Originally by: LordChaos

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i think caps are the only thing good with Amarr now.

anyone got a extra Avatar ? :)

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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Originally by: Dah' Khanid

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This is player democracy as it should be, the countless amarr threads all say something more or less relevant, but what CCP can't ignore is the fact that amarr players want some of the same abilities as other races have, and that the abilities many amarr ships have right now not are the specified ones that most players want and would like to play with.

CCP don't let our skill points go to waste and have us train for another race simply because you choose to ignore a problem that a lot of players have tried to make you notice for some time now.

Log in, fly the apoc for 10mins, and then fix it.

/signed

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this is NOT A player democracy!! This is CCP game, as any other product in the world. They do what they want, what we can do is ASK!!!!

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Originally by: Asmodean Reborn

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Suggestions...

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Originally by: Dah' Khanid

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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Originally by: Dah' Khanid

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This is player democracy as it should be, the countless amarr threads all say something more or less relevant, but what CCP can't ignore is the fact that amarr players want some of the same abilities as other races have, and that the abilities many amarr ships have right now not are the specified ones that most players want and would like to play with.

CCP don't let our skill points go to waste and have us train for another race simply because you choose to ignore a problem that a lot of players have tried to make you notice for some time now.

Log in, fly the apoc for 10mins, and then fix it.

/signed

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this is NOT A player democracy!! This is CCP game, as any other product in the world. They do what they want, what we can do is ASK!!!!

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I know where you're getting at, and I agree with you. Democracy in this context was not meant to be "direct democracy" where CCP should just do the majority's bidding. It's just such a buzz word, and I used it because I really think that CCP has let down a large majority in EVE which has been complaining about amarr compared to other races.

It's to a certain extend CCP's responsibility to make a balanced change, I still trust in them to do that, but it's the community's job to make CCP aware of certain problems, and I truly believe that a game experience is much, much richer when the community and the developers work together to make a great game, but also changes to this, based on constructive criticism and input from the entire community. One man's voice may not count for much on these forums, but a lot of them certainly do, and there have been plenty of voices to be heard in these Amarr discussions

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Originally by: Kruel

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Originally by: Kerdrak

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Another funny fact is that Kronos can use lasers with the same DPS and CAP use as Paladin. And being capable of deploying 5 heavy drones, makes Kronos better Pulse boat than Paladin

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You serious? If true that's just wrong.

And ROFL at the flying wheelchair comment.

Flying Amarr is like running in the special Olympics. Even if you win you're still ********.

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Originally by: Letifer Deus

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Give the apoc a 5% PG boost and it's fine

7x MB2s
1x DHB2 (just run crystal 1 range higher)

heavy cap booster 2
tracking comp 2
optical tracking comp 2
SB 2

2x LAR2s
internal forcefield
2x EAN2s
heat sink 2
co-pro 2

2x ancillaries
aux nano pump

I think if you were actually able to test this setup, you'd find that the DHP2 you are able to squeeze in with a 5% PG boost makes all the difference. Equal turret DPS to a mega w/725 T2, and less than 9% lower DPS when adjusted to make equal optimal (basically, going down one crystal). Sure, the mega has 5 drones and the apoc only 3, but the apoc also has WAY more cap and better tracking. Many other amarr ships that are lacking are much like this (others are more complicated), a simple PG boost (even a small one) can make a big difference.
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Originally by: Letifer Deus

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*snip* stuff comment about lasers having better tracking *snip*

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Originally by: Letifer Deus

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Edited by: Letifer Deus on 26/10/2007 00:17:50

Originally by: Asmodean Reborn

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Suggestions...

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The reason lasers "use so much power" is because they are friggin' lasers. They fire beams of energy. The OTHER reason is that amarr, whether you or anyone likes it or not (I do), are supposed to be plate tankers (hence the armor resistance bonuses and armor hp bonuses), thus sustaining cap for an active tank isn't really part of the design process. So stop whining about cap recharge, go buy a set of slave implants and start plate tanking like a pro.

And no, lasers do not need a damage bonus, that would be plain stupid. Any real damage increase is going to yet again put armageddons , along with the abbadon, into make-blasters-worthless zone. Even a 5% dmg bonus to lasers means a 3xHS2 MP2 arma is only 80dps short of a 3xMS2 Neut2 blasterthron and I'm going to guess by "decent amount" you mean more like 10%. No.

