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Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:21:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Saint Luka
Oh dear.
Balancing a ship so it is more inline with the other command ships of its field! THE TRAVESTY.
Go away.
(Yes i fly Gallente.)
More inline?
It now has comparable damage compared to the others.
It (still) has crappy tank compared to the others.
It (still) has a set of gang links that are useless in most cases, as compared to the other 3 which are an asset to pretty much any fleet.
It's now a joke.
Sure, if they seriously boost the infowar gang links and the tank of the Eos, to bring them into line with the others, then you'll have a point. Until that magical day, dropping its dps to the same level as the others takes away the only thing the ship had going for it (especially since said dps only applies at 2-3km range, unlike the others).
Tell me: why fly an Eos now, over the other fleet commands? Bacause that's what I'm wondering, and can't figure it out. My Damnation was already a better gang support ship before this change. Now... it's not even funny.
Sure, it needed a dps nerf. But this is ridiculous, and unless something is done to seriously boost the fleet command aspects of the ship, "dirt cheap" will be the only thing going for it pretty soon.
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Mindlles
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:32:00 -
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Was eos the ultimat pwn ship? NO. was it a good gang ship with remot repping drones and a couple armor tanking friends? Oh yeah defently. Can it be slightley less diversed in its used? "aka nerfed?" Yes i can see that.
Like change the turrets is understandble, insteed off 7 it could have 5. And less powergrid. So it can only use electron for example i can understand.
But the hole new conect off chainging drones again is just stupid. And another proof that ccp are crap at what they are doing..
I like to fly my astarte more then my eos. but this change just prove my toughts about ccps changes over the years "beta player speaking" and getting rid off my accounts getting closer for each faiuler ccp delivers to us. They cant fix logg off problems but they f* up more and more ships. Just look how badly amarr is and have been for bloody ages "i dont fly amarr, but i feel for the poor souls that does".
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Meepie
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:34:00 -
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It has the worst Fleet Command Tank, the worst gang link modules and it needs to get to 3km to use its weapons.
The only advantage it had was damage, but now it's not even top on damage, so exactly what's the point in it?
The wiggly drone control unit on the bottom perhaps?
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:57:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Meepie
It has the worst Fleet Command Tank, the worst gang link modules and it needs to get to 3km to use its weapons.
The only advantage it had was damage, but now it's not even top on damage, so exactly what's the point in it?
The wiggly drone control unit on the bottom perhaps?
That. 
But yeah, precisely.
We need one or more of:
- boost to infowar gang links to make them as good as the other 3
- boost to Eos tank
- boost to Eos drones (better bandwidth than that 75, maybe switch gun bonus to a drone dmg bonus)
The ship did need a nerf. But one that put it in line with the others in a fleet support role, not one that bombed the whole ship into the stone age and made it a useless hulk.
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Haerana
The Republican Guard
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:10:00 -
[65]
What ccp should have done is either
Nerfed drone bay to 50m¦ and replaced the extra drone bay bonus with a large static drone bay and given us a 10%damage and hitpoints per level bonus.
Or they should have just removed the gun damage bonus for another tank bonus of some variety.
Not that i think they eos needed changing in anyway to start off with.
but alas ccp seem to be wanting to kill all drone pilots.
My pretty new green an silver ship is now pointless for me to fly in small gangs. and i'd rather get a claymore for it now. luckily i have nearly all the skills for it already.
I can understand why people THOUGHT the Eos was Overpowered but it really wasnt, it didnt need Nerfing. it needed changing. i would have happily traded off some of its dps for extra tank. but instead we just got smacked by the nerf bat. go ccp go!
Soon as they touch my carrier with so much as a 1hp decrease im gone.
Originally by: CCP Abraxas
Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.
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Majickthise
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:49:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Majickthise on 24/10/2007 14:55:48
what about...
eos with 125Mb bandwidth and a 100m3 drone bay.
5 high (2 turrets)
6 mids
6 lows
7.5% per BC level drone damage / hp
7.5% armor rep effectiveness per BC level
+50m drone bay per CS level
+3% IW ganglinks effectivness per CS level
bit more drone user friendly. bit more tanky. dps is much lower than current on TQ.
