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Riddlock Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:33:00 - [31] Guess TFC and GOON's are sharing the same collective brain
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:34:00 - [32] Originally by: Riddlock Guess TFC and GOON's are sharing the same collective brain RA ordered us to reply like that, we don't have much say in the matter
Pawnee Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Dreznengul Only 4 motherships? really? Get with the times, this is how you camp low sec Oh wow. unbelievable! So EST is only No 2?
maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:41:00 - [34] Why are ppl being lame and claiming like they only ever used thier mom's in low sec. Afaik, they were used WAY more in 0.0 Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member <t20> i'd rather have a python in my pants than a sleipnir
Pawnee Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:44:00 - [35] RA does too. So you still are only No 2.
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:44:00 - [36] I'm sure they'll manage to live with the random burn toward them. Maybe having 4 motherships will help them cope. Getting smacked comes with the territory of lowsec motherships afaik, and it's not like anyone takes it seriously
Ventosus x13	Posted - 2007.10.15 17:14:00 - [37] ... where? ............... I will win Eve
PSA1SWIPE Caldari Bladerunners	Posted - 2007.10.15 17:16:00 - [38] Originally by: Ventosus ... where? Ihakana currently 3 ms in space ;) _______________________
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.10.15 17:36:00 - [39] Mostly just a sign of the times. MS are becoming more and more common and EST was due to upgrade. Much carnage ahead.
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.15 17:49:00 - [40] I love the smell of ganked victims this thread delivers!! Their bitter cries make the ganking so much more sweeter...
Xrensa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.15 17:59:00 - [41] Go to rancer and kick out Miz. Then smartbomb shuttles going to jita with a billion datacores (miz got me carrying 12 a while ago)
Hey You The Renegades	Posted - 2007.10.15 18:01:00 - [42] Originally by: Starfall Hammer Can you enlighten me as to what those achievements are? You are a tard. Seriously. What exactly you did in EvE? And hf EST We Ride Together We Die Together
Barthezz Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.15 18:27:00 - [43] Originally by: Ange1 Though I do not wish to dissapoint, for the time being you may find us maintaining a relatively low profile and keeping them in low-sec for the time being until they have been properly fitted to survive in 0.0. A standard T2 setup with partial Fighter/Drone compliments just won't do I'm sure most of you will understand given the tiny size of The Establishment, its limited support fleet and the huge threat even a single Interdictor can now pose, we need to make sure these ships can fend for themselves properly, before we start slaughtering the innocents in 0.0 Oh I know exactly how it is: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=610210 The original Hera has gotten my respect, I've seen him in battle (never been a victim though \o/ ) on a few occasions and inspired me to get my Nyx. Sadly enough found out (the hard way) the ease at which their trapped, but I'm not fussed. I'm slowly working on a new Nyx myself, though it wont be replaced this year All I'm saying is I hope you guys do eventually put it in danger and not just play with it in low-sec. As theres not much you can do about 4 motherships in low-sec, and whats the fun in eve without a little bit of danger ! Other then that, give me some of your income --- Dont be a victim of what I do to survive!
Ivor Gunn No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition	Posted - 2007.10.15 19:07:00 - [44] Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 15/10/2007 19:08:41 Originally by: Izo Azlion Watch your mouth when your speaking to people that know what they're doing. It might be the internet, and we might be blowing up pixels, but people deserve respect for their achievements. Treat people how you want to be treated. What achievments? They were the first to get the risk-free solopwnmobile and they ***d it extensively. It's hardly an achievment. There's plenty of other PvP corps who did more damage with far less resources. And as for the whole "Are they lowsec camping cowards?" issue. You can decide for yourself. Check Hera's activity from the dictor bubble boost to its death. It engages a sizable 0.0 force only once, and died. Now, they're getting mad props for killing badgers and **tily fitted ravens at a ridiculously slow rate, in ships worth over 100b isk collectively. Hell, if you're still in doubt about their abilities with capital ships, just look at the numbers of them they've lost. They're pretty insane for what, by their own admission, is a very small pvp group.
Mitsuni Abashadoni Minmatar The Prowlers	Posted - 2007.10.15 19:38:00 - [45] Originally by: Ivor Gunn Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 15/10/2007 19:08:41 Originally by: Izo Azlion Watch your mouth when your speaking to people that know what they're doing. It might be the internet, and we might be blowing up pixels, but people deserve respect for their achievements. Treat people how you want to be treated. What achievments? They were the first to get the risk-free solopwnmobile and they ***d it extensively. It's hardly an achievment. There's plenty of other PvP corps who did more damage with far less resources. And as for the whole "Are they lowsec camping cowards?" issue. You can decide for yourself. Check Hera's activity from the dictor bubble boost to its death. It engages a sizable 0.0 force only once, and died. Now, they're getting mad props for killing badgers and **tily fitted ravens at a ridiculously slow rate, in ships worth over 100b isk collectively. Hell, if you're still in doubt about their abilities with capital ships, just look at the numbers of them they've lost. They're pretty insane for what, by their own admission, is a very small pvp group. And now, check where they have lost those capitals.. in low-sec? No? Didn't think so..
