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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
29
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Posted - 2012.01.24 20:19:00 -
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Rixiu wrote:Preferred the old way simply because minimizing chat windows used to be useful, now if I'm "lucky" I get this useless mess: http://piclair.com/data/yexkt.jpgbut usually I get this: http://piclair.com/data/yhzxm.jpgDidn't want to access those chat windows anyways I guess... The entire neocom stinks of :awesome:, they added stuff just for the sake of adding them like the hierarchical menus in the "eve-menu", if a UI designer tries to convince anyone that they are a good idea in 2012 he'll get fired (outside the world of software development for professionals). And why are the ships and items icons stuck next to the ******* undock button? Who thought that was a good idea?
This new feature is going to slow my fleet interactions significanly when trying to recruit & multiple windows are popping up from 5-10 people. ROLLBACK NOW CCP TO MINIMALIZE TO BOTTOM FOR CHATS!!!! WHY CAN'T INDIVIDUAL CHATS GET THIER OWN DAMN ICONS & BE MADE PERMENAT LIKE LOCAL & CORP |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2727
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Posted - 2012.01.25 17:56:00 -
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What Darth lacks in articulation, he makes up in pure verve!
Bring our minimising back, CCP!
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
9
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:09:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:Hmm, seems that it's just me that finds this new system annoying. I used to love having everything along the bottom of the screen, ready to pop out when needed (Contracts, wallet, market, etc), but now it's all along the left hand bar (and therefore I must trundle my cursor over a further distance)
Sad gorki :(
they are working on it so you can move the whole bar to the bottom. should be in the next patch or so. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2727
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:44:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:Hmm, seems that it's just me that finds this new system annoying. I used to love having everything along the bottom of the screen, ready to pop out when needed (Contracts, wallet, market, etc), but now it's all along the left hand bar (and therefore I must trundle my cursor over a further distance)
Sad gorki :( they are working on it so you can move the whole bar to the bottom. should be in the next patch or so.
Thanks, is there a link for this?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki |
Einar Skaldakimbi
A.S.K
0
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Posted - 2012.01.25 21:41:00 -
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Changing a user interface without a requirement is never a good idea. This feels like developers going wild. It is not a good sign for project management.
Anyway, introducing an uncommon UI feels strange. I would prefer the "normal" more intuitive old UI. Like in the past, a configuration option to chose which UI version users prefer would probably settle the issue...
BTW, asking users (and not just the CSM; I start to wonder about these guys...) would help avoiding such things.
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Borg Stoneson
SWARTA
Mostly Clueless
18
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Posted - 2012.01.25 22:28:00 -
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The new neocom's not a bad thing in itself, but considering it was touted as being customizable it's a huge let down. It's only customizable in so much as when you log in for the first time since they've changed it you need to put all the old icons straight back on and trick it into letting you get rid of that useless chat button.
Adding icons to the side for every window? Who the hell thought that was a good idea? Ok I'm going to take a step back, maybe someone somewhere is getting good use out of that feature, great, good for them. Annoying for me. Oh and has anyone else noticed that the icons for most of the windows are almost entirely devoid of visual clue as to what they are? When it was tabs at the bottom it had the window name written on it, easy to find at a glance even if you had a few. Now you need to mouse over all of them trying to find it. I can read CCP, I'm even pretty good at it, what I am not is psychic, 2 traits which I suspect that the vast majority of your customerbase shares with me.
Since customizability = trying to make it work the same way it worked before and failing, why not just give those of us who prefer function over looks to use the old neocom? (The little avatar pic looked better in the old one too, yes I am vain)
(New Neocom has given me much rage it seems)
Edit: And don't even get me started on the flashing, I'm lucky I don't do a lot of trading or missionrunning. |
Disdaine
209
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Posted - 2012.01.26 01:11:00 -
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Roll it back.
Didn't the ship hangar teach you lot anything about form over function? |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
531
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:05:00 -
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I'm trying my best to be objective here, but I really do dislike the new setup.
Especially because every thing adds something to the bar, including cargohold, dronebay, and the FPS graph.
And at this time it feels less customizable than the old one. Maybe thats just me not knowing the tricks though. |
Grey Stormshadow
draketrain
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
797
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Posted - 2012.01.26 02:49:00 -
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Let's think about the neocom...
What it is?
-> Utility to access various in-game tools. containers and settings.
Easiest way to access such individual item?
-> Single mouse click or keyboard shortcut.
Best way to make such access possible?
-> Single icons if screen estate allows.
Would hide feature be useful?
-> Yes if it releases screen estate while neocom is hidden.
