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Ticarus Hellbrandt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:49:00 -
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The wowification of eve has begun.
new names are dumb and irritating.
why does everyone use an 'experimental' mwd?
whats a limited afterburner ?
the whole thing adds to the corrosion of the eve immersion and dare i say it... roleplay. |
Rhondas
Crims0n Bl00d RaVeN Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:50:00 -
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so much trauma in this patch... |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:51:00 -
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Razin wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I am not CCP, nor do I work for them (as much as I'd like to).
Not surprised you found it hard to tell I was speaking to CCP. You quoted me, and were responding to my post, so it logically follows you were speaking to me.
Razin wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:I have never seen anyone refer to the meta modules by name.
I have. That's good for you. You know some people who like to hear themselves say big words and feel good about it. |
Baljos Arnjak
Dark Praetorian Order
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:55:00 -
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It's a resounding triple NO for me.
For the AB/MWD, they could have just added Afterburner or MicroWarpdrive and that would have made things clear enough. Some of them already had that anyway.
The missile change was terrible all around. Try doing a market search for "Mjolnir" now, you'll get like 50 entries that you have to sort through now Instead of 4 (regular torp, high-damage torp, longer range torp, and the T1 blueprint) under the old naming convention. Besides, I always used the icons to tell what damage type the missile was, blue for EM, red for Therm, yellow for Exp, black for kinetic. Wasn't that flippin' hard. |
Captain Alcatraz
Douchingtons Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:57:00 -
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Triple no, old names sounded much more sci-fi-ish, now they sound like streamlined game items |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:57:00 -
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Ion Rubix wrote:"If I fit 'Catalyzed Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters' I get an extra 13% out of my engines!" - Noob Rubix said many moons ago.
So? Todays noob will say "If I fit an 'Experimental 1MN Microwarpdrive' I wil get an extra 13% out of my engines!"
At least this name indicates that we are in fact talking about a MWD |
tikktokk tokkzikk
Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:58:00 -
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Personally, no. I am used to quickly type y-t8, cold-gas, and bane torpedo into the market. I do however think we will get used to it and it will be less confusing for new players, which is a good thing.
Edit: I'd also like to support what some guy said above, missile searching is much harder now! |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:58:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Razin wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I am not CCP, nor do I work for them (as much as I'd like to).
Not surprised you found it hard to tell I was speaking to CCP. You quoted me, and were responding to my post, so it logically follows you were speaking to me. I quoted you as a typical misguided supporter of this change to demonstrate the point to CCP, as was evidenced by the content of my post. Clearly your 'logic' failed you. |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:00:00 -
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Baljos Arnjak wrote: The missile change was terrible all around. Try doing a market search for "Mjolnir" now, you'll get like 50 entries that you have to sort through now Instead of 4 (regular torp, high-damage torp, longer range torp, and the T1 blueprint) under the old naming convention. Besides, I always used the icons to tell what damage type the missile was, blue for EM, red for Therm, yellow for Exp, black for kinetic. Wasn't that flippin' hard.
It's not hard. Just add an extra letter or two to the search: mjolnir t mjolnir cr mjolnir ci mjolnir h mjolnir a mjolnir r mjolnir l
edit: mjolnir rage mjolnir fury mjolnir prec mjolnir jav
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:04:00 -
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Razin wrote: I quoted you as a typical misguided supporter of this change to demonstrate the point to CCP, as was evidenced by the content of my post. Clearly your 'logic' failed you.
Or maybe we're just using different forum etiquette guidelines and there's no need for insult hurling.
No, that can't be right, this is the Eve forums. |
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Aphoxema G
Teraa Matar
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:06:00 -
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I think it would have been a little less... destabilizing to just prepend the existing names with something like "(1mn)" or "(EM)" and still equally identifying to all but the killmail parsers that would have to be updated for the changes. Change "Tracking Disruptors" to "Weapon Disruptors" (to include missiles) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=61502 |
Aphoxema G
Teraa Matar
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:08:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:I think it would have been a little less... destabilizing to just prepend the existing names with something like "(1mn)" or "(EM)" and still equally identifying to all but the killmail parsers that would have to be updated for the changes.
