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rittersporn2 Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:55:00 - [31] My 42 cent on ports and proxies and why I don't think the new ports will change a lot: Often people are behind firewalls. Most firewalls are working very strict by blocking all unknown traffic so most likely if you are blocked on port 26000 (which is a defacto port for online games since Quake1 started to use it in 1996) you are most likely also blocked on other ports. Whenever Firewalls are around it is often required to use a proxy - either by manually entering one into your software, eg browser, or a transparent proxy which basically catches your normal communication and relays it through a proxy. The Problem about a proxy: it is applicationspecific. So a proxy may relay http/web, ftp, irc and so on, but only protocols which it is aware of. Thats because a proxy actually interacts with the client, server and application and is not just handing data through. So most likely a proxy will NOT support unknown stuff like Quake, Urban Terror, EVE, your favorite P2P software and so on. As a proxy is rarely under control of the users behind it we simple endusers can't change what a proxy is aware of. Simple, over and out. Two solutions: 1. Using a Proxy compliant way of communication. CCP could develop a more robust and traditional alternative protocol for proxy users. One could pack the EVE-communication inside HTTP-valid data, which has become the lingua franca of the net anyway. If carefully crafted this works very well. But it produces some additional overhead, traffic, lag and CCPs router/servers might need more power. All in all I think it isn't flawless but should be doable and without major drawbacks. 2. Using tunneling through SSH SSH is the standard protocol for remote control and rarely blocked. If you happen to have access to a computer in the internet running ssh (be it windows or unix) you might tunnel a port by using ssh and Putty: ssh -g -L26000:87.237.38.200:26000 yourinternetserver.com Or you use Putty which supports tunneling under Connection=>SSH=>Tunnels. Now the problem: CCP doesn't allow us to supply our own server address. Usually I would connect to something like localhost:26000 or gateway:26000 but I can't enter it at the logon screen. So one has to define an alias address for the physical data of CCPs server with something like (linux) ifconfig eth0:0 87.237.38.200 on the gateway. Not very nice to be honest. Don't ask me how to do it with windows but I think W2K and WXP can do aliasing too. All in All I would hope for a closer contact between CCP and network-aware users to make tunneling and proxying a lot more workable. Ritters****2 (name censored to protect minors like you) Graduate of Darth Vader School of Personal Management
Commander Kahn'Alzaor	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:05:00 - [32] In windows XP to alias an IP Network Connections => Right click the interface => properties => TCP/IP Properties => advanced Then you can add another IP to the interface :)
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.10.25 02:16:00 - [33] Originally by: Wagstaff Originally by: CCP Wrangler It's not their port, they don't own it. It was assigned to them by the IANA. Who also assigned 26000 to Quake, and maybe that's the reason 26000 gets blocked or shaped in some places. It would help if you picked a port that wasn't shared with somebody who will tempt ISPs to block or shape your traffic; maybe even go to the IANA yourselves and get one assigned to you. The IANA has absolutely no jurisdiction over port numbers. In fact, to quote IANA: Originally by: IANA The IANA registers uses of these ports as a convenience to the community. They're merely compiling the list so you don't accidentally step on someone else's toes and assign a port to a custom service that you might later like to use to host a different service on its standard port. Since I'll go out on a limb and say it's unlikely TQ will start hosting a copy of the WoW server, using this port is A-OK. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.10.25 02:27:00 - [34] Originally by: ritters**2 My 42 cent on ports and proxies and why I don't think the new ports will change a lot: Often people are behind firewalls. Most firewalls are working very strict by blocking all unknown traffic so most likely if you are blocked on port 26000 (which is a defacto port for online games since Quake1 started to use it in 1996) you are most likely also blocked on other ports. Whenever Firewalls are around it is often required to use a proxy - either by manually entering one into your software, eg browser, or a transparent proxy which basically catches your normal communication and relays it through a proxy. The Problem about a proxy: it is applicationspecific. So a proxy may relay http/web, ftp, irc and so on, but only protocols which it is aware of. Thats because a proxy actually interacts with the client, server and application and is not just handing data through. So most likely a proxy will NOT support unknown stuff like Quake, Urban Terror, EVE, your favorite P2P software and so on. As a proxy is rarely under control of the users behind it we simple endusers can't change what a proxy is aware of. Simple, over and out. Two solutions: 1. Using a Proxy compliant way of communication. CCP could develop a more robust and traditional alternative protocol for proxy users. One could pack the EVE-communication inside HTTP-valid data, which has become the lingua franca of the net anyway. If carefully crafted this works very well. But it produces some additional overhead, traffic, lag and CCPs router/servers might need more power. All in all I think it isn't flawless but should be doable and without major drawbacks. 