| Pages: 1 2 3 :: [one page] |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Wooly Gump
   |
Posted - 2007.10.24 07:07:00 -
[1]
I'm fairly new, will have battlecruisers I for Caldari trained tonight. I went Caldari because i loved the way the Rokh and Ferox looked, the Ferox not so much anymore because it flies backwards. Screw PvP, pretty much all I want to do is PvP but it's disheartening hearing all these disgruntled Caldari players talk about the race in terms of being stuck in mission running mode.
So is it true? The Rokh is really that bad, and if so should I just respec to Gallente and get it over with?
|
Gnord
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 07:11:00 -
[2]
I fly caldari.
I've lost every single pvp fight I've ever been in.
Seriously.
Caldari is GREAT for missions though. I'm totally invulnerable to npc's.
|
Garonis
Caldari
Templars of Space
Freelancer Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 07:20:00 -
[3]
Edited by: Garonis on 24/10/2007 07:22:09
Caldari pretty much suck at pvp for now. Namely, there is a lack of midslots for use for the "holy trinity" of pvp mids: the afterburner/mwd, scrambler, and webber, as that's where your tank resides. Also, missiles do very mediocre dammage compared to guns, UNLESS you have all the missile skills trained up to max. Now, having said that, there are a few Caldari ships that are good for pvp, however most of them are tech 2 ships :( I will list em anyways for you: the Crow, the Harpy, the finally, the not-tech-2 Drake Battlecruiser.
Good thing about Caldari ships is usually they are pretty hard to take down, as the shield tank is usually pretty good, and missiles always hit, and you can fit tank AND dammage mods.
Edit: spelling & P.S.
The Rokh is probably one of the BEST fleet warfare ships in the game. It DOES NOT suck at it's job.
This is my sig ^^ |
Riho
Magnificent Beavers
Exquisite Malevolence
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 07:22:00 -
[4]
ppl who say caldari suck at pvp... dont fly em right... :/
most whiner say u can solo.... well this isnt a SOLO game.... get someone to put point and web on target and u doo the shooting...
|
Disco Flint
Caldari
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 07:23:00 -
[5]
 Originally by: Wooly Gump
I'm fairly new, will have battlecruisers I for Caldari trained tonight. I went Caldari because i loved the way the Rokh and Ferox looked, the Ferox not so much anymore because it flies backwards. Screw PvP, pretty much all I want to do is PvP but it's disheartening hearing all these disgruntled Caldari players talk about the race in terms of being stuck in mission running mode.
So is it true? The Rokh is really that bad, and if so should I just respec to Gallente and get it over with?
You think the Ferox is bad? The Rokh doesn't have its name for nothing. Slowest sub-capital thing in space, as agile as the himalaya (if tectonic activity is low) and a signature radius to prove it...
|
Garonis
Caldari
Templars of Space
Freelancer Alliance
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 07:26:00 -
[6]
Yes, but i was referencing SOLO PVP, not small gang PVP. Even with a couple of mates to help you out most Caldari ships are still mediocre, Especially compared to Gallente ships 
This is my sig ^^ |
Wooly Gump
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 07:29:00 -
[7]
Edited by: Wooly Gump on 24/10/2007 07:34:19
Originally by: Riho
ppl who say caldari suck at pvp... dont fly em right... :/
most whiner say u can solo.... well this isnt a SOLO game.... get someone to put point and web on target and u doo the shooting...
Dude, you have a Gallente ship in your sig. GTFO of my thread please. I hate people who don't play a particular race, yet feel the need to say that 'everything is alright'. If it was so god damn alright you'd have a Rokh in your sig, idiot.
|
Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Republic University
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 07:30:00 -
[8]
No race's ships suck as a whole (although every race has lots of individual ships that could use a boost).
|
Wooly Gump
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 07:33:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
No race's ships suck as a whole (although every race has lots of individual ships that could use a boost).
Well how good is the Rokh. Do i have any chance at taking down a domi? or a hyper? or a mega?
|
Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Republic University
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 07:53:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Wooly Gump
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
No race's ships suck as a whole (although every race has lots of individual ships that could use a boost).
