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Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:33:00 -
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What is it:
- 1v1 Assault Frigate duels officiated by 3rd party. Round robin elimination.
- Participants pay 1 mil ISK to the pot. The winner of the whole contest gets the whole pot.
- Anyone can join, but only Assault Frigates allowed.
How to join:
Post here you are interested with the character you will fight with. Do NOT post what AF you are bringing (why tell your competition?). Details will be made known through this thread.
Where will it be held:
High-sec using can mechanics in a random system not announced ahead of time.
Very difficult for 3rd parties to interfere if correctly done.
Needed:
Those interested/experienced in making EVE videos, contact me.
Your chance to make an exciting video of PVP duels.
Commentors for the semi-finals and finals. |
Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.01.24 15:50:00 -
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If Prom doesn't enter this after all that AF testing he's a big baby. |
Ivan Joukov
Soviet System
15
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:37:00 -
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1 only AF fit for the whole competition ?
-áDavai!
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Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:00:00 -
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Ivan Joukov wrote: 1 only AF fit for the whole competition ?
Good question.
You can change your FIT (modules, rigs, ammo, implants, boosters) between rounds if you like (if you make it through the first round).
However, you cannot change whatever AF HULL, eg. wolf, ishkur, hawk, vengeance etc. you choose at the start of the competition.
Before each fight, you can know what HULL you are fighting. eg. you will know you are fighting a jaguar, and the opponent knows you are using a retribution.
You can therefore prepare a suitable fit.
However, scanning of opponent's fit through scanning modules is not allowed. |
Khrage
77
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:04:00 -
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good luck pulling this off. keeping undesirables out will be, difficult. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
684
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:24:00 -
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Darthewok wrote:
High-sec using can mechanics in a random system not announced ahead of time.
Cool story I guess.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.24 21:48:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Darthewok wrote:
High-sec using can mechanics in a random system not announced ahead of time.
Cool story I guess. -Liang
Amended:
Where will it be held:
High-sec. It is quite possible to have a safe duel through fleeting up, going to a deserted system with no one else, create a mutually agreed bookmark together, then warp there.
I forgot, fleeting to duel is now just easier than using a can.
Anyway, safe duels are held all the time in high-sec. Fair duel arrangement is not exactly a rare occurrence.
There are standard measures that can be adopted. No reason it cannot be arranged safely.
Also, duels will be held at different times, not one mass event to avoid mass disruption, and we will learn from any issues arising from any duel to ensure they do not occur in the next.
Besides, we are talking about an AF and 1mil per contestant, not exactly an enormous risk. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
684
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Posted - 2012.01.24 21:54:00 -
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So what you're telling me is that if I want to participate I need to tank not only my enemy but also the faction police? ;-)
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:00:00 -
[9] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote:So what you're telling me is that if I want to participate I need to tank not only my enemy but also the faction police? ;-)
-Liang
If you are fleeted and attack each other, you get attacked by faction police? I'm a bit rusty on this. I do recall having participated in quite a few duels through fleeting in high-sec with no problems. Can't remember how it was arranged, test runs will be conducted beforehand to settle the procedure. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
684
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:03:00 -
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I'm -10. If I enter high sec I get attacked by the faction police.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Chief Cheeba
The Janjaweed
14
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:06:00 -
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fleet doesnt change roe in highsec...youll still have to use cans or something annoying to avoid concord |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
684
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:13:00 -
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Well **** it - I live in Amamake and I'm usually online from 05:00-06:00 to 10:00-11:00 Eve time. If you see me ask for an AF 1v1 and I'll be happy to oblige. :)
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:20:00 -
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Nice.
Anyway, for the contest, the duels for -10ers will be arranged in low-sec or wormholes. So no problem for flashy reds to join.
Extra precautions will be required, but it can be done. |
Axel Greye
Nova Ardour
48
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Posted - 2012.01.25 03:47:00 -
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Sure why not, count me in.
