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Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.10.23 05:00:00 - [391] quite funny MY RP IS BETTER THAN YOUR RP!!! the problem is that there are no events. cus the *******s who used to make them, told their ingame buddies about it. and alot of that crap went down in early 2005.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 06:21:00 - [392] Well Revan I guess I'll just let your words speak for themselves so we can all see what you think of the RP community in Eve. "I lost interest in the mindless discussions about pretty much everything, from the ping pong ooc hatred of wars to the content people who wants to keep the low level role play as status quo." quote by Revan Nefaris "I stayed to read the brilliant minds and discuss interesting topics. But everyone's worth of reading has lost will to post any interesting things in face of the general ignorance here. So I might as well do what's best." quote by Revan Nefaris "Probably yes. thing is that what he meant is "quality rp" not the level you are used with. Some people just get happy with little. that's life." quote by Revan Nefaris "if you want to continue that way, all I have to do is give the cold breeze and let you all speak alone because some people have patience to play fairly tales, others what to have a role as a dumb elve, others play hard as a camarrila assassin. whatever, even to role play, there are levels wich we consider entertaining or simply silly" quote by Revan Nefaris "You people are just pitiful. Really. I hope your RL doesn't suck that much for you to try desperately to compensate here this way. " quote by Revan Nefaris I'm glad I have all these RP community friends to comfort me from your scathing disapproval. From the Amarr who I drink with at the pub to the Caldari who I sell ships to then the Matari who we share OOC chats with and ingame channels to the Gallente rp corps who want to join in Port Sanctuary storyline events I guess we'll all have to suffer in the "status quo" of our RP. It is a BIG sandbox after all...... Archie PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.23 11:50:00 - [393] Edited by: Sable Schroedinger on 23/10/2007 11:52:13 one thing I object to in the "this is my play style and I play with those like me" or "why is this sandbox better than that sandbox, they're just different" is that its the same game. empire or 0.0, its still eve. you don't have different leagues in football for those who play one tactic and those who play another. you just play, standing or falling on the strength of your commitment. I don't like alt scout, corp theft, sprouts or sand in my undies, so I don't do any them. But others do, and thats their choice, there way of playing the same game as I am. Just because I play a slightly different style does not create another game for me. Therefore, maintain your standards by all means, but maintain them in an inclusive way, not by excluding those who disagree - otherwise you are saying that your way is better and so being guilty of what you're accusing others of. -------------------------------------------- SF Recruiting
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 11:56:00 - [394] Edited by: Udyr Vulpayne on 23/10/2007 11:56:33 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne and this could not possibly have anything to do with you hurling the same insults on ooc boards for years now? (not just regarding arch himself but pretty much regarding all non-sf friendly rp groups and their inferior way to play the game) Nope. Dunno what you're talking about there. As far as I know we're always treated other rp entities with all due respect - I think you've gotten confused somehow. Quote: also: wasnt there a lot of whinage from sf about how horribly ooc and unfair it was of the amarr bloc to call you guys sitting around the emp family station in amarr irrelevant? Nope. Once again I think you have muddled events received second hand and have missed the point of current discussions. sorry...didnt know you had sold your account again. my mistake tehn.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:13:00 - [395] Archbishop, the issue here is that there is a contradiction between your position of a) ôI donÆt choose to involve myself with SF roleplay endeavours because of our pvp-centric, space-achievement, gameplay-orientated styleö and b) ôI think its appropriate for my character to post on each and every SF thread in an attempt to debunk or demonize our in-game ideological positions.ö You see the point? If you donÆt like what we do and donÆt feel you enjoy the kind of wars we fight then you have every right and remit to ignore it. But by actively publicising your dislike through the agency of continual negative commentary on and each and every RP thread we author you are contradicting yourself. If you were actively striving in-game with spaceships, mercenaries, economic pressure or whatnot to upset and damage SF operations then it would at least be an appropriate coupling of ingame and galnet strategies, but since its purely limited to IGS propaganda it doesnÆt really improve the climate since you are tweaking the tails of pvpÆers without ever being prepared to fight the conflict you are provoking. You see the problem I hope? Your expressed desire to point out ôhypocrisyö in the fraction lifestyle is misjudged in the interested of good debate in that medium. Basically there is no correlation between our active war-campaign to demonstrate the frailty of an enemy and your repetitious posting in multiple ôwar-diaryö threads concerning other conflicts most of which have absolutely nothing to do with your character. My personal issue is not that you ôsound oocö so much as its just simply boring. You are bringing up the same arguments and issues youÆve brought up a hundred times before and have already been answered and rejected a hundred times before. You will say that you donÆt consider these things adequately answered, SF corporate officers including the Cosmopolite will tell you have been answered, fully, formally and