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Joshua Mendle
Gallente
The Bewlay Bros. Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.15 08:45:00 -
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Seen alot of talk about graffix cards and Trinity and the nvidia 8000 series won't support it. I currently have an ATI RADEON« 9800 Pro, works perfect at the mo running eve. Can someone tell me if I need to upgrade.
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.15 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: mechtech on 15/10/2007 08:47:25
I think you need a shader model 3 card, so yes, you do have to upgrade to use the new engine.
You can always stay with the current engine though.
I'll edit my post if I find it to be otherwise.
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2007.10.15 08:53:00 -
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I'm still a bit confused whether the dx8 client will have the updated textures like the dx9 client (minus the sm3 shading effects) or whether it'll just be the same old Eve we have now, with ALL of the new content restricted to the dx9 client. it doesn't affect me since I have an Nvidia 8 series card, but my roommate has a 5 series Nvidia card(sm2 ftl;( ).
Any ideas?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.10.15 08:55:00 -
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everyone will be moving to the old client when they aren't playing solo missioning anyways :P
at least for a while, and then when computers are cheap the new graphics will be used by everyone.
Hell, if anything the new video only showing pretty eve will be able to make tons of people join eve.
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Orph
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Posted - 2007.10.15 09:07:00 -
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Nobody needs to upgrade.
If your PC is not the fastest thing out there. The Original Client will still work.
BUT.
The New Trinity Engine Version of EVE will be available.
Essentially 2 Clients.
1 Game.
All the same content on both.
No restrictions.
Just better graphics for the ones who decide to use the newer client.
Anyone crying about running multiple clients with the new graphics, if it lags, use the old client.
And those who have older cards like the OP, fear not, you can stick with the original engine.
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Ilvan
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Posted - 2007.10.15 09:08:00 -
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You do not need a SM3 card to use the new engine.
You do need a card with SM3 support to use the new graphical content, however.
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.15 09:12:00 -
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The best bit about this is that the new client will probably run smoother, thanks to sleeker coding and a better job all round.
The biggest FPS hog is the UI.
Izo Azlion.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2007.10.15 09:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Ilvan
You do not need a SM3 card to use the new engine.
You do need a card with SM3 support to use the new graphical content, however.
Correct. Rev3 will use an optimized engine even if you stick with DX8, so you'll see an improvement in performance either way.
The client basically stays the same, but running smoother. You then have the option to download the DX9 SM3 content as well, if you wish to do so and your computer supports it. You'll also be able to switch from DX8 to DX9 rendering (and vice-versa) at any time.
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Ilvan
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Posted - 2007.10.15 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
The best bit about this is that the new client will probably run smoother, thanks to sleeker coding and a better job all round.
The biggest FPS hog is the UI.
Indeed, I'll be happy just to have a UI that doesn't freeze for a second whenever something happens.
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Joshua Mendle
Gallente
The Bewlay Bros. Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.15 09:33:00 -
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So if I want shiny new ship models I will need to upgrade to an SM3 graffix card, otherwise I can still play with the old models and still have the improved performance and content?
I may cry myslef to sleep tonight
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.10.15 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Mendle
So if I want shiny new ship models I will need to upgrade to an SM3 graffix card, otherwise I can still play with the old models and still have the improved performance and content?
I may cry myself to sleep tonight
no no lol the performance will be in both.
like the dev said the classic client will have a 40mb download fore the new graphics engine. same old models, but new engine.
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Nicholas Barker
MASS
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.10.15 09:49:00 -
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nvidia geforce 7800 gt?
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2007.10.15 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker
nvidia geforce 7800 gt?
That one has SM3 support, if that's what you're asking.
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Joshua Mendle
Gallente
The Bewlay Bros. Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.15 10:00:00 -
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My head hurts
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Cornelius Murphy
Seven.
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2007.10.15 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Izo Azlion
The best bit about this is that the new client will probably run smoother, thanks to sleeker coding and a better job all round.
I know, I am a cynical old so and so, but that made me laugh.
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.15 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cornelius Murphy
Originally by: Izo Azlion
The best bit about this is that the new client will probably run smoother, thanks to sleeker coding and a better job all round.
I know, I am a cynical old so and so, but that made me laugh.
They must have learnt something in the last 4 or 5 years.
...surely?
Izo Azlion.
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Cornelius Murphy
Seven.
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2007.10.15 10:11:00 -
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Let us hope so!
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Nicholas Barker
MASS
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.10.15 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant
Originally by: Nicholas Barker
nvidia geforce 7800 gt?
That one has SM3 support, if that's what you're asking.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2007.10.15 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Mendle
My head hurts
It's quite easy to understand, actually. I'll try to make a more clear explanation.
Revelations 3 will include a mandatory engine upgrade. This new engine will have increased performance, not relying on CPU as much as the current one. The engine will render graphics in DX 8 (like the current engine) and occupy roughly 15-30 MB of space. If you can run EVE now, you will also be able to run the new engine.