Axel Greye is the character I will be using.
As far as highsec aggro goes, best bet is:
1. both participants of the 1v1 drop a jetcan on station.
2. each participant steals from the opponents jetcan.
3. both participants warp to desired 'arena' and the fight begins on contact.
What about rules like de-aggression and module limitations?
If neither party can kill the other is it a draw?
If a participant warps out does he forfeit?
Is the use of ECM sanctioned and if so, is it limited to ECM drones or Racial Modular ECM?
Are ships limited to T1-T2 Modules or is the use of Faction and Deadspace Modules Permitted?
Is the use of Implants Sanctioned?
Also, rather than putting both parties in the same fleet (as it makes passing aggro a hassle), I would suggest putting each participant into their own fleet, with a neutral adjudicator to validate the fleet is unbonused. |
Axel Greye
Nova Ardour
48
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Posted - 2012.01.25 05:43:00 -
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Uppsy Daisy wrote:If Prom doesn't enter this after all that AF testing he's a big baby.
I hope he does, I owe him a second shot at killing me. =P |
Spineker
125
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Posted - 2012.01.25 05:49:00 -
[16] - Quote
If you are -10 you don't play? |
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.25 06:57:00 -
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Axel Greye wrote:
As far as highsec aggro goes, best bet is:
1. both participants of the 1v1 drop a jetcan on station.
2. each participant steals from the opponents jetcan.
3. both participants warp to desired 'arena' and the fight begins on contact.
Also, rather than putting both parties in the same fleet (as it makes passing aggro a hassle), I would suggest putting each participant into their own fleet, with a neutral adjudicator to validate the fleet is unbonused.
Sounds good!
Axel Greye wrote:
What about rules like de-aggression and module limitations?
If neither party can kill the other is it a draw?
If a participant warps out does he forfeit?
Is the use of ECM sanctioned and if so, is it limited to ECM drones or Racial Modular ECM?
Are ships limited to T1-T2 Modules or is the use of Faction and Deadspace Modules Permitted?
Is the use of Implants Sanctioned?
No module limitations, ECM mods/drones are allowed.
If neither party can kill the other, judge's decision is final after scanning both fits.
Any fit with under 80 dps damage (purely defensive fits with no offensive capability) forfeits.
If a participant warps out, he/she forfeits.
Faction/Deadspace modules, Implants, boosters and overheating are permitted but be aware if you die, your opponent can loot them.
I will not be competing for the sake of impartiality. Why do I want this competition?
You make your own fun in EVE, and you have to admit, this is an interesting challenge to arrange. |
Axel Greye
Nova Ardour
48
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Posted - 2012.01.25 08:11:00 -
[18] - Quote
Quote:If neither party can kill the other, judge's decision is final after scanning both fits.
Any fit with under 80 dps damage (purely defensive fits with no offensive capability) forfeits.
This in itself is fine, but then I suggest you revise the previous statement of:
Quote:No module limitations
The reason I say this is for example, a well tanked Vengeance tanks around 140-160 DPS. Lets assume for argument sake his opponent is a Railgun Ishkur Kiting beyond 20km with a MWD, The Railgun Ishkur will never break the vengeances cap stable tank, and the vengeance with its limited speed and rocket range will never catch the Ishkur to kill it. Both setups do more than 80dps as per the rules, but the match-up is Inconsequential as neither party will kill the other.
Might I make the suggestion of Banning MWD's for this tournament? This will encourage a nice scram-range style of combat from all assault frigates, but will still mean kiting is possible, but open to pilot error.
Also:
Quote:Faction/Deadspace modules, Implants, boosters I assume you mean combat boosters (pills) and not gang boosters. =P |
Axel Greye
Nova Ardour
48
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Posted - 2012.01.25 08:36:00 -
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Basically it comes down to whether you want a Rock paper Scissors style tournament, or a Format Tournament.