well. There comes a time when debate and questioning becomes meaningless harangue and destructive heckling. When you have been answered many times previous û simply asking the same questions and making the same accusations becomes a purely irritating distraction and I think you can see how your reputation capital has suffered in that forum as a direct result. It doesnÆt really matter if you sound ôICö or ôOOCö û if itÆs perceived as repetitious and dull monotonic restating of the same positions youÆve stated a hundred times before then it does absolutely no good for either the cause of RP on the summit, or decent relations between RP organizations. Your ôconundrumö is not how to attack us on the summit û itÆs simple. DonÆt do it in our threads that have precisely nothing to do with your interests. DonÆt derail our war diary threads. If you want to propagandize and make up wild stories about the ôevilsö of Star Fraction in the eyes of Amarrians then make up your own threads and do it (as I note you do in each sermon) û just leave your propaganda to your own threads and weÆll have fewer problems and the standard of discussion and creative material on IGS will improve. In regard to the humiliation visited on your corporation in operation Judas Goat then weÆre just going to have to agree to disagree. We believe we utterly crushed your corporation and interests û you believe you avoided us and heroically survived the anarchist attack. Absolutely irreconcilable viewpoints and absolutely no point discussing them in more threads than the original war-diary concerned with that dispute specifically. We can live with the knowledge that youÆre character considers us ôliarsö. You are going to need to live with the fact that our characterÆs considers Archbishop a ôliarö. Arguing about it continually in a way that endlessly revisits the feud in every thread authored by our people is just mindless. It has to stop. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:14:00 - [396] IÆm telling you directly now as a player (not a character) that you are wrong to say that the questions you asked are ônever answeredö û they are always answered, I used to answer them myself in JasmineÆs voice, but after the first couple of occasions when seeing you not like what you hear and just continually ask the same question again and again I stopped bothering to answer substantively. Other SF people have found exactly the same thing and now you will be rare to find anyone from our organisation that actually responds to you in anything other than straight dismissal. What you consider to be ôhypocrisyö and ôdouble standardsö is simply not. I know its a issue youÆve had problems with since your pre-RP history as TTI and CFS but its not helping to have you represent your personal (and contested) opinions through ôRPö in this matter. As for your questions: Quote: 1. What do you want me to do? Stop de-railing war-diaries and other SF posts with endless discussions on irreconcilable viewpoints with zero chance of resolution. We are never going to view the ôjudas goatö as anything other than a complete humbling of Amarrian nationalist pride. You are never going to view it as anything other than the conceptual opposite. At some point youÆve got to just accept that you cannot proselytize that preferred outcome from your side any further. YouÆve had your say in the threads at that time period û repeating this in every thread since is just getting very boring indeed and not furthering the interests of quality RP dialogue in Eve. Quote: 2. What do you think I should do as an RPer given my current playing time? Its not my place to say. Its up to you how you spend your time in eve. All IÆm saying is that spending your time derailing and damaging the integrity of war diary threads is not doing you or your corporation any favours in the reputation stakes. Do something else. Find another ôfoeö who enjoys these endless debate-fests in the purely IGS sphere? IÆd be happy to fight you in space or fight your organization or whatnot as long as it involves combat, excitement, fleet challenge and hijinks û but I donÆt enjoy seeing my threads being derailed with copy/paste repetition of ancient irresolvable arguments. Just stop it and we have no problems. We can ôlive and let liveö and ignore your stuff as an ôRP religious industrialist prelateö on IGS û go have fun with it. Eve is a big universe û go explore other parts of it and donÆt feel obliged to try and ôdebunk and demonizeö an organisation that is beyond your ability to impact via in-game actions. Maybe find a rivalry with an Minmatar industrialist? That could be fun. Long sermons against the devilry of Matari design philosophy? Might be fun to read. Anyways, I hope you appreciate the tone of my reply to you. I genuinely wish you the best away from this somewhat corrosive feud that doesnÆt please or entertain either side of the ôconflictö. I really donÆt look forward to seeing my diaries afflicted in this way and IÆm sure you donÆt enjoy copy/pasting the same arguments week after week. Simple solution is to ignore one another and since our corporations have extremely minor interaction in game that shouldnÆt be a difficult resolution to embrace. Star Fraction is recruiting
Nekumi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:21:00 - [397] I personally think there is an inherent weakness with the roleplay associated with Eve and that it is down to a lack of consequences. There are very few things that you can do to finality in this game that can not be either ignored or recovered from and this is especially the case when dealing with empire based corporations and alliances and very definitely when dealing with people who are subscribing to a particular ideology. You cannot touch this, nor will any game mechanic ever allow you to. I can't see that any changes to game mechanics will help with this unless concord is removed and they introduce a big red button that lets you destroy outposts, so that you can leave no stone unturned if you do actually want to implement something final upon an other organisation.
