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Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:13:00 - [1] Please remove this poor idea. Nerfing the Myrmidon is bad enough, but the Eos is a command ship, an elite battlecruiser requiring months of training. It's supposed to be powerful. But now, it has considerably less damage than a HAC (as the Ishtar still has its full drone ability). And it has less gun damage than its T1 battlecruiser equivalent! While the Vulture and Claymore have their issues, at least they're clearly better than the T1 ship! For those who don't have access: 1) Bandwidth nerfed to 75m3 of drones. 2) Bonus drone bay size nerfed from 50m3/level to 15m3/level. 3) 2 turrets removed, to 5 instead of 7.
Angor The JORG Corporation Methods of Mayhem Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:25:00 - [2] where's this? _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:26:00 - [3] Oh wow, now it only does three times the DPS of the other fleet commands instead of five times as much? QQ more.
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:36:00 - [4] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 23/10/2007 19:36:55 Originally by: Xequecal Oh wow, now it only does three times the DPS of the other fleet commands instead of five times as much? QQ more. From a range of zero km. Which is nice if you're compensating for size issues with large quickfit numbers, but in real combat, the Eos was just fine. The only balance changes we needed were: 1) Vulture gets 7 turrets (6 at absolute minimum) to match the newly fixed Ferox, along with grid/cpu/cap to use them. 2) Claymore gets some improvement (likely removing the split weapon layout like the Vulture) based on the newly fixed Cyclone. I'll let the people who actually fly the ship decide just what fix they want.
Banzai OdiN Caldari Species 5618 R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:43:00 - [5] Fix the myrmidon give it it's drone bay back and wtf is up with the Keres 's drone bay put it on par with the Sentinal
Jinmie	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Xequecal Oh wow, now it only does three times the DPS of the other fleet commands instead of five times as much? QQ more. What are you on about noob? Vulture can do 500 dps with Neutron Blasters, 400 with Heavy Assault Launchers. (hobgobs) Claymore does 500 with 220's and Heavy Missile Launchers (hammer / hobgobs) Damnation does 400 with Heavy Assaults and 2 Heavy Pulses (hobgobs) And Eos will do 500 with 5 Ion's 2Ogre, 2Hammer 1 Hobgob. I'd call that pretty balanced not 3x more instead of 5x more, of course I didn't expect you to have a clue. And balanced? well the Claymore with that fit has a 750dps tank, Damnation 750 active tank or 300k of effective hp with 40k hp @ giga resists, Vulture a 700 active tank or passive and the Eos has a 600 dps tank. Sooo.....
Banzai OdiN Caldari Species 5618 R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.23 19:51:00 - [7] Originally by: Banzai OdiN Fix the myrmidon give it it's drone bay back and wtf is up with the Keres 's drone bay put it on par with the Sentinal Also fix the ishkur while your at it, it doesn't seem to be getting much of a drone bay boost
Rainhailer Gallente Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:43:00 - [8] Nothing was even wrong with the Ishkur and they nerfed it..
Rainbow Bear Care Bears	Posted - 2007.10.23 20:49:00 - [9] Gallente are the Drone Race, Drones are Primary Weapons. We know about the whole Heavy Drones are Battleship size weapons, but its not like there are any serious comparisons to be drawn except with a theoretical weapon "size" argument. Please lets see some figures before arbitrary changes are made as some people trained for months based on the current ships stats (Not as much as carrier pilots, but thats not in this thread!) Please remove turrets before you remove drone bandwidth! :( Because we care....
El'jonson	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:26:00 - [10] CCP seem to hate gallente they are nerfing alot of gallente ships with this surposed drone fix, why not just come out and say it ccp hate drones because they cause lag. Anyone know how I can swap my gallente skills for caldari and my carrier skills 4 dred ones

Bailian Moxtain Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:28:00 - [11] this nerf means i wasted like 2 months training for eos..... which is my favourite ship atm *- made in Norway -*
Toppar Wear 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:40:00 - [12] Wow the eos just got hit with the nerf bat big time.. I could to some degree accept the nerf of fielding heavy drones but also cutting down on the amount of turrets Then cutting down on the amount of drones it can carry is even more silly, the new feature was to allow more different kind of drones. This goes against what the dev themself have said about the new changes.. I know it comes off as a whine but meh.. nah, forget it.. Here sleipnir, sleipnir.. Good boy, lets play!
