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MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:36:00 - [31] Originally by: Tarminic Edited by: Tarminic on 24/10/2007 21:34:54 Originally by: Krefken Howiere Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I wonder what I'd do if someone contracted me their stuff No one has taken me up on my offer to buy their carriers at 80% market value yes. I figured it was a good deal considering how useless carriers everywhere will be after the patch! Evemail. You have it. I guess this is a bad time to tell you that I don't actually have enough wealth to cover such a purchase, eh? EDIT: I do accept donations however. so do I! ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Krefken Howiere Mass Production	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:37:00 - [32] Originally by: Tarminic Edited by: Tarminic on 24/10/2007 21:34:54 Originally by: Krefken Howiere Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I wonder what I'd do if someone contracted me their stuff No one has taken me up on my offer to buy their carriers at 80% market value yes. I figured it was a good deal considering how useless carriers everywhere will be after the patch! Evemail. You have it. I guess this is a bad time to tell you that I don't actually have enough wealth to cover such a purchase, eh? EDIT: I do accept donations however. It happens to be a donation based evemail.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:39:00 - [33] Huh. I've been playing since August '03 quite happily through all the changes. Doesn't turn me off. Right now, for me, Eve is the best mmorpg around at the most fundamental level. Has been since its inception. It's cut-throat, it's player vs player, player with player, it functions as a terrific and beautiful chat program when I don't have time for a serious Eve session, it fuctions as a terrific strategic/economic simulator, it functions as a fun team combat game. It's everything I could want from a game...all in one game. Where will it be in 5 years? Dunno. Maybe planetary combat will be a feature. We'll be walking around in stations interacting...maybe that feature will take on a life of its own as well, with ever increasing capabilities that actually effect characters, corporations, and alliances. Certainly larger battles will be feasible, though human nature and technological limits will ensure lag is never "gone." Right now, fleet battles are limited to around, what, 400 v 400 or so simply because the node fails (long after playability is no longer a factor.) When the node can handle 1000 v 1000 and beyond, people will sure enough bring that many ships to an important battle and performance will remain essentially the same in "big" fights...but the definition of a "big" fight will change. That said, fights featuring half a dozen supercaps, a few dozen capitals, and 100 battleships on each side might be feasible and yield some terrific fraps footage. Lookin' forward to the new graphics, maybe we'll have a second overhaul in 5 years? There will be new toys of all sorts, various mechanics will be changed to a great degree...the game will improve I'm sure, if it's still around. And I'm sure I'll be here for as long as Eve is. When I look back to when the game initially launched and see how much more fun and balanced and playable the game is, it helps to put into perspective the changes that take me a couple of weeks to adapt to. Yes, I whine about it when it effects me negatively. No, I don't tend to throw a fit. The game's just too much fun for me.
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:46:00 - [34] Well I have tried to quit 3 times lol and I keep coming back. All the other MMO's are carebear cuddle fests and I miss the griefing and noob tears. It's pretty safe to say that EVE will have a strong player base until someone makes a game with the same fundamental structure with added new shiny factor.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:47:00 - [35] Originally by: MITSUK0 Well I have tried to quit 3 times lol and I keep coming back. All the other MMO's are carebear cuddle fests and I miss the griefing and noob tears. It's pretty safe to say that EVE will have a strong player base until someone makes a game with the same fundamental structure with added new shiny factor. I still can't believe this thread includes the words "wow does everything eve does but better" sigh... ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Praesus Lecti Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:50:00 - [36] At the rate ships are increasing in size and power, in 5 years there will be planetary sized ships that can instagib every ship and every station in an entire system...but the weapon will have a firing time of 24 hours. Titans will be the equivalent of today's T1 frigates. We'll also see the introduction of system harvesters, allowing you to harvest every asteroid in a system from one ship from any given location. Amarr, however, will still suck.