2. Using tunneling through SSH SSH is the standard protocol for remote control and rarely blocked. If you happen to have access to a computer in the internet running ssh (be it windows or unix) you might tunnel a port by using ssh and Putty: ssh -g -L26000:87.237.38.200:26000 yourinternetserver.com Or you use Putty which supports tunneling under Connection=>SSH=>Tunnels. Now the problem: CCP doesn't allow us to supply our own server address. Usually I would connect to something like localhost:26000 or gateway:26000 but I can't enter it at the logon screen. So one has to define an alias address for the physical data of CCPs server with something like (linux) ifconfig eth0:0 87.237.38.200 on the gateway. Not very nice to be honest. Don't ask me how to do it with windows but I think W2K and WXP can do aliasing too. All in All I would hope for a closer contact between CCP and network-aware users to make tunneling and proxying a lot more workable. Actually, if your proxy supports connecting securely to HTTPS sites, it's easy enough to build an app to tunnel through that. See this document for a bit more information. Note that you may have to slightly reconfigure your proxy to do this, but a remarkable number of the ones I've tested disable 25, 22, 23, 21, etc., but default to allow because of the large number of strange SSL ports in use (in URI's, you'll often see ":8080", ":8888", and so forth). If you have no idea what I'm talking about, my standard rate for non-contract network consultation is $75/hour, or $150/hour for on-site work. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
LancerSix Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.10.25 02:34:00 - [35] In Windows I believe theres something you can do involving the Hosts file to redirect traffic to a remote address back through localhost, but I've never done it. Other than that Putty tends to be the easiest way to do things like this I find. Throw up an SSH server (could even do it on 80 probably, if you wanted to be sneaky) and go to town through a perfectly encrypted tunnel .
Danari Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:05:00 - [36] My mind boggles at a non-business entity -- let alone an ISP -- arbitrarily blocking some random harmless port. Did this change actually solve anyone's problem?
LaVista Vista Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:26:00 - [37] Port 80 or nothing. My school blocks everything but 80 pretty much, so eh. Proud nublet of more public ISK than * CAP4U - The Plan
Ather Ialeas Amarr Exercitus Solus	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:36:00 - [38] Originally by: Pilk Originally by: Wagstaff Originally by: CCP Wrangler It's not their port, they don't own it. It was assigned to them by the IANA. Who also assigned 26000 to Quake, and maybe that's the reason 26000 gets blocked or shaped in some places. It would help if you picked a port that wasn't shared with somebody who will tempt ISPs to block or shape your traffic; maybe even go to the IANA yourselves and get one assigned to you. The IANA has absolutely no jurisdiction over port numbers. In fact, to quote IANA: Originally by: IANA The IANA registers uses of these ports as a convenience to the community. They're merely compiling the list so you don't accidentally step on someone else's toes and assign a port to a custom service that you might later like to use to host a different service on its standard port. Since I'll go out on a limb and say it's unlikely TQ will start hosting a copy of the WoW server, using this port is A-OK. --P However it's not easy to get a port listed to IANA as yours unless you have major use of that port. WoW's what, 8-9 million subscribers count as major use while EVE's port usage most likely loses to Quake's server query packets. -
Fatsam Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:53:00 - [39] Edited by: Fatsam on 25/10/2007 08:53:12 I tried to swop ports when it got blocked by the ISP last night. It didn't help as I couldn't connect with 3724 either.
Will Stronghold Firing Squad	Posted - 2007.10.25 09:28:00 - [40] Thank you, this really helps. Now I can change skills even when at work. That really rocks

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.10.25 10:53:00 - [41] Originally by: Will Stronghold Thank you, this really helps. Now I can change skills even when at work. That really rocks I'm sure your boss will be thrilled... Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang "The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it."

Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.10.25 13:48:00 - [42] Is there any chance of getting some information/possible solutions or feedback for those of us that still can't even when using port 3724? The connection doesn't seem to be blocked, it just times out or is closed at the "entering game" screen.
