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Wooly Gump
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Wooly Gump on 24/10/2007 09:18:35
Accidental double post, ignore.
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Wooly Gump
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Verx Interis
Don't forget the insane shield tank torpedo Rokh. With the new Torpedo buff that thing is going to be scary.
They die quite easy, actually.
The Rokh is the reason I specc'd Caldari. However, sniping is 'very, very, very, very, very' limited, so the torpedo Rokh was the setup that I was foremost considering (I hate the Raven).
The torpedo Rokh is that bad, even with the buff?
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Dark Prophecy Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:20:00 -
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The problem is, you need short range weapons to kill anything, because the damage of long range weapons is just very very low. But since almost every caldari ship isnt made for close range fighting, the only real purpose for caldari ships in gangs are some small niches:
-ECM
-killing interceptors (Cerberus is pretty good at it when you specialise)
-picking of enemy support ships which are at higher ranges (like recons and logistic ships)
-nice gang leader ships (drakes/nighthawks/vultures are never primary until everyone else is dead)
Thats pretty much everything i can think off atm.
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OrcishMonkey
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:23:00 -
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Caldari/Solo/PvP Now pick two... Thats Caldari
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Wooly Gump
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Benn Helmsman
The problem is, you need short range weapons to kill anything, because the damage of long range weapons is just very very low. But since almost every caldari ship isnt made for close range fighting, the only real purpose for caldari ships in gangs are some small niches:
-ECM
-killing interceptors (Cerberus is pretty good at it when you specialise)
-picking of enemy support ships which are at higher ranges (like recons and logistic ships)
-nice gang leader ships (drakes/nighthawks/vultures are never primary until everyone else is dead)
Thats pretty much everything i can think off atm.
Ben, how well would you say Blasterokhs, and Torpedokhs perform?
This is going to be my setup if I continue with Caldari, and I keep hearing differing opinions.
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Dark Prophecy Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 24/10/2007 09:28:59
Blaster rokhs are tough and not really bad ships, but they are outperformed by gallente ships in most situations.
Torprokhs? I cant really see a point in that, just for nos/neut?
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: OrcishMonkey
Caldari/Solo/PvP Now pick two... Thats Caldari
And its so true..whoever thought of that must be brilliant!
Solo they're not worth much but a pair of ravens with proper stups and a tackler can take down any other combination of 2 BS + support without suffering losses, with maybe the exception of a pair of extremely capable dominixes.
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Dark Prophecy Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:39:00 -
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I like the new torp changes, it will bring more ravens back on the field. Finally these huge fire*****er can deal some damage.
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Deacon Ix
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Benn Helmsman
Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 24/10/2007 09:28:59
Blaster rokhs are tough and not really bad ships, but they are outperformed by gallente ships in most situations.
Torprokhs? I cant really see a point in that, just for nos/neut?
I have had a bit of success in a Torp Rokh solo, can fit a Web and Disrupter and still get a ~1000 DPS tank with juduious application of rigs.
a Torp Rokh is an attrition ship, I have a mix of NOS/neuts and you just have to ware them down.
Passive tanks are a Problem tho...
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Jennifer Flate
Caldari
The Final Resurrection
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:53:00 -
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So as i see it, so far. You have neglected to listen to whatever any people have to say that is good about Caldari and said "OMG get off my thread you dont own a Rokh so you dont have a say". I really dont see why anyone should be helping you with that attitude. But i'll say a few things...
I haven't PvPed in many ships, but i have certainly seen what they can do. But what you have to remember Caldari are very much so a gang race, not many of their ships can solo.
Drake - I have one, it has one of the best if not the best shield tank in the game. May not give out much DPS, but you can stick on a gang mod on it and sit there not being hurt/take pot shots at people. Yes you can solo with it-ish, MWD + HAM.
Crow - Best inty afaik. Uses rockets/standard launchers meaning you don't need to slow down to hit your target.