Theo Samaritan Gallente Pheonix Reborn	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: Luke Lor'aul Originally by: Xaen Dead. the player base isn't growing (when was the last time there was a new peak user announcement?). new player experience sucks new players are discouraged by multi-month training regimens rules keep changing that **** off veterans many parts of the game have been broken for literally years new features that few people care about most people don't even know EVE exists WoW does most things better (no, I don't play WoW, but I have. No I'm no quitting EVE anytime soon, no you cannot have my stuff.) I hope Oveur sodomizes you during the night. No, he'll probably make me do it THIS WINS THE FORUMS As for eve in 5 years? Its possible,if they keep updating the engine periodically they could have it going quite a while. ______________________________ A Request About Lag Discussion -- Yet another "Edit my sig devs!" request \o/
AlleyKat Gallente White-Noise Skunk-Works	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:58:00 - [38] It's all about the ships. The entire economy and therefore the game revolves around it. Without new ships the game will die. What happens when you've (effectively) flown the biggest and meanest ship in the game? You've saved up and skilled up to fly the ship you want to and now what? No more ships? nothing bigger, nothing better? Sure, there are options to do other stuff, play in other ways and other roles. But if you were to reduce this game down to its bare essentials, it's a spaceship game - and without new ships to play with, people will quit. Purely from a game design point of view, once people have reached the final level, they will rarely play a game again. With online games such as this, the thing which keeps people playing longer is the people they play that game with. Yes, I know EVE does not have levels, but it does have perceivable goals which people wish to reach and for the most part this means new ships to fly. Those that stay will do so because their goals are on a more personal level; they want to be the best alliance leader; they want to be the best trader; the want to be the best pirate; etc. So, in five years - I do not predict the number of subscribers will drop, it will probably go up, but the remaining players will consist of veterans and new players. It will look like an hour-glass, with great numbers of people at the top and bottom and a fraction of people going any further forward once they hit the 'ship ceiling'. It will get harder and harder to satisfy the veterans and too easy to alienate the new players, but the game will last. Who will be running the game is another question, because I do not think CCP will hold onto the game for much longer and probably sell the management of the accounts to another company while the 'stock value' is as high as it is. Why? because as much as you can love creating something, there must be a time when you want to create something else, instead of continuously trying to re-create your initial creation or perfect it - you have to put the varnish on it and sell it (new graphics engine?). Probably not this year, or even next year, but this game will eventually not be managed or supervised by the people who first designed it. Not being negative, it's just the way I see it. AK.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Krefken Howiere Originally by: Tarminic Edited by: Tarminic on 24/10/2007 21:34:54 Originally by: Krefken Howiere Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I wonder what I'd do if someone contracted me their stuff No one has taken me up on my offer to buy their carriers at 80% market value yes. I figured it was a good deal considering how useless carriers everywhere will be after the patch! Evemail. You have it. I guess this is a bad time to tell you that I don't actually have enough wealth to cover such a purchase, eh? EDIT: I do accept donations however. It happens to be a donation based evemail. In that case, Gimme about 15 minutes. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:06:00 - [40] I can't say I am sure of what the future will hold for Eve Online, but I can say with confidence that a small percentage of older "veteran" players who have invested a lot of time and skill points into a certain ship or module type will feel cheated due to game mechanic changes every single patch that is released and threaten to quit over said changes. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread

Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:10:00 - [41] tbh i given it some more thought & i think in 5years eve will be much as it is now (cept with ambulation, T3 7 other shiney things). But, when local rises over 300, it will revert to a browser based text MUD to combat lag. Thus the need for speed initiative will be proclaimed a success & all shall dance
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:12:00 - [42] Originally by: MotherMoon 4 weeks ago??? no it was last week. Power of 2. Welcome 2000 more alts, not players. Originally by: MotherMoon new players don't have to train anything to level 5 Only if they want to fly anything cool or use t2 weapons or five drones. Originally by: MotherMoon go away vets, this happens every change, you'r the old dead petal we need to cut you off, let the plant grow bigger (2 years here, I don't care) I guess I'm a vet since I've made it past the reputed average by a factor of about three. None of the changes have really bothered me until the proposed carrier ruination. Even the nos changes were fine with me. What bothers me is the lack of changes in some areas. Originally by: MotherMoon 1000 bug fixes with exnsion and new graphics engine and "new" UI (OMG finally!) 1000 bug fixes is not impressive. It means 1000 things were broken for a long time. If the current UI is any indicator they'll screw up the new one. They seem completely clueless. Originally by: MotherMoon People know eve exisit, I know about 50 people that don't want to play :P I know fourteen people that are willing to play an MMO. Six have tried EVE. None played more than a month. Nine play wow right now. Like I said, I'm still playing but I dunno for how long. If I had to start from scratch with a new character I wouldn't play anymore. None of the new ships excite me, carriers used to but they're probably going to be ruined soon. I've been tweaking HAC flying skills for weeks now for lack of a loftier goal. -- Support fixing the EVE UI