Condecinte	Posted - 2007.10.25 14:18:00 - [43] Connection Timeout - The server did not initiate the compatibility-handshake within a reasonable amount of time -----
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.10.25 14:33:00 - [44] sweet i guess, but i still cant play from school oh well the connection is rather bad anyways
SauronTheMage Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2007.10.25 15:39:00 - [45] Originally by: Lemy Caution For example when you are using a web browser, you are connecting by port 80 - when using a 'secure' web site, port 443, or ftp 23. heh, actually port 23 is telnet and FTP is port 21. Also SSH is 22. In regards to this alternative port, I really don't see the need for it. The people complaining about not being able to access eve are probably either... A) At work, which means they shouldn't be on eve anyways as that is not what they are being paid to do. or B) At some kind of public internet place which do not want you using their bandwidth for gaming purposes (library / university / wifi networks etc). If you are on campus and wanna play eve, then get an internet account from the local ISP for your dorm room. The blocks are there for a reason. If by some chance a residential isp is actually blocking this from your connection at home, then contact them to find out why. If they don't have an answer about if it is blocked, then ask to have them escalate a ticket to verify if port 2600 is blocked / filtered. In the meantime for an alternative port you can always use port 6667 provided your irc network isn't on the same system as eve. :)
Fatsam Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.25 15:46:00 - [46] Originally by: SauronTheMage Originally by: Lemy Caution For example when you are using a web browser, you are connecting by port 80 - when using a 'secure' web site, port 443, or ftp 23. heh, actually port 23 is telnet and FTP is port 21. Also SSH is 22. In regards to this alternative port, I really don't see the need for it. The people complaining about not being able to access eve are probably either... A) At work, which means they shouldn't be on eve anyways as that is not what they are being paid to do. or B) At some kind of public internet place which do not want you using their bandwidth for gaming purposes (library / university / wifi networks etc). If you are on campus and wanna play eve, then get an internet account from the local ISP for your dorm room. The blocks are there for a reason. If by some chance a residential isp is actually blocking this from your connection at home, then contact them to find out why. If they don't have an answer about if it is blocked, then ask to have them escalate a ticket to verify if port 2600 is blocked / filtered. In the meantime for an alternative port you can always use port 6667 provided your irc network isn't on the same system as eve. :) The reason 26000 port gets blocked is because of my ISP Tiscali blocking that port. They define internet games as "unreasonable use" as their service is for "internet browsing only". So they stop people playing them. I know what your going to say - change provider
SauronTheMage Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2007.10.25 16:18:00 - [47] Originally by: Fatsam Edited by: Fatsam on 25/10/2007 15:46:50 Originally by: SauronTheMage Originally by: Lemy Caution For example when you are using a web browser, you are connecting by port 80 - when using a 'secure' web site, port 443, or ftp 23. heh, actually port 23 is telnet and FTP is port 21. Also SSH is 22. In regards to this alternative port, I really don't see the need for it. The people complaining about not being able to access eve are probably either... A) At work, which means they shouldn't be on eve anyways as that is not what they are being paid to do. or B) At some kind of public internet place which do not want you using their bandwidth for gaming purposes (library / university / wifi networks etc). If you are on campus and wanna play eve, then get an internet account from the local ISP for your dorm room. The blocks are there for a reason. If by some chance a residential isp is actually blocking this from your connection at home, then contact them to find out why. If they don't have an answer about if it is blocked, then ask to have them escalate a ticket to verify if port 2600 is blocked / filtered. In the meantime for an alternative port you can always use port 6667 provided your irc network isn't on the same system as eve. :) The reason 26000 port gets blocked (for me) is because of my ISP Tiscali blocking that port. They define internet games as "unreasonable use" as their service is for "internet browsing only". So they stop people playing them. I know what your going to say - change provider Heh wow. Considering the reason for them blocking the port, that would probably be my suggestion. That is so dumb that they call it unreasonable use. So then they are going to say that they will be setting up filters to prevent you from downloading anything off the internet since you are not browsing anymore but transfering files to the pc? Man I hope that is not your only isp in the area. although it is technically their network, there should be some kind of law against blocking usage of games etc since an internet connection is not defined as a connection for which a customer can only browse web content on. If this issue would have been about P2P being blocked then I could understand because of the high percentage of people who use it for illegal purposes. Blocking games is just plain stupid and if they are not the only provider you can get then they are only shooting themselves in the foot.
Bejcon	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:41:00 - [48] Nice port, we'll take it.