Arenis Xemdal Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:50:00 - [13] I always thought the Eos was garbage for actual gang business, and it being comparable to other ships for damage/combat is the only reason why people keep insisting its good. Maybe now it will be turned into something other than an Ishtar replacement, cause we all know how many people just loooooooove to run around packing "INFORMATION WARFARE".
Alex Under 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Toppar Wear Wow the eos just got hit with the nerf bat big time.. I could to some degree accept the nerf of fielding heavy drones but also cutting down on the amount of turrets Then cutting down on the amount of drones it can carry is even more silly, the new feature was to allow more different kind of drones. This goes against what the dev themself have said about the new changes.. I know it comes off as a whine but meh.. nah, forget it.. Here sleipnir, sleipnir.. Good boy, lets play! QFT. This absolutely sucks that they nerfed the Eos like this. Not only limiting the drones but also removing turrets. Like you said Toppar, Sleipnir and Astarte will be the only command ships I'll be flying from now on.
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Banzai OdiN Fix the myrmidon give it it's drone bay back and wtf is up with the Keres 's drone bay put it on par with the Sentinal The sentinel is a mini curse The keres is a mini lachesis. Check the dronebay on those ships and you know why the frigates got their dronebay sizes. Anyways I do wish it was the other way around, sentinel based on the lach with it's bonusses to damps and scramble range and having 5 mids. And the keres having the utter shite neut and tracking disruptor bonus and a nice large dronebay to play around with. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Larania Hypax Cataclysm Enterprises Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:03:00 - [16] Its a god damn DRONE BOAT, with Creodron as manufacturer. Why would it have less drone capability than the Ishtar? Less dronebay than the Ishtar was ok, therefor it has the turret dmg bonus and a nice amount of turrets, but now only fielding medium drones? Ridiculous! Cut the 2 turrets and give it back the capability of using 5 heavy drones, with 5 turrets and no drone damage bonus the damage should be similar to the Ishtar and would makeup for the lack of the drone dmg bonus! I honostly can't imagine who would fly an EOS anymore after this nerf. I can't believe this.
Banzai OdiN Caldari Species 5618 R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:17:00 - [17] I had a fit of rage on SiSi at one point and talked to the devs and insisted i talked to one of the balance guys and htye said just discuss it on the forums so, discuss!
R'adeh Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:37:00 - [18] Wow, I've never seen so many unnecessary, uncalled for, useless, and bad changes in a single patch in almost 3 years of playing EVE. No offense CCP, but I really hope you come to your senses and don't over-nerf everything because of all the whiners _______________________________________________ <Random sig with a hot chick>
VaderDSL Caldari Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:39:00 - [19] Yes finally! I fly an Eos primarily, it was too powerful. The next step on the right path is including some form of warfare link cap reduction bonus!
Jerai Timelsin State War Academy	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:39:00 - [20] So many people have been trolling about Gallente that the nerf was bound to come soon. I think it's NOT unbalanced; drones are a big ISK sink and easy to loose against decent opponents. Eos was good fun, and not stupid. Officer kit made it excelent but cost a fortune; as it should. Nerfing makes me a bit sick realy

Devian 666 Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:47:00 - [21] Clearly this is my fault. Every time I train for a ship it gets nerfed and I started the command ships skill yesterday. Lucky I know about this now so I can leave the eos training for some point in the future rather than the next two weeks, and won't bother sinking the isk into an eos. I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star. Quote: Astarte Nosferatu > You'd mind if I ask for your asl? SirMolle > eh?
