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Diavolu United Warriors Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.15 08:09:00 - [1] Lets see what they do with 4 motherships now.
Fabrezio Soldiers Of Darkness Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.15 08:18:00 - [2] Huh? Please do not remove moderator edits from your signature. It has been removed because it doesn't reflect your ingame persona. If you have comments or questions please email us at [email protected]. Thanks, Hango
Yuno Kang	Posted - 2007.10.15 08:25:00 - [3] Originally by: Diavolu Lets see what they do with 4 motherships now. Apparently lowsec gate camping. Anyway know what x13 are up to these days?
Yuto Kang Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.10.15 08:26:00 - [4] Wrong char... I'll go upgrade my version of Forum.exe right now ___________________________
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.15 08:48:00 - [5] my god... gangs of 4 MS camping lowsec, arghhhhhhhhhh ------ Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence
Kieranda Weyland-Yutani Future Technologies Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:15:00 - [6] and they named their motherships Hera, Artemis, Athena and Aphrodite right?
Barthezz Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:41:00 - [7] Impressive to say the least, going from 1 Nyx to 2 Nyx 1 Aeon and a Wyvern. Lets see if these MS will earn them the same respect that the original Hera got them, e.g. will they leave low-sec ? --- Dont be a victim of what I do to survive!
Pesadel0 Ordem dos Templarios Pax Atlantis	Posted - 2007.10.15 09:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Barthezz Impressive to say the least, going from 1 Nyx to 2 Nyx 1 Aeon and a Wyvern. Lets see if these MS will earn them the same respect that the original Hera got them, e.g. will they leave low-sec ? The establismeant was the only pirate entity that i know off that were frenquentlly in 0.,hera died in 0.0 :D.
Golden Helmet Caldari Finite Horizon Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:27:00 - [9] 4 moms? Interesting times ahead. Can't wait to see who gets the joy of being killed by them. Have fun
INZi coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.15 10:45:00 - [10] est. aka. orginial oldschool pirates with moms. big up. let u guys have much fun in pwning the eve population with em _
Brunswick2 coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.15 13:51:00 - [11] *Brunswick2 locks his door
Barthezz Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: Barthezz Impressive to say the least, going from 1 Nyx to 2 Nyx 1 Aeon and a Wyvern. Lets see if these MS will earn them the same respect that the original Hera got them, e.g. will they leave low-sec ? The establismeant was the only pirate entity that i know off that were frenquentlly in 0.,hera died in 0.0 :D. I know, thats why I said, lets see if these will earn them the same respect. Pure low-sec mom's dont earn respect, they will eventually get mom's another nerf (which they dont need, at least not in 0.0). The Establisment earned my respect for the way they used it in 0.0, not through their low sec adventures. So lets see if we start seeing 0.0 kills from them, or just low-sec gank after gank. --- Dont be a victim of what I do to survive!
TheAdj Endless Destruction	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:19:00 - [13] Unless you're a crazy Russian with a lot of caps on standby at any given moment, run away. Quickly. ---------------- Alliance Killboard
Pawnee Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:30:00 - [14] Edited by: Pawnee on 15/10/2007 14:34:14 only 4, not more? peanuts ...
The Lamentress Glenn Danzig's Mother	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:58:00 - [15] Mothership x 4?? How many bill is that
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Barthezz I know, thats why I said, lets see if these will earn them the same respect. Pure low-sec mom's dont earn respect, they will eventually get mom's another nerf (which they dont need, at least not in 0.0). The Establisment earned my respect for the way they used it in 0.0, not through their low sec adventures. So lets see if we start seeing 0.0 kills from them, or just low-sec gank after gank. Though I do not wish to dissapoint, for the time being you may find us maintaining a relatively low profile and keeping them in low-sec for the time being until they have been properly fitted to survive in 0.0. A standard T2 setup with partial Fighter/Drone compliments just won't do I'm sure most of you will understand given the tiny size of The Establishment, its limited support fleet and the huge threat even a single Interdictor can now pose, we need to make sure these ships can fend for themselves properly, before we start slaughtering the innocents in 0.0 The Establishment is at your service...
Ivor Gunn No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Ange1 Though I do not wish to dissapoint, for the time being you may find us maintaining a relatively low profile and keeping them in low-sec for the time being "Hi guys, we ** up every time we use capitals in 0.0 because we're actually ** and just rely on isk and celebrity. So we'll just smartbomb rancer and aunenen for now."
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Ivor Gunn "Hi guys, we ** up every time we use capitals in 0.0 because we're actually ** and just rely on isk and celebrity. So we'll just smartbomb rancer and aunenen for now." Thats slander boy!!! Angel1 and co. have been terrorizing the space ways in one form or another since before you were a twinkle in your daddy's eye.... have some respect.