With Assault frigates, there are 3 varieties:
1. MWD + Disrupt
2. MWD + Scram
3. AB + Scram
MWD + Disrupt Will Kite setup number 3 with little worry, but risks getting caught and shut down by setup 2.
MWD + Scram Stands a good chance of catching setup 1, but is outperformed close range by setup 3.
AB + Scram beats setup 2 in scram range, but stands very little chance of catching setup 1.
Setting a Format like: AB Only may seem like a limitation, but it will cut back on Rock Paper Scissor style win conditions hugely, and thus offer a better tournament meta in my opinion. People CAN still try long range kiting by doing AB + Disrupt, but it atleast gives AB + Scram assault frigates a fighting chance of catching them. |
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.25 09:47:00 -
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Axel Greye wrote:Quote:If neither party can kill the other, judge's decision is final after scanning both fits.
Any fit with under 80 dps damage (purely defensive fits with no offensive capability) forfeits. This in itself is fine, but then I suggest you revise the previous statement of: Quote:No module limitations The reason I say this is for example, a well tanked Vengeance tanks around 140-160 DPS. Lets assume for argument sake his opponent is a Railgun Ishkur Kiting beyond 20km with a MWD, The Railgun Ishkur will never break the vengeances cap stable tank, and the vengeance with its limited speed and rocket range will never catch the Ishkur to kill it. Both setups do more than 80dps as per the rules, but the match-up is Inconsequential as neither party will kill the other. Might I make the suggestion of Banning MWD's for this tournament? This will encourage a nice scram-range style of combat from all assault frigates, but will still mean kiting is possible, but open to pilot error. Also: Quote:Faction/Deadspace modules, Implants, boosters I assume you mean combat boosters (pills) and not gang boosters. =P
How about both ships must do more than 120 dps (calculated via EFT without overheating, implants, boosters. Faction/T2 ammo OK).
Otherwise they are hitting weaker than interceptors!
That should reduce tanking ability?
Yea, combat boosters (pills), gang boosters bad.
I won't ban MWDs as MWDs are very much a part of the game and fitting rock-paper-scissors for AFs. |
Axel Greye
Nova Ardour
48
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Posted - 2012.01.25 10:39:00 -
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I think you are sidestepping the point abit. =P
yes MWD's are a part of the game, and conventional combat between AF's is very Rock Paper Scissor style, But that doesn't mean it has to be so for the tournament.
You have the chance to make a much more satisfying tournament meta by making a format in advance, otherwise the matchups are going to be won based on luck rather than skill.
its like putting a black-belt fighting midget and an Olympic sprinter on a track, only to tell them on the day that they will be jumping hurdles. Set a standard now, so that competitors can actually compete with each other.
as for the DPS/Tank ratio, I wouldn't set a minimum DPS requirement because that doesn't really solve the issue. A 200 DPS Brick tanking vengeance will still not be broken. Limiting fits to AB only however WILL reduce the chance of unbreakable matchups. Most close range assault frigs have the DPS/Neut ability to break most other assault frig tanks, and those that don't will lose to the tanking frigates damage output in respect.
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Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.25 13:38:00 -
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AF requirements:
-Max Active Tank 75 DPS
-Min Damage 125 DPS
-T1/ T2 mod/ammo only allowed. No faction, no officers, no deadspace mods/ammo
-Implants allowed, combat boosters allowed, overheating allowed
-MWDs allowed, but constantly running away instead of engaging will be considered a forfeit.
How about this. This should solve a few of the issues.
The difference between the min damage and max tank allowed should ensure both ships can break each others' tank.
The stipulation that the constantly running away = forfeit will ensure good effort to fight. |
Tian Nu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2012.01.25 13:45:00 -
[23] - Quote
count me in on this, if it hapens i will give you 1 mill before the fight start.
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Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.25 13:49:00 -
[24] - Quote
Tian Nu wrote:count me in on this, if it hapens i will give you 1 mill before the fight start.
