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Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:29:00 - [31] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Originally by: Arvald then why are you cryin? Because I was warned for no appreciable reason? Because after 2.5 years of playing this game my otherwise clean record is tarnished for no reason that I could have foreseen (except if I were a complete cynic)? Did you read my response here? It might clarify things for you. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:29:00 - [32] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Originally by: ArmyOfMe you shouldnt have made the char in the first place And how was I to know that? using some common sence would be a great way to start
Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Eve Corporation 20070532	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:29:00 - [33] Originally by: Sha4d13 Edited by: Sha4d13 on 17/10/2007 14:26:25 Please xplain how this has harmed you. Permanent warning on my record. Are you actually capable of comprehension or are you Modified Eliza - Eve Edition? Quote: I can understand precisely why they would close the petition- as you seem completely immune to reason. Of course, it is all my fault, GMs are above reproach and are infallible. Mea culpa.
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Originally by: Sha4d13 Edited by: Sha4d13 on 17/10/2007 14:26:25 Please xplain how this has harmed you. Permanent warning on my record. Are you actually capable of comprehension or are you Modified Eliza - Eve Edition? Quote: I can understand precisely why they would close the petition- as you seem completely immune to reason. Of course, it is all my fault, GMs are above reproach and are infallible. Mea culpa. holy crap you pansy, its just a warning get over it --------------------------- ALL HAIL TO THE TECHNOVIKING
Deacon Ix Ascendant Strategies Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:36:00 - [35] sympathy = 0 Originally by: Steini OFSI The most efficient way to get a dev response is to have the word beer somewhere in your thread.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:39:00 - [36] Originally by: Sha4d13 Edited by: Sha4d13 on 17/10/2007 14:26:25 Please xplain how this has harmed you. I can understand precisely why they would close the petition- as you seem completely immune to reason. You get 3 I love it! _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:41:00 - [37] op is lame, whine is flimsy, and GM's roxorz my boxorz with their hilarity I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear Someone found Jesus, please buff cloaking!
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:41:00 - [38] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Original Post. To sum it up : You tried to scam ISK by impersonating a member of Griefwatch. Griefwatch publically outed you and complained to CCP. CCP looked into it further, and handed you your ass. You've now come to the forums whining because your scam failed, and are trying to make CCP look bad or reverse their descision purely on the grounds of the wording of their EULA. There really is no other reason for your naming of character and corporation almost identically to that of one being used for the collection of ISK for a killboard service. It's blatently apparent what you were trying to do, and it's a good thing that CCP did act on it and make an example of you. Although I don't promote it, scamming is a part of the game when it's done for ingame items. When it's done in relation to a service that someone puts time and out of game effort into developing, and pays for out of their own pocket (hosting and development costs) then frankly you deserve everything you get. Nice job CCP, but personally I'd have smacked him with the banstick. Probably permamantly. >>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
Sha4d13	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:41:00 - [39] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Originally by: Sha4d13 Edited by: Sha4d13 on 17/10/2007 14:26:25 Please xplain how this has harmed you. Permanent warning on my record. Are you actually capable of comprehension or are you Modified Eliza - Eve Edition? Quote: I can understand precisely why they would close the petition- as you seem completely immune to reason. Of course, it is all my fault, GMs are above reproach and are infallible. Mea culpa. Ok- youve done the first step in the chain of logic, but failed miserably at the second. You have got a warning. This is not a criminal record and will not affect your employment prospects or credit rating. Neither will it affect your gameplay so long as you don't continually do anything stupid or cynical. If you are not bright enough to avoid doing things which will get you a second warning- then frankly you shouldnt (for your own safety) be allowed near the electrical sockets which power your pc, let alone complicated stuff like games software.
Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Eve Corporation 20070532	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:48:00 - [40] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Original Post. To sum it up : You tried to scam ISK by impersonating a member of Griefwatch. Wrong. Quote: Griefwatch publically outed you and complained to CCP. Insert step : CCP Wrangler said it was fine. Quote: CCP looked into it further, and handed you your ass. More like 'CCP did a 180...' Quote: You've now come to the forums whining because your scam failed, and are trying to make CCP look bad or reverse their descision purely on the grounds of the wording of their EULA. I expected a company to stick to the terms they laid out in our service agreement? How could I possibly be so STUPID? Quote: There really is no other reason for your naming of character and corporation almost identically to that of one being used for the collection of ISK for a killboard service. Correct, but it's also within the EULA, and Wrangler had no problem with it. Quote: When it's done in relation to a service that someone puts time and out of game effort into developing, and pays for out of their own pocket (hosting and development costs) then frankly you deserve everything you get. Every scam in Eve depends on services people put time and effort into and fund out of their own pocket. Wrangler understands that, you don't seem to. Quote: Nice job CCP, but personally I'd have smacked him with the banstick. Probably permamantly. Coming from someone who freely admits abusing cats, I'm not surprised.