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:28:00 - [19] Edited by: Izo Azlion on 15/10/2007 15:29:51 Originally by: Ange1 Originally by: Barthezz I know, thats why I said, lets see if these will earn them the same respect. Pure low-sec mom's dont earn respect, they will eventually get mom's another nerf (which they dont need, at least not in 0.0). The Establisment earned my respect for the way they used it in 0.0, not through their low sec adventures. So lets see if we start seeing 0.0 kills from them, or just low-sec gank after gank. Though I do not wish to dissapoint, for the time being you may find us maintaining a relatively low profile and keeping them in low-sec for the time being until they have been properly fitted to survive in 0.0. A standard T2 setup with partial Fighter/Drone compliments just won't do I'm sure most of you will understand given the tiny size of The Establishment, its limited support fleet and the huge threat even a single Interdictor can now pose, we need to make sure these ships can fend for themselves properly, before we start slaughtering the innocents in 0.0 Congratulations Ange1, and EST, I'm glad to see your back. You wernt wrong when you told me "Soon" Edit: Originally by: Ivor Gunn Originally by: Ange1 Though I do not wish to dissapoint, for the time being you may find us maintaining a relatively low profile and keeping them in low-sec for the time being "Hi guys, we ** up every time we use capitals in 0.0 because we're actually ** and just rely on isk and celebrity. So we'll just smartbomb rancer and aunenen for now." Watch your mouth when your speaking to people that know what they're doing. It might be the internet, and we might be blowing up pixels, but people deserve respect for their achievements. Treat people how you want to be treated. Izo Azlion. ---
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:40:00 - [20] pfff zero risk pirating taken to new extremes, I look forward to seeing you ganking haulers in lo sec soonÖ Seriously though what is the point? With a couple of Megathrons and an Arazu you guys never really lost a ship or had any trouble as it was. Oh well hf I guess.
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:43:00 - [21] Originally by: Izo Azlion Watch your mouth when your speaking to people that know what they're doing. It might be the internet, and we might be blowing up pixels, but people deserve respect for their achievements. Treat people how you want to be treated. Can you enlighten me as to what those achievements are? lo sec pirating is the easiest way to play this game that there is, and using caps just makes a joke of it. If people got good kills using cruisers and tactics/skills then I would be impressed. Wtf is impressive about tanking some sentry guns in a 30bn isk ship that cannot be scrammed in space where dictor bubbles are not allowed?
Mag's MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Starfall Hammer Waffle..... They had the first and longest PvP surviving MS in EvE at one time. Most of the action it had seen was in 0.0, and it had an awesome reputation, and they were not afraid to use it. Even when drunk. You should get some facts together first, you're just making yourself look like a numpty atm. Mag's
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:49:00 - [23] Originally by: Starfall Hammer pfff zero risk pirating taken to new extremes, I look forward to seeing you ganking haulers in lo sec soonÖ Seriously though what is the point? With a couple of Megathrons and an Arazu you guys never really lost a ship or had any trouble as it was. Oh well hf I guess. Have you tried hunting in 0.0 in small groups recently?? I tried to get into providence for some solo stuff yesterday.. and it was nigh impossible. The whole evening the entry gates were camped by either tacklers with remote sensor boosting or interdictor bubbles or large bubbles, with no chance of getting through up to three gates in a row. I had an alt scout and it got killed everytime it tried to check the possibilities of busting in. I have no qualms in saying that I feared for my precious techII ship and for my pod in general. Needless to say that evenings hunting did not bear fruits. I cannot imagine what it must feel like to roam 0.0 in a mothership or motherships with little or no support knowing full well that your next cynojump could be your last. The odds are stacked against small groups as it is in 0.0, whatever ship they are flying. Zero risk?.... you are out of your mind.
Havras The Syndicate Inc	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:55:00 - [24] Originally by: Ivor Gunn Originally by: Ange1 Though I do not wish to dissapoint, for the time being you may find us maintaining a relatively low profile and keeping them in low-sec for the time being "Hi guys, we ** up every time we use capitals in 0.0 because we're actually and just rely on isk and celebrity. So we'll just smartbomb rancer and aunenen for now." Aww.. bitter bitter lil alt. Did they gank you sometime along the way? Establishment are playing it safe until they have the fittings they want. Only a fool takes a poorly outfitted MOM into 0.0 these days. Oh and if your going to be smacking like that.. at least have the balls to do it with your main. Quote:** If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor.
Dreznengul Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:58:00 - [25] Only 4 motherships? really? Get with the times, this is how you camp low sec
Mitsuni Abashadoni Minmatar The Prowlers	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:03:00 - [26] Originally by: Ivor Gunn Originally by: Ange1 Though I do not wish to dissapoint, for the time being you may find us maintaining a relatively low profile and keeping them in low-sec for the time being "Hi guys, we ** up every time we use capitals in 0.0 because we're actually ** and just rely on isk and celebrity. So we'll just smartbomb rancer and aunenen for now." I think you confuse The Establishment and Hera with Miz Cenuij and his merry bunch of low-sec pirates, who are the ones smartbombing in Rancer and nearby systems. The Establishment has quite frequently used Hera in 0.0, and for a very long time they brought the fight to quite silly odds. Read up on history before you start throwing your dirt around.
Paddington Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:08:00 - [27] Good to see EST, i'm sure you'll cause much havoc with those beautiful beasts!
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Dreznengul Only 4 motherships? really? Get with the times, this is how you camp low sec Oh wow. Paradox V2.0 is recruiting!