Nekumi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:24:00 - [398] Originally by: Revan Neferis Could only have come from a goon. Your post is so full of ignorance that I don't know even where to start. Hey Revan, pot kettle black.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:27:00 - [399] Originally by: Nekumi ... and they introduce a big red button that lets you destroy outposts, so that you can leave no stone unturned if you do actually want to implement something final upon an other organisation. Sexy War Diary : Operation Terminus Est
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:35:00 - [400] Originally by: Nekumi I personally think there is an inherent weakness with the roleplay associated with Eve and that it is down to a lack of consequences. There are very few things that you can do to finality in this game that can not be either ignored or recovered from and this is especially the case when dealing with empire based corporations and alliances and very definitely when dealing with people who are subscribing to a particular ideology. You cannot touch this, nor will any game mechanic ever allow you to. I can't see that any changes to game mechanics will help with this unless concord is removed and they introduce a big red button that lets you destroy outposts, so that you can leave no stone unturned if you do actually want to implement something final upon an other organisation. The way I see it, the lack of consequences is something that effects everyone, not just those people with the "I'm an RPer" badge. Regarding the specific example of being able to destroy outposts, I don't think that that would be a good idea as it would most likely lead us into a situation where the only outposts in the game were held by the main power-blocs. As things stand BoB (or indeed the Goons) can't capture the whole of 0.0, and they know it. This is partly because of the effort of holding onto territory. What's the point of invading some neutral alliance if you have to withdraw a month later? But if they could destroy outposts, you can bet that they'd invade a constellation, raze the infrastructure, and then pull out. This would make it extremely difficult for newer alliances to rise up and challenge the old order. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Nekumi Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.23 12:44:00 - [401] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Nekumi I personally think there is an inherent weakness with the roleplay associated with Eve and that it is down to a lack of consequences. There are very few things that you can do to finality in this game that can not be either ignored or recovered from and this is especially the case when dealing with empire based corporations and alliances and very definitely when dealing with people who are subscribing to a particular ideology. You cannot touch this, nor will any game mechanic ever allow you to. I can't see that any changes to game mechanics will help with this unless concord is removed and they introduce a big red button that lets you destroy outposts, so that you can leave no stone unturned if you do actually want to implement something final upon an other organisation. The way I see it, the lack of consequences is something that effects everyone, not just those people with the "I'm an RPer" badge. Regarding the specific example of being able to destroy outposts, I don't think that that would be a good idea as it would most likely lead us into a situation where the only outposts in the game were held by the main power-blocs. As things stand BoB (or indeed the Goons) can't capture the whole of 0.0, and they know it. This is partly because of the effort of holding onto territory. What's the point of invading some neutral alliance if you have to withdraw a month later? But if they could destroy outposts, you can bet that they'd invade a constellation, raze the infrastructure, and then pull out. This would make it extremely difficult for newer alliances to rise up and challenge the old order. I would put it to you that the old order is being continually challenged but I will disagree that this would make things more difficult for newer alliances. As it stands with the current mechanics the only way for smaller groups to set up stakes in conquerable space is through barter, slavery or by avoiding notice (which is next to impossible). Mechanics that lead to destructable super structures would have no impact on this. You are in essence, protecting people from the consequences of their actions by using indestructable structures. Now as for the doomsday situation where one alliance or powerblock rampages across the galaxy destroying wherever they go sounds plausible I think you would find that groups and collections of groups within Eve would rise up to challenge such a group eventually and that scenario is the stuff of legend and I would welcome it.