Tek'a Rain Gallente Isis Technologies	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:57:00 - [22] Originally by: wrangler Drones Revisited "About time" is probably the first thing that comes to mind. Not only are we improving the interface, we're working on the logic behind them. This should hopefully lead to them being more consistent in control and abolish their free will. Assist and Guard are new commands coming in, we're getting lots of new named drones and we're adding a new constraint on drones, bandwidth. With this, bandwidth determines the number of drones you can control, allowing the dronebay to be considerably increased on drone ships, accommodating more waves or variety. Ubar? Ja! Edit note: Bandwidth referenced here is not in reference to your internet connection. It's to un-nerf specialized drone ships and allow more differentiation between ships. There is also specific Drone Region content in this update. somehow, this translated through Game Development and become Nerf Eos and myrmi, and break carriers and Moms. couldn't he have said "just reprocess your drone ships now, we will explain later"
Serret Nevets Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:17:00 - [23] what a stupid nerf. lol, what a joke. who the he11 would be stupid enough to train and fly that piece of cr@p Eos now? What would be the point of training for this ship? Waste of time. Train for Veldspar Processing, or are you going to nerf that too? now, Gallente has two cr@p assault frigs. lol, too funny. buy a Navy Vexor, it does more damage than a command ship and 1/10th the training time. CCP is a joke. I don't understand why there always has to be a nerf. Nerf this, nerf that. Why can't you fluff instead? Instead of making good ships weak junk, why not make suckie ships better? Oooh what a thought. Naah, lets just make everything junk. By the way a vega with 1/2 the speed. that's what's needed. They're too uber and need a huge nerf. Oh yeah, and the Crow, nerf that too. Only one missile bay allowed, it's much too powerful. Didn't mention Amarr cause they got whacked last patch to the Curse and the Kunar ships. Train for Hello Kitty Online started. The Invention Helper Database!
Alex Under 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.24 00:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Larania Hypax Its a god damn DRONE BOAT, with Creodron as manufacturer. Why would it have less drone capability than the Ishtar? Less dronebay than the Ishtar was ok, therefor it has the turret dmg bonus and a nice amount of turrets, but now only fielding medium drones? Ridiculous! Cut the 2 turrets and give it back the capability of using 5 heavy drones, with 5 turrets and no drone damage bonus the damage should be similar to the Ishtar and would makeup for the lack of the drone dmg bonus! I honostly can't imagine who would fly an EOS anymore after this nerf. I can't believe this. QFT. I certainly won't bother flying an EOS if they go with these changes to it. 15m3 instead of 50m3 and only able to field Medium drones and also remove two guns... WTF CCP? Who's proposing these changes? Seriously, we're paying your salaries with our monthly fees so you can come up with this crap? How about you fix the 999 bugs that are still outstanding with this game? WTS: 2x 50 million SP characters
kattak4 The Adeptus Mechanicus	Posted - 2007.10.24 01:33:00 - [25] drone ship pilots, it's time to abandon pvp and start mining veld! or will that lead to a mining drone nerf? this nerf is awesome..
Admiral Seafort DarkStar 1	Posted - 2007.10.24 01:40:00 - [26] This nerf really doesn't make much sense. CCP seems to love the concept of every ship having some type of role that it is supposed to perform, some niche into which it fits. Well having removed 2/3 of the things at which the Eos was effective (guns and drones, the only thing left is tank), we are left with an expensive, skill-intensive ship that can field a run-of-the-mill tank for ships of its class. I wonder what "role" CCP has envisioned for the new Eos. Paperweight? Cannon fodder? It's not even good at bait because its tank is active only. By nerfing its drones, it is also significantly hindered in the only remaining role imaginable (support) because it can no longer field Heavy Maintenance drones. And if the "role" is Information Warfare Links, I would invite CCP to reconsider whether we are discussing the same game. ----- It is well that war is so terrible. We should grow too fond of it.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.24 01:43:00 - [27] Originally by: Admiral Seafort This nerf really doesn't make much sense. CCP seems to love the concept of every ship having some type of role that it is supposed to perform, some niche into which it fits. Well having removed 2/3 of the things at which the Eos was effective (guns and drones, the only thing left is tank), we are left with an expensive, skill-intensive ship that can field a run-of-the-mill tank for ships of its class. I wonder what "role" CCP has envisioned for the new Eos. Paperweight? Cannon fodder? It's not even good at bait because its tank is active only. By nerfing its drones, it is also significantly hindered in the only remaining role imaginable (support) because it can no longer field Heavy Maintenance drones. And if the "role" is Information Warfare Links, I would invite CCP to reconsider whether we are discussing the same game. Its similar to all the other ships in its class. Combine its Ewar range bonuses with the new attack frigs or the heavy dictors and it will bring pain from a new distance so shush you. --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz
50freefly Caldari Purify United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 02:09:00 - [28] Originally by: Admiral Seafort This nerf really doesn't make much sense. CCP seems to love the concept of every ship having some type of role that it is supposed to perform, some niche into which it fits. Well having removed 2/3 of the things at which the Eos was effective (guns and drones, the only thing left is tank), we are left with an expensive, skill-intensive ship that can field a run-of-the-mill tank for ships of its class. I wonder what "role" CCP has envisioned for the new Eos. Paperweight? Cannon fodder? It's not even good at bait because its tank is active only. By nerfing its drones, it is also significantly hindered in the only remaining role imaginable (support) because it can no longer field Heavy Maintenance drones. And if the "role" is Information Warfare Links, I would invite CCP to reconsider whether we are discussing the same game. It has the worst tank of all the field command ships, don't forget. And TBH ccp this is ... I thought you said that if you were gonna nerf the kind of drones we could use we were gonna get bigger drone bays? So much for that, now rather than 300 bay at CS level 5 it gets 225. That's far less than I'm getting right now at 4. And WHY THE HECK did it need a nerf anyways? Why? Yeah it could do the most dps of the field commands but it has the worst tank and arguably the least important gang links. So CCP, what gives? Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
Haerana The Republican Guard Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2007.10.24 02:16:00 - [29] Originally by: 50freefly Originally by: Admiral Seafort This nerf really doesn't make much sense. CCP seems to love the concept of every ship having some type of role that it is supposed to perform, some niche into which it fits. Well having removed 2/3 of the things at which the Eos was effective (guns and drones, the only thing left is tank), we are left with an expensive, skill-intensive ship that can field a run-of-the-mill tank for ships of its class. I wonder what "role" CCP has envisioned for the new Eos. Paperweight? Cannon fodder? It's not even good at bait because its tank is active only. By nerfing its drones, it is also significantly hindered in the only remaining role imaginable (support) because it can no longer field Heavy Maintenance drones. And if the "role" is Information Warfare Links, I would invite CCP to reconsider whether we are discussing the same game. It has the worst tank of all the field command ships, don't forget. And TBH ccp this is ... I thought you said that if you were gonna nerf the kind of drones we could use we were gonna get bigger drone bays? So much for that, now rather than 300 bay at CS level 5 it gets 225. That's far less than I'm getting right now at 4. And WHY THE HECK did it need a nerf anyways? Why? Yeah it could do the most dps of the field commands but it has the worst tank and arguably the least important gang links. So CCP, what gives? QFT and a <3 for you 50 Originally by: CCP Abraxas Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.24 02:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Haerana Originally by: 50freefly Originally by: Admiral Seafort This nerf really doesn't make much sense. CCP seems to love the concept of every ship having some type of role that it is supposed to perform, some niche into which it fits. Well having removed 2/3 of the things at which the Eos was effective (guns and drones, the only thing left is tank), we are left with an expensive, skill-intensive ship that can field a run-of-the-mill tank for ships of its class. I wonder what "role" CCP has envisioned for the new Eos. Paperweight? Cannon fodder? It's not even good at bait because its tank is active only. By nerfing its drones, it is also significantly hindered in the only remaining role imaginable (support) because it can no longer field Heavy Maintenance drones. And if the "role" is Information Warfare Links, I would invite CCP to reconsider whether we are discussing the same game. It has the worst tank of all the field command ships, don't forget. And TBH ccp this is ... I thought you said that if you were gonna nerf the kind of drones we could use we were gonna get bigger drone bays? So much for that, now rather than 300 bay at CS level 5 it gets 225. That's far less than I'm getting right now at 4. And WHY THE HECK did it need a nerf anyways? Why? Yeah it could do the most dps of the field commands but it has the worst tank and arguably the least important gang links. So CCP, what gives? QFT and a <3 for you 50 50 and I agree on something. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I



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