Would some menu structure be useful?
-> No as long screen estate allows all needed buttons be visible at once.
-> If all buttons do not fit, next obvious step would store more rarely used buttons under group, which would add only 1 mouse click to access them.
Would configuring visible buttons and grouping be useful?
-> Most likely, because many people like to customize their user interface.
Should default button setup remain as it was in old neocom?
-> Absolutely.
Would there be any reason what so ever to add more stuff to neocom like cargo containers, scanners or query windows?
-> None what so ever.
Would there be any valid reason to minimize windows to neocom and hide their labels?
-> None what so ever.
Would there be any valid reason to add area for taskbar to bottom of the user interface where windows would minimize with their labels enabled.
-> It might give more professional look, but still keep the functionality as it was.
Would there be any valid reason to add separate chat button?
-> Can't think one which would not add mouse clicks to access minimized chats.
Would there be any reason to add separate channels button?
-> Probably useful to make finding new chats easier. Old channels button is pretty well hidden.
-> This button could also have links to already open chats, but should not be the main access route and should not light the icon on update.
Would there be any reason to add compare tool button?
-> Absolutely. It is really hard to access without shortcut keys and neocom icon.
How icons should attract player when there is something new going on?
-> With 2-3 blinks and icon should remain highlighted untill accessed.
-> Blinking should activate again if there is further new things taking place, even the button weren't "reseted".
Should the neocom be resizeable?
-> Depends if there is anything to gain/lose from that. Mostly cosmetic and personal preference.
-> Should be fully optional and customizable.
How did this task end up so horribly wrong?
Get |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
167
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:11:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:...because linking them all to that bar on the left is mighty annoying (I might, of course, have missed the ability to turn this off...)
Can we move the taskbar to the bottom, pls? 
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Ioci
Space Mermaids
70
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:20:00 -
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I didnt read to see if anyone answered this or not
Every time you minimise a window it goes to the toolbar as a blue exclamation with a mouseover for what it is.
Object window,
Overview,
Chat.
Just click the blue exclamation Icon to bring it back up? |
Njara Kasaka
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.28 15:22:00 -
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Ooo common, you kidding me ? Where is the standard minimize of the windows ???
Why again, you are changing everything, without option, to use old behavior of minimizing windows ?? Even Microsoft are doing changes with option to use previous setup and gui clicks ! ..
Please give us back, option to use old minimizing of windows ! These blue icons with "!" inside are terrible ..
It is just one "checkbox" in Game Options !! is it so hard to do that ??? We are paying you on montly basis for gods sake |
Brock Nelson
320
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Posted - 2012.01.28 15:24:00 -
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Because not everyone in this game has an operating system where minimizing the application doesn't go to the taskbar
I don't always like to modify my sell order but when I do, I like to spin my mouse wheel |
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
155
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Posted - 2012.01.28 15:27:00 -
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For cryin' out loud....I guess it bears repeating.
Open the chat window, double click on the title bar, and BAM.....chat window minimized to bottom of screen and no blinky.
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? |
Njara Kasaka
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.28 21:07:00 -
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Brock Nelson wrote:Because not everyone in this game has an operating system where minimizing the application doesn't go to the taskbar
Thanks for that. I'am living in linux from years ! Because of EVE i installed this stupid Win. Before that ( incarma ), i was using Eve with Wine in Debian GNU/Linux Unstable. And thanks, i know about double clicking on the window title.
MeestaPenni wrote:For cryin' out loud....I guess it bears repeating.
Open the chat window, double click on the title bar, and BAM.....chat window minimized to bottom of screen and no blinky.
Thanks MeestaPenni, i know that. But, when "Chat" window is minimized like that, blincking does not work !
Actually i'm using currently chat windows like that, and check it randomly for new events.
Currently the game is 10GB, what if we put additional 2MB for this "Feature" ? It is unbelievable, that we are begging for such thing ... |
Njara Kasaka
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.02 10:16:00 -
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I notice, that sometimes when double click on the window title, which makes rolling up ( shading ), and my chats window shade, there are "blinking" notification. Sometimes not .. strange ..
Anyway, it's seems that we must forget for this option for standard minimizing "feature" .. Good approach, keep users tight, to avoid spoiling them ! 