Well how good is the Rokh. Do i have any chance at taking down a domi? or a hyper? or a mega?
I think it matters more how you and they are fitted, what tactics both sides use, and what the tactical situation for the battle is than what exact ship you're flying (assuming both are in the same class, like in this case battleships).
But it sounds like you mean in solo combat, and the Rokh is more of a fleet ship really.
|
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Uninvited Guests
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 08:00:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Wooly Gump
I'm fairly new, will have battlecruisers I for Caldari trained tonight. I went Caldari because i loved the way the Rokh and Ferox looked, the Ferox not so much anymore because it flies backwards. Screw PvP, pretty much all I want to do is PvP but it's disheartening hearing all these disgruntled Caldari players talk about the race in terms of being stuck in mission running mode.
So is it true? The Rokh is really that bad, and if so should I just respec to Gallente and get it over with?
Short answer: Yes, respec gallente.
Long answer: .....
|
Wooly Gump
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 08:01:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Originally by: Wooly Gump
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
No race's ships suck as a whole (although every race has lots of individual ships that could use a boost).
Well how good is the Rokh. Do i have any chance at taking down a domi? or a hyper? or a mega?
I think it matters more how you and they are fitted, what tactics both sides use, and what the tactical situation for the battle is than what exact ship you're flying (assuming both are in the same class, like in this case battleships).
But it sounds like you mean in solo combat, and the Rokh is more of a fleet ship really.
Ok, since the Rokh is slow, sluggish, and requires another ship to lock/web for it due to the lack of mid slots...it is one of the highest DPS battleships in the game...
Higher than the Domi/Hyper correct?
|
Axos V
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 08:06:00 -
[13]
hmmm... no
The mega hs higher dps than the rohk, however the rohk has the longest range.
(Typical snipe setups)
|
Wooly Gump
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 08:09:00 -
[14]
Edited by: Wooly Gump on 24/10/2007 08:09:24
This is f***ing lame. So it takes how many Rokhs to take out one Domi/Mega?
Also how good are the Hyperions compared to the Domin or Megas?
|
Ejderdisi
Caldari
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 08:15:00 -
[15]
2 ship speacially build to kill 1 ship will kill it most of time in eve as this game is papper and scissors in reality.
But Even 2 rokh, u need time to lock down and right range. Or else 500 BS can't actually kill a frig :) (probably they will, as grid loading will be death penalty to frig )
|
Sangus Victus
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 08:17:00 -
[16]
Caldari are an awesome race. they have several ships that are very good to PvP in.
|
Wooly Gump
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 08:20:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Ejderdisi
2 ship speacially build to kill 1 ship will kill it most of time in eve as this game is papper and scissors in reality.
But Even 2 rokh, u need time to lock down and right range. Or else 500 BS can't actually kill a frig :) (probably they will, as grid loading will be death penalty to frig )
I thought railguns have no minimum range. So if someone gets close to a railgun Rokh, the Rokh has absolutely no chance?
|
Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 08:24:00 -
[18]
Caldari do very good dps in their misssle ships and have fantastic range with both rails and missles.
A smart caldari pilot is a true terror in space. The caldari pilot needs to read combat a few seconds in advance and be able to put damage downrange early. So while everyone is zipping around hitting the big boys, you should be a little ways back killing the support or forcing them to warp off.
There are a few tricks to do this which I will not share because its a little tricky. . .but let me tell you - Caldari are fantastic, and any decent combat pilot who sticks with Caldari are always very good at flying their ships.
Why fly Minmatar or Gallente like every other solo wannabe (sorry I was born Minmatar) when you can be at the forfront of your own races pvp.
-----------
|
tla gnillortmurof
Minmatar
Republic Military School
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 08:28:00 -
[19]
OP is starting to sound like a trolling thread I made about the Caldari a while back.
|
Wooly Gump
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 08:30:00 -
[20]
Edited by: Wooly Gump on 24/10/2007 08:31:03
Originally by: tla gnillortmurof
OP is starting to sound like a trolling thread I made about the Caldari a while back.