Drethon Gallente Lutin Group	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:07:00 - [402] The overall problem with role-playing in eve is there are no controls. Before eve-online I played Gemstone IV a lot and still do some. Gemstone is not perfect but if you walk into a community center and say something out of character, the entire community will come down on you and if they don't a GM might walk by and have a talk with you. In the long run, a good role-play community may be affected by the game mechanics but it is up to the community itself to enforce role-playing. I know I'm just as guilty as anyone else of not helping out the community, while I try to role-play I've been too busy learning the game mechanics to actively participate. I've now joined an RP corp to try to improve my role-playing but this by itself will not solve anything. So what do I think we need to do to encourage role-playing? As I've said, we need to improve the community. On one hand we have the hardcore players who have been playing for years in some cases. Many of these people will be stuck in their ways and there is little we can do with them but there are others who have been playing for years and are getting board. We need to reach out to these players. A lot of the Role-players post regularly in the intergalatic summit but what about IC posts in Crime and Punishment, Stations, Starbases and Outposts or Market Discussions? You will reach a large number of players in these forums who might not even realize they are interested in role-playing. On the other hand is probably the largest population in Eve, the new players. Now I haven't been very active in the community lately so this could be in progress already but how many role-playing organisms run training corporations? I'm not talking about turning main large scale role-playing corporations into schools but take an alt, start a newb corp and start actively recruiting. Those with time can start teaching the newbs in the mechanics of the game and at the same time, teach them proper role-playing for their characters. If I didn't come from other role-playing games I probably would not have any role-playing in my character in Eve as the mechanics take so long to learn. If players where taught how to play in parallel with learning role-playing, we could get the next generation of the community as solid role-players. No offense to anyone as I know it isn't quite as easy as this statement but to improve the role-playing community, stop complaining and get out there and start teaching people! "I may not believe in what you believe in but I will fight to the death to protect your right to believe."
kookookrazyCICHEN	Posted - 2007.10.23 13:30:00 - [403] Roleplaying can be done with a stick a hat and a glass of water so why are people having trouble doing it in EVE?
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:57:00 - [404] Quote: one thing I object to in the "this is my play style and I play with those like me" or "why is this sandbox better than that sandbox, they're just different" is that its the same game. Well Sable it's all about personal preference. Like I said though I don't consider one better than the other just "right for me". We all have things in our lives that we gravitate to and in my case my limited Eve playing time pulls me toward things I enjoy doing. I'm not going to apologize for spending my $12.95 on things I enjoy. I guess the real question is why would someone go out of their way to interact with someone who doesn't want to interact with them. Are they a glutton for punishment? A bully? A totally oblivious person? I mean I know as an RPer I don't fly around shooting at random Minmatar characters saying they're "escaped slaves" when they're not RPers in the same context I am. Sure we're all RPers but they're not playing the same "game" within the game that I am so why would I force them to try and do this. I have more respect for their choice and I'm not going to waste my time trying to force others to play "my way" when they've clearly don't want to. Quote: "you don't have different leagues in football for those who play one tactic and those who play another. you just play, standing or falling on the strength of your commitment." Well first off you do have different sports leagues in some sports (like check and no-check hockey) but besides that yes you have one game of "Eve" like you said but there are different "games" within the game are there not? Look at the differences between Empire 1.0 space and 0.0 space. Certainly those are different games. Likewise you have personal preferences. I know from playing hockey growing up that I had teams I enjoyed playing and teams I didn't and the reasons had nothing to do with winning or losing rather it was all about playstyle. If one team was "dirty" for example I wouldn't enjoy playing them rather I'd have a choice. I could uphold what I'm true to (clean play) and not slash, hack, commit penalties or I could be a goon myself and turn into a dirty player which isn't what I was a as a hockey player. Just an analogy (not saying you're dirty or anything but it's the only example I could think of this early in the morning). Quote: "I don't like alt scout, corp theft, sprouts or sand in my undies, so I don't do any them. But others do, and thats their choice, there way of playing the same game as I am. Just because I play a slightly different style does not create another game for me." So imagine for a moment you had a corp that does all of those things and continually "comes back for more" with you over and over again. What would you think their motivation was? Certainly it's a different playstyle but you have a preference in your playstyle and you gravitate toward that just as I gravitate toward mine. Quote: "Therefore, maintain your standards by all means, but maintain them in an inclusive way, not by excluding those who disagree - otherwise you are saying that your way is better and so being guilty of what you're accusing others of." I am not excluding anyone and anyone is free to wardec me. What I am saying is I have preferences and I don't want to spend my time doing things I don't enjoy. It's strictly an OOC attitude for me and I want to have fun.