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:16:00 - [29] Originally by: Kieranda and they named their motherships Hera, Artemis, Athena and Aphrodite right? Hera, Freyja, Delos and Dionysus. The Establishment is at your service...
titanstory Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:29:00 - [30] Edited by: titanstory on 15/10/2007 16:29:25 camping low sec = noob.
Riddlock Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:33:00 - [31] Guess TFC and GOON's are sharing the same collective brain
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:34:00 - [32] Originally by: Riddlock Guess TFC and GOON's are sharing the same collective brain RA ordered us to reply like that, we don't have much say in the matter
Pawnee Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Dreznengul Only 4 motherships? really? Get with the times, this is how you camp low sec Oh wow. unbelievable! So EST is only No 2?
maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:41:00 - [34] Why are ppl being lame and claiming like they only ever used thier mom's in low sec. Afaik, they were used WAY more in 0.0 Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member <t20> i'd rather have a python in my pants than a sleipnir
Pawnee Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:44:00 - [35] RA does too. So you still are only No 2.
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:44:00 - [36] I'm sure they'll manage to live with the random burn toward them. Maybe having 4 motherships will help them cope. Getting smacked comes with the territory of lowsec motherships afaik, and it's not like anyone takes it seriously
Ventosus x13	Posted - 2007.10.15 17:14:00 - [37] ... where? ............... I will win Eve
PSA1SWIPE Caldari Bladerunners	Posted - 2007.10.15 17:16:00 - [38] Originally by: Ventosus ... where? Ihakana currently 3 ms in space ;) _______________________
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.10.15 17:36:00 - [39] Mostly just a sign of the times. MS are becoming more and more common and EST was due to upgrade. Much carnage ahead.
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.15 17:49:00 - [40] I love the smell of ganked victims this thread delivers!! Their bitter cries make the ganking so much more sweeter...
Xrensa GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.15 17:59:00 - [41] Go to rancer and kick out Miz. Then smartbomb shuttles going to jita with a billion datacores (miz got me carrying 12 a while ago)
Hey You The Renegades	Posted - 2007.10.15 18:01:00 - [42] Originally by: Starfall Hammer Can you enlighten me as to what those achievements are? You are a tard. Seriously. What exactly you did in EvE? And hf EST We Ride Together We Die Together
Barthezz Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.15 18:27:00 - [43] Originally by: Ange1 Though I do not wish to dissapoint, for the time being you may find us maintaining a relatively low profile and keeping them in low-sec for the time being until they have been properly fitted to survive in 0.0. A standard T2 setup with partial Fighter/Drone compliments just won't do I'm sure most of you will understand given the tiny size of The Establishment, its limited support fleet and the huge threat even a single Interdictor can now pose, we need to make sure these ships can fend for themselves properly, before we start slaughtering the innocents in 0.0 Oh I know exactly how it is: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=610210 The original Hera has gotten my respect, I've seen him in battle (never been a victim though \o/ ) on a few occasions and inspired me to get my Nyx. Sadly enough found out (the hard way) the ease at which their trapped, but I'm not fussed. I'm slowly working on a new Nyx myself, though it wont be replaced this year All I'm saying is I hope you guys do eventually put it in danger and not just play with it in low-sec. As theres not much you can do about 4 motherships in low-sec, and whats the fun in eve without a little bit of danger ! Other then that, give me some of your income --- Dont be a victim of what I do to survive!
Ivor Gunn No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition	Posted - 2007.10.15 19:07:00 - [44] Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 15/10/2007 19:08:41 Originally by: Izo Azlion Watch your mouth when your speaking to people that know what they're doing. It might be the internet, and we might be blowing up pixels, but people deserve respect for their achievements. Treat people how you want to be treated. What achievments? They were the first to get the risk-free solopwnmobile and they ***d it extensively. It's hardly an achievment. There's plenty of other PvP corps who did more damage with far less resources. And as for the whole "Are they lowsec camping cowards?" issue. You can decide for yourself. Check Hera's activity from the dictor bubble boost to its death. It engages a sizable 0.0 force only once, and died. Now, they're getting mad props for killing badgers and **tily fitted ravens at a ridiculously slow rate, in ships worth over 100b isk collectively. Hell, if you're still in doubt about their abilities with capital ships, just look at the numbers of them they've lost. They're pretty insane for what, by their own admission, is a very small pvp group.
Mitsuni Abashadoni Minmatar The Prowlers	Posted - 2007.10.15 19:38:00 - [45] Originally by: Ivor Gunn Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 15/10/2007 19:08:41 Originally by: Izo Azlion Watch your mouth when your speaking to people that know what they're doing. It might be the internet, and we might be blowing up pixels, but people deserve respect for their achievements. Treat people how you want to be treated. What achievments? They were the first to get the risk-free solopwnmobile and they ***d it extensively. It's hardly an achievment. There's plenty of other PvP corps who did more damage with far less resources. And as for the whole "Are they lowsec camping cowards?" issue. You can decide for yourself. Check Hera's activity from the dictor bubble boost to its death. It engages a sizable 0.0 force only once, and died. Now, they're getting mad props for killing badgers and **tily fitted ravens at a ridiculously slow rate, in ships worth over 100b isk collectively. Hell, if you're still in doubt about their abilities with capital ships, just look at the numbers of them they've lost. They're pretty insane for what, by their own admission, is a very small pvp group. And now, check where they have lost those capitals.. in low-sec? No? Didn't think so..