No. I'm really interested, because if there's a time to delete my char and start over as a Gall it's now...before I reach the 2 mil+ SP mark.
Gall spec ops start with frig IV and command III, so I could be in a Thorax in < than 1 hour.
|
Tacitus Krekt
The Phoenix Rising
FreeFall Securities
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 08:33:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Wooly Gump
Originally by: Ejderdisi
2 ship speacially build to kill 1 ship will kill it most of time in eve as this game is papper and scissors in reality.
But Even 2 rokh, u need time to lock down and right range. Or else 500 BS can't actually kill a frig :) (probably they will, as grid loading will be death penalty to frig )
I thought railguns have no minimum range. So if someone gets close to a railgun Rokh, the Rokh has absolutely no chance?
No gun/missile has a minimum range. Long range weaponry begins to falter when your turret tracking speed falls below that of your target's transversal speed. (in a nutshell, your target is flying faster than your turret is capable of rotating/firing).
Blasters are short range, higher tracking speed, whereas your railguns have a longer range, yet slower tracking speed.
But, for the sake of argument, you get toe to toe with a domi/mega in your rokh.
*If you fit railguns, you're dead -- even if you web your target and are essentially sitting at a standstill with your opponent. Your DPS using rails is going to be too low. Furthermore, as I'm going to guess here, you being new to the game will come into play, and the fact that you not having T2 weaponry will also play a factor (T2 large rails/blasters takes a long time. Whereas training T2 heavy missiles, torpedoes, cruise missiles for caldari boats is far more forgiving in respect to training time required).
*If you fit blasters, you might be able to outrange the optimal of a mega, so it's really a tossup between who has the better tank. But, with the majority of meds that the rokh has -- you simply might prevail if the mega is relying on falloff to hit you and has to run speed mods to keep in range.
*VS the domi, tough to say. Depends on fitting (you'll hear that a lot).
|
Wooly Gump
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 08:36:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Atius Tirawa
Edited by: Atius Tirawa on 24/10/2007 08:27:52
Caldari do very good dps in their misssle ships and have fantastic range with both rails and missles.
A smart caldari pilot is a true terror in space. The caldari pilot needs to read combat a few seconds in advance and be able to put damage downrange early. So while everyone is zipping around hitting the big boys, you should be a little ways back killing the support or forcing them to warp off.
There are a few tricks to do this which I will not share because its a little tricky. . .but let me tell you - Caldari are fantastic, and any decent combat pilot who sticks with Caldari are always very good at flying their ships.
Why fly Minmatar or Gallente like every other solo wannabe (sorry I was born Minmatar) when you can be at the forfront of your own races pvp.
The Rokh is the best fleet ship in the game - but its not the spike that makes it good, its the fact that it can use Uranium ammo and hit as far as any T2 long range ship - so - a very good Rokh setup uses Caldari Navy 425 Rails with Cal Navy/Gal Navy Uranium Ammo - now do your calculations based on that.
The Falcon is a brilliant support ship and ECM is still a very powerful combat multiplyer.
The Nighthawk is a brilliant small gang fighter, good dps and a very tough tank. The Cerberus kills smaller ships and nano-ships with suprising efficienty and so on. . .you just need to realize that Caldari pvp is longrange and specilized, not orbit and shoot.
I'm looking at:
http://eve-kb.com/view.php?type=player&name=Atius+Tirawa&tab=known_ships&byMonth=true#show
It shows you as a Mir pilot, and there's no Rokh in your profile. So wtf are you talking about again?
|
Wooly Gump
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 08:39:00 -
[23]
Edited by: Wooly Gump on 24/10/2007 08:42:08
Originally by: Tacitus Krekt
Originally by: Wooly Gump
Originally by: Ejderdisi
2 ship speacially build to kill 1 ship will kill it most of time in eve as this game is papper and scissors in reality.
But Even 2 rokh, u need time to lock down and right range. Or else 500 BS can't actually kill a frig :) (probably they will, as grid loading will be death penalty to frig )
I thought railguns have no minimum range. So if someone gets close to a railgun Rokh, the Rokh has absolutely no chance?
