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umop 3pisdn Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:11:00 - [31] Originally by: benzss While the Myrmidon is a little bit overpowered as it is, I still maintain the best way to bring it in line is to make it very difficult to fit medium hybrids in the high slots - either by reducing the number of high slots, number of turret slots, or reducing the powergrid. Making the Myrmidon a Vexor with a fat arse is a joke. Yes. And please tell me the vexor can still launch 2 heavy 2 medium and 1 light drone? It's absolutely limp wristed and pathetic when sat next to a thorax in all other regards bar the "SUPRISE!" factor for bumping vaga pilots when they get 2 webs and some t2 wasps rammed down their throat... i hope it gets a cap buff (wtf is going on there.) as some kind of ****ty recompense for having its only real drawcard (bye nosboats) taken away.
benzss The Increment Retribution.	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:15:00 - [32] I'm still convinced that the majority of real PvPers know full well how to deal with and beat a myrmidon. It's only the carebears that whine about it
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:25:00 - [33] Originally by: Raneru Is it possible to break the passive tank of a drake with a drone bandwidth of 75 and whatever guns you manage to fit after a decent tank is fitted? Is it possible to break a drake with ANY other BC? Only a full out gank BS can break a good passive tanked drake. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Lucas Avignon	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:30:00 - [34] Originally by: Shevar Originally by: Raneru Is it possible to break the passive tank of a drake with a drone bandwidth of 75 and whatever guns you manage to fit after a decent tank is fitted? Is it possible to break a drake with ANY other BC? Only a full out gank BS can break a good passive tanked drake. Hurricane?
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:34:00 - [35] Edited by: Grimpak on 24/10/2007 12:35:34 Originally by: Shevar Originally by: Raneru Is it possible to break the passive tank of a drake with a drone bandwidth of 75 and whatever guns you manage to fit after a decent tank is fitted? Is it possible to break a drake with ANY other BC? Only a full out gank BS can break a good passive tanked drake. I once broke a Drake tank with my deimos. granted I had to use void and it took some 5 minutes, but I broke it. oh and I wasn't using combat drones btw. ECM drones. in addition to the myrm thingy, this nerf doesn't change my way of using the ship at all. been using med drones in it, will continue to do so. --- planetary interaction idea!
Delichon Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:50:00 - [36] Regarding "who can break a Drake's tank" arguement: Guys, there are Drakes and there are Drakes. The first tank 1000 DPS and deal something like 200-300 DPS (drones included) The second tank 200 DPS and deal something like 400-500 DPS Two completely different tanks to break, aren't they?
Heliocon	Posted - 2007.10.24 12:50:00 - [37] This will kill the ship and my 6mil sp in drones dornes are myrms primary damage and medium t2 drones can do NOWHERE near the equivilant 5 t2 blasters.
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.10.24 13:05:00 - [38] Edited by: Shevar on 24/10/2007 13:08:53 Originally by: Lucas Avignon Originally by: Shevar Originally by: Raneru Is it possible to break the passive tank of a drake with a drone bandwidth of 75 and whatever guns you manage to fit after a decent tank is fitted? Is it possible to break a drake with ANY other BC? Only a full out gank BS can break a good passive tanked drake. Hurricane? Erm no. Unless you consider fitting 4 gyros and 2 BCU's normal. Quote: This will kill the ship and my 6mil sp in drones Evil or Very Mad dornes are myrms primary damage and medium t2 drones can do NOWHERE near the equivilant 5 t2 blasters. Another option would be ofcourse to reduce the ammount of highslots to 1 or 2 and let the myrm keep fielding a full set of ogres. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Lucas Avignon	Posted - 2007.10.24 13:28:00 - [39] Well as CCP Oveur reported in his blog: " we're adding a new constraint on drones, bandwidth. With this, bandwidth determines the number of drones you can control, allowing the dronebay to be considerably increased on drone ships, accommodating more waves or variety. Ubar? Ja! " No, more like fubar, anyway if CCP implement it, the only fair way I think is either give the Myrm 125 mb drone bandwidth or give it 100 mb bandwidth so it can field 4 heavies and increase the drone bay to 175m3 thereby giving you more options, either back up drones or a set of medium and light drones.
Heliocon	Posted - 2007.10.24 14:23:00 - [40] Lol this is a bit too far lower the high slots and give ous the same dornes ffs. It is a ddrone boat if anythign take away highs the dornes are fine ocnsidering you can pop them and each one thaty pops lkowers your dps by 20%.