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2007.10.15 19:43:00 - [46] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Starfall Hammer pfff zero risk pirating taken to new extremes, I look forward to seeing you ganking haulers in lo sec soonÖ Seriously though what is the point? With a couple of Megathrons and an Arazu you guys never really lost a ship or had any trouble as it was. Oh well hf I guess. Have you tried hunting in 0.0 in small groups recently?? I tried to get into providence for some solo stuff yesterday.. and it was nigh impossible. The whole evening the entry gates were camped by either tacklers with remote sensor boosting or interdictor bubbles or large bubbles, with no chance of getting through up to three gates in a row. I had an alt scout and it got killed everytime it tried to check the possibilities of busting in. I have no qualms in saying that I feared for my precious techII ship and for my pod in general. Needless to say that evenings hunting did not bear fruits. I cannot imagine what it must feel like to roam 0.0 in a mothership or motherships with little or no support knowing full well that your next cynojump could be your last. The odds are stacked against small groups as it is in 0.0, whatever ship they are flying. Zero risk?.... you are out of your mind. Ah Nez, but I see you have still your "I know it all attitude". Can I direct you to the Tri KB, the Outbreak KB, the CI killboard, where you will find a great many kills in 0.0 involving small gangs of hacs/cbc. The odds are not against small gangs roaming in 0.0, small gangs are where the fun is at as you have to use a modicum of skill with scouts and baits to get kills with any degree of success. Est used to enjoy enormous success when they used their blasterthron/damping HAC setups, I just find the idea of using supercaps to go ganking a bit meh. Sure I am jealous because i could never fly/afford one, but when/if I ever could I would hope to use it for something a bit more impressive than ganking haulers in lo sec. Basically unless these guys make the mistake of letting someone like MC or RA get a bead on them they run 0 risk as what other groups have the organisation and caps to take out a squad of 4 MS.
Ivor Gunn No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition	Posted - 2007.10.15 19:44:00 - [47] Originally by: Mitsuni Abashadoni And now, check where they have lost those capitals.. in low-sec? No? Didn't think so.. Yes. That's my point you dolt. Nearly every time they've fielded a capital force in 0.0, they've taken losses, and the only time they fielded their supercapital in 0.0 since the nerf, they lost it. They're hardly the omgsuperleet godlike pvpers people make them out to be. You don't get brownie points just for being in 0.0 when every time you go there all you do is kill a couple of ratting ravens with a pair of arazus and a nyx.
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2007.10.15 19:45:00 - [48] Edited by: Starfall Hammer on 15/10/2007 19:46:55 meh I smacked enough for one thread. Have fun Est. you guys rock!!!1
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.10.15 19:58:00 - [49] Originally by: Starfall Hammer Can I direct you to the Tri KB, the Outbreak KB, the CI killboard, where you will find a great many kills in 0.0 involving small gangs of hacs/cbc. bah.. don't know why I bother but here goes... You are talking of some pretty hefty entities there. These guys bring ownage at an alliance scale with them. Yeah sure they hunt in small gangs too but if they encounter any degree of serious resistance they have the option of calling in reinforcements. And rightly so... thats the way the cookie crumbles. Heading into 0.0 with a small gang and no reinforcements can often be a one way ticket.. no matter what ship you fly. In the words of Gimli the dwarf "Certainty of death, small chance of success... well, what're we waiting for? " ( god I'm such a nerd).. anyways... without backup you can (depending on your level of skill/drunkenness/tiredness) get get into sticky situations out of which there is no exit. And besides you missed the whole point of Ange1's post.. they are tweaking their setups in low sec, and then gonna put their supercaps to use in 0.0. Where they might very well lose them, with no reinforcements to call upon. And what makes you think its easy to avoid the roaming eye of the big alliances, whose month/year is made when they kill a mothership? Those four Establishment motherships will be some of the most hunted ships in the game.
Antion Gallente Koshaku Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.15 20:05:00 - [50] Very nice guys, look forward to seeing you in the future (hopefully not dieing though). ------------------- Director, KAZO
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.15 20:23:00 - [51] Originally by: Ivor Gunn stuff Originally by: Starfall Hammer some more stuff The funniest part is that I have never heard of either of you even though your posts makes me think you believe you are great pvpers. I have heard a lot about EST.
jackolena Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.10.15 20:42:00 - [52] Edited by: jackolena on 15/10/2007 20:43:40 Much respect to The Establishment i flew with Hera many times in 0.0 and im sure it wont be long untill i can fly with the great ships and there pilots! use them well and only you can deside how to use them properly.
jackolena Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.10.15 20:43:00 - [53] Edited by: jackolena on 15/10/2007 20:43:19
Alchemos Gallente Middle School Comedy Club	Posted - 2007.10.15 21:04:00 - [54] is four motherships alot? i see at least 4 together in low sec routes regularly.