Or even just putting the icon for the damage type next to the actual name of the missiles, since they all only use one anyways. Change "Tracking Disruptors" to "Weapon Disruptors" (to include missiles) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=61502 |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
214
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:11:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Razin wrote: I quoted you as a typical misguided supporter of this change to demonstrate the point to CCP, as was evidenced by the content of my post. Clearly your 'logic' failed you.
Or maybe we're just using different forum etiquette guidelines and there's no need for insult hurling. No, that can't be right, this is the Eve forums. I agree I was a bit forceful. Just that this change really struck me as offensively unnecessary and ill thought out, when it could have been everything for everyone. Brought back the feeling of the Incarna fiasco and all that came with it. |
Cryten Jones
Advantage Inc The Matari Consortium
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:12:00 -
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Captain Alcatraz wrote:Triple no, old names sounded much more sci-fi-ish, now they sound like streamlined game items
+1 from me on that mate, much rather have to *shock* read the stats and learn the world I live in. The old names had the feeling that some dude had come up with a product name to sell to the universe !
-CJ
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Dirk Magnum
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:13:00 -
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How you can "simpify" the names of speed mods and missiles but not laser turrets is a little mystifying. Regardless, speed mod change was unneccessary, missile change is awful. "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB |
Baljos Arnjak
Dark Praetorian Order
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:13:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote: It's not hard. Just add an extra letter or two to the search: mjolnir t mjolnir cr mjolnir ci mjolnir h mjolnir a mjolnir r mjolnir l
edit: mjolnir rage mjolnir fury mjolnir prec mjolnir jav
True, but the point remains that you either have to type more or search through more results in order to find what you're looking for. I know it's more nitpicking than anything else, but it seems to me that this change takes away from immersion more than it adds to new player's experience or understanding of game mechanics.
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Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:17:00 -
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Ticarus Hellbrandt wrote:whats a limited afterburner ?
Eating one Haba+¦ero pepper.
Eating the whole jar = experimental afterburner. Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
Baljos Arnjak
Dark Praetorian Order
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:19:00 -
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Palovana wrote:Ticarus Hellbrandt wrote:whats a limited afterburner ? Eating one Haba+¦ero pepper. Eating the whole jar = experimental afterburner.
+1 for that, you damn near made me spit grape juice out my nose.
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:19:00 -
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Baljos Arnjak wrote: but it seems to me that this change takes away from immersion more than it adds to new player's experience or understanding of game mechanics.
In case you missed it. CCP intends to rename everything according to a new simplified naming convention. Mods. Ammo. Implants. The lot.
If this isnt gonna help new players getting into the game more easily - and yes - use time on game mechanics rather than learning completely random names - I dont know what will. |
Taipion
Operations Control United Pod Service
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:20:00 -
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Ticarus Hellbrandt wrote:The wowification of eve has begun.
new names are dumb and irritating.
why does everyone use an 'experimental' mwd?
whats a limited afterburner ?
the whole thing adds to the corrosion of the eve immersion and dare i say it... roleplay.
This, is actually a very good point! Just the word I was looking for.
It breaks immersion, for old and new players alike, I dont know how You or CCP think bout it, but in my last lecture it says: You need to avoid breaking immersion to make a good game.
Maybe CCP did not learn their part (?)... oh well... never mind |
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:27:00 -
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Baljos Arnjak wrote: True, but the point remains that you either have to type more
That is simply not true, sir. For the majority of missiles, the number of keystrokes remains at parity or is reduced.
mjolnir <- thunderbolt, gremlin, sabretooth, torrent, paradise, inferno <- widowmaker, firefox, flameburst, hellfire, cataclysm trauma <- scourge, thorn, bloodclaw, terror, wrath, juggernaut nova <- havoc, phalanx, piranha, fulmination, devastator, bane
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
266
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:27:00 -
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Ticarus Hellbrandt wrote:The wowification of eve has begun.
Yes. lets scream WOW for every change CCP is doing to lessen the learning cliff of EVE. After all, you managed to learn these names. so why cant those wortless noobs do it. Better to kick them back to WOW so we can have EVE for ourselves. |
BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:28:00 -
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"Dev Blog (src: http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp?newpatchlogID=3382 ) " wrote:Ammunition:
- All EM missiles will now have the name GÇÿMjolnirGÇÖ.
