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Fredfredbug4 Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control 25	Posted - 2012.01.25 20:56:00 - [1] - Quote While the recent patch was most certainly an improvement. It seems that Gallente still isn't used as much as I would hope. From what I've seen, certain ships like the Talos are dealing more damage than ships of a larger size which is quite an improvement. However it seems that Minmatar and Amarr still dominate Armor gangs. Is this because people simply don't feel like training up Gallente as they have already trained the others? Or is it because Gallente ships aren't doing as well as the others? Not a whine, just a question.
Deen Wispa Screaming War Eagles Incorporated 96	Posted - 2012.01.25 21:09:00 - [2] - Quote It takes more than a couple of months post-Crucible to have Gallente ships gain more acceptance. Consider the Talos for example. You need large t2 guns and people like myself never bothered training for it pre-Crucible. But it is something I would consider now and it's just a matter of finding the time to put it into the skillplan. Btw- Gallente ships were always viable pre-Cruicible. It's just the whole 'Winmatar' meme that tends to be heard more than Gaylente and such. .
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 689	Posted - 2012.01.25 21:11:00 - [3] - Quote I have been really enjoying blaster ships since Crucible. The latest Null patch is ... uh, powerful. To say the least. :) -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Fredfredbug4 Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control 25	Posted - 2012.01.25 21:16:00 - [4] - Quote So the number of Gallente ships will go up after a few months when people have finally trained their skills up? Good to know that I have a several month lead from making the "mistake" of training gallente ships early in my days.
Cambarus Baros Reloaded 122	Posted - 2012.01.25 21:21:00 - [5] - Quote I keep telling myself that I'm going to start pvping again, but I just can't bring myself to join/make a corp and every time I end up in the mood to play eve I tend to log onto sisi to play with the moros, because hooooooly crap is that thing overpowered. That said I'd say with the incoming null buff that blasters are going to be fine. TBH it's not the buff I would have liked to see, but it at least makes them viable.
Julius Foederatus Hyper-Nova 58	Posted - 2012.01.25 21:39:00 - [6] - Quote They're better, but the dynamic is still shield > armor, and a lot of Gallente ships are terrible shield tankers. So null buff aside (and you'll never match the effective range/dps of ACs/pulses with blasters), the dynamic is still shortest range gets the slowest speed, if you want a tank that isn't fail.
Fredfredbug4 Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control 25	Posted - 2012.01.25 21:44:00 - [7] - Quote Julius Foederatus wrote: They're better, but the dynamic is still shield > armor, and a lot of Gallente ships are terrible shield tankers. So null buff aside (and you'll never match the effective range/dps of ACs/pulses with blasters), the dynamic is still shortest range gets the slowest speed, if you want a tank that isn't fail. I don't think it has anything to do with shields vs armor, if so it isn't the main issue. My alliance and corp mostly run armor gangs and we have been seeing great success, ESPECIALLY against shields.
Julius Foederatus Hyper-Nova 58	Posted - 2012.01.25 21:46:00 - [8] - Quote I'll bite, give me some details on these successes. What kind of guns have you been using? Did you have logi? Did you have more logi than they did? Did you outnumber them? Did you have more ewar? What was the size of the fight in terms of pilots participating? What ships did you use? We can dissect how relevant your anecdotes are with this info.
Fredfredbug4 Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control 25	Posted - 2012.01.25 21:58:00 - [9] - Quote Julius Foederatus wrote: I'll bite, give me some details on these successes. What kind of guns have you been using? Pulses, Autocannons, Blasters, the usual Armor weapons. Quote: Did you have logi? Did you have more logi than they did? Did you outnumber them? Sometimes we do. We often don't We would either have around the same or more. Most of the time. Quote: Did you have more ewar? Sometimes we do. Quote: What was the size of the fight in terms of pilots participating? Small gangs Quote: What ships did you use? Varies, we usually grab any armor ship we feel like using. I apologize for not being more specific, but anything more specific than this could compromise security.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 689	Posted - 2012.01.25 22:00:00 - [10] - Quote At least link to a few fights from your kb. Its not like those would compromise security. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Lili Lu 151	Posted - 2012.01.25 22:07:00 - [11] - Quote Cambarus wrote: I keep telling myself that I'm going to start pvping again, but I just can't bring myself to join/make a corp and every time I end up in the mood to play eve I tend to log onto sisi to play with the moros, because hooooooly crap is that thing overpowered.. But then there's Titans, so meh
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 309	Posted - 2012.01.25 22:14:00 - [12] - Quote Fredfredbug4 wrote: My alliance and corp mostly run armor gangs and we have been seeing great success, ESPECIALLY against shields. It's probably more about pilot skill than tank it is about tank flavor. I'd be willing to bet you could beat the same shield tanking group again and again, but fail miserably at fighting a roughly equivalent shield gang flown by 'better pilots'.
