crap out of it n derail it, u just PROVED my point better than i ever could. One of the questions ccp asks at fanfest, would u recomend eve to a friend? Hell no, not because it isn't a ******* awesome game, it's just the playerbase has a large deal of asshats that seem to what to do nothing more than ruin the fun of anyone who isn't them. If this were done in pursuit of legitimate in-game competition, it would be one thing, but it is (a majority of the time) done for little more than lolz and tears
fixed with the addition of underlined text (I assumed that is the unspoken part of why you wouldn't recommend Eve to a friend, I apologize if I am incorrect) Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats.... |

baltec1
478
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Posted - 2012.01.24 21:33:00 -
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Lady Hofstedar wrote:admiral root wrote:Lady Hofstedar wrote:Incoherant ramblings. Griefing is a violation of the EULA and you should petition it if you're a victim. For everything else I recommend 50mg of HTFU, 3 times a day. try to grow up That aside ive just sat n read the replys, have been offline playing aoe with two friends sat in my likving room for three hours. That being said, damn me if i dont see immaturity on a scale, just stupid, really, i pity your families if your all like this in real life, its so pathetic, little keyboard warriors U say i should unsub? I dont think so. This was the point of the thread, i post truth, u call me a liar n flame the crap out of it n derail it, u just PROVED my point better than i ever could. One of the questions ccp asks at fanfest, would u recomend eve to a friend? Hell no
The irony is strong in this one. |

Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
10
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Posted - 2012.01.24 21:48:00 -
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Chiggy W wrote:Xen Solarus wrote:There is always going to be two sides. Those that PVP, in low and null, interested in things that go boom, and those in empire that have no interest in PVP whatsoever. They just want to be left alone to do their thing. I've never understood why people in low and null space are obsessed with trying to force PVP upon them. If they play eve, and enjoy it, because they work spreadsheets, mine, haul or play the market, then whats the problem? As long as their money is flowing into CCP, then all the better. Ultimately its the minority, that sucicide gank to collect these peoples tears for their own amusement, that are harming the growth and development of eve. It's already got a massive learning curve, so its always going to be a challenge to get people to stay playing. If the aim is to let people get the hang of the game in the safety of empire, before moving naturally to low/null space, then griefers are achieving the exact opposite of this. Whats the problem with people wanted to do the things that you lable as "boring". Its like, OMG, why don't they like ships exploding?!?!? Eve is a great game, for the exact reason that each individual player can get out of it what they want. No matter how much you scream "PVP Bitches!!" in carebears faces while you blow up their ships, it isn't going to suddenly convert them into PVPers. Quite the opposite in fact. Can't people just accept that some people actually play eve for something other than explosions?  You're an idiot. Really, a complete numpty. To claim that if you mine, haul or trade you don't engage in PVP shows you have little to no understanding what Eve is and how it works. Let me break it down to you in simple terms. If you are a trader trying to get into a market, you are trying to make whatever you are selling more attractive than the other guys, and the only way to do this in Eve is to make it cheaper than his. Therefore you're competing against another player so you make the ISK, not him. It's Player Vs. Player. Simples! As for explosions, who the hell doesn't like explosions, and if not, what are you doing in Eve? The whole idea of the game is conflict, not to mention that almost everything in-game is directly connected to something, somewhere blowing up. If stuff isn't being blown up, no one needs minerals, no trade on the market because nothing ever needs to be replaced, no manufacturing because no one buys anything. Let me put it this way. Eve is not, and never will be a single player game. If you don't like it, unsub and go play Hello Kitty online, where everything is fair, nobody can mess with you, and you become one of thousands of faceless players unable to forge your own path because it''s a souless ******* theme-park. Hands of my Eve nublet, just cause you don't get it doesn't mean CCP needs to change.
Yeah, heard that one before. I guess its a matter of the definition of PVP. PVP for me means when you're in combat, fighting against other players, as a distinction to PVE, fighting against computers. In eve, you can't have PVP without ships shooting at ships. As i said, PVP is the driving force of the eve economy, but by no means does that mean if you do a profession like mining, hauling, industry etc that you are directly participating in combat with other players.
Take a player that just does missions. Doesn't bother with all that looting or salvaging marlarky, just in it for the bounties. How is that PVP? Or say a miner that just mines and produces mining equipment and mining ships. That's not PVP either under your definition. How about someone in a freighter that just buys commodities at a low price and moves and sells them somewhere for a higher price, (As in, not stuff that you can use for pew pew). That also doesn't fall into your definition of PVP.
But if i were to make and sell a bunch of guns, under your definition, im successfully helping to blow someone up somewhere? Or is it more like, Yeah, sure did beat the hell outta someone on the market today! That in my book, isn't PVP.
Seems to me that screaming, omg its a PVP only game, is just justification for shooting people that aren't interested in PVP. And there are plenty of those people. Constantly trying to is just going to make them unsub, which ultimately, is bad for eve. So whats the prob in just letting them do there thing? 
For the record tho, i don't fit into that category. I do shoot at people occationally, and i definately don't live in empire. 
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
241
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Posted - 2012.01.24 21:50:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:As for my pet theory.. wasn't aware I had one
Prince Kobol wrote: The major issues with null is not the ability to make isk, but how you are treated by alliances when you are there. Care to back this claim up?
Also, the confusion you're experiencing is that when I pointed out that nullsec had a far higher population before the Dominion anom nerf hit, you made the leap in logic that I was claiming that the current low numbers in nullsec were entirely because of the anom nerf, precluding the possibility of other expansions since Dominion that additionally skewed the risk/reward ratio of 0.0 compared to other sec-space.
Since you claim that risk/reward/cost has nothing to do with null population, and that has more to do with 'alliance treatment' it begs the question: did all sov 0.0 alliances get meaner and more autocratic suddently 2 years ago to account for the drop in population? |
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Sicex
25
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:24:00 -
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I just wish the bears would realize that this entire game is PVP, whether in the markets or in space... It is a unique gem of an MMO in a field of dull rocks and we like it that way.
There aren't millions upon millions of idiots playing this game asking for their next hand out from the devs and we like it that way.
Hell I enjoyed the game's population when it hit the 30k concurrent members mark. To make EVE more and more crowded and popular doesn't sound like a good thing to most people. To make EVE more popular means watering down the difficulty level which makes it so special.
@OP, IMO, there are plenty of other games out there where you can go and generate tons of ISK/Gold with friends and hold hands while never being in danger. EVE is not that game and, JESUS, I hope it never gets to that point. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.24 23:14:00 -
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Not constructive. Furthermore I would like to remind at Forum rule 5: Ranting is prohibited.
Thread locked. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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