No gun/missile has a minimum range. Long range weaponry begins to falter when your turret tracking speed falls below that of your target's transversal speed. (in a nutshell, your target is flying faster than your turret is capable of rotating/firing).
Blasters are short range, higher tracking speed, whereas your railguns have a longer range, yet slower tracking speed.
But, for the sake of argument, you get toe to toe with a domi/mega in your rokh.
*If you fit railguns, you're dead -- even if you web your target and are essentially sitting at a standstill with your opponent. Your DPS using rails is going to be too low. Furthermore, as I'm going to guess here, you being new to the game will come into play, and the fact that you not having T2 weaponry will also play a factor (T2 large rails/blasters takes a long time. Whereas training T2 heavy missiles, torpedoes, cruise missiles for caldari boats is far more forgiving in respect to training time required).
*If you fit blasters, you might be able to outrange the optimal of a mega, so it's really a tossup between who has the better tank. But, with the majority of meds that the rokh has -- you simply might prevail if the mega is relying on falloff to hit you and has to run speed mods to keep in range.
*VS the domi, tough to say. Depends on fitting (you'll hear that a lot).
This isn't good, because as you're traveling around you'll often engage your enemy at close range. How many times do you warp in somewhere and happen to find someone 250km away? Not very often.
What a bunch of wasted time...Guess I'm going to go delete or retrain or something. I don't know, but I'm not spending months to play a gimped ass race.
There anyway to build a Rokh that isn't reliant on range?
|
Nyx STeeLGamers
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 08:45:00 -
[24]
its the pilot who flies the ship, and not the ship that flies you. Drakes, nighthawk and scorp every ship are supreme ships from caldari, if u know what to u, then good to go:)
|
Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 08:52:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Riho
ppl who say caldari suck at pvp... dont fly em right... :/
most whiner say u can solo.... well this isnt a SOLO game.... get someone to put point and web on target and u doo the shooting...
Indeed.
http://paradox.onlinecombat.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=3716
Sok & TJ = me on 2 pcs. Not sure how the absolution got on the mail, the raven died without ever firing a shot and the rokh got a lock eventually but popped before scratcing my armour.
People who say Caldari suck at pvp, aren't playing their cards right.
Paradox V2.0 is recruiting! |
Verx Interis
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 08:59:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Wooly Gump
Edited by: Wooly Gump on 24/10/2007 08:09:24
This is f***ing lame. So it takes how many Rokhs to take out one Domi/Mega?
Also how good are the Hyperions compared to the Domin or Megas?
Don't forget the insane shield tank torpedo Rokh. With the new Torpedo buff that thing is going to be scary.
-----sig-starts-here------
I not what know I is doing. |
Wooly Gump
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 09:00:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Riho
ppl who say caldari suck at pvp... dont fly em right... :/
most whiner say u can solo.... well this isnt a SOLO game.... get someone to put point and web on target and u doo the shooting...
Indeed.
http://paradox.onlinecombat.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=3716
Sok & TJ = me on 2 pcs. Not sure how the absolution got on the mail, the raven died without ever firing a shot and the rokh got a lock eventually but popped before scratcing my armour.
People who say Caldari suck at pvp, aren't playing their cards right.
Wow. Not a single Caldari pilot in the top 20, but there are several of each of the other races INCLUDING amarr. Wtf.
|
Wooly Gump
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 09:00:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Verx Interis
Originally by: Wooly Gump
Edited by: Wooly Gump on 24/10/2007 08:09:24
This is f***ing lame. So it takes how many Rokhs to take out one Domi/Mega?
Also how good are the Hyperions compared to the Domin or Megas?
Don't forget the insane shield tank torpedo Rokh. With the new Torpedo buff that thing is going to be scary.
I asked about this setup earlier, people said that if I wanted torpedoes to go with a Raven, and the Rokh was nothing but a railgun/blaster boat.
|
Xaldor
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 09:04:00 -
[29]
Caldari ships are fine as long you don't expect to do a lot of solo PvP. As mentioned by others, shield tanking relies heavily on mid slots for shield resistances and booster if you are active tanking.