Dark Pangolin Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse 49	Posted - 2012.01.25 22:48:00 - [13] - Quote Shield/Nano with experienced pilots should always be able to retreat "run away" from a heavier and slower Armor gang. In general the in your face armor gang will win a straight up brawl within 20km. The standard nano-shield Drake/Cane fleet with 1 Lach can kite at 50km... I've seen it happen over and over and over. At the end of the day when both sides are experienced enough. It ends in a draw. If the Shield gang is trapped, they will lose 1-2 guys before the rest all burn away. If the Armor gang is stupid and chases the shield gang...they will lose 1-3 guys before they realize its best to a) burn back to gate b) just warp away. Gal ships are great brawlers. If you're going to have a stand up fight, get in something blastery, get in close, overheat, and pray. For roaming fleets, when you don't know what you're running into I always prefer Shield/Nano, it offer the most maneuverability and engagement options. For a stand up fight (POS defense, Gate/Station game) go for heavier armor. if your mission is to sit there and deal out DPS while soaking DPS then you want armor. If your mission is to roam the space lanes...roam those sexy space lanes in something sleek and fast! I find Gal armor boats shine in the BS department (Mega/Domi). BSs are supposed to be slow (nano-pest aside). Big old Mega shooting out blastery goodness is nothing to scoff at. Not to mention Vindicators are SICK! Having said all that, I personally prefer Amarr for Armor and Cal/Minnie for shield...but I <3 laz0rz and shields...if they would make the sansha ships just a LITTLE faster, I would fly nothing but sansha! BOW TO OUR SANSHA OVERLORDS! TRUE POWER! TRUE POWER! TRUE POWER! TRUE POWER! TRUE POWER! (P.S. Blaster Rokh with Null....GO!)
Fredfredbug4 Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control 25	Posted - 2012.01.26 00:09:00 - [14] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: At least link to a few fights from your kb. Its not like those would compromise security. -Liang http://kok.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12154208 Good example of how a well coordinated armor fleet can take on a nano ship. He was moving at around 2km/s. Even though our interceptor was able to point him he was still moving much faster than our ships, but this pretty much debunks the myth that nano ships can always outrun armor ships. Note how the Talos did most of the damage, which seems to show that they are pretty viable ships.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 692	Posted - 2012.01.26 00:19:00 - [15] - Quote I'm not sure that linking a single fight where you outnumbered an enemy by 6:1 (including a falcon) is a good example of why armor ships are particularly viable. Not disputing it, just pointing out its a terrible example. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Fredfredbug4 Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control 25	Posted - 2012.01.26 00:48:00 - [16] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: I'm not sure that linking a single fight where you outnumbered an enemy by 6:1 (including a falcon) is a good example of why armor ships are particularly viable. Not disputing it, just pointing out its a terrible example. -Liang Oh well, we usually run gangs so we either outnumber them or they outnumber us (them being anyone we find to fight). We had a 2:1 advantage against two nano drakes. http://kok.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12140486 http://kok.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12140494 I didn't witness the fight myself but I think they may have been able to outrun my corp buddies (at least one of the drakes) but I can't provide too much info on it. http://kok.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12141148 4:1 fight. Probably not a very good example either given we had a mach and a numerical advantage, but my Navy Omen doing 25% of the damage is pretty impressive for a ship of it's size (and my amarr related skills are rather "meh" at the moment).
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 159	Posted - 2012.01.26 00:55:00 - [17] - Quote Julius Foederatus wrote: They're better, but the dynamic is still shield > armor, and a lot of Gallente ships are terrible shield tankers. So null buff aside (and you'll never match the effective range/dps of ACs/pulses with blasters), the dynamic is still shortest range gets the slowest speed, if you want a tank that isn't fail. shields vrs armour eh? one word HELLCATS!
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 692	Posted - 2012.01.26 01:00:00 - [18] - Quote Those first two aren't nano drakes... and calling them that really adds a lot of weight against your argument. The one that actually was a nano Drake got caught by a Mach (and what would likely be a shield gang) so its not very interesting. I think pretty much anyone is willing to admit that armor is viable when you start measuring how much outnumber your enemy by in multiples. I was really hoping for a link like this: http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3152 (last night, fwiw) -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 791	Posted - 2012.01.26 01:02:00 - [19] - Quote Fredfredbug4 wrote: Km's stuff Hem...then should this KM prove armor sucks and shield nano wins? The only thing your stuff has proved atm is that 2 solo drakes taken by a larger armor gang get killed. It can succeed doesn't mean it's bad, useless or good, just means nothing. Now top 20 numbers mean something. And if I was you I wouldn't be that enthusiast
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 692	Posted - 2012.01.26 01:03:00 - [20] - Quote Tanya Powers wrote: Now top 20 numbers mean something. Yes, it reflects popularity and blobs... which doesn't necessarily mean anything to me. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Khrage 89	Posted - 2012.01.26 01:04:00 - [21] - Quote 'Going Green List' - the list of the ships that make Gallente, as you say, "up to par," PvP wise. Talos Myrm Domi (+navy) Mega (+navy) Thanny Nyx Moros Deimos Ishtar Phobos Lach Araz Proteus (+it's many forms) Vexor (+navy) Thorax Catalyst Enyo Ishkur Taranis Velator (best noobship... lol) and 9 pirate faction ship that use their skills (Worm, Gila, Rattler, Dram, Cyn, Mach, DD, Vig, and Vindi)