Lucas Avignon	Posted - 2007.10.24 15:05:00 - [41] From what is being reported on Sisi, it seems they have taken the nerf bat and bludgeoned the Myrmidon to death, it can now field 3 heavy drones!!! Alas poor Myrm, I knew him
benzss The Increment Retribution.	Posted - 2007.10.24 15:41:00 - [42] Originally by: Shevar Edited by: Shevar on 24/10/2007 12:34:14 Originally by: Raneru Is it possible to break the passive tank of a drake with a drone bandwidth of 75 and whatever guns you manage to fit after a decent tank is fitted? Is it possible to break a drake with ANY other BC? Only a full out gank BS can break a good passive tanked drake. Originally by: benz While the Myrmidon is a little bit overpowered as it is, I still maintain the best way to bring it in line is to make it very difficult to fit medium hybrids in the high slots - either by reducing the number of high slots, number of turret slots, or reducing the powergrid. Making the Myrmidon a Vexor with a fat arse is a joke. Yes indeed gaining 2 turret slots, 2 mids and 2 lows and a ****load of cap is a "joke"? I wouldn't mind having the myrm fielding 5 heavies if it was exactly same layout/cap/armor as a vexor. But it's not. And quite frankly you would (or actually should) be crying A LOT harder if CCP would have gone that route. Also please tell me what do you think of the hurricane that gains 2 turrets 1 mids and 1 lows compared to the rupture? You consider the hurricane to be a fat joke compared to the rupture? Remember it even has the same dronespace as a rupture. Gimping the high slots on a Myrm brings its DPS down sufficiently to be 'in line' with other races (disregarding the other problems using drones pose, but nevermind). The Myrm has no selling point now. The equivalent would be making the hurricane really slow. Or the Drake with a rubbish shield tank.
Buyerr	Posted - 2007.10.24 15:57:00 - [43] bc use medium weapons so it shouldn't be allowed to field bs type drones. end of story
Bomerang Dai Dai Hai	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:14:00 - [44] Originally by: Buyerr bc use medium weapons so it shouldn't be allowed to field bs type drones. end of story Drake is also a BC, why should it be allowed to tank like a dreadnaught in siege ?
Korran Minare	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:16:00 - [45] What you guys need to remember is that the Myrm was designed by the Gallente to have a big drone bay and have the high and mid slots to be able to keep said drones alive as well
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.24 16:23:00 - [46] Originally by: Bomerang Originally by: Buyerr bc use medium weapons so it shouldn't be allowed to field bs type drones. end of story Drake is also a BC, why should it be allowed to tank like a dreadnaught in siege ? Are you this guy's alt? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.24 17:45:00 - [47] Heavy drones do cruiser weapon dps, target cruiser sized targets, and as such are a cruiser sized weapon system. And to any who claim that drones don't take fittings, guess again. Compare the fitting on drone ships to any other ship of their tier. See how much less fittings they have? Op is right on many points... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Hozac	Posted - 2007.10.24 17:47:00 - [48] Gallente philosophy = overpowered ships.
Ziena Amani	Posted - 2007.10.24 17:56:00 - [49] Originally by: Laboratus Heavy drones do cruiser weapon dps, target cruiser sized targets, and as such are a cruiser sized weapon system. Armageddon w/ 7 MP II and MF at max skills - 450 dps Myrmidon w/ 5 ogres II at max skills ... 475 dps Try again?
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.24 17:56:00 - [50] Gallante fight at point blank Minmatar fight at close range Amarr fight at med range Caldari fight at any range All of these carry some requirements to work, and as such have corresponding increases in effectivenes. Simple as that. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:04:00 - [51] Edited by: Laboratus on 24/10/2007 18:03:57 Originally by: Ziena Amani Originally by: Laboratus Heavy drones do cruiser weapon dps, target cruiser sized targets, and as such are a cruiser sized weapon system. Armageddon w/ 7 MP II and MF at max skills - 450 dps Myrmidon w/ 5 ogres II at max skills ... 475 dps Try again? Thorax w/ 5 neutron IIs 3 damage mods 479dps Myrmie w/ 5 ogre IIs 475 dps Try again? ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Ziena Amani	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:05:00 - [52] Originally by: Laboratus Edited by: Laboratus on 24/10/2007 18:03:57 Originally by: Ziena Amani Originally by: Laboratus Heavy drones do cruiser weapon dps, target cruiser sized targets, and as such are a cruiser sized weapon system. Armageddon w/ 7 MP II and MF at max skills - 450 dps Myrmidon w/ 5 ogres II at max skills ... 475 dps Try again? Thorax w/ 5 neutron IIs 3 damage mods 479dps Myrmie w/ 5 ogre IIs 475 dps Try again? Nerf both?