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:57:00 - [405] Quote: Archbishop, the issue here is that there is a significant contradiction between your expressed position of a) ôI donÆt choose to involve myself with SF roleplay endeavours because of their pvp-centric, space-achievement, gameplay-orientated styleö and b) ôI think its appropriate for my character to post on each and every SF thread in an attempt to debunk or demonize our in-game ideological positions.ö By attacking Amarrian interests and going out of your way to time and time again show up on the doorstep of the Empire loyalists you're opening a door I can walk through. You believe your RP endeavours are strictly "space-based" but they're not they're also forum based so in a way I am engaging with your RP. I have preferences in RP but as you've shown (by constantly reappearing at the sandbox to kickover the castles time and time again) it's impossible to stay completely away from you. If you'd reappeared in Stain for example and posted weekly war diaries there you'd probably have seen one comment from me and thats it. Instead you talk about Judas Goat and shoot at PIE members in Providence thus basically inviting a reply from me. Quote: "Your expressed desire to point out ôhypocrisyö in the fraction lifestyle is misjudged in the interest of good debate in that medium. Basically there is no correlation between our active war-campaign to demonstrate the frailty of an enemy and your repetitious posting in multiple ôwar-diaryö threads concerning other conflicts most of which have absolutely nothing to do with your character." Thats not true. My character takes great pleasure in pointing out your pirate friends and seemingly contradictory statements. You'll also notice after making his statements he usually "backs off" a bit and leaves you to yourself. He makes his point and leaves it open for the public to evaluate on it's merits. Quote: It doesnÆt really matter if you sound ôICö or ôOOCö û if itÆs perceived as repetitious and dull monotonic restating of the same positions youÆve stated a hundred times before then it does absolutely no good for either the cause of RP on the summit, or decent relations between RP organizations. In that respect I'll laugh a bit not at you but because Archie is a one-dimensional, naive, arrogant monotonic Amarrian who really has no clue about anything except his own little world. In a way it's alot like Revan who is playing the character of a crazy, out of touch rich and insane meglomaniac. It is who it is and it's someone to interact with. You say Archbishop is "boring" on IGS and he's fine with that as he knows he is. I don't have a problem with that. Quote: Your ôconundrumö is not how to attack us on the summit û itÆs simple. DonÆt do it in our threads that have precisely nothing to do with your interests. DonÆt derail our war diary threads. If you want to propagandize and make up wild stories about the ôevilsö of Star Fraction in the eyes of Amarrians then make up your own threads and do it (as I note you do in each sermon) û just leave your propaganda to your own threads and weÆll have fewer problems and the standard of discussion and creative material on IGS will improve. I can even live with that. But when you attack Amarrian interests? I was down in Providence the other day in fact flying around doing some scouting. I dodged some SF in local and dodged some BoB and AzA and looked around a bit at BoB's POS spam and was there. Amarr is my interest. If you want to attack the Gallente I'll probably subtley SUPPORT you (in an Archie type of way) on IGS. Same with the Minmatar. But to attack Amarr and Archie's allies in the CVA is going to invite the chance for me to say something. To bring up the previous war (Judas Goat) is almost 100% of the time going to bring up intereaction with Archie's holier-than-thou attitude. PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 14:58:00 - [406] Quote: Stop de-railing war-diaries and other SF posts with endless discussions on irreconcilable viewpoints with zero chance of resolution. We are never going to view the ôjudas goatö as anything other than a complete humbling of Amarrian nationalist pride. You are never going to view it as anything other than the conceptual opposite. At some point youÆve got to just accept that you cannot proselytize that preferred outcome from your side any further. YouÆve had your say in the threads at that time period û repeating this in every thread since is just getting very boring indeed and not furthering the interests of quality RP dialogue in Eve. I recognize your character views it as a "complete humbling". You obviously recognize when my character doesn't view it that way at all. So when one of us brings it up