They're better, but the dynamic is still shield > armor, and a lot of Gallente ships are terrible shield tankers. So null buff aside (and you'll never match the effective range/dps of ACs/pulses with blasters), the dynamic is still shortest range gets the slowest speed, if you want a tank that isn't fail.

I'll bite, give me some details on these successes.

What kind of guns have you been using?

Did you have logi? Did you have more logi than they did? Did you outnumber them?

Did you have more ewar?

What was the size of the fight in terms of pilots participating?

What ships did you use?

I keep telling myself that I'm going to start pvping again, but I just can't bring myself to join/make a corp and every time I end up in the mood to play eve I tend to log onto sisi to play with the moros, because hooooooly crap is that thing overpowered..

My alliance and corp mostly run armor gangs and we have been seeing great success, ESPECIALLY against shields.

At least link to a few fights from your kb. Its not like those would compromise security.

-Liang

I'm not sure that linking a single fight where you outnumbered an enemy by 6:1 (including a falcon) is a good example of why armor ships are particularly viable. Not disputing it, just pointing out its a terrible example.

-Liang

They're better, but the dynamic is still shield > armor, and a lot of Gallente ships are terrible shield tankers. So null buff aside (and you'll never match the effective range/dps of ACs/pulses with blasters), the dynamic is still shortest range gets the slowest speed, if you want a tank that isn't fail.

Km's stuff

Now top 20 numbers mean something.

Yes, it reflects popularity and blobs... which doesn't necessarily mean anything to me.

-Liang

Yes but you are not either the representation of the average player, right?
So why should you count more than someone else?

Was just an opinion heh

armor is viable when you start measuring how much outnumber your enemy by in multiples.

-Liang

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mega - great after null buff, rails decent too
deimos - solid AHAC now, still outshined by zealot
talos - probably the best tier 3 bc
myrm - always was awesome, but hybrids didnt make it so; 425mm's + shield tank make it deadly
ishkur - just cuz

the rest are subpar compared to their counterparts from other races.

The bigger hulls are still terrible for point blank solo/small gang pvp, but I guess this will never change for the better again, at least as long people think they should be just like minmtar.

The null buff, while sufficient enough to push blasters to medium range, was pretty pointless since it only helps shield setups and a change to rails would have been more useful to tweak them into useful fleet ships.

Needs moar:
Thorax
Vexor
Dominix

And the nano 250mm rail brutix is growing on me for a fleet ship. It still suffers from fitting issues, but as a pilot who prefers to fly 'pure' gallente, I have been sneaking it into nano fleets when the FC isnt picky, and it has performed well. It has lower alpha than a cane of course, but the DPS is the same at 60k, it has slightly better tracking, it has a higher native lock range, and the 5 second ammo swap allows for the use of multiple ammo types during battle. Oh, and Javelin kicks ass. I think if the Brutix gets a fitting/slot tweak during the T1 BC review, its going to be a nice gunboat.

I havent tried the blaster version with the new null yet, but I am looking forward to it.

To ignore the continued the discussion and adress the OP:

Gallente always were viable, though changing trend is difficult, and they had issues with scaling that still exist.

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gallente were always situational, and now theyre less situational and actually have a few viable boats (mostly Talos, Ishkur and Mega). with most Gallente boats, other races still do it better. this is why im hoping medium rails will get some more love, to make Deimos competitive with the Zealot.

and almost every ship is situational... and ships that do 'everything too well' (drake for example) get nerfed. there are a select few ships that are completely better than another in every regard. standing by my first post in the thread, 'going green list,' gallente has plenty of ships that are 'up to par' and are the best in some situations, just like every other race.

deimos is meant for blasters/ and the reason why it gets such a bad rep is because it is such a big threat it gets primaried all the time. and i've read a few things that number crunch, test, and what not and say the nano deimos is better than the vaga in every way other than range and speed. so obviously there are situations when the vaga is better and situations when the deimos is and situations when the zealot is better, etc etc etc.

they are up to par, stop with the QQ threads.

nano Deimos and Vaga both suck, as long as Blastos and Cynabal exist