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Ni'ka
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:17:00 -
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Ok. Here is a picture...
I fly on autopilot in 1.0 system, getting cargo scanned by frigate. And killed by dominix. Easy to kill bumped to prevent from warping away, drones and blasters... He was killed by CONCORD, but i die first.
Now we getting more. While you trying to get new ship, yours getting salvaged, so no marking for stealing loot, and cargo stolen. And agressors loot also retrieved by his gang.
The End.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:20:00 -
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Ok.
Sounds like a perfectly legitimate game mechanic.
CONCORD PUNISHED the offender. Offender has friends they picked up the loot.
Moving on....
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Morn Judith
Caldari
Sovereigns of Destiny
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Ni'ka
Ok. Here is a picture...
I fly on autopilot in 1.0 system, getting cargo scanned by frigate. And killed by dominix. Easy to kill bumped to prevent from warping away, drones and blasters... He was killed by CONCORD, but i die first.
Now we getting more. While you trying to get new ship, yours getting salvaged, so no marking for stealing loot, and cargo stolen. And agressors loot also retrieved by his gang.
The End.
No exploit. Thats how it is. The price for him attacking you was losing his ship. He lost his ship. You lost your cargo. Get used to it, because theres a huge amount of money to be made in suicide ganking.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Kaar
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ni'ka
Ok. Here is a picture...
I fly on autopilot in 1.0 system, getting cargo scanned by frigate. And killed by dominix. Easy to kill bumped to prevent from warping away, drones and blasters... He was killed by CONCORD, but i die first.
Now we getting more. While you trying to get new ship, yours getting salvaged, so no marking for stealing loot, and cargo stolen. And agressors loot also retrieved by his gang.
The End.
Epic story.
Can't wait for the movie.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:26:00 -
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Sorry for you Ni'ka. I feel your loss :(
In my opinion, I say it is a legal exploit because they are killed by Concord but you still lose your stuffs and loot.
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Ni'ka
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:26:00 -
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Don't tell me about suicide kills. I know all about it.
The problem is that if you SALVAGE someone ship first, and than take his cargo, you not recieving any penalties for stealing stuff in highsec!
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari
Ascent of Ages
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:30:00 -
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Dont fly afk with a cargo worth killing you for.
The only part of the equation thats not logical is the pirate gets reimbursed for his ship after concorde kills him. Apart from that? see my first comment. |
SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:32:00 -
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It's not an exploit. It is a bit meta-gamey when they use newbie corp alts though.
There's also an ongoing campaign to have insurance not pay out if you're popped by Concord.
That probably just pushes the point at which it's worthwhile popping you upwards a bit which may or may not be a "fix".
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I fly on autopilot in 1.0 system
Don't.
Everyone and their dog locking you in and around tradehubs (some of them use passive targeters but they still probably need to run sensorboosters) should be the giveaway here.
If your cargo is worth their loss for blowing you up then you are definitely at risk.
The number of items probably plays a part since I think each item has it's own % chance of getting blown up so ten items worth 20m is probably > one item worth 220m.
There's also the opportunity cost involved in ganking a specific ship as opposed to the next one along which might have a more valuable cargo since I assume it takes a certain amount of time to get another ship to their camp spot.
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ArmyOfMe
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ni'ka
The problem is that if you SALVAGE someone ship first, and than take his cargo, you not recieving any penalties for stealing stuff in highsec!
That actually sounds like a exploit tbh, petition it and see is the only advice i can give you
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3535325385hdgsbndgsdjg
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:39:00 -
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Learn that 1.0 does not mean you are safe. Autopiloting expensive goods in a regular slow frigate is a great idea.
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Ni'ka
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:39:00 -
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Anyway... he's going too loose his ship twice... I got killright, and now he's going to meet something less harmless than Iteron...
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:40:00 -
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you get an agro timer for the loot theft even if they salvage the wreck first
I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear
What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan! |
Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I say it is a legal exploit
contradiction in terms no?
its just legal. (in game mechanic terms)
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ni'ka
Anyway... he's going too loose his ship twice... I got killright, and now he's going to meet something less harmless than Iteron...
Thats the spirit, go and BBQ him.