Thanks. Acknowledged your entry. |
Axel Greye
Nova Ardour
48
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Posted - 2012.01.25 16:10:00 -
[25] - Quote
Nah, if you are going to put caps on DPS and Tank like that count me out. 
Essentially you are saying you will not dissallow MWD's, but you WILL Disallow any assault frigate with a good active tank. |
Axel Greye
Nova Ardour
48
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Posted - 2012.01.25 16:17:00 -
[26] - Quote
and I ASSUME that by running away you mean kiting. and if you are going to ban kiting WHY NOT JUST BAN MWDS? |
Lynkon Lawg
Second Six Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.25 16:26:00 -
[27] - Quote
Lynkon Lawg would like to enter. |
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.25 16:28:00 -
[28] - Quote
Lynkon Lawg wrote:Lynkon Lawg would like to enter.
Thank you. Acknowledged your entry. |
Khrage
89
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Posted - 2012.01.25 17:56:00 -
[29] - Quote
drugs are part of the game, implants are part of the game. faction and dead space mods/ammo are part of the game. dead space stuff is really common on good frigates too. these extra rules you're slapping on are horrible. just have it straight 1v1 with no fleet boosting anything allowed. have a long-ish time limit and so if neither player dies, it's considered a tie or loss. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
687
|
Posted - 2012.01.25 18:27:00 -
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Darthewok wrote:AF requirements:
-Max Active Tank 75 DPS
-Min Damage 125 DPS
-T1/ T2 mod/ammo only allowed. No faction, no officers, no deadspace mods/ammo
-Implants allowed, combat boosters allowed, overheating allowed
-MWDs allowed, but constantly running away instead of engaging will be considered a forfeit.
How about this. This should solve a few of the issues.
The difference between the min damage and max tank allowed should ensure both ships can break each others' tank.
The stipulation that the constantly running away = forfeit will ensure good effort to fight.
So basically you can't even bring a Harpy to the fight. Cool.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
38
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Posted - 2012.01.25 18:28:00 -
[31] - Quote
The active tank limitation is pointless, as it rules out a perfectly valid tactic in duels.
Ofc there are tanks in the game that are very had to break. Yes, the Vengeance is hard, so is Hawk or Harpy - other active tanked hulls can also be a huge pain if you cannot exploit resist holes.
BUT - some ASs are gankers, some ASs are tankers. Why are rules limiting the latter only?
Should we play only with dual web neutron Ishkurs then?
Never heard of such limitations tbh.
- "Up to meta 5" modules is a fair request due to cost.
- No warp out or you forfeit is a common rule.
- No ECM cause we want to see fights is also debatable, yet valid (personally I hate ECM, unless you are fighting vastly outnumbered and the fags bring logis and carriers on-top of that - tho when that happens to me, they have more than a few recons also, so a ECM ship would do nothing)
- Range of initiating engagement: that's also a big factor - ofc if you start @ zero range, fitting for long-point kitting is too risky, while if you have any of the slow, armor tanked ASs and you start @ 30km, you have a certain disadvantage if you wanna brawl.
- Do you loot the opponents wreck?
.
All in all...the rules as they are kinda suck. You technically limit playstyles to "all-out-speed-gank" setups or you completely remove the reason to fly half of the ASs out there.
Weak tanks have no reason to exist. Strong tanks on the other hand are forcing people to fit close range, high dmg, make web count more, make neuts have a valid reason to exist (and NOS or cap boosters for the tankers) etc etc.
This way the long-range fast tackler is not a sure win, just like proper ammo types on proper hulls with proper guns and proper o/h timing can break most ASs tanks - at least if not ultra-pimped, with implants and pills etc. Add a neut if you don't need the cap as much as your opponent and the game changes again...
65dps this and 75that...wtf...is this a T2 rifter tournament?