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Miss KillSome
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:43:00 -
[67]
this it totally stupid.
Whoever nerfed it is a stupid one for sure.
Its not inline with any onther field command ship coz it sucks now.
It was pwn mobile before, true that, but nerfing it four times in one patch (drones dont recharge shields, limited drone bay, limited bandwidth, loosing 2 guns) its just plain stupid.
eos is slow, has only 5 slots for tanking (and then u dont do any decent dmg without MFS..), his weapons are very limited (rails have bad tracking, blasters are range problematic!!) and even now he cannot use full rack of them, only 5, he has very limited drones now, he canot field heavy, more durable drones..
its absurd..EOS isnt flown in gangs in 0.0, i know that for sure, coz he doesnt have any decent warfare bonuses, his drones are not reliable dps even now, when u can field 5 heavies, it is slow. With nerf, it will be even used less.
way to go to drop prices on EOS, maybe some idiotic dev wants to buy them on mass and recycle them for building a claymore which is flown WAYYYY more..
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Jinmie
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:50:00 -
[68]
Change Eos to:
150m3 Drone Bay
10% drone hitpoints and damage per level of Battlecruisers.
7 Turrets again.
Bandwidth 50mb.
Command Ships bonus per level 9% bonus to personal armour repair amount.
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OwnedBy Me
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:56:00 -
[69]
Its green, it uses drones..
Nerf the turrets, nerf the dmg bonus to turrets..
But is a drone carrier dont nerf that.. Its silly..
Let it do the most dps, with drones.. Or boost its tank..
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V0idz
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2007.10.24 16:04:00 -
[70]
eos nerf = meehhh
with these sisi stats, the eos is "useless".. does anyone need some eos ships? =)
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
Pax Atlantis
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Posted - 2007.10.24 16:05:00 -
[71]
Can we say aleluia?
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 16:32:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Pesadel0
Can we say aleluia?
Some of us can even spell it
Good riddance to the Eos solomobile, too bad it leaves the Eos also useless as a gang ship. Now this ship is crappy in all possible roles. Hallelujah indeed!
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Dark Flare
Caldari
Corpus PCG
The State
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Posted - 2007.10.24 16:36:00 -
[73]
The Gallente tears in this thread make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
The Ishkur was the best AF, by far.
The Eos was the best Fleet Command by far.
The Myrmidon was the best BC by far.
Now they're actually in line with the others.
"OHNOES MY SOLOPWNMOBILE R NERFED D:"
Careface.
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R'adeh
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.24 16:43:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Dark Flare
Now they're actually in line with the others.
"OHNOES MY SOLOPWNMOBILE R NERFED D:"
Careface.
Apart from the fact that the Eos is now not in line with the others 
But if you're happy whenever a race other than your own gets the nerf bat then good for you 
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Dark Flare
Caldari
Corpus PCG
The State
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Posted - 2007.10.24 16:48:00 -
[75]
Originally by: R'adeh
Originally by: Dark Flare
Now they're actually in line with the others.
"OHNOES MY SOLOPWNMOBILE R NERFED D:"
Careface.
Apart from the fact that the Eos is now not in line with the others
But if you're happy whenever a race other than your own gets the nerf bat then good for you
The Eos is fine with the others. The fact that it gets arguably some of the best Gang Mods just adds to this.
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Pwadoc
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.24 17:10:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Dark Flare
The Eos is fine with the others. The fact that it gets arguably some of the best Gang Mods just adds to this.
Best gang mods? Are you kidding?
Just switch that extra mid slot to a low slot. That would go some of the way toward equalizing the Eos tank.
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R'adeh
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.24 17:12:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Dark Flare
Originally by: R'adeh
Originally by: Dark Flare
Now they're actually in line with the others.
"OHNOES MY SOLOPWNMOBILE R NERFED D:"
Careface.