what should the other do? Let the enemy character 'spread propoganda' without rebuttal or say something? I guess in reply to your comments maybe the answer is don't bring up stuff from past battles at all? Quote: " Its not my place to say. Its up to you how you spend your time in eve. All IÆm saying is that spending your time derailing and damaging the integrity of war diary threads is not doing you or your corporation any favours in the reputation stakes. Do something else. Find another ôfoeö who enjoys these endless debate-fests in the purely IGS sphere? IÆd be happy to fight you in space or fight your organization or whatnot as long as it involves combat, excitement, fleet challenge and hijinks û but I donÆt enjoy seeing my threads being derailed with copy/paste repetition of ancient irresolvable arguments. Just stop it and we have no problems. We can ôlive and let liveö and ignore your stuff as an ôRP religious industrialist prelateö on IGS û go have fun with it. Eve is a big universe û go explore other parts of it and donÆt feel obliged to try and ôdebunk and demonizeö an organisation that is beyond your ability to impact via in-game actions." Well I appreciate your honesty. I will do my best to avoid posting in threads where Amarrian interests aren't threatend with my usual six paragraph diatribe rebuttals. Perhaps you'll even get me to engage in combat more often if I have time especially since that does "open the door" on IGS because suddenly I'd be involved right? I wish I had the time. Quote: "I personally think there is an inherent weakness with the roleplay associated with Eve and that it is down to a lack of consequences. There are very few things that you can do to finality in this game that can not be either ignored or recovered from and this is especially the case when dealing with empire based corporations and alliances and very definitely when dealing with people who are subscribing to a particular ideology. You cannot touch this, nor will any game mechanic ever allow you to." I do agree with you Nekumi. Part of the curse of being Amarrian is being so rigid in fundamentalism. I tried to make Archie "more evil" once (it lasted a week). In some ways being an Amarrian is about the hardest RP you can do in Eve because you really have so little to work with as a base. Sure there is alot of history and material but as far as ways to expand the individual character it's very one-dimensional within the "shell" of being faithful to the Empire and God. There's only so many ways of doing it. Quote: "Anyways, I hope you appreciate the tone of my reply to you. I genuinely wish you the best away from this somewhat corrosive feud that doesnÆt please or entertain either side of the ôconflictö." I do and I hope you appreciate mine as well. Archie PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS
Jinx Jethro Anything Not Nailed Down	Posted - 2007.10.23 15:16:00 - [407] Hmm, this was a nice thread until it became another PIE / Amarr Faction vs SF and Friends slugfest. Can those factions get back to the subject at hand again?
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:24:00 - [408] wow! ----------------------------------------------
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:02:00 - [409] Originally by: Jinx Jethro Hmm, this was a nice thread until it became another PIE / Amarr Faction vs SF and Friends slugfest. Maybe this is what went wrong with RP in EVE. /me hides.
Lux Simian	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:04:00 - [410] To much of RP in Eve occurs out of game. Its what occurs in game that actually counts. When you log on, you're playing a role to some extent. When your compiling interesting or uninteresting stories about character background, who really cares other than a few similar minded people. Character backgrounds tend to be rather unlikely fabulously over detailed, where as the point of the game, in my humble opinion, is to be a member of a faction, living as that faction. Characters should develop in the game, not out of it. Same as in any RPG of note. You start out as a no one and trying to get by in a hostile universe. Roleplaying begins with playing a role and finding out who you are through the game. If your characters background is more interesting than what you've achieved or done in game, then whos fault is that? Eve is a game, in which you can roleplay - however the extent of that is up to you. Where are the ordinary people drawn to make their name? Does every Minmatar have to be the product of some screwed up ex-slave background or every Amarr a slave obcessed cold hearted fascist? The personality is what counts? Everyone in RP eve seems to be an extremist, which sometime creates what seems to be factions made up entirely of deranged or slightly unhinged characters (me originally included - I'm taking steps to change that). Its not like Tabletop or LARP where the universe revolves around the actions of a few characters and the GM. In Eve, or any MMORPG, we are the entire population of the game. We as Roleplayers might write nice stories, some very literate, but in the meantime other player factions are performing actions that affect entire galaxies, hundreds of planets, and billions of people. Which is more like the Roleplaying Games you ever played? Us or them?
Jenna Shame	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:06:00 - [411] Originally by: Revan Neferis . Its not first person space sim anymore but RTS That, saddly, pretty much sums it up.