Along with the engine, there will also be an OPTIONAL update that allows the new engine to render graphics in DX 9 SM3. You will need a video card capable of rendering Shader Model 3.0 in order to make use of this optional update, which will occupy roughly 600-900 MB of space.
Conclusion: You'll need a DX 9 SM3 card to have the new shiny graphics, but you'll have an increase in performance either way.
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Joshua Mendle
Gallente
The Bewlay Bros. Inc
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Posted - 2007.10.15 10:44:00 -
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Thankyou Tamia.
Off to ebay I go
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Major Stallion
Four Rings
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Posted - 2007.10.15 12:11:00 -
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quick....geforce 7600GT....SM3? no?
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2007.10.15 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Tamia Clant on 15/10/2007 12:40:16
Originally by: Major Stallion
quick....geforce 7600GT....SM3? no?
Yes, it also has SM3 support.
Don't people use Google anymore these days?
EDIT: Oh, and before anyone else asks, all GeForce 7 Series have SM3 support.
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Corbin Vega
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Posted - 2007.10.15 13:43:00 -
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Hmm, my card only has SM 2.0...can we still use the DX9 client with that but without all the high settings?
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2007.10.15 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Corbin Vega
Hmm, my card only has SM 2.0...can we still use the DX9 client with that but without all the high settings?
No.
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Sleepkevert
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.15 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Corbin Vega
Hmm, my card only has SM 2.0...can we still use the DX9 client with that but without all the high settings?
The new graphics engine IS the high setting, guess you'r stuck with the old engine
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Primnproper
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Posted - 2007.10.15 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sleepkevert
Originally by: Corbin Vega
Hmm, my card only has SM 2.0...can we still use the DX9 client with that but without all the high settings?
The new graphics engine IS the high setting, guess you'r stuck with the old engine
Wrong!!!!
They have said very clearly that everyone will upgrade to trinity 2, but there will be 2 different content packs, one with dx8 content (low poly models, much less flashyness, basically the same as the current one but faster) and the dx9 with sm3 (high poly models, flashy effects and general eye candy and still faster than the current engine).
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Mira Spellholde
Amarr
Griffin Inc.
Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.15 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Primnproper
Originally by: Sleepkevert
Originally by: Corbin Vega
Hmm, my card only has SM 2.0...can we still use the DX9 client with that but without all the high settings?
The new graphics engine IS the high setting, guess you'r stuck with the old engine
Wrong!!!!
They have said very clearly that everyone will upgrade to trinity 2, but there will be 2 different content packs, one with dx8 content (low poly models, much less flashyness, basically the same as the current one but faster) and the dx9 with sm3 (high poly models, flashy effects and general eye candy and still faster than the current engine).
Pretty much if your graphics card cant use SM3, you install the basic version - which is the current version but a tad faster. If your graphics card does support SM3 you'll get the option to install the newer flashy stuff.
Also, hurray for 8800 GTX. Supports the new engine and can make toast for you.
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Corbin Vega
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Posted - 2007.10.15 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Primnproper
Originally by: Sleepkevert
Originally by: Corbin Vega
Hmm, my card only has SM 2.0...can we still use the DX9 client with that but without all the high settings?
The new graphics engine IS the high setting, guess you'r stuck with the old engine
Wrong!!!!
They have said very clearly that everyone will upgrade to trinity 2, but there will be 2 different content packs, one with dx8 content (low poly models, much less flashyness, basically the same as the current one but faster) and the dx9 with sm3 (high poly models, flashy effects and general eye candy and still faster than the current engine).
Yeah i find it odd its not just a DX9 version anyway and then the better version for the SM 3 crew. DX9 has been the standard for years now=/ Funny i can play a game like Oblivion with SM 2.0 but not little old EVE...
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.10.15 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Mendle
ATI RADEON« 9800 Pro, works perfect at the mo running eve.
Your Radeon is OVER 9000!!?! 
Sorry...couldn't resist 
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Primnproper
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Posted - 2007.10.15 14:51:00 -
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I'm just gonna stick with my 6600gt for now I think
I should be able to look at the fnacy sm3 effects and go 'ooooo shiney!!!' and then turn the graphics back down so i can play the game in any sort of combat situation...
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Sadayiel
Caldari
Dragon Highlords
THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.10.15 14:52:00 -
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As far i'm aware both versions normal and shader 3.0 will come with new and improved textures for all ships.
the main difference is that the shader 3.0 will come with a hell lot of eye candy graphics capable to even throw more realism to ships.
if you check the screens for the new ships models they don't look so complex that you need one of the lastest cards to run. (my computer is amd 2900 with radeon 9600 pro) and i'm quite sure it can load with ease those new textures.
on the other hand if you watch the eve video about ambulatory in tentonhammer, you can see a whole more detailed ammar station, wich makes me think that's how the shader 3.0 graphics will be.