Buyerr	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:23:00 - [43] i am not sure the game will still be there at that time or if it is, it will properly not have advanced much. too many ... nvm... would be a wasted of time to write a lot of stuff about it here
Fswd	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:50:00 - [44] Originally by: Xaen Dead. the player base isn't growing (when was the last time there was a new peak user announcement?). new player experience sucks new players are discouraged by multi-month training regimens rules keep changing that **** off veterans many parts of the game have been broken for literally years new features that few people care about most people don't even know EVE exists WoW does most things better (no, I don't play WoW, but I have. No I'm no quitting EVE anytime soon, no you cannot have my stuff.) Just join scythman, who is currently dying in that fire over there --> --- Free exotic dancers for mods that mod my sig Snip Please do not discuss moderation in your signature. -Yipsilanti ([email protected]) <-- freebie for you
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:55:00 - [45] Originally by: Fswd Originally by: Xaen Dead. the player base isn't growing (when was the last time there was a new peak user announcement?). new player experience sucks new players are discouraged by multi-month training regimens rules keep changing that **** off veterans many parts of the game have been broken for literally years new features that few people care about most people don't even know EVE exists WoW does most things better (no, I don't play WoW, but I have. No I'm no quitting EVE anytime soon, no you cannot have my stuff.) You allready said in another thread you've canceled your accounts allready. you say WoW does things better. how can you say that? they put out about 200 bug fixes a month, that's horrid. and I'm sure that you would of quit if you were a pally when they like the horde have them. you have the right err, additude of a player like that, which means your what... 17? 18? Just join scythman, who is currently dying in that fire over there --> ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Fingapup	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:57:00 - [46] Skills will all have to be trained to level 10 so the skill list won't take a week to scroll... All skills will add 2.5% attribute gain per level for pretty much no real ig advantage... T2 will be the new T1... T3 will be so specialized that even fleet pilots will need to change ships three times to finish a fight... When the fleet battle lag disappears thro better servers, the ambulation lag will kick in bigtime... There will be so many ship types no-one will ever train even all of their own race cruisers... Asteroids will be invisible... minerals will be gotten by petition only... Negative Wallet will be introduced to allow for the increased enhancements to invention... Industrialists and producers will beg isk from the noobs in Jita to pay off their trillion isk credit agreements... R&D will be renamed wReckage and Destitution... Agents will no longer give LP for missions completed, but will remove isk from wallet before you start, just so you need not go through the humiliation of losing your ship... Heat will also apply to pods... and may be delivered by GMs as punishment for Jita-spam and similar offences... CCP will take over the 'Isk for Dollars' trade... IG Isk will eventually be replaced for real currency... High Sec will only be safe in a BS as the gankers take advantage of the terminally slow implementation of Concord upgrades and 1.0 security... Low sec will however be the safe place to hang out where you can still be sure your 400mil cargo doesn't get blown to bits by someone exploiting the fact that losing a HAC to Concord is a small price to pay for the joy of hearing some poor broke git scream... Exploration will include not being able to get back... One enterprising Archaeologist will discover a CNR piloted by a Beta Pilot who 'thought he'd give scanning a try' back in good old 07... A lvl 10 Hacker will be required to extricate his pod from his ship... which will then be auctioned as a treasured antique and later blown apart in the Eve Alliance Gankfest... er Tournament... 2017... EW will be phased out by Psych Warfare... which due to the lack of any real Mindlink thro which to operate, will be delivered via cruel and unusual smacktalk techniques in Local... Local incidentally having been nerfed and then replaced due to vast protest threads from masquerading Jita Traders pretending they had friends... All character names will consist of unrelated numbers and letters and will be issued with macros in stead of the tutorial... gameplay will be optional... ...I shall have tens of nubile female servants who shall peel me grapes and feed me on ambrosia and wine... oh... ah.. sry, wrong thread...