The pros of Caldari PvP ships. With relatively low skills you you can field a ship that can take a lot of punishment. Another thing to remember it is not Caldari vs Gallente vs Amarr vs Minmatar, well, not yet at least. You will find ships of all races including Caldari in the enemy ranks.
Yes, Caldari are slow moving buckets with a heavy dependancy on mid slots for tanking. However, you don't "have to" build a massive tank for your ship if you work with a group that plans on shutting down the opposition. Another pro with Caldari is everyone expects you to tank like a Capital ship so you are often not the choice target when there are multiple targets, especially if there are soft targets around.
Unless your specific role is to tank, then don't build to tank. Put in a moderate amount of tanking but save two slots for a web or painter or scrambler.
It is not all about the DPS, the Rook is a powerful recon ship which can shut down any non-capital ship without breaking into a sweat. Basilisk is an awesome logistic ship. If you just want to pewpew Caldari is probably not the choice race, and caldari smaller ships are not all that awe inspiring.
A field Caldari excells in is stealth bombers, typically because most Caldari will have excellent missile skills eventually. With a Manticore you can one shot most frigates with a triple cruise missile salvo and can rip apart any small ships, however, they are not capable of sustaining much damage so require good survival skills and knowledge of what targets to engage and when to engage.
I recommend starting off with a Blackbird, it is a versatile cruiser, has some ECM ability, has reasonable slots layout and you can build an inexpensive combat vessel. If you just care about maximum dps you will probably find other races have the edge in that department.
Caldari's major strength is long range, superior sensor strength and if you build for it a tank that is extremely hard to *****. Survivability has its advantages. While some gunboats will have greater firepower than the Rokh, you could build a Rokh that is almost impossible to kill one-on-one. Most other offensive ships do not have the same kind of longevity.
|
Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 09:08:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Verx Interis
Don't forget the insane shield tank torpedo Rokh. With the new Torpedo buff that thing is going to be scary.
They die quite easy, actually.
Paradox V2.0 is recruiting! |
Wooly Gump
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 09:17:00 -
[31]
Edited by: Wooly Gump on 24/10/2007 09:18:35
Accidental double post, ignore.
|
Wooly Gump
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 09:18:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Verx Interis
Don't forget the insane shield tank torpedo Rokh. With the new Torpedo buff that thing is going to be scary.
They die quite easy, actually.
The Rokh is the reason I specc'd Caldari. However, sniping is 'very, very, very, very, very' limited, so the torpedo Rokh was the setup that I was foremost considering (I hate the Raven).
The torpedo Rokh is that bad, even with the buff?
|
Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Dark Prophecy Inc.
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 09:20:00 -
[33]
The problem is, you need short range weapons to kill anything, because the damage of long range weapons is just very very low. But since almost every caldari ship isnt made for close range fighting, the only real purpose for caldari ships in gangs are some small niches:
-ECM
-killing interceptors (Cerberus is pretty good at it when you specialise)
-picking of enemy support ships which are at higher ranges (like recons and logistic ships)
-nice gang leader ships (drakes/nighthawks/vultures are never primary until everyone else is dead)
Thats pretty much everything i can think off atm.
|
OrcishMonkey
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 09:23:00 -
[34]
Caldari/Solo/PvP Now pick two... Thats Caldari
|
Wooly Gump
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 09:25:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Benn Helmsman
The problem is, you need short range weapons to kill anything, because the damage of long range weapons is just very very low. But since almost every caldari ship isnt made for close range fighting, the only real purpose for caldari ships in gangs are some small niches:
-ECM
-killing interceptors (Cerberus is pretty good at it when you specialise)
-picking of enemy support ships which are at higher ranges (like recons and logistic ships)
-nice gang leader ships (drakes/nighthawks/vultures are never primary until everyone else is dead)
Thats pretty much everything i can think off atm.
Ben, how well would you say Blasterokhs, and Torpedokhs perform?
