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Jayad
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Posted - 2004.02.25 01:26:00 -
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Sorry you feel that way Frank,
I can however (In a very loose way) bring myself to simpathise with your problem. Battleships should not be seen as the only pvp ship worth having, but i think this proves the kind of perception some players may have.
The gameplay is at fault not you.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.02.25 01:36:00 -
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The mapnerfing was a bloody brilliant idea.
As for the battleships, the tier two costs what, 25M or so to replace now with the default insurance covering half, if you're not hardcore PvP it's not even worth insuring as you're likely to make that much money before you lose the ship anyways and throwing the money that cost away on added security... The meek shall payeth the bill.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.25 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Skillz on 25/02/2004 01:55:19
Why not? The battleships are the most common ship of the fleets, they are used as frigates. Let's have some PvP fun with them, but make the tech level 2 series of ships so good that two or three frigs can toast them at ease.
Let's relegate techlevel 1 battleships to be mining boats. Let them form their own class of ships, civilian boats with all carebear modules like warp core stabilizers and micro warp drives and abolish them for 'military' vessels.
Thereby the carebear stuff strutters that are not interested in PvP can have their things to play with without ruining everything what inter ship class balancing means.
Then we can start fresh with frigs to be the main ship of the fleet and cruisers & battleships to be capitol units but is to support fleet strike forces.
But the CCP has to fix the lag.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Azamien
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Posted - 2004.02.25 02:27:00 -
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PVP shouldn't be an activity that just happens for the hell of it, either. That would make it Quake-in-space just as much as free ships.
Corps/alliances at war. Pirates. Retribution against pirates. Those are good reasons for PVP.
Just saying "Oh, I want to go kill a player for no reason now" isn't a terribly good reason.
Right now, it's somewhat balanced. Most players have to think real hard about engaging in PVP if they have an expensive ship and don't have the resources to immediately replace it. That's the way it should be.
Leave ship prices where they are. Right now the game has an ok balance between opportunities for non-PVPers and PVPers alike. (Sure, it could be a little better, but for that you'd need to reprogram the brains of idiot griefers that kill just because they can.) If everyone can have the best ship cheaply, then all you'll have is throw-away battles that mean nothing other than another Quake-kid getting off on killing the helpless.
Think anyone would care about those Space Invaders or m0o videos if everyone could stage battles like that? If they were a daily occurance in all parts of space? Nope.
Lowering BS prices is one of the worst... ideas... ever.
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Nootami
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Posted - 2004.02.25 02:27:00 -
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* Joshua Calvert rubs his eyes in disbelief and disagreement
If you can't afford to lose a battleship, don't fly one.
S i m p l e.
Completely agree.
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Torvus Jay
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Posted - 2004.02.25 02:36:00 -
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Very Bad idea.
Go play counter strike please
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.25 02:44:00 -
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We do play Conterstrike, it's fun really. But we miss the whining.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Carmen Electra
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Posted - 2004.02.25 03:02:00 -
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We do play Conterstrike, it's fun really. But we miss the whining.
I bet you use j00lz MetaCheat 4.7.1 
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.25 03:32:00 -
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Are you suggesting we need cheats to kill people? Well, in CS you don't have insta teleport markers or run 12,000 times faster.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Carmen Electra
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Posted - 2004.02.25 03:33:00 -
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Are you suggesting we need cheats to kill people? Well, in CS you don't have insta teleport markers or run 12,000 times faster.
admin_teleport 
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.25 03:36:00 -
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We do play Conterstrike, it's fun really. But we miss the whining.
I bet you use j00lz MetaCheat 4.7.1
What are you doing, trying to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt you have the same level of intellect as a person that would marry Dennis Rodman? 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.25 03:52:00 -
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Yes, Jash. How does it feel to be fragged by such people?
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.25 04:02:00 -
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Yes, Jash. How does it feel to be fragged by such people?
Dunno, Skillz. When I play FPS, I stick with the Rainbow 6 line 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Carmen Electra
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Posted - 2004.02.25 04:29:00 -
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Edited by: Carmen Electra on 25/02/2004 04:40:30
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What are you doing, trying to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt you have the same level of intellect as a person that would marry Dennis Rodman?
Carmen is my character, not me. Why are you attacking my intellect, you don't know me. *snipped* by myself to avoid being a troll. But still, you are attacking my character, which is pretty lame
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.02.25 06:20:00 -
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Yes lets ask CCP to lower the cost of ships, or even better eyt lets have it like that, you buy one ship and if you die you get the ship back free of charge.
Come on man, peaple play this game because it is diffirent from other carebear land games where you loose nothing when you die other than your pride.
People who want to make PVP even less exciting go play another god damn game.
I mean whats the point of wars when it means nothing, you can kill your enemy 100 times and he wouldnt even notice it in his wallet.
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Arima Todai
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Posted - 2004.02.25 06:30:00 -
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* Joshua Calvert rubs his eyes in disbelief and disagreement
If you can't afford to lose a battleship, don't fly one.
S i m p l e.
Yup. But battleships shouldn't be reserved for people sitting in 0.0 space camping arkanon all day. Even at 25 million, battleships wouldn't be easy at all to replace!
We at Celes never mine, if fact its frowned upon.. it should be hard to get a BS the first time around, after your first if you cant get into another by doing something other then mining then you need to learn more about the game.
The problem with your idea is that if the price of BS's drop so then do the price of high end minerals which ends up messing up the entire market..
