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Helen Hunts Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc	Posted - 2007.10.20 16:05:00 - [31] 1. Don't autopilot with high dollar loads. 2. Even in high-sec, fit sort of tank on that hauler so CONCORD has time to drop the donuts and get out there. 3. CONCORD provides consequences for offenders, not safety. 4. Read #1 again. _______________________________ Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money. Any Questions?
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.20 16:09:00 - [32] Edited by: Plutoinum on 20/10/2007 16:09:36 Originally by: Ni'ka Don't tell me about suicide kills. I know all about it. The problem is that if you SALVAGE someone ship first, and than take his cargo, you not recieving any penalties for stealing stuff in highsec! Sounds odd and not intended. So yes, I think this goes into the direction exploit. If I assume that stealing from a wreck flags you, stealing from the can after salvaging should do the same. ( I rarely pvp in empire and rarely get loot, so not 100% sure. lol )
ninjaholic Gallente Burn the Jolly Roger Phoenix Rising Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.20 16:23:00 - [33] Edited by: ninjaholic on 20/10/2007 16:25:06 Man, moaning about suicide ganking in high-sec is getting old. It's THIS simple: You autopilot ANYWHERE in the game with valuable cargo, you're taking a BIG risk. No matter where you are, you are NEVER safe, if your cargo is worth more than a battleship. If you warp to zero in a freighter, YOU ARE STILL A TARGET. Move arount the most valuable stuff in small ships, the smaller the better, and cover the small ship's lows in warp stabs, (you'll have to remove your balls first). 1.0 is only safer than 0.0, not "safe".
Transcendant One	Posted - 2007.10.20 16:25:00 - [34] Originally by: ninjaholic Edited by: ninjaholic on 20/10/2007 16:24:05 Man, moaning about suicide ganking in high-sec is getting old. It's THIS simple: You autopilot ANYWHERE in the game with valuable cargo, you're taking a BIG risk. No matter where you are, you are NEVER safe, if your cargo is worth more than a battleship. If you warp to zero in a freighter, YOU ARE STILL A TARGET. Move arount the most valuable stuff in small ships, the smaller the better, and cover the small ship's lows in warp stabs, (you'll have to remove your balls first). [font color=green]1.0[/font] is only safer than [font color=red]0.0[/font], not "safe". Read the thread.
ninjaholic Gallente Burn the Jolly Roger Phoenix Rising Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.20 16:33:00 - [35] Edited by: ninjaholic on 20/10/2007 16:35:27 The thread is clearly derailed. The topic was whether or not suicide ganking is an exploit or not. It's legal game mechanics. And I'm clearly defining that people are sick of other people not listening when they're told three times a week on the forums that you're not safe in high-sec, it's called high security for a reason, not absolute security. I'm not interested in whether people are flagged for stealing from a can, that just dropped from a salvaged ship, that just got suicide ganked, because someone thought that flying a freighter/industrial in high-sec meant they were safe, OR derailing the thread any further. Pointless arguement, as CCP aren't interested in fixing the high-sec penalties to make suicide gankers jobs harder, as they're clearly happy with the way things are. This isn't wow, there is no safe space, you are always a target, so use warp stabs, small ships and don't fly with expensive stuff bunched together. If you can do one run back and forward in a freighter, you can do 6 runs back and forward in an Iteron V, with inertial stabilisers and warp core stabs in the lows. You got lazy, and paid the price. How many more people are going to pay the price before people realise that high-sec's not safe? If people stopped assuming that suicide ganking won't happen to them, they're the perfect target for a suicide gank. The only way to STOP the suicide ganks is to stop giving them valuable targets. Get less lazy, and make sure that you to little and often runs, not everything you own in one go in an Obelisk. That's ASKING to get ganked.
Tarron Sarek Gallente Endica Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.20 16:43:00 - [36] Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 20/10/2007 16:44:01 The only problem is that the 'punishment' means nothing to the evildoer. With a revised insurance system that doesn't give payouts for being killed by Concord (which would require a smarter concord, of course), you could really say 'punished by concord'. Atm saying so is a bad joke. Very valuable goods will always be worth killing/dying for. But the current insurance system sets the bar too low. Edit: oh, and I really wish people would read properly before posting.. _________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well -
Ni'ka	Posted - 2007.10.20 16:43:00 - [37] Originally by: ninjaholic Edited by: ninjaholic on 20/10/2007 16:35:27 The thread is clearly derailed. Renamed thread specially for YOU.