This is going to be my setup if I continue with Caldari, and I keep hearing differing opinions.
|
Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Dark Prophecy Inc.
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 09:28:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 24/10/2007 09:28:59
Blaster rokhs are tough and not really bad ships, but they are outperformed by gallente ships in most situations.
Torprokhs? I cant really see a point in that, just for nos/neut?
|
Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 09:35:00 -
[37]
Originally by: OrcishMonkey
Caldari/Solo/PvP Now pick two... Thats Caldari
And its so true..whoever thought of that must be brilliant!
Solo they're not worth much but a pair of ravens with proper stups and a tackler can take down any other combination of 2 BS + support without suffering losses, with maybe the exception of a pair of extremely capable dominixes.
Paradox V2.0 is recruiting! |
Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Dark Prophecy Inc.
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 09:39:00 -
[38]
I like the new torp changes, it will bring more ravens back on the field. Finally these huge fire*****er can deal some damage.
|
Deacon Ix
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 09:40:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Benn Helmsman
Edited by: Benn Helmsman on 24/10/2007 09:28:59
Blaster rokhs are tough and not really bad ships, but they are outperformed by gallente ships in most situations.
Torprokhs? I cant really see a point in that, just for nos/neut?
I have had a bit of success in a Torp Rokh solo, can fit a Web and Disrupter and still get a ~1000 DPS tank with juduious application of rigs.
a Torp Rokh is an attrition ship, I have a mix of NOS/neuts and you just have to ware them down.
Passive tanks are a Problem tho...
|
Jennifer Flate
Caldari
The Final Resurrection
YouWhat
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 09:53:00 -
[40]
So as i see it, so far. You have neglected to listen to whatever any people have to say that is good about Caldari and said "OMG get off my thread you dont own a Rokh so you dont have a say". I really dont see why anyone should be helping you with that attitude. But i'll say a few things...
I haven't PvPed in many ships, but i have certainly seen what they can do. But what you have to remember Caldari are very much so a gang race, not many of their ships can solo.
Drake - I have one, it has one of the best if not the best shield tank in the game. May not give out much DPS, but you can stick on a gang mod on it and sit there not being hurt/take pot shots at people. Yes you can solo with it-ish, MWD + HAM.
Crow - Best inty afaik. Uses rockets/standard launchers meaning you don't need to slow down to hit your target.
Nighthawk - Again stupidly good shield tank, but can deal out considerably more DPS than a drake.
Cerberus - Long range missile boat, can just pick off support ships when fighting in big gangs.
Harpy - Very good AF, but uses Hybrid guns, meaning you will need good gunnery skills. Can get close to 200 DPS with blasters, and can shoot up to 110km with rails.
Raven - ultimate PvE machine, lvl 4's if you're in empire, just fly by. and 1.5mil+ BS rats will crumble. Just if you want to get in the money
Rokh - as has been said much about. The best FLEET ship, 250km away. Yes, sniper ships will get 150km+ away from where the battle will be, eg gate camp, so that they wont get hit much.
Manticore - Just to prat around in, killing frigs with cruise launchers etc.
Scorpion - Don't know much about it really. But im sure i have seen it referred to as being able to disable best part of the DPS in a gang.
There you go. Yes there may be other ships that can do some of these jobs better in different races. But there is/never will be a superior race in EVE for a long enough time to specialise in and "pwn" everyone. Just decide what you would like to do best :
Caldari - Long range and mainly fleet warfare
Gallente - Blaster boats short range, good at soloing
Minmatar - Want to go 7km/s+ in a HAC
Amarr - It has cool looking ships, what else would you want. (i hear the curse is pretty good)
There we go. have fun
|
Benn Helmsman
Caldari
Dark Prophecy Inc.
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 09:55:00 -
[41]
Well the problem seems the very very low damage of a torprokh (with 3 BCU II and the new 33% buff to dps with torps) you get like 400dps + drones. Why not use a raven that can deal a lot more damage?
|
Oron
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 10:10:00 -
[42]
Its less about Ship race and more about Weapon Type. If you choose Laser you are stucked to Amarr Ships, if you choose Projectil you are stucked with Matar Ships. If you choose Hybrid you can choose between Caldari and Gallente - and always have a good, sometimes even the best ships to choose from.