Nighthawk - Again stupidly good shield tank, but can deal out considerably more DPS than a drake.
Cerberus - Long range missile boat, can just pick off support ships when fighting in big gangs.
Harpy - Very good AF, but uses Hybrid guns, meaning you will need good gunnery skills. Can get close to 200 DPS with blasters, and can shoot up to 110km with rails.
Raven - ultimate PvE machine, lvl 4's if you're in empire, just fly by. and 1.5mil+ BS rats will crumble. Just if you want to get in the money
Rokh - as has been said much about. The best FLEET ship, 250km away. Yes, sniper ships will get 150km+ away from where the battle will be, eg gate camp, so that they wont get hit much.
Manticore - Just to prat around in, killing frigs with cruise launchers etc.
Scorpion - Don't know much about it really. But im sure i have seen it referred to as being able to disable best part of the DPS in a gang.
There you go. Yes there may be other ships that can do some of these jobs better in different races. But there is/never will be a superior race in EVE for a long enough time to specialise in and "pwn" everyone. Just decide what you would like to do best :
Caldari - Long range and mainly fleet warfare
Gallente - Blaster boats short range, good at soloing
Minmatar - Want to go 7km/s+ in a HAC
Amarr - It has cool looking ships, what else would you want. (i hear the curse is pretty good)
There we go. have fun
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Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Dark Prophecy Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:55:00 -
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Well the problem seems the very very low damage of a torprokh (with 3 BCU II and the new 33% buff to dps with torps) you get like 400dps + drones. Why not use a raven that can deal a lot more damage?
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Oron
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Posted - 2007.10.24 10:10:00 -
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Its less about Ship race and more about Weapon Type. If you choose Laser you are stucked to Amarr Ships, if you choose Projectil you are stucked with Matar Ships. If you choose Hybrid you can choose between Caldari and Gallente - and always have a good, sometimes even the best ships to choose from.
Rokh is a great ship. It is talked bad because it can not use its range Bonus in the current mixed sniper gangs.
Other great ships are the Rook, Nighthwak, Buzzard, Manticore, Cerberus, Eagle, Raven, Drake - all have a role in wich they excel.
Don't choose races - choose roles.
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Tacitus Krekt
The Phoenix Rising
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.10.24 10:48:00 -
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Off topic, but a question...
what is this aforementioned torpedo buff? Rook/cerb/Eagle are my pvp boats, so don't pay much attention to the raven these days.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2007.10.24 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tacitus Krekt
Off topic, but a question...
what is this aforementioned torpedo buff? Rook/cerb/Eagle are my pvp boats, so don't pay much attention to the raven these days.
Less range but higher rate of fire. Will probably happen with next expansion.
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Torco
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:16:00 -
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if you look at pvp tournaments, the majority of ships there been Gallente and Caldari
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Arkanjuca
Caldari
The Undertakers
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: OrcishMonkey
Caldari/Solo/PvP Now pick two... Thats Caldari
THIS!
The OP comments made me laugh but its true...
Short story, i'm born caldari but trained minmatar to PvP and have another account with an amarr char. What i can say is that caldari is not easy to PvP as its to PvE.
Do you really wanna solo? i dont see much of this these days... really...
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Torco
if you look at pvp tournaments, the majority of ships there been Gallente and Caldari
Tournament != PvP. In the tournament, you can't warp away. There, everybody suddenly had another midslot freed.
As to the OP, the Caldari suck only if you're an unimaginative fool who thinks that the only POSSIBLE way to PvP is to put your ship up close and pew-pew. Do you know how much havoc a HAM/assault launcher-loaded Cerb/Caracal can wreak on frigates?
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 24/10/2007 11:43:45
Originally by: Torco
if you look at pvp tournaments, the majority of ships there been Gallente and Caldari
Actually, the majority were Caldari with the rest being spread more or less equally between the other 3 races.