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
-- Bertrand Russell |
Axel Greye
Nova Ardour
48
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:49:00 -
[32] - Quote
I still say a blanket ban on MWD's solves alot of if not all issues. |
Axel Greye
Nova Ardour
48
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Posted - 2012.01.25 20:40:00 -
[33] - Quote
so I propose:
Ban on MWD
Ban on ECM
No Restriction on DPS applied or DPS Tanked
No Restriction on Ammo
No Restriction on Modules
No Restriction on Boosters
No Restriction on Implants
this gives competitors a pretty good format for basing their fits on. |
Khrage
89
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Posted - 2012.01.25 23:12:00 -
[34] - Quote
Axel Greye wrote:I still say a blanket ban on MWD's solves alot of if not all issues.
it's funny, esspecially since the recent buff, MWD fit AFs are the most viable in actual combat situations... |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
689
|
Posted - 2012.01.25 23:15:00 -
[35] - Quote
Khrage wrote:Axel Greye wrote:I still say a blanket ban on MWD's solves alot of if not all issues. it's funny, esspecially since the recent buff, MWD fit AFs are the most viable in actual combat situations...
lolno
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Axel Greye
Nova Ardour
48
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Posted - 2012.01.25 23:44:00 -
[36] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote:Khrage wrote:Axel Greye wrote:I still say a blanket ban on MWD's solves alot of if not all issues. it's funny, esspecially since the recent buff, MWD fit AFs are the most viable in actual combat situations... lolno
I think he misinterpreted the 'role bonus' of that buff.  |
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:43:00 -
[37] - Quote
If there is no max active tank limitation, how do you avoid endless draws when people bring uber tanks on both sides and are unable to break each other's tank?
If there was no max tank then everybody would simply bring tankmobiles as there is no risk of dying.
Actually, this contest is already bringing up interesting discussion on AF fits and strategies!
Does this mean the new trend for AFs is ubertanking? |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
692
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:10:00 -
[38] - Quote
The trend for arranged 1v1s always tends to large active tanks.
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:50:00 -
[39] - Quote
you could time the match it ends after five min if both still alive its a draw or who has more hp left wins... that way liang can blue pill his harpy... and axel can duel corpi c type tank his vengence... |
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.26 08:24:00 -
[40] - Quote
Some exhibition matches can be arranged with no limitations on fit.
There would then be no issue of no clear winner.
But for AF Cup, as Aunty Entity said in Thunderdome, 2 frigs enter, 1 frig leave.
Clean eliminations are necessary to resolve the Round Robin.
That won't happen with pure tankers. |
Matthias Duran
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.01.26 23:42:00 -
[41] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote:Darthewok wrote:AF requirements:
-Max Active Tank 75 DPS
-Min Damage 125 DPS
-T1/ T2 mod/ammo only allowed. No faction, no officers, no deadspace mods/ammo
-Implants allowed, combat boosters allowed, overheating allowed
-MWDs allowed, but constantly running away instead of engaging will be considered a forfeit.
How about this. This should solve a few of the issues.
The difference between the min damage and max tank allowed should ensure both ships can break each others' tank.
The stipulation that the constantly running away = forfeit will ensure good effort to fight. So basically you can't even bring a Harpy to the fight. Cool. -Liang
Yes, OP is apparently unaware that there exists a perfectly viable Harpy fit that has almost 100 dps passive tank before implants and overheat, that still fulfills all of the other requirements. |
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.27 06:06:00 -
[42] - Quote
Interesting. Harpy is very nice then.
OK how about no DPS and Tank limitations. Draws are settled by coin flip?
Only Tech 1/2 mods/rigs though, no faction/pirate/officer mods/rigs. |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
49
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Posted - 2012.01.27 10:55:00 -
[43] - Quote
Sooo.... i pay 1mill and get free agression and a bookmark to a faction fit AF? mmm nom nom nom anyone in a corp could abuse this...
edit: Ahh so no Faction stuff
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Nulla Curas |
Khrage
90
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Posted - 2012.01.27 15:21:00 -
[44] - Quote
Darthewok wrote:Interesting. Harpy is very nice then.