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2007.10.15 19:43:00 - [46] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Starfall Hammer pfff zero risk pirating taken to new extremes, I look forward to seeing you ganking haulers in lo sec soonÖ Seriously though what is the point? With a couple of Megathrons and an Arazu you guys never really lost a ship or had any trouble as it was. Oh well hf I guess. Have you tried hunting in 0.0 in small groups recently?? I tried to get into providence for some solo stuff yesterday.. and it was nigh impossible. The whole evening the entry gates were camped by either tacklers with remote sensor boosting or interdictor bubbles or large bubbles, with no chance of getting through up to three gates in a row. I had an alt scout and it got killed everytime it tried to check the possibilities of busting in. I have no qualms in saying that I feared for my precious techII ship and for my pod in general. Needless to say that evenings hunting did not bear fruits. I cannot imagine what it must feel like to roam 0.0 in a mothership or motherships with little or no support knowing full well that your next cynojump could be your last. The odds are stacked against small groups as it is in 0.0, whatever ship they are flying. Zero risk?.... you are out of your mind. Ah Nez, but I see you have still your "I know it all attitude". Can I direct you to the Tri KB, the Outbreak KB, the CI killboard, where you will find a great many kills in 0.0 involving small gangs of hacs/cbc. The odds are not against small gangs roaming in 0.0, small gangs are where the fun is at as you have to use a modicum of skill with scouts and baits to get kills with any degree of success. Est used to enjoy enormous success when they used their blasterthron/damping HAC setups, I just find the idea of using supercaps to go ganking a bit meh. Sure I am jealous because i could never fly/afford one, but when/if I ever could I would hope to use it for something a bit more impressive than ganking haulers in lo sec. Basically unless these guys make the mistake of letting someone like MC or RA get a bead on them they run 0 risk as what other groups have the organisation and caps to take out a squad of 4 MS.
Ivor Gunn No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition	Posted - 2007.10.15 19:44:00 - [47] Originally by: Mitsuni Abashadoni And now, check where they have lost those capitals.. in low-sec? No? Didn't think so.. Yes. That's my point you dolt. Nearly every time they've fielded a capital force in 0.0, they've taken losses, and the only time they fielded their supercapital in 0.0 since the nerf, they lost it. They're hardly the omgsuperleet godlike pvpers people make them out to be. You don't get brownie points just for being in 0.0 when every time you go there all you do is kill a couple of ratting ravens with a pair of arazus and a nyx.
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2007.10.15 19:45:00 - [48] Edited by: Starfall Hammer on 15/10/2007 19:46:55 meh I smacked enough for one thread. Have fun Est. you guys rock!!!1
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.10.15 19:58:00 - [49] Originally by: Starfall Hammer Can I direct you to the Tri KB, the Outbreak KB, the CI killboard, where you will find a great many kills in 0.0 involving small gangs of hacs/cbc. bah.. don't know why I bother but here goes... You are talking of some pretty hefty entities there. These guys bring ownage at an alliance scale with them. Yeah sure they hunt in small gangs too but if they encounter any degree of serious resistance they have the option of calling in reinforcements. And rightly so... thats the way the cookie crumbles. Heading into 0.0 with a small gang and no reinforcements can often be a one way ticket.. no matter what ship you fly. In the words of Gimli the dwarf "Certainty of death, small chance of success... well, what're we waiting for? " ( god I'm such a nerd).. anyways... without backup you can (depending on your level of skill/drunkenness/tiredness) get get into sticky situations out of which there is no exit. And besides you missed the whole point of Ange1's post.. they are tweaking their setups in low sec, and then gonna put their supercaps to use in 0.0. Where they might very well lose them, with no reinforcements to call upon. And what makes you think its easy to avoid the roaming eye of the big alliances, whose month/year is made when they kill a mothership? Those four Establishment motherships will be some of the most hunted ships in the game.
Antion Gallente Koshaku Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.15 20:05:00 - [50] Very nice guys, look forward to seeing you in the future (hopefully not dieing though). ------------------- Director, KAZO
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.15 20:23:00 - [51] Originally by: Ivor Gunn stuff Originally by: Starfall Hammer some more stuff The funniest part is that I have never heard of either of you even though your posts makes me think you believe you are great pvpers. I have heard a lot about EST.
jackolena Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.10.15 20:42:00 - [52] Edited by: jackolena on 15/10/2007 20:43:40 Much respect to The Establishment i flew with Hera many times in 0.0 and im sure it wont be long untill i can fly with the great ships and there pilots! use them well and only you can deside how to use them properly.
jackolena Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.10.15 20:43:00 - [53] Edited by: jackolena on 15/10/2007 20:43:19
Alchemos Gallente Middle School Comedy Club	Posted - 2007.10.15 21:04:00 - [54] is four motherships alot? i see at least 4 together in low sec routes regularly.