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BornePassive
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:44:00 -
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caldari arnt bad, there the best tankers i know, and when you have all the right touches of ewar and support in a fleet your just not gna loose.
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mictwisted
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: mictwisted on 24/10/2007 11:52:55
ok peeps sry for interupting but..... I am way new. and a caldari and u guys are scaring the hell outta me with all this talk about how poor the ships are. Did I make a mistake choosing Caldari?
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K'jata
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:56:00 -
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Do they hell suck at pvp...
The drake for example, if fitted correctly makes a fantastic cate camping ship aswell as being able to a have an uber tank fit it can tank low sec Sentries very well.
Plus the raven and rokh, I'm sure you'll be able to armor tank they sufficiently so the meds can be loaded with target painters, scram, web sensor boosters etc, Its a matter off how well you fit the ship, undersandably you'll be far better off with a different race for pvp, however don't underestimate caldari, no one here can deny the crows capabilities, but don't let that be the only good pvp ship in the caldari race
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mictwisted
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Posted - 2007.10.24 11:58:00 -
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thanks. i needed that resurance that i not totally screwed..
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Sofring Eternus
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:02:00 -
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Seems to me the easiest way to 1 vs 1 PvP with a Caldari battleship is with a Scorpian, it will be tough to fit, but keep a bunch of blasters / torps in the highs, fill the mids with webber, scram, 4 ECM. Then put in 1 or 2 ECM Amps in the lows. That leaves the rest of the slots for either half arsed tank or damage mods.
The point of this ship wouldnt be to do alot of damage or tank alot of damage, but to keep your enemy in place and locked down unable to do anything while you wear them down.
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Xzar Fyrarr
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Wooly Gump
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
No race's ships suck as a whole (although every race has lots of individual ships that could use a boost).
Well how good is the Rokh. Do i have any chance at taking down a domi? or a hyper? or a mega?
2 words.
Skills.
Fittings.
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:14:00 -
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stop making threads about it, caldari are pretty decent in gang pvp, just not solo.
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Wooly Gump
Edited by: Wooly Gump on 24/10/2007 07:34:19
Originally by: Riho
ppl who say caldari suck at pvp... dont fly em right... :/
most whiner say u can solo.... well this isnt a SOLO game.... get someone to put point and web on target and u doo the shooting...
Dude, you have a Gallente ship in your sig. GTFO of my thread please. I hate people who don't play a particular race, yet feel the need to say that 'everything is alright'. If it was so god damn alright you'd have a Rokh in your sig, idiot.
PS you don't fly gallente, and you base your opinion on forum whine, so you should gtfo too. In fact, gallente is getting half their ships nerfed with Rev3, and Caldari is getting the torp buff, stfu for once.
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Jagre Hett
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kuzya Morozov
stop making threads about it, Caldari are pretty decent in gang pvp, just not solo.
From reading this forum and watching various battles in the game what you have just stated is what makes Caldari in bad shape.
All races can NPC effectively and decently, all races can gang pvp effectively and decently. All races can solo pvp effectively except for the Caldari. How is that balanced? Of course Amarr are in need of more love than the Caldari at the moment.
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Madla Mafia
The Dead Man's Hand
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:05:00 -
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This thread really did not need to be this long. The simple answer to the original question is: NO. Caldari are not that bad.
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ColetteLehtola
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Madla Mafia
This thread really did not need to be this long. The simple answer to the original question is: NO. Caldari are not that bad.
I agree with you.
How ever I really don't like people to compare all caldari ships to be good/awesome because they can insta pop frigs or be "the best anti support ships". It's just insane to have the best pve race combined with wtf-I-pwn-all-support-ships role.
Caldari can do other things, allthough not as superb as other could have done aswell.
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Arvald
Caldari
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Riho
ppl who say caldari suck at pvp... dont fly em right... :/
most whiner say u can solo.... well this isnt a SOLO game.... get someone to put point and web on target and u doo the shooting...
this = true
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