OK how about no DPS and Tank limitations. Draws are settled by coin flip?
Only Tech 1/2 mods/rigs though, no faction/pirate/officer mods/rigs.
you going to be ship scanning every ship before each fight? this is SUCH a process... it's not even worth it... |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
704
|
Posted - 2012.01.27 18:38:00 -
[45] - Quote
Frankly, I think that the fights should happen in Amamake at a planet or safe spot. Just bring your AFs and come rumble. Even if this doesn't take off, I'll be there.
Waiting.
Killing.
:)
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Axel Greye
Nova Ardour
48
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Posted - 2012.01.28 11:22:00 -
[46] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote:Frankly, I think that the fights should happen in Amamake at a planet or safe spot. Just bring your AFs and come rumble. Even if this doesn't take off, I'll be there.
Waiting.
Killing.
:)
-Liang
Pfft I went to amamake last night and still the same faggetree
My hawk gets tackled in belt by kiting malediction, coercer and retribution land.
...and when the coercer and retribution couldn't break me the retribution has to go back to station to swap into an ashimmu. D:<
BOO ON YOU SIR. |
Kingwood
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
50
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Posted - 2012.01.28 17:41:00 -
[47] - Quote
Tournament with arbitrary restrictions invalidating tanky AFs.
Kiting not allowed because it's considered "running away".
You'll see a lot of Enyos + Ishkurs, gonna be a very exciting tourney.
Good luck tho.
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Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.28 17:51:00 -
[48] - Quote
Brainwave! Let's do it this way:
Qualifier matches will be held on SISI on 2-3 different dates and times. These will be open contests, anyone who turns up at those times and wants to join can enter.
They will battle for the prestige of entering the final 8 to participate in the quarterfinals, semifinals and finals on TQ.
This will achieve 3 things:
1) Open up entry ease and accessibility to many, as there is no more any real ship cost.
2) Cut safety concerns to virtually nothing.
3) Have its own thrill in that people are competing to be in the Final 8 to fight on TQ! Being in the final 8 will have its own prestige and give a sense of achievement.
Top 8 winners will then compete on TQ, for the eventual winner.
No restrictions on DPS, tank but no faction/officer mods.
This format would have a balance of wide and accessible entry with no risk for the early rounds,
combined with prestige, exclusivity and actual concerns of actual ship loss on TQ for the final rounds. |
Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints
Assassin Confederacy
18
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Posted - 2012.01.28 18:23:00 -
[49] - Quote
Toon in NPC corp?
One like on forums?
Making the rules up as you go for this?
Looks like a scam is very likely on this.
Free 100mil for a forum thread yay! |
Axel Greye
Nova Ardour
48
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Posted - 2012.01.28 21:07:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:Toon in NPC corp?
One like on forums?
Making the rules up as you go for this?
Looks like a scam is very likely on this.
Free 100mil for a forum thread yay!
Yeh it all started out well enough, but its been going downhill ever since. |
Ahrieman
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
18
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Posted - 2012.01.28 21:16:00 -
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Is this thread an announcement/sign-up thread or a brainstorming thread?
I scam on my main |
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.28 23:11:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:Toon in NPC corp?
One like on forums?
Making the rules up as you go for this?
Looks like a scam is very likely on this.
Free 100mil for a forum thread yay!
Toon in NPC corp because I like only solo PVP and I mean REAL solo PVP.
No allies, no blues, no gang boosts, no scouts, no dual boxing.
This is a 2006 character, my main, so not exactly some kind of alt.
One like because I haven't played for a year and only just came back to the game and forums with the 24 Jan AF patch.
Attracted by the AF buff, hoping it will cause resurgence in frig PVP activity, which is my whole reason for playing.
Making up the rules as I go along because this has never been done before.
Where exactly can rules be copied if it is a new development? They have to be made up from scratch.
Let's see, the starting rounds will all be on SISI and therefore have zero ISK risk.