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Sadayiel
Caldari
Dragon Highlords
THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.10.15 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Primnproper
I'm just gonna stick with my 6600gt for now I think
I should be able to look at the fnacy sm3 effects and go 'ooooo shiney!!!' and then turn the graphics back down so i can play the game in any sort of combat situation...
my brother computer got that card also and yes it should be capable, to use the fully potential of the new engine.
i have 3 comps 1 for play 1 laptop for home and my brother one cuz i hate laptops, call me a freak 
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Sleepkevert
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.15 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sadayiel
As far i'm aware both versions normal and shader 3.0 will come with new and improved textures for all ships.
No no no no no... Old engine stays at it is, no new textures, no new lightning, just exactly the same as it is now... Oh and guess what, i do have a source:
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
To try and sort this out:
We currently have our client, this client you use every day and it will remain.
In the november expansion we will release Trinity II, a DX9 version of the client.
So we will have two clients at this point, the original and the Trinity II with DX9.
At some point in the future we will also release a DX10 version, but this is not the Trinity II expansion. 
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Sadayiel
Caldari
Dragon Highlords
THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.10.15 15:03:00 -
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well i know the dx8 will come with a new trinity engine, that's why i tought ccp may add some based new textures, offering an improvement from current ones.
anyway we just need to wait a bit more until the mistery resolves.
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Sleepkevert
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.15 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sadayiel
well i know the dx8 will come with a new trinity engine, that's why i tought ccp may add some based new textures, offering an improvement from current ones.
anyway we just need to wait a bit more until the mistery resolves.
Oh i'd love that to happen, but the dev post i quoted above claims the client won't change (just the new content aka new t2 ships etc.). On the other side, if your pc supports sm3, you can download net content etc, you will be able to download the new trinity engine, and hence get a performance increase...
Also, how do you KNOW that the dx8 engine will support the new trinity engine? Are you an Dev alt or something?
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CompMage
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.15 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Mendle...Trinity and the nvidia 8000 series won't support it...
Cheers[/quote
You seem to be mistaken.
The current nvidia 8XXX serise cards (8800GTS,GTX 8600GTS,GT, ETC) all support DX9 and will run the Trinity II DX9 client fine I'm sure. I would LOVE to know where you got the crazy idea a $600 top of the line card would not run a almost 5 year old version of Direct X 9c
Personally I can't wait till next year when the DX10 release comes out...
Cards I'm sticking too...... Long list but two of them are a pair of 8800GTS.
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Primnproper
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Posted - 2007.10.15 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Primnproper on 15/10/2007 15:22:05
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Sleepkevert
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.15 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Sleepkevert on 15/10/2007 15:25:48
Originally by: Primnproper
Edited by: Primnproper on 15/10/2007 15:22:05
Bah too late to gloat properly
Sorry  Kinda noticed my epic fail when i read the quote in the other thread (speaking of, why do we have 2 threads discussing exactly the same?). Liked your "CCP explorer hits CCP wrangler" joke tough 
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Saint Luka
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.15 15:28:00 -
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Can anyone give me any information regarding the Ati Saphire 512 X1950 Pro, will this be able too support the new engine?
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Primnproper
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Posted - 2007.10.15 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sleepkevert
Edited by: Sleepkevert on 15/10/2007 15:25:48
Originally by: Primnproper
Edited by: Primnproper on 15/10/2007 15:22:05
Bah too late to gloat properly
Sorry Kinda noticed my epic fail when i read the quote in the other thread (speaking of, why do we have 2 threads discussing exactly the same?). Liked your "CCP explorer hits CCP wrangler" joke tough
Well i couldn't let you get away with it in one thread once I've won in the other now could I
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Posted - 2007.10.15 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Luka
Can anyone give me any information regarding the Ati Saphire 512 X1950 Pro, will this be able too support the new engine?
Yes.
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Bluefix
Gnu Terror Corps
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Posted - 2007.10.15 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Mendle
Edited by: Joshua Mendle on 15/10/2007 14:47:59
If any, which graffix card are people going for, what's the popular vote?
8800GTS 320MB is very common if you want a good one for a reasonable price.
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keymaker
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.10.15 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Bluefix
Originally by: Joshua Mendle
Edited by: Joshua Mendle on 15/10/2007 14:47:59
If any, which graffix card are people going for, what's the popular vote?
8800GTS 320MB is very common if you want a good one for a reasonable price.
or add a few quid for the 8800gts Superclocked version
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Sleepkevert
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.15 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: keymaker
Originally by: Bluefix
Originally by: Joshua Mendle
Edited by: Joshua Mendle on 15/10/2007 14:47:59
If any, which graffix card are people going for, what's the popular vote?
8800GTS 320MB is very common if you want a good one for a reasonable price.
or add a few quid for the 8800gts Superclocked version
Oh great, factory overclocked cards... So you can send back the non working clocked cards 10x as a warrenty, and then after 10 months finaly get one good working one, and whine about EVE having graphic artifacts...
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