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 791	Posted - 2012.01.26 01:09:00 - [22] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Tanya Powers wrote: Now top 20 numbers mean something. Yes, it reflects popularity and blobs... which doesn't necessarily mean anything to me. -Liang Yes but you are not either the representation of the average player, right? So why should you count more than someone else? Was just an opinion heh
Zarnak Wulf CTRL-Q 222	Posted - 2012.01.26 01:28:00 - [23] - Quote Tanya Powers wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: Tanya Powers wrote: Now top 20 numbers mean something. Yes, it reflects popularity and blobs... which doesn't necessarily mean anything to me. -Liang Yes but you are not either the representation of the average player, right? So why should you count more than someone else? Was just an opinion heh In 2012, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they probably did commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Amamake underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, if you can find their Orca, and if they don't shoot you in the face first.... maybe you can hire the Heretic Army... (cue music)
Fredfredbug4 Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control 25	Posted - 2012.01.26 01:28:00 - [24] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: armor is viable when you start measuring how much outnumber your enemy by in multiples. -Liang Reasonable enough.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 791	Posted - 2012.01.26 02:03:00 - [25] - Quote Zarnak Wulf wrote: Tanya Powers wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: Tanya Powers wrote: Now top 20 numbers mean something. Yes, it reflects popularity and blobs... which doesn't necessarily mean anything to me. -Liang Yes but you are not either the representation of the average player, right? So why should you count more than someone else? Was just an opinion heh In 2012, a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they probably did commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Amamake underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, if you can find their Orca, and if they don't shoot you in the face first.... maybe you can hire the Heretic Army... (cue music) I was just thinking about take a good brandy and a smoke when I read your stuff. No need any more And who need mercs when you have thousands of ants? -I'll just paint a target on that orca and you'll see how long it will take before it becomes a simple wreck
Hungry Eyes Ministry of War Amarr Empire 353	Posted - 2012.01.26 03:16:00 - [26] - Quote mega - great after null buff, rails decent too deimos - solid AHAC now, still outshined by zealot talos - probably the best tier 3 bc myrm - always was awesome, but hybrids didnt make it so; 425mm's + shield tank make it deadly ishkur - just cuz the rest are subpar compared to their counterparts from other races.
Hrett Quantum Cats Syndicate 35	Posted - 2012.01.26 06:45:00 - [27] - Quote Hungry Eyes wrote: mega - great after null buff, rails decent too deimos - solid AHAC now, still outshined by zealot talos - probably the best tier 3 bc myrm - always was awesome, but hybrids didnt make it so; 425mm's + shield tank make it deadly ishkur - just cuz the rest are subpar compared to their counterparts from other races. Needs moar: Thorax Vexor Dominix And the nano 250mm rail brutix is growing on me for a fleet ship. It still suffers from fitting issues, but as a pilot who prefers to fly 'pure' gallente, I have been sneaking it into nano fleets when the FC isnt picky, and it has performed well. It has lower alpha than a cane of course, but the DPS is the same at 60k, it has slightly better tracking, it has a higher native lock range, and the 5 second ammo swap allows for the use of multiple ammo types during battle. Oh, and Javelin kicks ass. I think if the Brutix gets a fitting/slot tweak during the T1 BC review, its going to be a nice gunboat. I havent tried the blaster version with the new null yet, but I am looking forward to it.
Party Lips Blackened Skies THE UNTHINKABLES 7	Posted - 2012.01.26 07:18:00 - [28] - Quote it's pretty even these days except armor can't act like a pure nano gang. however armor in my opinion has the advantage in a prolonged engagment. in the end it comes down to the individual pilots and the FCs. gallente ships are very good but takes allot more sp to get good use out of them then the other races.
The Djego Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition 17	Posted - 2012.01.26 12:19:00 - [29] - Quote The bigger hulls are still terrible for point blank solo/small gang pvp, but I guess this will never change for the better again, at least as long people think they should be just like minmtar. The null buff, while sufficient enough to push blasters to medium range, was pretty pointless since it only helps shield setups and a change to rails would have been more useful to tweak them into useful fleet ships.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 792	Posted - 2012.01.26 12:28:00 - [30] - Quote The Djego wrote: The bigger hulls are still terrible for point blank solo/small gang pvp, but I guess this will never change for the better again, at least as long people think they should be just like minmtar. The null buff, while sufficient enough to push blasters to medium range, was pretty pointless since it only helps shield setups and a change to rails would have been more useful to tweak them into useful fleet ships. Well actually Null buff helped med hulls by a lot, now instead of just look yourself being kited to dead, a very slow death, now yoy can just think about fit on your Deimos TE's in the first place then swap to null and still do decent dmg at max regular disrupt range (30km) witch is exactly what blaster ships needed to impose to opponents "you either have the balls to engage or just go play with your sand castle somewhere else" Rails: well the Munin can still alpha a lot of stuff Deimos will take ages to kill, yes they are better but from then say they're good and valid option versus arty it's clearly noes and let's not even compare it with the all mighty Zealot. Maybe around 2015 when hybrids rebalance will be finished and ships bonus will be reworked the rails Deimos will be interesting.

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