Shin Ra Origin Unknown.	Posted - 2007.10.15 21:09:00 - [55] Originally by: Mitsuni Abashadoni Originally by: Ivor Gunn Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 15/10/2007 19:08:41 Originally by: Izo Azlion Watch your mouth when your speaking to people that know what they're doing. It might be the internet, and we might be blowing up pixels, but people deserve respect for their achievements. Treat people how you want to be treated. What achievments? They were the first to get the risk-free solopwnmobile and they ***d it extensively. It's hardly an achievment. There's plenty of other PvP corps who did more damage with far less resources. And as for the whole "Are they lowsec camping cowards?" issue. You can decide for yourself. Check Hera's activity from the dictor bubble boost to its death. It engages a sizable 0.0 force only once, and died. Now, they're getting mad props for killing badgers and **tily fitted ravens at a ridiculously slow rate, in ships worth over 100b isk collectively. Hell, if you're still in doubt about their abilities with capital ships, just look at the numbers of them they've lost. They're pretty insane for what, by their own admission, is a very small pvp group. And now, check where they have lost those capitals.. in low-sec? No? Didn't think so.. So you are agreeing with him?
Ivor Gunn No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition	Posted - 2007.10.15 21:24:00 - [56] Originally by: Mangold The funniest part is that I have never heard of either of you... Well, of course you've never heard of me. No one expects the spanish inquisition.
Murukan Minmatar Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.10.15 21:33:00 - [57] Originally by: Ivor Gunn Originally by: Mangold The funniest part is that I have never heard of either of you... Well, of course you've never heard of me. No one expects the spanish inquisition. actually it's probably due to the fact that you're a nobody that's not worth knowing Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:36:00 - [58] Edited by: Starfall Hammer on 15/10/2007 22:36:12 Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Starfall Hammer Can I direct you to the Tri KB, the Outbreak KB, the CI killboard, where you will find a great many kills in 0.0 involving small gangs of hacs/cbc. bah.. don't know why I bother but here goes... You are talking of some pretty hefty entities there. These guys bring ownage at an alliance scale with them. Yeah sure they hunt in small gangs too but if they encounter any degree of serious resistance they have the option of calling in reinforcements. And rightly so... thats the way the cookie crumbles. Heading into 0.0 with a small gang and no reinforcements can often be a one way ticket.. no matter what ship you fly. In the words of Gimli the dwarf "Certainty of death, small chance of success... well, what're we waiting for? " ( god I'm such a nerd).. anyways... without backup you can (depending on your level of skill/drunkenness/tiredness) get get into sticky situations out of which there is no exit. And besides you missed the whole point of Ange1's post.. they are tweaking their setups in low sec, and then gonna put their supercaps to use in 0.0. Where they might very well lose them, with no reinforcements to call upon. And what makes you think its easy to avoid the roaming eye of the big alliances, whose month/year is made when they kill a mothership? Those four Establishment motherships will be some of the most hunted ships in the game. Your point was that hunting in small packs in 0.0 was near impossible. I directed you to various KB to show that that is not true and that it is very easy to have success in such gangs, in fact they are the most likely to be successful as a large fleet is soon tracked and announced in every intell channel going. I dont deny getting into 0.0 through an obvious 0.0 choke point can be tough but there are plenty of ways in and once in it is easy enough to get around, especially in the typical roaming gang of vagas, ishtars, recons and ceptors. I did not miss the point of Ange1's post at all. I dont care whether they take those MS hunting with t2 fit or all officer mod fit, either way for what they use them for it is ridiculous overkill. Est, had amazing success as a pirate corp when they flew blasterthrons with an arazu for support and rarely lost a ship. Doing more or less the same thing but with MS is, IMO, like using a sledgehammer to ***** a nut. People loved that Lyticus vid because there was a pirate flying ceptors and Raxes to get kills, where is the skill in using 120bn isk of ships to gank some poor sod ratting in a badly fitted thanatos in some carebear alliance? Tell you what, when I see them taking down some RA dreads or Tri dreads or massive 0utbreak gang I will be properly impressed. I am sure the 7 industrials they managed to gank tonight gave them a real run for their money.
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:46:00 - [59] Even though The Establishment was a pain to fight at many nights, I wish you good luck with the new ships. Just stay out of our turf! --- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected]) Newsposter/contenteditor EVE - MMOZone.nl
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.10.15 22:53:00 - [60] Originally by: Starfall Hammer Tell you what, when I see them taking down some RA dreads or Tri dreads or massive 0utbreak gang I will be properly impressed. I am sure the 7 industrials they managed to gank tonight gave them a real run for their money. K.. I can see where you are coming from. However, I personally wouldn't take 4 MS into 0.0 with little or no support - or even the one, Hera, when she was still in one piece - for love nor money. Its just not worth the risk in my eyes. Thats why I see it fit to extend some kudos to EST. But hey maybe both you and EST know something about 4 MS working together that I do not... its quite likely since I've never flown one.