Apart from the fact that the Eos is now not in line with the others
But if you're happy whenever a race other than your own gets the nerf bat then good for you
The Eos is fine with the others. The fact that it gets arguably some of the best Gang Mods just adds to this.
Best gang mod??? Can I have some of what you're smoking? 
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Hephaesteus
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.24 17:26:00 -
[78]
Just looked at the Eos in Sisi, what a piece of junk. A good ship nerfed down to a "why bother flying it ship" would have been better to buff the others not bring all down to same lvl.
I know it's not a good idea to bring in rl comparisons but, rl ships are designed in a lot of cases to have multi role capability. New Eos seems to just have very limited role now, least they'll be cheap though. 
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 18:13:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 24/10/2007 18:16:05
Originally by: Dark Flare
The Eos is fine with the others. The fact that it gets arguably some of the best Gang Mods just adds to this.
Ok, this wins the "idiot comment of the day" award. Against some pretty tough competition, I might add.
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Dark Flare
Caldari
Corpus PCG
The State
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Posted - 2007.10.24 18:52:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 24/10/2007 18:16:05
Originally by: Dark Flare
The Eos is fine with the others. The fact that it gets arguably some of the best Gang Mods just adds to this.
Ok, this wins the "idiot comment of the day" award. Against some pretty tough competition, I might add.
Pff, got confused between the Gallente + Amarr gang mods.
Still, making your gangs damps/jammers more effective isn't a useless bonus.
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 19:11:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 24/10/2007 19:17:17
Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 24/10/2007 19:16:38
Originally by: Dark Flare
Pff, got confused between the Gallente + Amarr gang mods.
Still, making your gangs damps/jammers more effective isn't a useless bonus.
No, it's not totally useless. It's just a very niche and specialized case. The EW range one is only really useful in some forms of fleet warfare, the EW strength one is only useful if you're supporting a dedicated EW squad, and the sensor str one is only useful when you're going up against an enemy who likes to use a lot of ECM. Specifically ECM, mind you, not other forms of EW.
Those are very cornercase things. Sometimes useful, yes, but given that the Eos' only role is now to run those, it pushes the whole ship into the "usually useless" category.
Compare with the others:
- Amarr: armor tank links are awesome and almost universally useful (and the Damnation is a kick-ass ship anyway)
- Caldari: excellent it you have any shield tankers in your fleet, and chances are that you will in any non-tiny fleet
- Minmatar: absolutely kick-ass for pretty much any fleet. More speed, smaller sig radius, more web+scramble range... what's not to like?
It's not that the infowar gang links are 100% useless. They are just totally outclasses in both power and general usefulness. Now with the only edge Eos had going for it (dps and drones) removed, it's left looking like a pretty sad puppy.
One way to fix the Eos would be to improve the infowar gang links into something competitive. I'd be totally fine with that solution, among others.
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Tao Han
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.10.24 19:12:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Saint Luka
Oh dear.
Balancing a ship so it is more inline with the other command ships of its field! THE TRAVESTY.
Go away.
(Yes i fly Gallente.)
Quoting this just because its true.
Seriously, the whining on these forums is reaching epic proportions.
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Admiral Seafort
DarkStar 1
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Posted - 2007.10.24 19:12:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Dark Flare
Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 24/10/2007 18:16:05
Originally by: Dark Flare
The Eos is fine with the others. The fact that it gets arguably some of the best Gang Mods just adds to this.
Ok, this wins the "idiot comment of the day" award. Against some pretty tough competition, I might add.
Pff, got confused between the Gallente + Amarr gang mods.
Still, making your gangs damps/jammers more effective isn't a useless bonus.
It's almost useless. EW is not particularly important in most fights, except purpose-built ECM fleets/gangs. The Eos should be good at drones, let it be. Seriously. The turret nerf is fine but the drone thing is BS.
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 19:15:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Tao Han
Originally by: Saint Luka
Oh dear.
Balancing a ship so it is more inline with the other command ships of its field! THE TRAVESTY.
Go away.
(Yes i fly Gallente.)
Quoting this just because its true.