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:07:00 - [412] Originally by: Archbishop Edited by: Archbishop on 23/10/2007 06:29:34 Well Revan I guess I'll just let your words speak for themselves so we can all see what you think of the RP community in Eve. "I lost interest in the mindless discussions about pretty much everything, from the ping pong ooc hatred of wars to the content people who wants to keep the low level role play as status quo." quote by Revan Nefaris "I stayed to read the brilliant minds and discuss interesting topics. But everyone's worth of reading has lost will to post any interesting things in face of the general ignorance here. So I might as well do what's best." quote by Revan Nefaris "Probably yes. thing is that what he meant is "quality rp" not the level you are used with. Some people just get happy with little. that's life." quote by Revan Nefaris "if you want to continue that way, all I have to do is give the cold breeze and let you all speak alone because some people have patience to play fairly tales, others what to have a role as a dumb elve, others play hard as a camarrila assassin. whatever, even to role play, there are levels wich we consider entertaining or simply silly" quote by Revan Nefaris "You people are just pitiful. Really. I hope your RL doesn't suck that much for you to try desperately to compensate here this way. " quote by Revan Nefaris "Unfortunaly, this is the hard truth of the rp eve nowadays. That's why people lose interest or simply have to turn to the their own way leaving the sandboxists in their wow perfect world. there are still, good people that takes rp to another level. Star Fraction is an example." quote by Revan Nefaris I'm glad I have all these RP community friends to comfort me from your scathing disapproval. From the Amarr who I drink with at the pub to the Caldari who I sell ships to then the Matari who we share OOC chats with and ingame channels to the Gallente rp corps who want to join in Port Sanctuary storyline events I guess we'll all have to suffer in the "status quo" of our RP. It is a BIG sandbox after all...... Archie I start to pity you , it's the second time you post here the same thing in the past 3 pages, quotes you substracted of chatsubo replies to several subjects. Different than you, I don't have no need to hide behind an hypocrite face to feel myself less or more able to play. Neither use references of peoples personal life and abuse of the information to feel myself " relevant" I think Jade was very right about you. One can only pity and avoid to feel complete loathe and try to produce a faint smaile once in a while. At least, your sandbox with the cloaked bestower is at the other side of my Universe and the block button is always active. Eve is big enough for us to live like that, thankfully. Originally by: ISD BH Eshtir Ps.: I also know its hard to RP whith a Cyno Jammer.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:30:00 - [413] Quote: I start to pity you , it's the second time you post here the same thing in the past 3 pages, quotes you substracted of chatsubo replies to several subjects. Different than you, I don't have no need to hide behind an hypocrite face to feel myself less or more able to play. Neither use references of peoples personal life and abuse of the information to feel myself " relevant" I think Jade was very right about you. One can only pity and avoid to feel complete loathe and try to produce a faint smaile once in a while. At least, your sandbox with the cloaked bestower is at the other side of my Universe and the block button is always active. Eve is big enough for us to live like that, thankfully. Your words speak for themselves. Your elitist attitude that we're all inferior is obvious in those words. You've made your bed Revan. Enjoy sleeping in it. Archie PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:37:00 - [414] Quote: I think Jade was very right about you. One can only pity and avoid to feel complete loathe and try to produce a faint smaile once in a while. Somehow these comments in the current context don't seem to me to be coming from Jade thus I'll continue to believe he is respecting our agreement. As for you the old saying "Hell hath's no fury like a woman scorned" kind of sums it all up. Like I said Revan you made your bed. Enjoy sleeping in it. As for me I find mine VERY comfortable. Archie PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:42:00 - [415] Quote: Hmm, this was a nice thread until it became another PIE / Amarr Faction vs SF and Friends slugfest. Can those factions get back to the subject at hand again? Actually I was having a good conversation with Jasmine and I think we made some good starter progress here toward at least tolerating each other (I don't see us liking each other anytime soon but we can at least tolerate each other). Given the topic of the original post and "community" I think it's been a very positive couple of pages. I'm even going to do some posts on the 'technical comparison of Amarrian to inferior space vessels" from an industrial standpoint to branch out the RP I do as well (it was a good idea Jasmine). I could have some fun with it I'm sure. And I plan more trips to Providence so perhaps I'll even see some anarchists flying around and get to take a few shots at them. Yes I think it's been a very productive couple of pages. Archie PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:09:00 - [416] The reason why RPers do not compete in online games in my opinion is primarily because we're a tribal breed. We form small groups and stick to ourselves looking for conflict with everyone else, because that's where the fun of RP lies. Yeah you get those that will sit next to each other and have some verbose and flowery discussion about the beutiful curvature of yon elf maiden's point elf ears. That's not roleplay. It's self indulgence built upon roleplay. It's artistic, but it is not the definition of the sport. There's no reason why (except perhaps due to the limit of population) the rolplayers in this game can't go take themselves a corner of 0.0 and compete with the big boys. Teamspeak and following instructions are not contradictory to roleplay. If you want to roleplay the elite general with an armada at his command, the