Sha4d13	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:50:00 - [41] Edited by: Sha4d13 on 17/10/2007 14:50:20 Again- so what? This issue has caused you more harm in the time wasted whining on here than in any other meaningful way. Incidentally- I cant speak for other countries, but in the UK what you have done is probably illegal anyway. It amounts to passing off.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:50:00 - [42] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 stuff Once again, did you actually read my post where I clarified exactly what you did and why it was illegal? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
Dominious Gallente New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:51:00 - [43] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 I just want to know what the rules actually are. The rules are whatever CCP says they are at any given time in any given place. Their game, their rules. The EULA is just a guide. Use common sense and logic and you'll be fine. You were 'impersonating' a corp hoping that a technicality in the EULA would get you off the hook. It didn't and now you're trying to defend yourself as if CCP is some kind of court of law where the laws are followed to the "T" and with ridiculous technicality. You know very well why what you did was wrong.
Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Eve Corporation 20070532	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:54:00 - [44] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 stuff Once again, did you actually read my post where I clarified exactly what you did and why it was illegal? You didn't clarify anything, you just restated what I already knew - that it doesn't matter what the rules say, it only matters whether a GM likes it.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:54:00 - [45] the more he posts the more he fails, keep him riled tarmy I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear Someone found Jesus, please buff cloaking!
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:58:00 - [46] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Originally by: Verone Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Original Post. To sum it up : You tried to scam ISK by impersonating a member of Griefwatch. Wrong. Quote: Griefwatch publically outed you and complained to CCP. Insert step : CCP Wrangler said it was fine. Quote: CCP looked into it further, and handed you your ass. More like 'CCP did a 180...' Quote: You've now come to the forums whining because your scam failed, and are trying to make CCP look bad or reverse their descision purely on the grounds of the wording of their EULA. I expected a company to stick to the terms they laid out in our service agreement? How could I possibly be so STUPID? Quote: There really is no other reason for your naming of character and corporation almost identically to that of one being used for the collection of ISK for a killboard service. Correct, but it's also within the EULA, and Wrangler had no problem with it. Quote: When it's done in relation to a service that someone puts time and out of game effort into developing, and pays for out of their own pocket (hosting and development costs) then frankly you deserve everything you get. Every scam in Eve depends on services people put time and effort into and fund out of their own pocket. Wrangler understands that, you don't seem to. Quote: Nice job CCP, but personally I'd have smacked him with the banstick. Probably permamantly. Coming from someone who freely admits abusing cats, I'm not surprised. last time im gona tell you and you damn well better read it this time ahem ITS CCP'S FRIGGIN ACCOUNT NOT YOURS SO THEY CAN DO WAHTEVER THE HELL THE WANT TO IT --------------------------- ALL HAIL TO THE TECHNOVIKING
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:59:00 - [47] Originally by: Tortun Nahme the more he posts the more he fails, keep him riled tarmy agreed --------------------------- ALL HAIL TO THE TECHNOVIKING
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:59:00 - [48] Edited by: Tarminic on 17/10/2007 14:59:27 Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 stuff Once again, did you actually read my post where I clarified exactly what you did and why it was illegal? You didn't clarify anything, you just restated what I already knew - that it doesn't matter what the rules say, it only matters whether a GM likes it. GMs are like the Supreme Court, and the EULA is the Constitution. Get over it. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
Zy Nox	Posted - 2007.10.17 14:59:00 - [49] Edited by: Zy Nox on 17/10/2007 15:00:49 Shame tbh sounds like a pretty good scam alt name. Also it dosent mater if he was in the right or not, CCP employees should ALL be towing the same line, none of this hearing that its ok from one CCP guy one day and then getting wtf warned and name changed the next. Edit: the petition system is like this too, its a coin toss as to wether you get someone who knows wtf he is talking about, someone who dosent care or someone who copy n pastes his replays.
Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Eve Corporation 20070532	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:01:00 - [50] Originally by: Arvald last time im gona tell you and you damn well better read it this time ahem ITS CCP'S FRIGGIN ACCOUNT NOT YOURS SO THEY CAN DO WAHTEVER THE HELL THE WANT TO IT You're still missing the point. It's all very well saying that it's CCP's account to do with as they wish. However, if they are to maintain a relationship of trust with their customers, they need to operate in a trustworthy manner; ie stick to the rules they themselves publish. I fully accept that CCP are free to act in any way they like, however I'd like to be able to trust them not to.

Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:01:00 - [51] Originally by: Zy Nox Edited by: Zy Nox on 17/10/2007 15:00:49 Shame tbh sounds like a pretty good scam alt name. Also it dosent mater if he was in the right or not, CCP employees should ALL be towing the same line, none of this hearing that its ok from one CCP guy one day and then getting wtf warned and name changed the next. Edit: the petition system is like this too, its a coin toss as to wether you get someone who knows wtf he is talking about, someone who dosent care or someone who copy n pastes his replays. probly an alt ^^ --------------------------- ALL HAIL TO THE TECHNOVIKING
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:02:00 - [52] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Originally by: Arvald last time im gona tell you and you damn well better read it this time ahem ITS CCP'S FRIGGIN ACCOUNT NOT YOURS SO THEY CAN DO WAHTEVER THE HELL THE WANT TO IT You're still missing the point. It's all very well saying that it's CCP's account to do with as they wish. However, if they are to maintain a relationship of trust with their customers, they need to operate in a trustworthy manner; ie stick to the rules they themselves publish. I fully accept that CCP are free to act in any way they like, however I'd like to be able to trust them not to. dont like it then gtfo --------------------------- ALL HAIL TO THE TECHNOVIKING
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:03:00 - [53] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Originally by: Arvald last time im gona tell you and you damn well better read it this time ahem ITS CCP'S FRIGGIN ACCOUNT NOT YOURS SO THEY CAN DO WAHTEVER THE HELL THE WANT TO IT You're still missing the point. It's all very well saying that it's CCP's account to do with as they wish. However, if they are to maintain a relationship of trust with their customers, they need to operate in a trustworthy manner; ie stick to the rules they themselves publish. I fully accept that CCP are free to act in any way they like, however I'd like to be able to trust them not to. They interpreted the rules slightly differently than was explicitly stated, but anyone would say that the spirit of said rules was followed. You tried to impersonate an organization instead of a character, the details are minor honestly. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
Miss Xerox	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:03:00 - [54] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 For background, see this thread. Shortly after that thread, my character was renamed and I was issued a formal warning under this section of the EULA: 'No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity.' Since my character was not misrepresenting anybody else's character name (as confirmed by Wrangler in the thread linked above), I petitioned the warning. The end result, after pointing out the flaws in all the arguments offered by the GMs for the warning was a response to the effect of: "We know what the rules are, it doesn't matter what the EULA says we've made our decision and it stands" Note that this is not a direct quote. I would have been comfortable with the character renaming; however a permanent warning against my account for something the GMs admit is not covered by the EULA seems punitive and unjust. Why bother even publishing an EULA if GMs are going to make decision based on their own whims instead of what it actually says? Not particularly observant, are you? Devs & GMs routinenly outright ignore EULA violations, issuing no warnings and no bans. Petition the same group of glaringly obvious macro miners for 2 years and see what happens (nadda). People just claim that they're 'farming'... which CCP also does not create any counter to, giving farmers blanket invulnerability (or as close as) in NPC corps.
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:03:00 - [55] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Original Post. blah. . .ban him permanantly. . . blah so one end of this fiasco is the offender, the OP , and at the other end is an over reacting EVEr like you ? CCP's punishment was just right, thank god for reason
Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Eve Corporation 20070532	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:03:00 - [56] Originally by: Arvald dont like it then gtfo I would direct you to take your own advice as regards this thread.
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:04:00 - [57] Originally by: Arvald Originally by: Zy Nox Edited by: Zy Nox on 17/10/2007 15:00:49 Shame tbh sounds like a pretty good scam alt name. Also it dosent mater if he was in the right or not, CCP employees should ALL be towing the same line, none of this hearing that its ok from one CCP guy one day and then getting wtf warned and name changed the next. Edit: the petition system is like this too, its a coin toss as to wether you get someone who knows wtf he is talking about, someone who dosent care or someone who copy n pastes his replays. probly an alt ^^ no **** sherlock - im not HIS alt though.
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:05:00 - [58] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Originally by: Arvald dont like it then gtfo I would direct you to take your own advice as regards this thread. no because i find it quite amusing making yourself look like a whiny little 12yr old --------------------------- ALL HAIL TO THE TECHNOVIKING
Amarr Citizen 2007091000 Eve Corporation 20070532	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:05:00 - [59] Originally by: Miss Xerox Not particularly observant, are you? Devs & GMs routinenly outright ignore EULA violations, issuing no warnings and no bans. Petition the same group of glaringly obvious macro miners for 2 years and see what happens (nadda). People just claim that they're 'farming'... which CCP also does not create any counter to, giving farmers blanket invulnerability (or as close as) in NPC corps. Being aware of the problem means I shouldn't post about it? Posting about it implies that I'm not aware of it? There's a failure in your reasoning somewhere I'm afraid.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.17 15:05:00 - [60] actually rereading it he never said they wouldnt change it or even that the name was acceptable, he merely layed out a rough guidline of how the system worked upon further study I can conclude that you got owned because people were lead to believe that you are a whiney little monkey because your single wit got stepped on I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear Someone found Jesus, please buff cloaking!



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