Dez Affinity Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:14:00 - [53] Originally by: Laboratus Heavy drones do cruiser weapon dps, target cruiser sized targets, and as such are a cruiser sized weapon system. 1 Ogre II almost equals 1 Neutron Blaster Cannon II at around 60 DPS. Don't know of any cruiser than can fit Neutron Blaster Cannon II s _______________
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:16:00 - [54] Originally by: Ziena Amani Nerf both? Fit your ships right. The difference here is, geddon with 3 HS and MP IIs can achieve 850-890 dps depending on crystals used to 15 optimal and ~680 dps to 45km optimal with guns alone and much more if we count the drone dps for the geddon... That is typical battleship class damage... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:17:00 - [55] Originally by: Dez Affinity Originally by: Laboratus Heavy drones do cruiser weapon dps, target cruiser sized targets, and as such are a cruiser sized weapon system. 1 Ogre II almost equals 1 Neutron Blaster Cannon II at around 60 DPS. Don't know of any cruiser than can fit Neutron Blaster Cannon II s Umm... No. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
Ziena Amani	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:24:00 - [56] Originally by: Laboratus Fit your ships right. The difference here is, geddon with 3 HS and MP IIs can achieve 850-890 dps depending on crystals used to 15 optimal and ~680 dps to 45km optimal with guns alone and much more if we count the drone dps for the geddon... I know how to fit my ships, thanks. That was kinda a comparison of primary weapon system on a ship with bonus to it. So?.. The said geddon then has to fit only his lows/mids and an odd high, which can only be used if you're rocking both cpu implants. The said myrmidon have 0 fitted modules at that stage, its guns ARE its damage mods as opposed to geddon. The thorax in question doesn't fit anything else other than to support and deliver that short-lived dps(oh, he can fill his drone bay..). Now, it's funny how you mention geddon doing 850-890 dps as being typical battleship dps.. well, guess what, a myrm can deal that amount of dps(5% less in fact), while having all needed stuff in mids + 1 ewar mod, as well as sporting dual-rep tank(which results in 450 dps tank until cap charges last). If you want to compare.. harbinger and hurricane can theoretically reach that amount of dps, fitting 3 damage mods and nearly no tank, no ew either. Balanced you say? Let me guess, now you'll tell me about drones being destructable, no? Before you do this, please consider what types of EW affect turrets/launchers, while having nearly no effect vs a drone boat.
Dez Affinity Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:26:00 - [57] Originally by: Laboratus Originally by: Dez Affinity Originally by: Laboratus Heavy drones do cruiser weapon dps, target cruiser sized targets, and as such are a cruiser sized weapon system. 1 Ogre II almost equals 1 Neutron Blaster Cannon II at around 60 DPS. Don't know of any cruiser than can fit Neutron Blaster Cannon II s Umm... No. Nice retort. You totally proved me wrong, I have seen the light, thanks for that. _______________
Sendraks Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:31:00 - [58] Originally by: Hozac Gallente philosophy = overpowered ships. As a design philosophy, you have to admit its not a bad one. [french]"Should we make our ships better than everyone elses ships?" "Duuuh, yeah ok."[/french] The whining about the Myrm and Eos is already very old. As a dedicated Brutix/Astarte pilot, I've spent the last few weeks/months (though they feel like years) quietly laughing about the changes. Maybe once the Myrm is balanced, I won't feel "dirty" when flying one.
Dronefragger	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:38:00 - [59] I've seen 2 Drakes take down a Myrm and a Tempest. Drakes need a nerf amirite?
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.10.24 18:38:00 - [60] Originally by: Ziena Amani Now, it's funny how you mention geddon doing 850-890 dps as being typical battleship dps.. well, guess what, a myrm can deal that amount of dps(5% less in fact), while having all needed stuff in mids + 1 ewar mod, as well as sporting dual-rep tank(which results in 450 dps tank until cap charges last). Apples and oranges my friend, apples and oranges. Both fruit, but different. Blaster ships can work their magic in point blank range, while laser ships can do that outside web range... Much less risk, hence more effectivenes. Same goes to projectiles... That 850-890 is without drones. With the correct drones, and faction ammo the geddon goes over the magical 1.2kdps line. Something the myrmie can never dream of. Battlecruisers are between cruisers and battleships in performance, and myrmie fits in it's nieche perfectly. Thorax/vexor < myrmie/brutix < domi/mega. It fit's it's role perfectly. If it can fly only med drones it will be outperformed by the thorax in everything except tank and ew... Call that balanced? This thread is for discussion of myrmie, and how it fit's into gallante philosophy, so I won't derail the thread by going further into other race ships... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats

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