What amarr needs is a PG boost on some ships. There is something wrong when a mega with 7x 425 2s has 2834.5 pg left and an apoc fitting MB2s has less PG remaining even if it leaves one turret slot empty. This is the reason why amarr suck overall. There are other problems, like stupid ship designs, but when looking at the big picture, it's the fact that they can't fit ****. Their turrets do fine damage (amarr are supposed to be masters of the mid range), but they cant fit the dang things while still maintaining a practical setup.

Give the apoc a 5% PG boost and it's fine

7x MB2s
1x DHB2 (just run crystal 1 range higher)

heavy cap booster 2
tracking comp 2
optical tracking comp 2
SB 2

2x LAR2s
internal forcefield
2x EAN2s
heat sink 2
co-pro 2

2x ancillaries
aux nano pump

I think if you were actually able to test this setup, you'd find that the DHP2 you are able to squeeze in with a 5% PG boost makes all the difference. Equal turret DPS to a mega w/725 T2, and less than 9% lower DPS when adjusted to make equal optimal (basically, going down one crystal). Sure, the mega has 5 drones and the apoc only 3, but the apoc also has WAY more cap and better tracking. Many other amarr ships that are lacking are much like this (others are more complicated), a simple PG boost (even a small one) can make a big difference.

The other big area where I find lasers lacking is in the spread of damage across the two damage types. Now, I am NOT saying I am a proponent of making it so radio is anywhere near equal between em and thermal. Amarr are intended to be the king of midrange. It is not a coincidence that pulses have the greatest range of the short range weapons and beams have the shortest range of the high range weapons. However, that doesn't mean they have to be completely screwed out of the long range fleet battles via stupid damages. Radio L should be adjusted to 16/4 (If I remember correctly, isn't this what it was pre-nerf?) and the rest of the T1 crystals should be calculated based on this. Aurora L should be changed from 20/12 to 18/14.

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Originally by: Shirazz

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/signed

I have been training two years for what would appear to be a yellow piece of crap and as for the lack of dev input on the matter, that just sayd it all. Please, you can see the small percentage of the community that play amarr are very, very unhappy, do somthing about it beofre you lose them.

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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari

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Cmon CCP, even just a "amarr work as intended" would silence a lot of amarr fliers, though they'd most likely be forced to respec, or quit

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Originally by: Kerdrak

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Another funny fact is that Kronos can use lasers with the same DPS and CAP use as Paladin. And being capable of deploying 5 heavy drones, makes Kronos better Pulse boat than Paladin

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Originally by: Letifer Deus

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And no, lasers do not need a damage bonus, that would be plain stupid. Any real damage increase is going to yet again put armageddons , along with the abbadon, into make-blasters-worthless zone. Even a 5% dmg bonus to lasers means a 3xHS2 MP2 arma is only 80dps short of a 3xMS2 Neut2 blasterthron and I'm going to guess by "decent amount" you mean more like 10%. No.

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Originally by: Hastur DragonTooth

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CCP should give the guy in charge of balancing amarr a raise. He's doing such a swell job!

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Originally by: Alyxa Mahan

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Originally by: Kerdrak

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Another funny fact is that Kronos can use lasers with the same DPS and CAP use as Paladin. And being capable of deploying 5 heavy drones, makes Kronos better Pulse boat than Paladin

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You mean the Redeemer, not the Kronos.

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Originally by: Hastur DragonTooth

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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari

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Cmon CCP, even just a "amarr work as intended" would silence a lot of amarr fliers, though they'd most likely be forced to respec, or quit

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They already commented on this. The dev's believed that the Amarr needed some "oomph" as they put it. They then proceeded to "improve" the curse and pilgrim in the last patch. Now the next patch will add some "oomph" to the arbitrator by removing it's long range setup, along with the crapoc in it's T2 variant tractor beam bonus.

Just wait for the next patch when they "improve" the abba and the harbi. After all, they're the only two inferior ships we have left! CCP should give the guy in charge of balancing amarr a raise. He's doing such a swell job!

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Originally by: Shirazz

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/signed

I have been training two years for what would appear to be a yellow piece of crap. And as for the lack of dev input on the matter, that just said it all. Please, you can see the small percentage of the community that play Amarr are very, very unhappy. Do something about it beofre you lose them.

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