Seriously, the whining on these forums is reaching epic proportions.
Lack of reading comprehension 4tl.
Please either shut up or add something constructive here... for example, support your case that the Eos is now in line with the others. As a fleet command ship, mind you.
With the dps gone, and with the poor tank and crappy gang links, I'm having a hard time with that claim. But I'm sure you'll think of something.
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Zolian
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Posted - 2007.10.24 19:23:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Dark Flare
The Gallente tears in this thread make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
The Ishkur was the best AF, by far.
The Eos was the best Fleet Command by far.
The Myrmidon was the best BC by far.
Now they're actually in line with the others.
"OHNOES MY SOLOPWNMOBILE R NERFED D:"
Careface.
Quoted for the brutal truth.
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 19:36:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Zolian
Quoted for the brutal truth.
...without really understanding what you're quoting.
The Eos was overpowered as a solo / small gang dps ship.
As a fleet support ship, it was actually a pretty poor one even before this nerf. My Damnation, for example, was almost always more useful as gang support than the so-called "best fleet command ship"... and this before the nerf.
They nerf the dps, fine. But they need to give it something in return that would actually let if act as fleet support.
I'm seeing this concept is a difficult one for some people to grasp, apparently. I've actually flown fleet support, with gang links. Not sure how many of the more dense people here have done more than look at EFT DPS numbers, frankly...
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.10.24 21:33:00 -
[87]
I basicly only have 2 questions:
1. Who is the dev @ CCP who came up with the idea of making a fleet ship based on drones and armor rep bonus?
2. Has this dev ever been in PvP combat, or only running agent missions (since both of these bonuses are useless)?
It's all fine that you nerf the Eos as a solo-ship (now it becomes useless for this). But this ship is also useless for running ganglinks.
The ship is just horrible.
Not that information warfare links aren't very useful. The point is, if you [for some weird reason] want a commandship in your gang running 3 information warfare links, picking a damnation/vulture/claymore will be better than an Eos. Because the complete uselessness of the Eos offsets any pros of the small bonus to information links.
Am I forced to have any regret?
I've become the lie, beautiful and free
In my righteous own mind
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VaderDSL
Caldari
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.24 22:08:00 -
[88]
It will have the second best warfarelinks in game, not that it matters because you can use any links on any ship and it doesntmatter asthe max bonus if hardly anything in a racial ship than a non racial.
When damps get nerfed, info warfare links in a dampening squad will be extremely useful! Dedicated damp boats with the extra strength and optimal on damps will be much better than armor or shield links (especially since they are stacking nerfed)
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Lautrec
LFC
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.10.24 22:21:00 -
[89]
I can't believe this. I don't mind the hardpoint nerf that much, I wan't to use my Eos as gang support and try to run 3 gang mods anyway, (btw it would be nice to be able to do this without cap rigs kthnx) but to completely mutilate the drone capacity of a ship supposedly manufactured by CreoDron is too much. I expected it to be able to at least field 4 heavies after the nerf. Now I get 75 in bandwith???
What is this ENDLESS OBSESSION with tinkering and fiddling with stuff? I just don't get it. I never usually bother to whine, I just read what's next in line for a hammering and live with it. The Eos massacre is too much though. I can't believe you're pasting it this severely.
I have no qualms about the Myrmidon, nerf away - it's a T1 ship and is a bit too powerful, but what in the world was wrong with the Ishkur? I have never heard a single person moan about it so why nerf it? Just thought you'd give that a smack as well while you were at it?
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.10.24 22:30:00 -
[90]
Originally by: VaderDSL
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Do you really fly this ship?
Drones are pretty much useless in a large gang.
The guns on a gang-link Eos (= dual 150mm rails) are basicly useless as well.
And the tanking/survivability of an Eos is waaaaay lower than damnation/claymore/vulture.
The ship has nothing at all to offer. Basicly, all 4 of the ship's bonuses are useless in a situation with 3 gang links fitted.
Am I forced to have any regret?
I've become the lie, beautiful and free
In my righteous own mind
I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |
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