terror of the known universe then it wont happen because you write it on your Bio. You have to go and take it from someone else blood, spit and claws like every other tin-pot-dictator and corporate strategist. Roleplayers are no less capable of this. The problem, he sole problem lies with us, because we are all unique and special little ***** snowflakes and we can't abide being joe captain of apocalypse hull number 567, we all want to be Captain Starfart, crusader against all wrongness and ugly people. If you want to compete, go and get it. EVE is unique in that you only have to be vaguely aware of the background to roleplay perfectly well. If you're talking about any aspect of the game itself you're effectively roleplaying. You only cross the line when you talk about your wife cooking the dinner or the footie last night. If you want it, find those that also want it, be prepared to be just a soldier rather than Princess Sugarlumps Butterfly Candycane Resplendant and put in the groundwork for what it is you actually want. CCP and sieges are not responsible. If you want to make an impact, go take out your enemies sovreignty and rub their noses in the **. Being a roleplayer does not make you incapable. But instead we can just stick to little teacup ego wars and face-making, enjoyable as it is. You pick the sandbox you play in when all is said and done. ~Ryoji Tanakama Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.10.24 04:34:00 - [417] Originally by: Archbishop Quote: I start to pity you , it's the second time you post here the same thing in the past 3 pages, quotes you substracted of chatsubo replies to several subjects. Different than you, I don't have no need to hide behind an hypocrite face to feel myself less or more able to play. Neither use references of peoples personal life and abuse of the information to feel myself " relevant" I think Jade was very right about you. One can only pity and avoid to feel complete loathe and try to produce a faint smaile once in a while. At least, your sandbox with the cloaked bestower is at the other side of my Universe and the block button is always active. Eve is big enough for us to live like that, thankfully. Your words speak for themselves. Your elitist attitude that we're all inferior is obvious in those words. You've made your bed Revan. Enjoy sleeping in it. Archie The fact that you continue to come here spaming and trolling posts at IGS proves exactly the contrary: what everyone wants to see is you, for once start stoping your jealousy of people atht is able to actually do something in game other than spam IGS with trolling of SF and others threads. Adding multiple smiles at your posts is what kids of 4 years old learn to do when they can't write and are encouraged to express themsleves. I hope you are over 11 years old and able to play eve at least. You already refered to the fact that I am a woman ( which clearly bothered you since the VF wars 2 years ago) already refered to the fact of my rl relationship and now you come here with arguments that the rp community is inferior when I relate to you and yours and your multiple ways of acomplishing nothing under your disguised loudmouth paraphernalia. Crying here that your character is an industrialist, posting your RL "oh so pitiful problems" at your blogs so people can pity you and justify whatever crap you throw here. I mean between us, why should we give a damn, you are just someone behind an avatar that we have the displeasure to meet at IGS. Not even in game. Anyway, let's see how many spams you will need to answer this, and how many OOC cases you will bring to your court before ISD locks this. ( As you already did the favour to degenerate the thread with your personal displays, and undoubtly it was your objective because the ops ) Originally by: ISD BH Eshtir Ps.: I also know its hard to RP whith a Cyno Jammer.
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.10.24 04:53:00 - [418] I believe Archbishop, Revan, and the PIE/Amarr vs SF/friends comment cemented the main problem with RP factions as-is. And people wonder why I dont participate in Chatsubo. Seriously, there's a reason why Estir of ISD posted his comments. They are not without truth. - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
Laerise Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.24 05:47:00 - [419] Edited by: Laerise on 24/10/2007 05:47:51 Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari I believe Archbishop, Revan, and the PIE/Amarr vs SF/friends comment cemented the main problem with RP factions as-is. And people wonder why I dont participate in Chatsubo. (Snippetysnipp) What this man/woman/person/being says. Sometimes it is like watching two bloodcrazed pitbulls struggling at each others throats.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.24 15:08:00 - [420] Edited by: Archbishop on 24/10/2007 15:16:27 Quote: I believe Archbishop, Revan, and the PIE/Amarr vs SF/friends comment cemented the main problem with RP factions as-is. And people wonder why I dont participate in Chatsubo. Don't feel bad I left there Chatsubo eons ago and haven't posted since. It's one of the best things I've ever done and increased my enjoyment of Eve immensely. I never really had a problem with Jade anyway in the manner Revan describes short of being accused of something I didn't do (claims I tried to use OOC information against him from a chat or something) and of course I was angry about that. No proof was ever offered and I've made my peace with him so we're fine. I even feel better about Jasmine and the fact I haven't posted in an SF thread in over a day is definitely progress as far as that issue goes. I'm very happy about the way the conversation with Jasmine went and I think it was the first time I ever really saw her address me OOC and tell me what her problem was. I responded and all is well so I'm very happy. As for Revan... well I'll just let her words speak for themselves. As for the smiley faces it just means I'm a happy person. I've always used them on non-IGS posts. No drama there either sorry. Archie (I'm really happy today so three smiley faces! Made a bunch of T2 BPC with invention!!!!) PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS

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