Phelaen Under the Wings of Fury Atrocitas	Posted - 2007.10.15 23:07:00 - [61] Congrats to the Establishment! i had the pleasure of flying with Hera a few times.. all in the drone regions i might add... yes yes its 0.0 well done lads insert sig here
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.15 23:12:00 - [62] The only reason Hera survived for as long as it did in spite of seeing 0.0 action was because supercapitals were virtually unkillable prior to Rev 2. Much like BoB, its invincibility was taken away in a single patch and subsequently lost extremely quickly. Should these 4 new motherships leave lowsec with any regularity, I have no reason to believe they will fare any better given the Establishment's terrible post-Rev2 track record of supercapital survival. --------- im ghey xD
Davlin Lotze STK Scientific M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.16 00:30:00 - [63] Originally by: Dreznengul Only 4 motherships? really? Get with the times, this is how you camp low sec I'm aroused in IRL by this
Nomispanco Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.16 01:28:00 - [64] Edited by: Nomispanco on 16/10/2007 01:29:31 Originally by: titanstory Edited by: titanstory on 15/10/2007 16:29:25 camping low sec = noob. Gj too :) And Btw who are the new owners of those ships ? Ign0 => Nyx. Seek => Aeon. Tzlayer => Wyvern. And => ? -- Nomispanco --
Mitsuni Abashadoni Minmatar The Prowlers	Posted - 2007.10.16 06:24:00 - [65] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Mitsuni Abashadoni Originally by: Ivor Gunn Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 15/10/2007 19:08:41 Originally by: Izo Azlion Watch your mouth when your speaking to people that know what they're doing. It might be the internet, and we might be blowing up pixels, but people deserve respect for their achievements. Treat people how you want to be treated. What achievments? They were the first to get the risk-free solopwnmobile and they ***d it extensively. It's hardly an achievment. There's plenty of other PvP corps who did more damage with far less resources. And as for the whole "Are they lowsec camping cowards?" issue. You can decide for yourself. Check Hera's activity from the dictor bubble boost to its death. It engages a sizable 0.0 force only once, and died. Now, they're getting mad props for killing badgers and **tily fitted ravens at a ridiculously slow rate, in ships worth over 100b isk collectively. Hell, if you're still in doubt about their abilities with capital ships, just look at the numbers of them they've lost. They're pretty insane for what, by their own admission, is a very small pvp group. And now, check where they have lost those capitals.. in low-sec? No? Didn't think so.. So you are agreeing with him? No, just pointing out that the says that they use risk-free solopwnmobiles, and only in low-sec, while all their capital losses, at which Hera has mostly been present, are in 0.0 - I'm merely pointing out that Mr. Gunn is wrong and coming off as quite the muppet.
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0	Posted - 2007.10.16 06:52:00 - [66] Originally by: Ventosus ... where? go kill miz if you want a challenge Paradox V2.0 is recruiting!
Nich Barker	Posted - 2007.10.16 10:23:00 - [67] Originally by: Ivor Gunn Originally by: Ange1 Though I do not wish to dissapoint, for the time being you may find us maintaining a relatively low profile and keeping them in low-sec for the time being "Hi guys, we ** up every time we use capitals in 0.0 because we're actually ** and just rely on isk and celebrity. So we'll just smartbomb rancer and aunenen for now." that's ginger magician
Ivor Gunn No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition	Posted - 2007.10.16 19:43:00 - [68] Originally by: Mitsuni Abashadoni I'm merely pointing out that Mr. Gunn is wrong and coming off as quite the muppet. Oh, noez. I'm slitting my wrists, honest. Quote: at which Hera has mostly been present, are in 0.0 Check the dates. Hera was barely, if ever, used in 0.0 after rev 2.0. See if you can work out why. As for their supposedly mythical sub-capital pvp skills? Well. I'm sure the 7 industrials and 2 T1 BS kills they've had this week are testaments to the sheer ferociousness of their abilities.
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:06:00 - [69] Originally by: Ivor Gunn As for their supposedly mythical sub-capital pvp skills? Well. I'm sure the 7 industrials and 2 T1 BS kills they've had this week are testaments to the sheer ferociousness of their abilities. Is this your entire argument for our PvP abilities without Capitals? The Establishment is at your service...
DeMundus The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:25:00 - [70] Originally by: Ivor Gunn As for their supposedly mythical sub-capital pvp skills? Well. I'm sure the 7 industrials and 2 T1 BS kills they've had this week are testaments to the sheer ferociousness of their abilities. Who are you and have I meet you at some point, whats all this hostility comming from you about? Love man, love! -or **** off. Abandon all hope But take care of teh cake!11 - Immy
Bashiri Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:26:00 - [71] So moms are the new carrier? 2 Years ago carriers was rare and now there like battleships now these days.
Alia's Shagadelic Stationhugging	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:33:00 - [72] Camping in lowsec with MS or several is like CTRL-Q'ing when you see Ibis.