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.10.20 16:45:00 - [38] How could getting killed in high sec be an exploit? Your NEVER safe, thats the beauty of EvE. Next time dont assume your safe on auto pilot and think EvE is hello kitty online. 1) Dont auto pilot 2) If your flying say a frieghter you should have an escort even if your in empire if you want to ensure safety. Just a few simple things that could have prevented your loss. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale! THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES!
Heisenburg Principle	Posted - 2007.10.20 16:48:00 - [39] Originally by: Ni'ka Edited by: Ni''ka on 20/10/2007 16:42:20 Ok. Here is a picture... I fly on autopilot in 1.0 system, getting cargo scanned by frigate. And killed by dominix. Easy to kill bumped to prevent from warping away, drones and blasters... He was killed by CONCORD, but i die first. Now we getting more. While you trying to get new ship, yours getting salvaged, so no marking for stealing loot, and cargo stolen. And agressors loot also retrieved by his gang. The End. CCP i urge you to ban all weapons and all forms of combat within eve, people are dieing out there!
Ni'ka Alfa Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.20 16:57:00 - [40] Originally by: Heisenburg Principle CCP i urge you to ban all weapons and all forms of combat within eve, people are dieing out there! OMG! How fummy! I'm just dying... I LIVE in 0.0. And then i go to "safe" empire space i want protection... If you so smart, make war-dec, and kill if you can. And get ready to face consequences.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:00:00 - [41] Originally by: Ni'ka Originally by: Heisenburg Principle CCP i urge you to ban all weapons and all forms of combat within eve, people are dieing out there! OMG! How fummy! I'm just dying... I LIVE in 0.0. And then i go to "safe" empire space Since when has empire been "safe". I've yet to see a single developer say that, however they have said quite the contrary. ___________ Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up. Zaqar> CCP
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:08:00 - [42] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Jenny Spitfire If it is allowed, why not you go hunt a single hauler pilot and take his stuffs until he doesn't log in anymore? I am sure it is very legal. IT IS. And we're not even talking about doing this repeatedly, we're talking about randomly killing someone in high-sec for his cargo. There's no harassment going on because he wasn't picked because of his identity. I must agree with Tarminic here. Repeatedly suicide ganking somebody is harrasment and a bannable offense. Randomly killing some guy because he was stupid enough to autopilot an untanked Iteron loaded with cargo through a trade hub is just profit. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Ni'ka Alfa Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:15:00 - [43] Originally by: Acoco Osiris Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I must agree with Tarminic here. Repeatedly suicide ganking somebody is harrasment and a bannable offense. Why it should be ??
Horatio Nately Caldari 808 Enterprises The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:20:00 - [44] Originally by: Ni'ka I fly on autopilot in 1.0 system I found your problem. --------------------------------------- CEO 808 Enterprises, A Hawaii, USA Playercorp channel 808 ingame
Nadjar WING MAN INC	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:24:00 - [45] LIES!! Hisec space is totally safe, no-one ever dies in 0.5+ _____________ No sig here, move along.
Keirt	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:24:00 - [46] Ah but it would be an exploit if the attacker is using a Domi and sets his drones out to attack, you tank till concord shows up, but they only kill the domi and not the drones, you were able to tank the Orge IIs till that point, but even after the Domi is gone the drones are still attacking. You cant say that because concord wont kill drones atm isnt an exploit.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:27:00 - [47] Originally by: Keirt Ah but it would be an exploit if the attacker is using a Domi and sets his drones out to attack, you tank till concord shows up, but they only kill the domi and not the drones, you were able to tank the Orge IIs till that point, but even after the Domi is gone the drones are still attacking. You cant say that because concord wont kill drones atm isnt an exploit. Kill the ship, the drones deactivate. Learn your stuff before you begin making accusations. ___________ Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up. Zaqar> CCP
Megadon Caldari Deathshead Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:29:00 - [48] Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 20/10/2007 16:09:36 Originally by: Ni'ka Don't tell me about suicide kills. I know all about it. The problem is that if you SALVAGE someone ship first, and than take his cargo, you not recieving any penalties for stealing stuff in highsec! Sounds odd and not intended. So yes, I think this goes into the direction exploit. If I assume that stealing from a wreck flags you, stealing from the can after salvaging should do the same. ( I rarely pvp in empire and rarely get loot, so not 100% sure. lol ) Agreed, you should be flagged regardless of when you take the loot... either before or after salvage I thought. Just because you salvaged first I did'nt think made any diff. Exploit? --------------
Ni'ka Alfa Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.20 17:34:00 - [49] Originally by: DubanFP Kill the ship, the drones deactivate. Learn your stuff before you begin making accusations. Yes, the point of using domi, is reduce agro \ damage for the drone owner.
