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Kw4h
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.10.20 07:52:00 -
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First off, I'm using the British spelling of rumour. Not rumor. 
During yesterday's events, a certain number of rumours spread out across the EvE community. Especially through EvE's kindergarten, #eve-online on the Coldfront IRC server. During yesterday's offline-period, Dark Shikari counted about 6 rumours, most obviously false.
Of course, rumours always stay rumours, and most people can distinguish rumours from facts. However, #eve-online is just a major exception here. It seems that every rumour thrown in the channel, is destined to be a fact.
Before I throw in the example, please note that there's a couple of minutes difference in the time settings between my pc, and the scrapheap-challenge forums 
Now, the example.
At 9:30 scrapheap-time, a user posted the explicitly mentioned 'unconfirmed' rumour, that the database manager got hit with a keylogger. *Rumour*
Nearly instantly, an Op in #eve-online, comes up with an 'official' announcement, and pastes the before-mentioned rumour in the channel. The rumour gets pasted in a txt file and gets uploaded, and afterwards linked in the MOTD of the channel. Since that moment, the rumour has been treated like it was the real Sharkbait posting that message.
I personally don't have any sources, so I asked my dear friends in #eve-dev if they could confirm it. They all LOL'd at me 
Anyway, about an hour later, it was still being treated as official message in #eve-online. Even when I posted that the message must obviously be false, the Op reacted as if I just personally insulted him. Because obviously, such a spectacular message can't be anything but false right?
Its quite funny how things went with these rumours, it just confirms that you should only believe things that are said in #eve-announce, the unofficial official place where CCP statemens are posted in case of the website not working.
My main surprise though, was how quickly such a post is taken seriously and spread about the community, giving false info and making people panic. I mean, do you really think they would rollback EvE to 3 weeks back?
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
BROTHER'S WORD
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Posted - 2007.10.20 08:41:00 -
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Yeah. The rumor was pretty bizarre. It was like... wait.. someone can "shift spawn tables over by one row" and this... is meaningful? No it's not. You know how complicated that database must be? You know how long you'd have to sit there learning how it's set up to figure out how to change something without breaking everything?
I must admit I was a sucker. I believed it cause it was posted here on eve-o right under a dev post. I was just like "wow, someone's a f-in genius with SQL and is wasting that knowledge hacking a game..."
I'm sure the truth is much less interesting though. The rumor spread cause it's fun to tell.
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Ryas Nia
Minmatar
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.20 08:42:00 -
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if people had 1/2 a brain they would have simply checked the IP/nicksrv and seen that the IP's were not CCP IP's, Nuff said.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.20 08:44:00 -
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Well, I "bought" it, for a couple of seconds, until I saw the word "officer" right after "metalevel 6".
That broke the suspension of disbelief instantly 
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Elliot Reid
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.10.20 08:55:00 -
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During the events of yesterday afternoon/evening, my Corp mates and I were discussing all the rumours on our TS and I kept saying that until it's officially posted by someone from CCP these Rollback RumoursÖ are exactly what the name implies.
The fact that Elliot just finished BC 5 the evening before and my alt is almost done on Gallente BS 5 had little to do with all my fingers and toes being crossed 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.20 08:59:00 -
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Well, the "rollback" is a running gag of sorts every time EVE crashes unexpectedly.
From my brief incursions over on #eve-online I've learned not to trust much of what the @'s in there say, always /whois, and don't even bother reading the /topic.
It's barely more useful as a magic 8-ball most of the time.
If that's supposed to be dark twisted humour, it's way too dark and twisted for me.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.10.20 09:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Akita T
If that's supposed to be dark twisted humour, it's way too dark and twisted for me.
Considering its past history (and a long-ago mention of someone who verbally attacked this channel getting griefed out of EVE), I'd say its true.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.10.20 09:55:00 -
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Here's another rumour for you.
CCP account of events is total balls. They made it up. Because we bought it last time they said the foul up was chasing exploit0rz.
50 isk says next one is due to chasing exploitz0r0r0rz too. They've found the perfect lie. They don't have to corroborate either, we just want to believe it.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.10.20 09:56:00 -
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Ye gods, I hope I haven't shaken the bowl too hard 
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.10.20 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Well, the "rollback" is a running gag of sorts every time EVE crashes unexpectedly.
On every MMO actually. Ever since the first MMO, crashes have always been associated with rollbacks.
It's fun to look people run about screaming "the sky is falling up! the sky is falling up!"
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Hoodah Thunkitt
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Posted - 2007.10.20 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ryas Nia
if people had 1/2 a brain they would have simply checked the IP/nicksrv and seen that the IP's were not CCP IP's, Nuff said.
If people had half a brain they could spell "Anatomy"?
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.10.20 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Hoodah Thunkitt
Originally by: Ryas Nia
if people had 1/2 a brain they would have simply checked the IP/nicksrv and seen that the IP's were not CCP IP's, Nuff said.
If people had half a brain they could spell "Anatomy"?
I know i don't say this often enough, and that not all are english born...but...
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prsr
Gallente
JuBa Corp
RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.20 10:57:00 -
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Maybe i'm missing something but the lines that were pasted by the alledged sharkbait impersonator do not contradict explanation given after downtime. All that seems a bit off is the implications that sharkbait mentions, which makes sense since he can't really comment on what the maintainer of the DB can or can't do to fix a situation.
Also, as I mentioned before, on a big site like TQ people need to make choices in these situations. If the tech working on the live DB can't guarantee a consistent database in a reasonable amount of time, someone else needs to be tasked to prepare a db copy from a backup that is consistent and ready to go live if all else fails. This is just how an IT operations team works, you need to create options to resolve the mess you are in.
In most cases, you shouldn't need to take the rolled back db live, but if your work on the main DB is failing and the clock keeps ticking you want to have the option to go with the backup at the drop of a hat (read: CEO's demanding a working cluster).
Of course, you can guess what happens when someone not in the operations team hears that some tech is preparing a backup db to go live.
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Kw4h
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.10.20 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hoodah Thunkitt
Originally by: Ryas Nia
if people had 1/2 a brain they would have simply checked the IP/nicksrv and seen that the IP's were not CCP IP's, Nuff said.
If people had half a brain they could spell "Anatomy"?
Now now dear, spelling doesn't have anything to do with having a half brain or not. Its just that my vocabulary isn't as complete as you native English peeps.
About the Sharkbait impersonator: He got close with that guess. But it still remains a guess. Sharkbait himself stated that he did not post that message anywhere.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.10.20 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kw4h
My main surprise though, was how quickly such a post is taken seriously and spread about the community, giving false info and making people panic.
Welcome to the real world. It's not unique to Eve - it's just human nature.
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Leonidas Rex
Amarr
FM Corp
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Posted - 2007.10.20 14:17:00 -
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Indeed, this is human nature in the works...
Why do you think people were burned for witchcraft? Because they actually were witches? Hardly..
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SghnDubh
BattleClinic
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Posted - 2007.10.20 14:39:00 -
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Not flaming ya, bud, but are you new to on-line forums?
In this thread at BattleClinic, somebody posted clearly that they had heard a rumour of hacking and quoted the source as "Polish EVE forums."
They disclaimed it as a rumour, but when people see the word "hack" and notice a post count ticking up faster than veld into Chribba's cargo containers, the speculation kicks in.
From there, others skimmed the posts, saw "hack" in a lot of them, and made the leap of logic that "if it has been repeated this often, it must be true."
This isn't an unusual dynamic; it's quite frequent on forums. It might be sub-optimal, but it happens...so...are you going to get all Sisyphus on us?
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