I think the main problem with all of this is that BS's have become the be all end all of ships and no longer/or never did have a specific role in combat(as they should have), they've already started it with castor and sig radius and resolutions but ships need more distinguishable roles, so an experienced frig or cruiser pilot can have as much fun and as much of a role in combat as the next guy.
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Omniwar
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Posted - 2004.02.25 06:40:00 -
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Also on a side note, it is very hard to loose a battleship, in almost all cases it is 100% mistake or by a bug wich results in a ship loss, mistakes are meant to be learned from and bugs should be compensated for.
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Gaiam
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Posted - 2004.02.25 07:53:00 -
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battleships should be 2x what they are now. players who dont belong to a corps who can provide battleships or have the skills themselves to obtain should not have. thats part of the pvp aspect of the game. ccp has basically now lowered the price of them to what you need anyways with default insurance, which sucks in my opinion.
it should be more difficult to obtain battleships not easier. you say if bs were 20m youd do pvp all the time, well im sorta glad not every dude who wants to "blow **** up" has the ability or the drive to keep themselves equipped with the tools.
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Tank CEO
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Posted - 2004.02.25 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Tank CEO on 25/02/2004 07:59:41
You people are spoiled, BS are suppost to be rare, go fight in a cruiser. Well, im spoiled too, I wont fly anything cept for a Raven 
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Soul Reaver
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Posted - 2004.02.25 08:39:00 -
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If you make everything easily acheivable in a game then the game soon dies (Or turns into Quake) and then dies! Whats wrong with working hard to get one? Hell I earnt all my own Battleships and pay for all my replacements when I lose one in combat to!
I dont think ive ever seen our corp wallet over 1 isk ROFL there are only 5 of us afterall. We are very very indepoendant players. Yes we get paid for services ahhemmm nuff said about that matey!!! but when I started and before I joined CUlt I was playing Solo working towards a Battleship. It was a great acheivement when I got one (for me)
RPG's are a bit like the lottery.
You dream about winning it and then when you do you realise that without a core centre to who you are, having everything gets very very boring very very quickly because it has no meaning! RPG are no different. Go for the quick fix and thats all you'll get from the game! A quick fix and then your done :)
Be you a Pirate or a Simple Alt creeper! Sooner or later you'll dance with Soul Reaver and His Amazing Underpants
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Jav Rendei
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Posted - 2004.02.25 08:49:00 -
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FFS, I swear if ppl keep complaining about this being too hard, or that being too expensive, this game is gonna end up like another Trammelized Ultima Online where death and loss mean ABSOLUTLY NOTHING 
EVE is NOT your average run-of-the-mill MMORPG. There are severe consequences to loss which sets this game aside from the rest. If you don't like those consequences go play something else instead of trying to dumb the game down for the rest of us.
If you can't afford to lose a Battleship, stick to Cruisers. A Cruiser in the hands of someone who knows what he/she's doing can be very effective in combat - especially if you work as a team.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.02.25 08:56:00 -
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Are you suggesting we need cheats to kill people? Well, in CS you don't have insta teleport markers or run 12,000 times faster.
And in CS you don't have unarmed people walking about either transferring their hard earned stuff do we Skillz...
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Aelius
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Posted - 2004.02.25 09:46:00 -
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Admiral Akbar: "It's a trap!!!"
Lando Calrissian: "Hummm... Who cares Admiral?! We can have a new rebel fleet in no time with BS costing 25 Mil  "
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Jequan
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Posted - 2004.02.25 11:04:00 -
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BS are too common allready i say.
Much too common. In PvP everyone flys one.
Coll combat would be: Frigates and cruisers fighting and when a BS enteres combat everyone nearly ****es his pants looking at that enormous ship. As it is now BS are nothing special and really... you can earn one quick.
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Jorlin
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Posted - 2004.02.25 11:17:00 -
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another way to make BS more rare might be to increase the time to build one drastically.
4 hours is way to fast...make it 4 days maybe. then let research for production time have a REAL impact...not like 5 minutes max.
this way in huge and long wars the destruction of a BS might have some effect. wars would have to be better prepared. maybe the profit for shipbuilders would even rise...because there is another factor to count in besides the pure worth of minerals.
but on the other hand....i didn't think about it for long and it wouldn't work because of all the factors and possibilities i didn't count in. ;)
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Miri Tirzan
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Posted - 2004.02.25 11:19:00 -
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I have to say that this is easily the worst suggestion I have heard in a while. Battleships are suppost to be hard to get and I happen to think that they are too easy to get, not to hard.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Nighthawk
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Posted - 2004.02.25 11:32:00 -
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this is a total joke, battleships are the only ship u ever see anymore anyway......
and as for this:
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you cant pvp in a kestrel in 0.0. believe me, ive tried. Quote:
quite frankly that just shows your ignorance, cause i regularly fly frigates pvp in 0.0. sure i die a fair amount, but its not gonna cost me the earth to replace my ship.
the main problem with battleships imo isnt really the cost (its ok as it is, possibly a bit cheap imo) but the fact that for a vast portion of the eve population there appears to be no use for smaller ships, as everyone seems to think bigger is better.
all i can say is roll on the rest of the elite frigs..... hopefully the addition of frigs that are a threat to capital ships might mean we actually start to see balanced fleet composition.
either way, reducing the cost of battleships is just silly.....
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