Only 8 frigs will actually be fighting on TQ, the fittings only T1/T2 so the max loss is quite low.
The finals will mostly be in high-sec.
Sign-ups are accepted in this thread, then participants will be informed when their duel is going to be on SISI. |
Kitsu Shadow
NOMAD.
RISE of LEGION
2
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Posted - 2012.01.31 10:23:00 -
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Sign up on this thread by 18 Feb. Do NOT post what AF you are bringing.
I will inform you in this thread when to turn up on SISI on 21-22 Feb for your matches.
I wish to Sign Up for this event.
Is there any other information that you require? |
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.31 10:28:00 -
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Kitsu Shadow wrote:Sign up on this thread by 18 Feb. Do NOT post what AF you are bringing.
I will inform you in this thread when to turn up on SISI on 21-22 Feb for your matches.
I wish to Sign Up for this event.
Is there any other information that you require?
Thank you, your entry to the contest is acknowledged. No other information required at present, thanks. |
Tsubutai
The Tuskers
57
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Posted - 2012.01.31 11:04:00 -
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While I agree that things like perma-mwding nano kestrels make for boring frigate tournaments, simply saying "no kiting" or "no MWDs" (lol?) is equally daft. The best way to handle it, imo, is to have an arena that shrinks progressively as the fight proceeds - say both contestants have to start within 30 km of a marker (which could be a referee in a damnation or something) and have the radius of the arena shrink by 5-10 km every minute, stopping at around 5 km. That way, if someone wants to bring a kiting setup that is at least somewhat realistic, they can, but they can't just plink away forever and bore everyone to death. |
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.31 14:49:00 -
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Tsubutai wrote:While I agree that things like perma-mwding nano kestrels make for boring frigate tournaments, simply saying "no kiting" or "no MWDs" (lol?) is equally daft. The best way to handle it, imo, is to have an arena that shrinks progressively as the fight proceeds - say both contestants have to start within 30 km of a marker (which could be a referee in a damnation or something) and have the radius of the arena shrink by 5-10 km every minute, stopping at around 5 km. That way, if someone wants to bring a kiting setup that is at least somewhat realistic, they can, but they can't just plink away forever and bore everyone to death.
That is an interesting idea. I like elements of it, but would modify it as follows for easier implementation:
- At the start of the fight, both parties can warp to the location of the fight at whatever range they choose between 0-100km.
- If neither party is able to damage each other or break each other's tank by 5 minutes, both parties will warp out then warp back in at 0m.
- If this second time, there is still no result by 5 minutes, then the fight is decided by 50/50 "coin flip".
What do you guys think? Would this work?
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Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
315
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:51:00 -
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F**k highsec. What a boring place to be.
Heretic Army CEO
Host of Frigfry Fridays
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Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
315
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:52:00 -
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But I do like the assault frig competition idea.
+1 for that.
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:49:00 -
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First off...since warping out is considered a forfeit, is it necessary to have the frigs fit a warp jammer?
Now...if you want this to work, you can't be making up arbitrary rules. Give them each a warp in, set a time limit if you must (5-10 minutes), and let them have at it. Anything past that, and you're going to be making things too complicated. Nobody is going to be thinking "ok...in another 5 seconds I have to be within 10km of him", and enforcing that would be a pain.
A way to get around the issue of a stalemate would be to use a point system. (for example, a win gives two points, a loss gives none, and a stalemate gives one to each pilot.) |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
730
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:52:00 -
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:First off...since warping out is considered a forfeit, is it necessary to have the frigs fit a warp jammer?
Now...if you want this to work, you can't be making up arbitrary rules. Give them each a warp in, set a time limit if you must (5-10 minutes), and let them have at it. Anything past that, and you're going to be making things too complicated. Nobody is going to be thinking "ok...in another 5 seconds I have to be within 10km of him", and enforcing that would be a pain.