Groox Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.16 20:46:00 - [73] Edited by: Groox on 16/10/2007 20:46:55 Originally by: Alia's Camping in lowsec with MS or several is like CTRL-Q'ing when you see Ibis. Indeed, sir! I can't belive all that whoo hoo go Est sentiment here in this thread. 1 mom in low sec was 'chikin' in low sec. I wonder what's the word for 4 mom gate camps in low sec.
jarack The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:11:00 - [74] Congrats to The Establishment on their massive amount of Mother ships a small corporation has built. Hera's loss obviously made you more determined to shock the EVE community as always. First Corp with a Mother Ship, Probably the most feared aswell. Ignore what people say about what you do with them, you've spent alot of ISK and time over this and you deserve to do whatever you want with them. Jealousy is probably a word i would use to name people *****ing about what you do with them. Good luck Establishment. Jar
Murukan Minmatar Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:20:00 - [75] Originally by: Groox Edited by: Groox on 16/10/2007 20:46:55 Originally by: Alia's Camping in lowsec with MS or several is like CTRL-Q'ing when you see Ibis. Indeed, sir! I can't belive all that whoo hoo go Est sentiment here in this thread. 1 mom in low sec was 'chikin' in low sec. I wonder what's the word for 4 mom gate camps in low sec. Shouldn't you be off losing space cause your alliance sucks at pvp? Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.10.16 23:38:00 - [76] Uh-uh a few people in this thread seem to be envious of EST's reputation. =o Btw the trick is to recruit Lataro and make him mine condensed veldpar =p - Gob Stealth bombers work!
Kriger x13	Posted - 2007.10.17 08:18:00 - [77] Originally by: Murukan Shouldn't you be off losing space cause your alliance sucks at pvp? aawwww have a cookie .:: Kriger's gfx Factory :: x13 ::.
Athena Rivera Minmatar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.10.17 13:22:00 - [78] Ah, nice to see EST back in action after a long period of being dormant. From the scattered remains of Hera brings more ships into the field. One Nyx that survived for more than a year proved that EST can really fight with just one mom. The real challenge here is fielding four motherships and also count in the support to go along with that group. I will surely be hearing of more chaos and carnage from this corp. Bring on the good times. :)
Prydeless Vengeance of the Fallen	Posted - 2007.10.17 18:41:00 - [79] Very nice accomplishment. Good luck to you and have fun! Disclaimer: I am a God.
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.18 13:37:00 - [80] Edited by: Baxalusx on 18/10/2007 13:37:12 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Uh-uh a few people in this thread seem to be envious of EST's reputation. =o Btw the trick is to recruit Lataro and make him mine condensed veldpar =p - Gob Yes, the envy coming from all us 0.0 guys is palpable. Are you serious? What you're reading is spite and contempt, not envy. --------- im ghey xD
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.18 14:17:00 - [81] Originally by: Baxalusx Edited by: Baxalusx on 18/10/2007 13:37:12 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Uh-uh a few people in this thread seem to be envious of EST's reputation. =o Btw the trick is to recruit Lataro and make him mine condensed veldpar =p - Gob Yes, the envy coming from all us 0.0 guys is palpable. Are you serious? What you're reading is spite and contempt, not envy. Your sig says all, you are in need of some serius man love!
Necronomicon Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.18 14:34:00 - [82] Good luck Est. Have fun with the new toys. Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.10.18 14:41:00 - [83] Edited by: Ange1 on 18/10/2007 14:42:06 Originally by: Baxalusx Are you serious? What you're reading is spite and contempt, not envy. Why though? Its not like we made a big fuss about this little super-cap fleet. There seems to be this perception from some that we must ban ourselves from ever using MS's in low-sec because its 'wrong' and because we do, we're worthy of alot of hate and contempt. Its not like we make a big deal about it. Do you see us starting threads like Tiller and GingerMagician did to say how much we pwn? Do we smack everyone in sight? Compared to many other pirate corps (and the goons), we are quite respectful and polite. We didn't even start this thread! And I think in all this fuss over Motherships, people seem to overlook that only a minority (20%) of all EST kills have had an MS involved. There seems to be this perception we will not fight without an MS, when in reality the vast majority (80%) of our kills are still done the old fashsioned way. I won't comment on whether that makes us 'good' or 'bad' PvP'ers (awaits the next smack post), you will have to decide that for yourselves. At the end of the day, we are Pirates. That we are pirates alone (MS or not) is enough for many to hate us and treat us with contempt I'm sure. We don't abide by the rules and morals of most 0.0 Alliances, we kill, we ransom, we gank and we fight... we do whatever the **** we like to whomever we like because thats how we enjoy the game . To those that do like us at least, I thank you for the kind messages The Establishment is at your service...
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.10.18 14:56:00 - [84] Originally by: Baxalusx Edited by: Baxalusx on 18/10/2007 13:37:12 Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Uh-uh a few people in this thread seem to be envious of EST's reputation. =o Btw the trick is to recruit Lataro and make him mine condensed veldpar =p - Gob Yes, the envy coming from all us 0.0 guys is palpable. Are you serious? What you're reading is spite and contempt, not envy. So are you trying to tell me Est has/has had no activity in 0.0? - Gob Stealth bombers work!
Forty Three Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.18 22:44:00 - [85] Awesome guys, good luck out there... oh and Seek, where the hell have you been? we should go for beers again sometime ----------------------------------------------- UNITY!!!
solarwinds The Nine Gates Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.19 01:13:00 - [86] I remember being in ISS trying to take down Hera on one or two occasions, EST knows how to use their goods. Hera is a legend in the game IMO. 4 times the pwnage, now that's going to be hot!