- All Thermal missiles will now have the name GÇÿInfernoGÇÖ.
- All Kinetic missiles will now have the name GÇÿTraumaGÇÖ.
- All Explosive missiles will now have the name GÇÿNovaGÇÖ.
CCP your ~brilliance escapes me.. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:32:00 -
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Ticarus Hellbrandt wrote:The wowification of eve has begun.
enlighten us about the consistent naming scheme of items in WoW
(oh wait, wow doesn't have a consistent naming scheme on anything but green items with random stats) |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
333
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:32:00 -
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Razin wrote: I agree I was a bit forceful. Just that this change really struck me as offensively unnecessary and ill thought out, when it could have been everything for everyone. Brought back the feeling of the Incarna fiasco and all that came with it.
It's chill. I can sort of see where you are coming from, and it's more reasonable than just the people going "wah, I want my catalyzed cold-gas arcjet thrusters back". I agree that it's not a 100% perfect solution, but it demonstrates CCP is willing to do something about weird/confusing naming, and searching difficulties.
As it stands now, if you search for "1MN Afterburner" you only get the meta 0 and 5 modules. I would definitely oppose this change to the names if searching the market for "1MN Afterburner" brought up "Cold-gas Arcjet Thrusters" in addition to the other two mods. CCP appear to be moving in that direction (assets search), and I do hope they use more interesting names when they reach the point where metadata search is ubiquitous, but as a midterm solution I am okay with the naming changes. |
Baljos Arnjak
Dark Praetorian Order
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:38:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:Baljos Arnjak wrote: but it seems to me that this change takes away from immersion more than it adds to new player's experience or understanding of game mechanics.
In case you missed it. CCP intends to rename everything according to a new simplified naming convention. Mods. Ammo. Implants. The lot. If this isnt gonna help new players getting into the game more easily - and yes - use time on game mechanics rather than learning completely random names - I dont know what will.
I did miss that, thanks for pointing it out. Not that I'm happy about it.
I think you underestimate the value of names though. Learning the nomenclature of a game is part of learning how to play the game. I used to create little euphemisms for certain things so that I'd remember them. For example, Mjolnir, market search "Mjo", like Mojo, blue torpedo = EM damage. Never forgot it. It helped me connect to the game in a small and practical way, and building up those small connections cumulates into a larger connection with the game. And that's going to be out of whack for me until I get used to the new system. |
Traiori
Silverwing Explorers Unfamiliar Presence
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:43:00 -
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So to clarify:
- All Caldari pilots now spend about 10 times longer trying to find which missile it is that they actually wanted to buy. - Caldari pilots will now buy more of the wrong missiles, because it's so darn confusing
Who decided that renaming modules was a good idea, and why are they still working for CCP? |
Black Dranzer
134
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:48:00 -
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Yes, Yes, No.
It wasn't necessary, but it was useful. Sometimes I just want to tell at a glance how powerful or valuable a particular item is. Instead, I get a Hypoflux Capacitation Expansoid Interface System or some crap like that. That is not good for readability.
Change is not inherently bad. I welcome similar changes for ALL modules. |
Baljos Arnjak
Dark Praetorian Order
11
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:48:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Baljos Arnjak wrote: True, but the point remains that you either have to type more
That is simply not true, sir. For the majority of missiles, the number of keystrokes remains at parity or is reduced. mjolnir <- thunderbolt, gremlin, sabretooth, torrent, paradise, inferno <- widowmaker, firefox, flameburst, hellfire, cataclysm trauma <- scourge, thorn, bloodclaw, terror, wrath, juggernaut nova <- havoc, phalanx, piranha, fulmination, devastator, bane
{sarcasm} Add in those extra letters you were telling me about! And No FAIR! and WAH! *Stomps off* {/sarcasm}
lol |
Ticarus Hellbrandt
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:48:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:Ticarus Hellbrandt wrote:The wowification of eve has begun.
enlighten us about the consistent naming scheme of items in WoW (oh wait, wow doesn't have a consistent naming scheme on anything but green items with random stats)
Wowification meaning, simplification of an online game as to appeal to such a wide and casual audience that any substancive meaning is lost. |
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