3535325385hdgsbndgsdjg	Posted - 2007.10.20 19:26:00 - [50] Originally by: Ni'ka Originally by: 3535325385hdgsbndgsdjg Learn that 1.0 does not mean you are safe. Autopiloting expensive goods in a regular slow frigate is a great idea. Even if you warp @ 0km it takes 5 second you kill a hauler in a BS Not sure why you quoted me.
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.20 19:31:00 - [51] Doesn't CONCORD insta-pop drones now? I thought they did make that change, because drones surviving meant that you could use T2 Ogres and expect them to survive. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Zarrika Khan Caldari No Quarter. Academy Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.10.20 19:35:00 - [52] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 20/10/2007 16:01:22 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire If it is allowed, why not you go hunt a single hauler pilot and take his stuffs until he doesn't log in anymore? I am sure it is very legal. Funny thing is you kicked yourself in the ass with this one. That's totally legit, and people SHOULD be able to do it. I mean they shouldn't do it from a moral point of view, but they should at least be able to if they wanted to.<snip> DubanFP, Your sig pretty much sums up this thread. The option to shoot ANYONE is there for EVERYONE, anywhere, anytime. Sure you may have to live with consequences like Concord, Sec Status and my personal favorite: Forum Whines. But it is a sacrafice I am willing to make. Mmmmm hmmmm
ninjaholic Gallente Burn the Jolly Roger Phoenix Rising Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.21 12:49:00 - [53] Originally by: Ni'ka Renamed thread specially for YOU. Thanks! ^^ Originally by: Tarron Sarek and I really wish people would read properly before posting.. That @ me? I did read the thread, and it got derailed. And it's comments like yours that derailed it. My post was directed at the original post, not the subsequent and off-topic discussion. And for a good reason. IF Ni'ka wasn't autopiloting in high-sec, with valuable cargo, then the high-sec suicide gank would never have happened. Regardless of the lax penalties for suicide gankers, if you give them a target, IT WILL STILL HAPPEN, and will always pay out for the gankers. Even if you remove the insurance payout for CONCORD suicide ganks, if the cargo's worth anything, it'll still happen. Why are you people even debating the idea? This game is NOT SAFE, if you want to hide somewhere, go play another MMORPG. I don't care what sec space you're in, if you're not ready to lose it, don't undock in it. If you have to move ridiculous amounts of valuable cargo, do it in small loads, and short trips. Changing the game dynamics regarding insurance payouts ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. Stop whining, and start getting SMARTER. If your cargo's worth anything, and you're not packing security, you're the perfect target for a suicide gank squad. Fly SMART, fly safe. Otherwise you're toast.
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.10.21 12:57:00 - [54] Getting suicide ganked in hi sec sux, but, ur 2nd sentence starts with the words 'I fly on autopilot in 1.0 system' so don't expect a lot of sympathy. So what was it u were transporting? bpo's? in a frig or something? CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Ni'ka Alfa Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.21 17:41:00 - [55] Originally by: 000Hunter000 So what was it u were transporting? bpo's? in a frig or something? It was some T2 components... worth around 120m... In 1 stack...
Crazy Broad	Posted - 2007.10.21 17:51:00 - [56] Originally by: Abrazzar Say, if I put my cargo in a secure container and password lock it, the pirates aren't able to open it, even if they scoop it from my wreck, right? So if I am correct, this should be the solution for all highsec suicide ganking. Doesnt work anymore, they repackage it, they can also scan you and see whats inside it. ------------------------------ Originally by: Captian Internet This thread isn't delivery its digorno
Cassius Longinus Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.10.21 23:06:00 - [57] My advice to Ni'ka: Follow your hauler with a cheap cruiser. Someone pops your hauler, you pop the wreck. Misery loves company. What I DO wish is that kill rights were transferable or something, but that is neither here nor there.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.21 23:19:00 - [58] A ship carrying something valuable enough to risk being suicided should have a full rack of WCS in the lows and shield extenders in the mids.
angggggry	Posted - 2007.10.22 00:26:00 - [59] ive yet tooooo seeeeeeeeeee people that are not aaaaaaaaauto[pillloting to gettttt suicideeeeeeeeeeed
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2007.10.22 00:40:00 - [60] Originally by: Esmenet Originally by: Jenny Spitfire If it is allowed, why not you go hunt a single hauler pilot and take his stuffs until he doesn't log in anymore? I am sure it is very legal. You are allowed to do that, but its rather pointless unless you got a big grudge against that player. If the hauler gets frustrated he should ask for help to fight back. Actually you're not allowed to do that. Singling out a sprcific player repeatedly does fall under harassment, and will get you in trouble. ~Ryoji Tanakama Daikoku Fleet Shipyards

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