A way to get around the issue of a stalemate would be to use a point system. (for example, a win gives two points, a loss gives none, and a stalemate gives one to each pilot.)
Just to give you an idea of how much time it can take when two "counter" AFs fight: it took me ~13 minutes to kill a dual rep Ishkur with perfect resists to counter my Blarpy. I literally ran him out of cap boosters before he went down. -_-
-Liang
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Ahrieman
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
26
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:55:00 -
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How about no hardeners, reppers, shield boosters, shield extenders, armor plates, or damage controls? I think this will yield the fights you are looking for
EDIT: I apologize for forgetting to suggest prohibiting shield extenders and armor plates.
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Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.02.01 03:58:00 -
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:First off...since warping out is considered a forfeit, is it necessary to have the frigs fit a warp jammer?
Now...if you want this to work, you can't be making up arbitrary rules. Give them each a warp in, set a time limit if you must (5-10 minutes), and let them have at it. Anything past that, and you're going to be making things too complicated. Nobody is going to be thinking "ok...in another 5 seconds I have to be within 10km of him", and enforcing that would be a pain.
A way to get around the issue of a stalemate would be to use a point system. (for example, a win gives two points, a loss gives none, and a stalemate gives one to each pilot.)
Brilliant idea and many good insights. The point system can solve lack of elimination from stalemates. +1 like
1) Frigs must fit a warp disruptor or warp scrambler.
2) Both frigs get a warp in (they can warp in at any distance 0-100km of the warp in) and 8 minutes to resolve the match.
3) Warping out is forfeiting.
4) Point system: a win gives 2 points, stalemate gives 1, loss is elimination. Matches can be resolved that way.
5) No dps or active tank specifications. Just only T1/T2 mods/ammo and T1 rigs because
-some truly undefeatable fits can be created with officer/deadspace/faction mods.
-we don't want risk of ridiculously expensive losses.
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Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.02.01 15:10:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:
Just to give you an idea of how much time it can take when two "counter" AFs fight: it took me ~13 minutes to kill a dual rep Ishkur with perfect resists to counter my Blarpy. I literally ran him out of cap boosters before he went down. -_-
Fight duration increased to 15 minutes in response to Liang's excellent point that a battle between 2 active tankers could come down to cap booster depletion!
Fight rules now posted in original post, as well as the stipulation that a warp disruptor/warp scrambler must be fitted.
FIGHT RULES
1) Both frigs get a warp in (they can warp in at any distance 0-100km of the warp in) and 15 minutes to resolve the match.
2) They must fleet together to avoid gang boosters.
3) Warping out is forfeiting.
4) Point system: a win gives 2 points, stalemate gives 1, loss is elimination. Matches can be resolved that way.
Here is an interesting thought:
For the final 8, maybe contestants should not be informed beforehand which of the 8 they are fighting, to avoid obvious counter-fits!
Counter-fit vs counter-fit could end up in really distorted AF fits totally unlike regular fits (for example 3 resist mods of the same type) and long matches.
What do you think of this method?
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Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate
EVE Animal Control
20
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Posted - 2012.02.03 21:47:00 -
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I'm not hatin but count me out of this one. Let me know how it goes, figure out the aggro mechanics, then probably count me in for the second one :) Glad to see someone trying to organize something like this, sounds like fun. Good luck to u |
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.02.04 03:50:00 -
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Changing the whole event away from a contest to a big AF bash on SISI on 26 Feb Sun.
Times to be announced.
Get ready your AFs, solo duel, gang fight, unfair fights, fair fights, I don't care.
The goal is: Fun.
Forget the elimination to final 8 on TQ.
Sounds like work to arrange it, and when EVE becomes too much work not play, not interested.
The goal is to get more people involved in frig combat and a big AF bash on SISI would accomplish that.
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Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
317
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Posted - 2012.02.08 07:57:00 -
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Fraps it so I can watch...
Because ya know... highsec. 
Heretic Army CEO
Host of Frigfry Fridays
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