Snaith Minmatar Bug Eyed Monsters	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:50:00 - [49] Originally by: Fatsam Edited by: Fatsam on 25/10/2007 15:46:50 Originally by: SauronTheMage Originally by: Lemy Caution For example when you are using a web browser, you are connecting by port 80 - when using a 'secure' web site, port 443, or ftp 23. heh, actually port 23 is telnet and FTP is port 21. Also SSH is 22. In regards to this alternative port, I really don't see the need for it. The people complaining about not being able to access eve are probably either... A) At work, which means they shouldn't be on eve anyways as that is not what they are being paid to do. or B) At some kind of public internet place which do not want you using their bandwidth for gaming purposes (library / university / wifi networks etc). If you are on campus and wanna play eve, then get an internet account from the local ISP for your dorm room. The blocks are there for a reason. If by some chance a residential isp is actually blocking this from your connection at home, then contact them to find out why. If they don't have an answer about if it is blocked, then ask to have them escalate a ticket to verify if port 2600 is blocked / filtered. In the meantime for an alternative port you can always use port 6667 provided your irc network isn't on the same system as eve. :) The reason 26000 port gets blocked (for me) is because of my ISP Tiscali blocking that port. They define internet games as "unreasonable use" as their service is for "internet browsing only". So they stop people playing them. I know what your going to say - change provider Tiscali said yesterday............ "This hasn't died a death yet. The team that I am dealing with are still addressing this, and although this is a priority to you gamers, it doesn't affect the other million plus customer we have. This issue is going forward, and will I'm sure be resolved in due course, it just happens that their due course is not the same as the gamers. I know this will upset everybody, but at least we're not ignoring this. It is indeed good to know that Eve are trying other ports, can you let us know how that goes please. __________________ Regards Brett Technical Administrator Tiscali UK LTD " They have said before , and so have many other ISP's that they do not block ports for Eve. Are you using p2p software at the same time as Eve ?
Aeco Feife	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:59:00 - [50] Just wanted to add that I had real trouble using port 26000, and couldn't figure it out even with my network admin's help for the longest time (I'm not real bright). But turns out the traffic shaper was classifying all EVE traffic as Quake-A due to the port number, a class the admin had already severely restricted. Once he realized that EVE was being considered as Quake by the shaper, he was able to change a priority and now its dreamy. I don't need the new port now, but good move CCP for folks with less compliant admins.
Hilly22222 Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2007.10.25 19:02:00 - [51] Originally by: CCP Wrangler C:\Users\%USERNAME%\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE\settings if you use VISTA and edit the PREFS.INI file. Please change the networkAdvanced=0 to networkAdvanced=1. i cant get past the stage of the users part....after i click on my username..there is nothing called appdata...and i use vista i r very perplexed
Jovoich Towers Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.25 20:00:00 - [52] Now when i try to use port 26000 i get 'Unable to connect to the selected server. Please check the address and try again' any ideas?
Poison Lord	Posted - 2007.10.25 20:11:00 - [53] 26000 3724 neither working at moment but that said i am on Tiscali, and they know the problem just cant be #### to get it sorted out
cabbs again	Posted - 2007.10.25 20:12:00 - [54] Hilly, its hidden. You need to type it all into the address bar. I have a question myself. I have been unable to play eve due to my Uni's resnet, but with this change I can. Is it going to be permanent?
Fatsam Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.25 20:16:00 - [55] Originally by: Snaith Tiscali said yesterday............ "This hasn't died a death yet. The team that I am dealing with are still addressing this, and although this is a priority to you gamers, it doesn't affect the other million plus customer we have. This issue is going forward, and will I'm sure be resolved in due course, it just happens that their due course is not the same as the gamers. I know this will upset everybody, but at least we're not ignoring this. It is indeed good to know that Eve are trying other ports, can you let us know how that goes please. __________________ Regards Brett Technical Administrator Tiscali UK LTD " They have said before , and so have many other ISP's that they do not block ports for Eve. Are you using p2p software at the same time as Eve ? I don't use p2p software. I would guess that Tiscali perhaps don't block 26000 port directly but they do something at peak times that has gives that result. Reading Tiscali's response (cutting through the management speak and crap) basically says gamers are not significant to their business, and the problem would cost more to solve than the revenue those gamers produce. I know other Tiscali users that have had no problems with 26000; they are quite literally log on and playing whilst I and others can't get in.
Alrione Amarr Black Lagoon Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.26 01:56:00 - [56] This is made of win, thanks CCP -------------------------------- :-O Sig got nerfed. Remaking >.<
Hilly22222 Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2007.10.27 12:20:00 - [57] ok, port 3724 doesn't work, im guessing my router probably blocks it or something. damn shame
Completely Expendable	Posted - 2007.10.29 01:07:00 - [58] Hey make it a port other than an already known gaming port so i can once again play at work! I used to be able to play but a few months ago they did an update and poof, it will no longer let me connect from my work computer.
Arn Novelus	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:30:00 - [59] Quote: Hey make it a port other than an already known gaming port so i can once again play at work! I used to be able to play but a few months ago they did an update and poof, it will no longer let me connect from my work computer Seconded...my Uni network never lets me connect to eve, annoys the hell outta me, anyway to work roundthat would be excellent!
Arn Novelus	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:01:00 - [60] Scratch that...just tried it out and sailed through...CCP i now offically love you, you rule!!, eve IM BACK!!!

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