Rokh is a great ship. It is talked bad because it can not use its range Bonus in the current mixed sniper gangs.
Other great ships are the Rook, Nighthwak, Buzzard, Manticore, Cerberus, Eagle, Raven, Drake - all have a role in wich they excel.
Don't choose races - choose roles.
|
Tacitus Krekt
The Phoenix Rising
FreeFall Securities
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 10:48:00 -
[43]
Off topic, but a question...
what is this aforementioned torpedo buff? Rook/cerb/Eagle are my pvp boats, so don't pay much attention to the raven these days.
|
Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Republic University
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 10:50:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Tacitus Krekt
Off topic, but a question...
what is this aforementioned torpedo buff? Rook/cerb/Eagle are my pvp boats, so don't pay much attention to the raven these days.
Less range but higher rate of fire. Will probably happen with next expansion.
|
Torco
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 11:16:00 -
[45]
if you look at pvp tournaments, the majority of ships there been Gallente and Caldari
|
Arkanjuca
Caldari
The Undertakers
Brutally Clever Empire
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 11:34:00 -
[46]
Originally by: OrcishMonkey
Caldari/Solo/PvP Now pick two... Thats Caldari
THIS!
The OP comments made me laugh but its true...
Short story, i'm born caldari but trained minmatar to PvP and have another account with an amarr char. What i can say is that caldari is not easy to PvP as its to PvE.
Do you really wanna solo? i dont see much of this these days... really...
--
"Tackling you in the system next door"
|
Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Sublime.
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 11:36:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Torco
if you look at pvp tournaments, the majority of ships there been Gallente and Caldari
Tournament != PvP. In the tournament, you can't warp away. There, everybody suddenly had another midslot freed.
As to the OP, the Caldari suck only if you're an unimaginative fool who thinks that the only POSSIBLE way to PvP is to put your ship up close and pew-pew. Do you know how much havoc a HAM/assault launcher-loaded Cerb/Caracal can wreak on frigates?
------------------------------
One more soldier off to war...
And one Velator in my hangars. |
Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Republic University
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 11:41:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Reem Fairchild on 24/10/2007 11:43:45
Originally by: Torco
if you look at pvp tournaments, the majority of ships there been Gallente and Caldari
Actually, the majority were Caldari with the rest being spread more or less equally between the other 3 races.
|
BornePassive
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 11:44:00 -
[49]
caldari arnt bad, there the best tankers i know, and when you have all the right touches of ewar and support in a fleet your just not gna loose.
|
mictwisted
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 11:50:00 -
[50]
Edited by: mictwisted on 24/10/2007 11:52:55
ok peeps sry for interupting but..... I am way new. and a caldari and u guys are scaring the hell outta me with all this talk about how poor the ships are. Did I make a mistake choosing Caldari?
|
K'jata
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 11:56:00 -
[51]
Do they hell suck at pvp...
The drake for example, if fitted correctly makes a fantastic cate camping ship aswell as being able to a have an uber tank fit it can tank low sec Sentries very well.
Plus the raven and rokh, I'm sure you'll be able to armor tank they sufficiently so the meds can be loaded with target painters, scram, web sensor boosters etc, Its a matter off how well you fit the ship, undersandably you'll be far better off with a different race for pvp, however don't underestimate caldari, no one here can deny the crows capabilities, but don't let that be the only good pvp ship in the caldari race
|
mictwisted
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 11:58:00 -
[52]
thanks. i needed that resurance that i not totally screwed..
|
Sofring Eternus
Amarr
Imperial Academy
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 12:02:00 -
[53]
Seems to me the easiest way to 1 vs 1 PvP with a Caldari battleship is with a Scorpian, it will be tough to fit, but keep a bunch of blasters / torps in the highs, fill the mids with webber, scram, 4 ECM. Then put in 1 or 2 ECM Amps in the lows. That leaves the rest of the slots for either half arsed tank or damage mods.
