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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: Elmicker on 16/10/2007 22:09:37
 Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you live in EU you should pay in EUR, if you live outside the EU you should pay in USD
That's a 40% difference in price for europeans. How is that accounted for?
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Elmicker on 16/10/2007 22:25:39
Originally by: Estel Arador
Partly European VAT, partly the dollar dropping like a rock (if prices get adjusted the dollar subscriptions will cost more, not the euro subs less)
So we're paying 15% over the maximum allowed rate of VAT (25%, actually more than that in almost all cases) because CCP can't be arsed to adjust their prices for a currency that has been at approximately 1.3-4:1 usd:eur for several months now?
(Or non-europeans are getting the equivalent discount, whichever way you look at it. But it shouldn't be this way - the taxed rate should not be the base)
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.16 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
If prices get adjusted, the USD price will rise while the EUR price stays put.
And? ATM we're paying through the teeth (well, we're not, most of us probably use american ETCs) in comparison to non-europeans who are getting a huge discount because of ccp's crappy practices with regards to currency.
If i buy something via paypal, i'm charged the correct rate of VAT, and am given a very fair currency exchange. All the while CCP are charging a rate of VAT that's 7.5% over my country's, and then putting another 15% on top and saying "Weak dollar", which is utter *******s because the dollar's been that weak for months on end. The recent crises are a matter of mere cents, if that.
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.16 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger
Originally by: Mad Axe
USD=EUR, for example you pay the same number of curency for 1 gallon of fuel as you do for 1L of fuel 
That was mean :D
Mean and innaccurate. The price difference there is entirely the cost of importation and taxation. There isn't a magical 15% discount/tariff that's been slipped in and passed off as a weak currency.
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.17 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Point of it is to let people discuss the price, there's no reason for us to lock it. 
No, the point of it was for you to ask the question directed at you. I've asked it specifically several times before, and been ignored then. Hopefully you won't be so rude this time.
Why do europeans pay 40% more than non-europeans?
Even a simple "We enjoy screwing you for cash" would do me; at least you'd be being honest.
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.17 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
The main reason we charge more in EUR is the VAT
VAT is 25% maximum... so...
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the reason the difference is so high is that the USD has weakened since the price was set.
In the last six months the USD:EUR exchange rate has varied by a total of 5 cents. Are you saying that the 5 cents per dollar over the last 6 months has resulted in an extra 15% price difference?
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.17 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme
price was set more than 6 months ago troll
I'm not trolling.
You have to go back to just about the creation of the Euro as a currency to get enough of a difference to account for the extra discount americans get. Then you simply have to ask yourself why CCP are reluctant to charge all their customers the same amount. What is preventing them from simply charging all customers in euros and letting their respective banks sorting out the conversions?
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.17 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Elmicker on 17/10/2007 16:10:35
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
how about the headache of adjusting it daily?
Banks will happily do this for you. Try buying something in another currency through paypal. They'll offer to convert the currency for you, or charge you in the original currency and let your bank deal with it. Hell, they'll even charge you the correct amount of VAT while they're at it.
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its simply easier to set a price and keep it there
Easier, yes, but loses a good chunk of income from the subscribers who use that currency, and establishes an unfair 2-tier payment system.
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.17 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme
not really, you can still pay in a different currency via gtc's
According to EU directives, non-eu businesses selling digital commerce services to EU residents are required to collect the VAT on behalf of the resident. AFAIK, none of the USD GTC sellers provide this service, so buying them is deep into a legal grey area.
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.18 22:44:00 -
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@ whoever was asking why i was bothered:
Because i have to jump headfirst into a legal grey area to pay the same amount as others who receive exactly the same service as me. I'd be happy to just pay VAT @ 17.5%, but 40% just takes the ****.
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Elmicker
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.18 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
You're confusing the difference in pricing and the VAT. It should be clear by now that only part of the difference is VAT; you are not paying more VAT just because the USD has dropped.
Yes. That's exactly what i'm saying. I'd be happy if the price difference was JUST vat. but it isn't. There's a huge gulf between the prices simply because CCP refuse to alter their currency conversions, which were apparently done 7 years ago.
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