Lianlan Lou Caldari ISK Farmer and Sweatshop INC.	Posted - 2007.10.19 04:39:00 - [87] Originally by: Ivor Gunn Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 15/10/2007 19:08:41 What achievments? They were the first to get the risk-free solopwnmobile and they ***d it extensively. It's hardly an achievment. There's plenty of other PvP corps who did more damage with far less resources. And as for the whole "Are they lowsec camping cowards?" issue. You can decide for yourself. Check Hera's activity from the dictor bubble boost to its death. It engages a sizable 0.0 force only once, and died. Now, they're getting mad props for killing badgers and **tily fitted ravens at a ridiculously slow rate, in ships worth over 100b isk collectively. Hell, if you're still in doubt about their abilities with capital ships, just look at the numbers of them they've lost. They're pretty insane for what, by their own admission, is a very small pvp group. Bitter, Party of one. Your table is ready! Bitter. Party of one. signature goes here
Tbone Caldari Finite Horizon Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.10.20 00:43:00 - [88] Congrats my old brothers! ----------------------------------------------- http://http://synchr0nicity.griefwatch.net//Syn
papaPadla Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.20 02:03:00 - [89] Originally by: Ange1 Edited by: Ange1 on 15/10/2007 16:18:22 Originally by: Kieranda and they named their motherships Hera, Artemis, Athena and Aphrodite right? Hera, Freyja, Rhea and Dionysus. That is wrong... you can't have another Hera. Name the bunch after the 4 horseman of the apocalypse or sumthin like that... or just go with some other godesses and stuff... there's too many of them to just redo Hera. -------------------------------------
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.10.20 13:18:00 - [90] Originally by: papaPadla Originally by: Ange1 Edited by: Ange1 on 15/10/2007 16:18:22 Originally by: Kieranda and they named their motherships Hera, Artemis, Athena and Aphrodite right? Hera, Freyja, Rhea and Dionysus. That is wrong... you can't have another Hera. Name the bunch after the 4 horseman of the apocalypse or sumthin like that... or just go with some other godesses and stuff... there's too many of them to just redo Hera. Well her official name at launch was actualy Teleia. The rename to Hera was just more of an honour thing. But yea she wont be the same as the original
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:06:00 - [91] Originally by: Ange1 Edited by: Ange1 on 18/10/2007 14:42:06 Originally by: Baxalusx Are you serious? What you're reading is spite and contempt, not envy. Why though? Its not like we made a big fuss about this little super-cap fleet. There seems to be this perception from some that we must ban ourselves from ever using MS's in low-sec because its 'wrong' and because we do, we're worthy of alot of hate and contempt. Its not like we make a big deal about it. Do you see us starting threads like Tiller and GingerMagician did to say how much we pwn? Do we smack everyone in sight? Compared to many other pirate corps (and the goons), we are quite respectful and polite. We didn't even start this thread! And I think in all this fuss over Motherships, people seem to overlook that only a minority (20%) of all EST kills have had an MS involved. There seems to be this perception we will not fight without an MS, when in reality the vast majority (80%) of our kills are still done the old fashsioned way. I won't comment on whether that makes us 'good' or 'bad' PvP'ers (awaits the next smack post), you will have to decide that for yourselves. At the end of the day, we are Pirates. That we are pirates alone (MS or not) is enough for many to hate us and treat us with contempt I'm sure. We don't abide by the rules and morals of most 0.0 Alliances, we kill, we ransom, we gank and we fight... we do whatever the **** we like to whomever we like because thats how we enjoy the game . To those that do like us at least, I thank you for the kind messages You posted a God damned thread about your old stupid mothership getting killed. That makes you self important idiots right there. Your mothership wasn't important or special, it survived just as long as every other supercap: until Rev2. --------- im ghey xD
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.10.20 21:57:00 - [92] Originally by: Kieranda and they named their motherships Hera, Artemis, Athena and Aphrodite right? Say it ain't so. Those fairy names are just asking karma for a beatdown. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
ardik TunkbwahCorp	Posted - 2007.10.21 03:05:00 - [93] tl;dr est are just looking for easy kills, like everyone else, but get mad propz for it since they do it with honor, class and honour! \o/
Havoc G Quam Singulari	Posted - 2007.10.21 03:15:00 - [94] Love the EST guys.. good luck with your MoMs.
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2007.10.21 14:11:00 - [95] We are watching you.
cRazYf1St House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:21:00 - [96] lol if those ideas to change moms happen then having 4 moms is going to be gutting *********************************************** OMFG YARRRR!?!?!?!?!
Radioactive Babe Red Frost	Posted - 2007.10.21 21:58:00 - [97] 4 moms camping low-sec .... weak. I cant wait for the nerf.... And I hope they go even further with the nerfage specifically to discourage low sec moms. No they never blew me up you moron (<- for whichever fanboi decides to roll that old one out) Alas, poor risk vs reward, I knew you well
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2007.10.21 22:04:00 - [98] Originally by: Radioactive Babe No they never blew me up you moron (<- for whichever fanboi decides to roll that old one out) Oh yes they did.

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