The point of this ship wouldnt be to do alot of damage or tank alot of damage, but to keep your enemy in place and locked down unable to do anything while you wear them down.
---
ΞνΞ ΘΠLІΠΞ |
Xzar Fyrarr
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 12:08:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Wooly Gump
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
No race's ships suck as a whole (although every race has lots of individual ships that could use a boost).
Well how good is the Rokh. Do i have any chance at taking down a domi? or a hyper? or a mega?
2 words.
Skills.
Fittings.
|
Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 12:14:00 -
[55]
stop making threads about it, caldari are pretty decent in gang pvp, just not solo.
--------------------------
"There's always a bigger blob."
-Qui-Gon Jinn |
Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 12:17:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Wooly Gump
Edited by: Wooly Gump on 24/10/2007 07:34:19
Originally by: Riho
ppl who say caldari suck at pvp... dont fly em right... :/
most whiner say u can solo.... well this isnt a SOLO game.... get someone to put point and web on target and u doo the shooting...
Dude, you have a Gallente ship in your sig. GTFO of my thread please. I hate people who don't play a particular race, yet feel the need to say that 'everything is alright'. If it was so god damn alright you'd have a Rokh in your sig, idiot.
PS you don't fly gallente, and you base your opinion on forum whine, so you should gtfo too. In fact, gallente is getting half their ships nerfed with Rev3, and Caldari is getting the torp buff, stfu for once.
--------------------------
"There's always a bigger blob."
-Qui-Gon Jinn |
Jagre Hett
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 13:01:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Kuzya Morozov
stop making threads about it, Caldari are pretty decent in gang pvp, just not solo.
From reading this forum and watching various battles in the game what you have just stated is what makes Caldari in bad shape.
All races can NPC effectively and decently, all races can gang pvp effectively and decently. All races can solo pvp effectively except for the Caldari. How is that balanced? Of course Amarr are in need of more love than the Caldari at the moment.
|
Madla Mafia
The Dead Man's Hand
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 13:05:00 -
[58]
This thread really did not need to be this long. The simple answer to the original question is: NO. Caldari are not that bad.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The A in Amarr seems to stands for Adapt... |
ColetteLehtola
Lone Starr Corporation
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 14:59:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Madla Mafia
This thread really did not need to be this long. The simple answer to the original question is: NO. Caldari are not that bad.
I agree with you.
How ever I really don't like people to compare all caldari ships to be good/awesome because they can insta pop frigs or be "the best anti support ships". It's just insane to have the best pve race combined with wtf-I-pwn-all-support-ships role.
Caldari can do other things, allthough not as superb as other could have done aswell.
...Where's your god now? |
Arvald
Caldari
House of Tempers
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 15:18:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Riho
ppl who say caldari suck at pvp... dont fly em right... :/
most whiner say u can solo.... well this isnt a SOLO game.... get someone to put point and web on target and u doo the shooting...
this = true
---------------------------
ALL HAIL TO THE TECHNOVIKING
Im in your forums derailing your threads |
ThaDollaGenerale
Free Traders
Free Trade Syndicate
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 16:04:00 -
[61]
I just soloed a harpy in my drake. Who says caldari can't solo 
|
Lazarann
Caldari
Ideal Machine
Nemesis Rising
|
Posted - 2007.10.24 16:23:00 -
[62]
I wouldn't change my race at all. Even though I'd like to solo, eventually I'll cross-train to a different race. I love my nighthawk (the tank is ridiculous) and the Rook is an awesome ship. Any of the Caldari ships will work in small gang pvp, which is just as fun as far as I'm concerned. Hell, I never tank my drakes in pvp, always a MWD, scram, web, etc. Low slots were 2/3 BCU's and whatever else. It was a fun throw-away ship for me. So is the caracal.
I thought about stopping my Caldari training a while back, but I'm glad I didn't. Don't be discouraged by hearing people talk smack about us in PVP, it's still plenty of fun and we're still plenty good at it in groups.
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 3 :: [one page] |