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Ni'ka
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme
you get an agro timer for the loot theft even if they salvage the wreck first
And??? 15 minute criminal ... just sit docked
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe
Originally by: Ni'ka
The problem is that if you SALVAGE someone ship first, and than take his cargo, you not recieving any penalties for stealing stuff in highsec!
That actually sounds like a exploit tbh, petition it and see is the only advice i can give you
Doesnt the can that drops after salvaging retain the same ownership as the wreck had before? If so looting will give the normal penalty.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:49:00 -
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If it wasnt' supposed to be this way they wouldn't be able to do it now would they? Legitiment
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ni'ka
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
you get an agro timer for the loot theft even if they salvage the wreck first
And??? 15 minute criminal ... just sit docked
and, if had an escort to scoop/defend your can, or actually tanked your itty a single domi couldnt have brought you down before he was concordokkened
you wouldn't be whining right now
I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear
What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan! |
Ni'ka
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: 3535325385hdgsbndgsdjg
Learn that 1.0 does not mean you are safe. Autopiloting expensive goods in a regular slow frigate is a great idea.
Even if you warp @ 0km it takes 5 second you kill a hauler in a BS
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:52:00 -
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Legal exploit is legal exploit.
It is allowed to an extent if it is not intentional griefing but exploit because it is a badly thought of game mechanic.
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Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng.
I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 20/10/2007 15:54:05
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Legal exploit is legal exploit.
It is allowed to an extent if it is not intentional griefing but exploit because it is a badly thought of game mechanic.
Or it was intentional. Why else would they have a system like this LOL. That and you used to not even nessissarily lose your ship to concord in early EVE. At one point even a good frigate setup could tank them long enough to dock.
Old Jenny > New Jenny
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Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up.
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Atavachron
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:57:00 -
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Insurance should be removed for suicide ganking, but suicide ganking per-se is perfectly within the rules, but how to do that without screwing over legit loses???
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Legal exploit is legal exploit.
It is allowed to an extent if it is not intentional griefing but exploit because it is a badly thought of game mechanic.
No Jenny, they did it this way intentionally, otherwise there wouldn't be varying response times depending on the security level of the system. We also have several developers who have commented on the fact that they did it intentionally.
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it accidental.
Also, by definition there is no such thing as a legal exploit.
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Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.20 15:59:00 -
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If it is allowed, why not you go hunt a single hauler pilot and take his stuffs until he doesn't log in anymore? I am sure it is very legal.
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Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng.
I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 20/10/2007 16:01:22
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
If it is allowed, why not you go hunt a single hauler pilot and take his stuffs until he doesn't log in anymore? I am sure it is very legal.
Funny thing is you kicked yourself in the ass with this one. That's totally legit, and people SHOULD be able to do it. I mean they shouldn't do it from a moral point of view, but they should at least be able to if they wanted to.
Don't like it? Do us all a favor and leave.
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Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:02:00 -
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griefing isnt an exploit jenny, nor does griefing imply the game mechanics USED to grief are an exploit 
to the rest of you, stop feeding her so she just goes away 
I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear
What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan! |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:03:00 -
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Say, if I put my cargo in a secure container and password lock it, the pirates aren't able to open it, even if they scoop it from my wreck, right? So if I am correct, this should be the solution for all highsec suicide ganking.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 20/10/2007 16:03:48
Originally by: Abrazzar
Say, if I put my cargo in a secure container and password lock it, the pirates aren't able to open it, even if they scoop it from my wreck, right? So if I am correct, this should be the solution for all highsec suicide ganking.
They can just repackage it, gaining everything that was inside. No, that's not an exploit either.
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Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
If it is allowed, why not you go hunt a single hauler pilot and take his stuffs until he doesn't log in anymore? I am sure it is very legal.
IT IS.
And we're not even talking about doing this repeatedly, we're talking about randomly killing someone in high-sec for his cargo. There's no harassment going on because he wasn't picked because of his identity.
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Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
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Esmenet
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
If it is allowed, why not you go hunt a single hauler pilot and take his stuffs until he doesn't log in anymore? I am sure it is very legal.
You are allowed to do that, but its rather pointless unless you got a big grudge against that player. If the hauler gets frustrated he should ask for help to fight back.
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