Atama Cardel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.25 04:43:00 - [47] Originally by: Scythman wow Occara you are 7 months old wow your experience is so impressive. lol, get out of a ibis then you can talk. I've been playing for near 2 years, so am I allowed to say that you're ******? Originally by:** Odda hey im a gonnie and i like to sue CCP to gett the game to my favor
Keithos Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.25 05:07:00 - [48] Originally by: Xaen Dead. the player base isn't growing (when was the last time there was a new peak user announcement?). new player experience sucks new players are discouraged by multi-month training regimens rules keep changing that **** off veterans many parts of the game have been broken for literally years new features that few people care about most people don't even know EVE exists WoW does most things better (no, I don't play WoW, but I have. No I'm no quitting EVE anytime soon, no you cannot have my stuff.) rofl, as a veteran of WoW (I played from beta till about 4 months ago) I can say that you really don't know what the hell you're talking about. You think CCP does a bad job balancing? Go play WoW, seriously go play it; and try and put up with your skills and talents going from sucking to overpowered to sucking to finally getting balanced right. It took blizzard 2 freaken years to finally make the warlock class a damage over time class and doing so without over or under powering them instead of being shadow mages. When I left WoW hunters still had massive probelms especially with pets and being able to find raiding spots and the entire expanision was effectively the original with better graphics. At least in Eve I don't have to spend 15+ hours a week raiding (which is probably the most mind numbing experience in gaming, and yes I've raided the upper tier of dungeons in WoW). Add to that the fact that I swear the average age of people on blizzard's forums is 10, you think the whining is bad here? You should see bliz's forums, it's almost impossible to actually have a converstaion without stupid comments, half of the time some of the classes have no moderator for their forum and when they do you rarely see them posting (unless you break the rules or insult them). I could go on but I think my point is made.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.10.25 05:11:00 - [49] Originally by: Scythman eve will be dead, who want to play a game where the rules change every month, hell most of my 80 man corp dont play no more, only newbies play now out of ignorance. old players like my corp have seen ccp change the rules so many times whats the point. Can I have your stuff?
CelticKnight Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.10.25 05:30:00 - [50] In the last 5 years computers have gone from 1 core @ 1Ghz to 4 cores @ 5 GHZ. next year 8 cores @ 5Ghz. 5 years? will we see practical quantum servers? 1000v1000s will be lag free! :) This game progresses, not by the changes (i happen to love the new changes! and im an older player, but a sensible one!) but by the amount of power the game can shove around. I look forward to seeing where we go from here on out :P

Jenna Shame	Posted - 2007.10.25 05:33:00 - [51] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Jenna Shame Without major changes to the dev team philosophy I'll be amazed if eve is still here in 5 years. please understand, the idea is to ** off older players to make more people want to play. they know what they are doing. If you think ing off long time players is a good business stratigy for long term success, I got news for you. The problem with noobs is very shortly they become vets. Sooner or later, most likely sooner, new MMPOGs come along and old eve won't be nearly as appealing to new noobs, and the **ed off vets are gone. Really I do think they know what they are doing, they are going to milk this for what they can, regardless of how it affects their players or the quality of the game in the long run.
Tonkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.25 05:56:00 - [52] eve will introduce planatery warfare, like battling on the surface with tanks and stuff, like battlefield. or a rookie ship will be the best damage dealer in the game, due to everything else being neuted due to haulers being popped
Doornroosje	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:05:00 - [53] Very easy, eve will be dead. For me next patch is one too far. I will cancel my account (no, you don't get my stuff). CCP has gone the wrong way lately. Every time nerfing things. The game is no fun anymore, everytime you trained up for something, it gets nerfed. A lot of other MMORPG's have gone down the same road, and atm, eve is hi-speeding the same way too. People won't stay happy with the constant lag, desync etc, how shiny the new ships might be (they will get nerfed to a shuttle anyways).
ghost tr	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:12:00 - [54] Hopefully by then people will want to create amarr scharacter, not just select them by mistake. I really hope CCP gets everything balanced, one of the major problems i see is that CCP is always releaseing new stuff, And the have to keep balancing, and rebalancing things. People will always find ways to use things in ways unintended and CCP will keep 'nerfing' things so that they fill thier intended role.
Janus Veyron Novus Universitas Dread Sovereign	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:59:00 - [55] For those people saying EvE will be dead. You know UO is 10 years old now right? And that NEVER had the sub numbers eve does.
Plib	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:01:00 - [56] Originally by: Scythman eve will be dead, who want to play a game where the rules change every month, hell most of my 80 man corp dont play no more, only newbies play now out of ignorance. old players like my corp have seen ccp change the rules so many times whats the point. The rules have been changing constantly over the last four years. People have whined about it. Some left, most had the ability to adapt. The result has been a steadily improving game. The only thing that's got worse has been the attitude on the forums but if the changes to the carrier are successful that might improve when the hoards of angry whiners leave.
Plib	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:04:00 - [57] Originally by: Xaen Dead. the player base isn't growing (when was the last time there was a new peak user announcement?). No announcement but we broke the record last week. Quote: new player experience sucks No it doesn't. I had a quick run through of the tutorial and it's way better than it ever was. Quote: new players are discouraged by multi-month training regimens No they aren't..or at least no more than ever. The ones that can't handle it are playing the wrong game anyway. Quote: rules keep changing that ** off veterans I'm a veteran (over 3.5 years now) and I enjoy change. It's what keeps the game interesting. Quote: many parts of the game have been broken for literally years Only a few. Most of the game works very well. Quote: new features that few people care about most people don't even know EVE exists Now you're just being silly. Quote:** WoW does most things better (no, I don't play WoW, but I have. No I'm no quitting EVE anytime soon, no you cannot have my stuff.) Ah..you're a carrier pilot.
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:10:00 - [58] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Sinder Ohm Well if CCP dont listen to thier playerbase I doubt it will be around that long, but I really like this game so I hope that doesnt happend. If you had asked me this question 1 year ago I would have given you a more pasative answer. Your stuff. Delivered to me. it's not fair I want someone stuff :( life would be easy in eve if I could buy like 7 logtisics ships, I love using them in PvP but ...well... you know :P I know you guys can fight over my stuff send fraps
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:24:00 - [59] What is funny with that carrier "nerf" is that it's actually because they listened to the major part of their custumer base that they think about changing it, and because (from the dev blog) the way you're using the carrier now doesn't correspond to how they want you to use them. Players don't want cap ship online, don't want carrier fleets. Without a nerf of some kind, in 10 years eve will be Cap ship online. Therefore, since they probably will do that nerf or another one that will be just as hard, in 5-10 years we may hope for : - huge battles with fleets comprising of different elements (from frigates to carriers and titans), - cap ships in a support role with a way better tank than now, and increased support ability on the front lines, - small ships capable of fast and deadly combat, - real use for cloaking even in a fight, - less lagfest, - t4 ships (yeah, t3 is for next year or so...), - some change on tank that make it worthwhile to use either shield or armor tank in PvP, And until this time, can I have your stuff ? I'd sure like a carrier, even if I can't use it yet. -- Siggie ! Come back here ! -- Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: MotherMoon well a drone UI is a bit of an artist job Drone AI is obviously done by an artist too. One that is heavily into abstract
Umit Davala Corpus PCG The State	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:45:00 - [60] 5 - 10 years time? I might have actually made some ISK and kept it!



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