Shin Ra Origin Unknown.	Posted - 2007.10.15 21:09:00 - [55] Originally by: Mitsuni Abashadoni Originally by: Ivor Gunn Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 15/10/2007 19:08:41 Originally by: Izo Azlion Watch your mouth when your speaking to people that know what they're doing. It might be the internet, and we might be blowing up pixels, but people deserve respect for their achievements. Treat people how you want to be treated. What achievments? They were the first to get the risk-free solopwnmobile and they ***d it extensively. It's hardly an achievment. There's plenty of other PvP corps who did more damage with far less resources. And as for the whole "Are they lowsec camping cowards?" issue. You can decide for yourself. Check Hera's activity from the dictor bubble boost to its death. It engages a sizable 0.0 force only once, and died. Now, they're getting mad props for killing badgers and **tily fitted ravens at a ridiculously slow rate, in ships worth over 100b isk collectively. Hell, if you're still in doubt about their abilities with capital ships, just look at the numbers of them they've lost. They're pretty insane for what, by their own admission, is a very small pvp group. And now, check where they have lost those capitals.. in low-sec? No? Didn't think so.. So you are agreeing with him?
Ivor Gunn No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition	Posted - 2007.10.15 21:24:00 - [56] Originally by: Mangold The funniest part is that I have never heard of either of you... Well, of course you've never heard of me. No one expects the spanish inquisition.
Murukan Minmatar Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.10.15 21:33:00 - [57] Originally by: Ivor Gunn Originally by: Mangold The funniest part is that I have never heard of either of you... Well, of course you've never heard of me. No one expects the spanish inquisition. actually it's probably due to the fact that you're a nobody that's not worth knowing Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:36:00 - [58] Edited by: Starfall Hammer on 15/10/2007 22:36:12 Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Starfall Hammer Can I direct you to the Tri KB, the Outbreak KB, the CI killboard, where you will find a great many kills in 0.0 involving small gangs of hacs/cbc. bah.. don't know why I bother but here goes... You are talking of some pretty hefty entities there. These guys bring ownage at an alliance scale with them. Yeah sure they hunt in small gangs too but if they encounter any degree of serious resistance they have the option of calling in reinforcements. And rightly so... thats the way the cookie crumbles. Heading into 0.0 with a small gang and no reinforcements can often be a one way ticket.. no matter what ship you fly. In the words of Gimli the dwarf "Certainty of death, small chance of success... well, what're we waiting for? " ( god I'm such a nerd).. anyways... without backup you can (depending on your level of skill/drunkenness/tiredness) get get into sticky situations out of which there is no exit. And besides you missed the whole point of Ange1's post.. they are tweaking their setups in low sec, and then gonna put their supercaps to use in 0.0. Where they might very well lose them, with no reinforcements to call upon. And what makes you think its easy to avoid the roaming eye of the big alliances, whose month/year is made when they kill a mothership? Those four Establishment motherships will be some of the most hunted ships in the game. Your point was that hunting in small packs in 0.0 was near impossible. I directed you to various KB to show that that is not true and that it is very easy to have success in such gangs, in fact they are the most likely to be successful as a large fleet is soon tracked and announced in every intell channel going. I dont deny getting into 0.0 through an obvious 0.0 choke point can be tough but there are plenty of ways in and once in it is easy enough to get around, especially in the typical roaming gang of vagas, ishtars, recons and ceptors. I did not miss the point of Ange1's post at all. I dont care whether they take those MS hunting with t2 fit or all officer mod fit, either way for what they use them for it is ridiculous overkill. Est, had amazing success as a pirate corp when they flew blasterthrons with an arazu for support and rarely lost a ship. Doing more or less the same thing but with MS is, IMO, like using a sledgehammer to ***** a nut. People loved that Lyticus vid because there was a pirate flying ceptors and Raxes to get kills, where is the skill in using 120bn isk of ships to gank some poor sod ratting in a badly fitted thanatos in some carebear alliance? Tell you what, when I see them taking down some RA dreads or Tri dreads or massive 0utbreak gang I will be properly impressed. I am sure the 7 industrials they managed to gank tonight gave them a real run for their money.
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:46:00 - [59] Even though The Establishment was a pain to fight at many nights, I wish you good luck with the new ships. Just stay out of our turf! --- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) Newsposter/contenteditor EVE - MMOZone.nl
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:53:00 - [60] Originally by: Starfall Hammer Tell you what, when I see them taking down some RA dreads or Tri dreads or massive 0utbreak gang I will be properly impressed. I am sure the 7 industrials they managed to gank tonight gave them a real run for their money. K.. I can see where you are coming from. However, I personally wouldn't take 4 MS into 0.0 with little or no support - or even the one, Hera, when she was still in one piece - for love nor money. Its just not worth the risk in my eyes. Thats why I see it fit to extend some kudos to EST. But hey maybe both you and EST know something about 4 MS working together that I do not... its quite likely since I've never flown one.

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