The dogs bark, but the caravan goes on 
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Ezurae
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.02.02 11:01:00 -
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Rixiu wrote:Preferred the old way simply because minimizing chat windows used to be useful, now if I'm "lucky" I get this useless mess: http://piclair.com/data/yexkt.jpgbut usually I get this: http://piclair.com/data/yhzxm.jpgDidn't want to access those chat windows anyways I guess... The entire neocom stinks of :awesome:, they added stuff just for the sake of adding them like the hierarchical menus in the "eve-menu", if a UI designer tries to convince anyone that they are a good idea in 2012 he'll get fired (outside the world of software development for professionals). And why are the ships and items icons stuck next to the ******* undock button? Who thought that was a good idea?
just double click the top of the chat window, if your chatwindow touches the bottom of your screen it will minimize there just like with the old "minimize" button |
Njara Kasaka
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 23:32:00 -
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Ezurae wrote:
just double click the top of the chat window, if your chatwindow touches the bottom of your screen it will minimize there just like with the old "minimize" button
Tanx, Ezurae, i know this "workaround" if we talk in "Oracle's" termionolgy :-D ... but ..
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Njara Kasaka
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.18 22:56:00 -
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I guess, we wont get this "BIG" feature, for "another" minimize windows behaviour 
It is soooo hard to do it ! Thanx CCP, this is good to be known - everyone pays, but you do not care of this...
Regards !
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Limitless Inc.
251
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Posted - 2012.02.18 23:41:00 -
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It's really horrible with 390458304958039485039485039485390853049583405934 icons on the left now. Was much much better with the old system.
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Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
177
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Posted - 2012.02.18 23:46:00 -
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I'd like to see the old minimize mechanic back in game!
Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
246
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:05:00 -
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Brock Nelson wrote:Because not everyone in this game has an operating system where minimizing the application doesn't go to the taskbar
95% probably do though, and it is prevalent throughout the computing world on a myriad of platforms, so please take your hamfistedness elsewhere. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1089
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:46:00 -
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My only problem with it is the difficulty of monitoring and restoring multiple chat windows.
Old way: you minimize a stack of chat windows, it becomes a little box at the bottom of the screen. If one of those chats is updated, the little box blinks and you know which one to click to see what was said.
New way: Every stack of chat windows disappears into the generic chat button, are not grouped by the stacking that you had, and you have to figure out which ones got updated. It's also not nearly as obvious that there was an update at all, as the button just tries to sparkle like a fake vampire instead of the easy, obvious BLINK BLINK BLINK of the old way.
New, shiny, and stupid is NOT better.
It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
246
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:52:00 -
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It most certainly is not - but try telling that to the Programutards who code this in.
Us: Will you listen to us when we tell you that not all of the changes that you've imposed upon our gameplay experience are for the better?
CCP: Of course not.
Us: Will you, as a company that exists on the basis of our subscriptions, do anything to even acknowledge and address the fact that what you've inflicted upon your customers is generally not well received?
CCP: Absolutely not, thanks for your money, now **** off
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
427
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Posted - 2012.03.16 13:54:00 -
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CCP must have someone from MS working for them. Has anyone else noticed that we now have "the ribbon", the single worst innovation in 20 years of app development? Sure, it's an E and not some funky ribbon button. At least CCP didn't randomly move familiar functions to entirely non-intuitive categories, but still. I hate the ribbon!
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
1285
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Posted - 2012.03.16 14:13:00 -
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Why does everybody complain about every little change so much? The NEOCOM change was a long time coming and it is a huge improvement. Yes I find the minimizing thing annoying too but I am getting used to it and I don't ***** about it. Change is going to happen. A lot more change is going to happen. Get used to it and for the love of God please stop bitching about it!
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
246
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Posted - 2012.03.16 14:29:00 -
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To quote from Friends:
Joey: "Do you know what I'm going to do when I next see those guys?"
Chandler: "Bend over?!"
Change is not always good. It's great that you're a nice little automaton, but not everyone is, so kindly depart. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
16
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Posted - 2012.03.16 14:32:00 -
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I like the idea but IT SUCKS!!!
Why? Because the NeoCom is already more then half filled with other stuff. Also when minimized I used to be able to still read the name of the different panels. Now I have to mouse-over half of them just to find back my local channel.
If you're in possession of a decent widescreen and usually have over 5 panels minimized, then this new feature SUCKS
Again a prime example of CCP thinking up a nice idea and implementing it without getting some community feedback first. But ok, if you can't stand the smell of customers on the forums, THEN AT LEAST MAKE IT OPTIONAL WHEN YOU IMPLEMENT IT!!!
It's like Incarna never happened 
[img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif[/img]
This needs fixin' |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
1286
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Posted - 2012.03.16 14:33:00 -
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Automaton? lol...most of these changes were requested by the players. No change is not always good but complaining about everything is never good, so kindly adapt.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
33
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Posted - 2012.03.16 14:50:00 -
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I adapted...
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